Rounds 2 and 3 . . . Everybody Happy?

Today’s festivities start at 3:30 pacific time.

To synopsize yesterday, no one is very happy thast Trent Baalke and the 49ers picked what is basically a 3rd down nickel DB in Jimmy Ward. It may not be terribly horrible if he’s on the field 75% of the time, as teams like the Rams will be throwing a lot, but I can’t see him taking down, say, Marshawn Lynch in the open field without being removed from the field with a spatula. Yes, there are a lot of teams that throw in the league, but there are also teams like Seattle who wear down teams by grinding games out. I don’t see Ward being a factor in the immediate, or even long-term future.

Let’s just say I agree to disagree at this point. But I ain’t too thrilled with Baalke right now.

And to summarize the draft today, the Niners hold the following picks:

2nd round – 24 – (56th overall – from KC)
2nd round – 29 – (61st overall)
3rd round – 13 – (77 overall – from the Tits)
3rd round – 30 – (94 overall – from the Tits)
3rd round – 36 – (100 overall – compensatory for Dashon Goldson) 

Round 2

Pick (overall)
1 (33). Houston Texans
2 (34). Washington Redskins
3 (35). Cleveland Browns
4 (36). Oakland Raiders
5 (37). Atlanta Falcons
6 (38). Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 (39). Jacksonville Jaguars
8 (40). Minnesota Vikings
9 (41). Buffalo Bills
10 (42). Tennessee Titans
11 (43). New York Giants
12 (44). St. Louis Rams
13 (45). Detroit Lions
14 (46). Pittsburgh Steelers
15 (47). Dallas Cowboys
16 (48). Baltimore Ravens
17 (49). New York Jets
18 (50). Miami Dolphins
19 (51). Chicago Bears
20 (52). Arizona Cardinals
21 (53). Green Bay Packers
22 (54). Philadelphia Eagles
23 (55). Cincinnati Bengals
24 (56). San Francisco 49ers (from Kansas City Chiefs)
25 (57). San Diego Chargers
26 (58). New Orleans Saints
27 (59). Indianapolis Colts
28 (60). Carolina Panthers
29 (61). San Francisco 49ers
30 (62). New England Patriots
31 (63). Denver Broncos
32 (64). Seattle Seahawks

Round 3

Pick (overall)
1 (65). Houston Texans
2 (66). Washington Redskins
3 (67). Oakland Raiders
4 (68). Atlanta Falcons
5 (69). Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 (70). Jacksonville Jaguars
7 (71). Cleveland Browns
8 (72). Minnesota Vikings
9 (73). Buffalo Bills
10 (74). New York Giants
11 (75). St. Louis Rams
12 (76). Detroit Lions
13 (77). San Francisco 49ers (from Tennessee Titans)
14 (78). Dallas Cowboys
15 (79). Baltimore Ravens
16 (80). New York Jets
17 (81). Miami Dolphins
18 (82). Chicago Bears
19 (83). Cleveland Browns (from Pittsburgh Steelers)
20 (84). Arizona Cardinals
21 (85). Green Bay Packers
22 (86). Philadelphia Eagles
23 (87). Kansas City Chiefs
24 (88). Cincinnati Bengals
25 (89). San Diego Chargers
26 (90). Indianapolis Colts
27 (91). New Orleans Saints
28 (92). Carolina Panthers
29 (93). New England Patriots
30 (94). San Francisco 49ers
31 (95). Denver Broncos
32 (96). Minnesota Vikings (from Seattle Seahawks)
33 (97). Pittsburgh Steelers (compensatory selection)
34 (98). Green Bay Packers (compensatory selection)
35 (99). Baltimore Ravens (compensatory selection)
36 (100). San Francisco 49ers (compensatory selection)

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119 Responses to Rounds 2 and 3 . . . Everybody Happy?

  1. Chuck, you have the unmitigated gall and audacity to ask if 49er fans are happy with that pick? The answer to that question, the answer the entire NFL replied when we selected Jimmie Ward..

  2. unca_chuck says:

    Call me perplexed and underwhelmed. We just drafted for the same position we traded up for last year. Free Safety. Jimmy Ward is too small for Strong Safety, and Reid is our Free Safety. Antoine Bethea is getting up there, but he’s a Strong Safety. Do we plan on converting this guy to a CB?

    Manziel is just begging to be a major overrated flop. One can hope. I don;t think his game translates as well as a guy like Bortles does. They got Gilbert though. With Joe Haden, they should be pretty good defensively.

    Ahhh fuck. I don;t know. With Tuitt on the board, and even Roby or Nix, I think they could really have done better than this curious at best pick.

    Why does this guy generate so much buzz? He;s pretty much a hype machine. The anti-Tim Tebow.

    • Why all the Johnny Football hate from you and many others? Does Johnny love the spotlight and take advantage all of the attention? Of course. Who wouldn’t? Johnny just plays it up to the hilt.

      Did you watch Johnny play at A&M? Johnny Football perfected magic before Houdini. Reminds me of the 1953 movie named in his honor. Wasn’t the best biography by a long shot, but I love me some Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh.

      Abracadabra and Hocus Pocus, here’s Johnny…

  3. unca_chuck says:

    I mean if you are going safety, trade up for Pryor. This smells like another envelope pick where they had this guy in their spot regardless of who was available.

    And Mayock blows another load.

    I guess we’ll get to see what the hell is going on, but this one is baffling to say the least.

  4. Nipper says:

    What a pick! Our new Corner! Yes!

  5. Spitblood says:

    Baffling? Trent Baalke sucks. Someone explain these measurables to me…. anyone, please. 5′ 10″, 193 pounds and he runs a 4.45? He’s not fast. He’s small. And he’s from a small school?

    Whiskey. Tango. MOTHER FUCKIN’ Foxtrot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Spitblood says:

      And I watched his tape. He’s nothing special. Nothing jumped out at me. This kid is a third round draft choice. He’s a third rounder. AJ Jenkins was a second rounder. How’d he turn out? Trent Baalke sucks. Fuck Trent Baalke.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    They have to be thinking about moving this guy to corner. Other than that I got nothing.

    Baalke certainly has his own way of doing this shit. Can’t wait to see what happens tomorrow.

    Or can I? Sheist. Baalke is pretty much all or nothing.

  7. Chuck, are you putting Johnny Football and Tebow in the same category? Replay the Nelson response. OK. No one knows the QB draft outcomes. But we do know that most of the 1st rounders are a big swing and a……………………miss?

    I’m banking and betting on that Johnny Football makes better contact then Bortels and Bridewater.

    The Dog Pound already loves ’em… Johnny Football is a Home Run.

  8. 12th man says:

    Maiocco suggests Ward could be the nickel back playing the slot if he wins the spot in TC.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    Yup. Romo and Johnny Footfetish. All hat, no cattle.

    The factory of sadness just got a new foreman.

    Like I said, Ward ain’t here as a safety. He’s barely a tweener. Slot corner?

    I don’t fucking know,

  10. unca_chuck says:

    Come on Giants. Gimme one here.

    • unca_chuck says:


      And yes, Dennis. I don;t think Johnny Footfreak does very well. Cleveland? They always look good on paper. Then they take the field.

      Hey, they could be this year’s Chiefs. but I don;t think so.

  11. Spitblood says:

    Fuck Trent Baalke. A 5 foot 10 inch safety who weighs 193 pounds and played on a division IV team? Maybe division VI. That kid may be serviceable, but a starter? Defending Jimmy Graham up high? Tackling Vernon Davis? Tipping the ball away from Crabtree in the endzone because he’s tall enough to do so? No. fuckin’. chance. This is horrid pick. Worst pick I’ve seen since…. since…. the Terry Donahue years. Fuck Trent Baalke. Tomorrow he better draft Reggie White, Larry Allen and Joe Montana. He’s dug himself, and this team, a huge hole we now need to climb out of to make this draft a successful one. And didn’t the NFL move the draft back to give GMs more time? How’d that work out for ya, Jed York?

  12. That’s why I as much as I love Berger to death and try to tell him that his ousting of Roman won’t change a goddamn thing. You wanna change the play calling on this offense? We have to expel the Head Honcho, Top Dog, Big Cheese and the biggest goddamn problem that confronts this offense…

    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh yet?

    • Spitblood says:

      Del – Do you know who Seattle drafted in 2012? Bruce Irvin, starting linebacker Bobby Wagner, Russel Wilson and Robert Turbin. How much did those guys contribute to the 2013 Super Bowl? How much did they help Pete Carrol get a ring? A lot.

      Now compare that to what Baalke handed Jim Harbaugh to work with in 2012. Actually, handed isn’t the right word. Handcuffed is more like it. And you blame Jim Harbaugh? The answer is right in front of your face, Del. Jimmy Ward? And you blame Harbaugh? You aren’t paying attention. When Seattle was going out and getting Irvin, Wagner, Russel Wilson and Robert Turbin, Trent Baalke was drafting AJ Jenkins, LaMicheal James, Joe Looney, Darius Flemming and Trenton Robinson. There’s your problem. It’s staring you right in the face.

      It’s hard for Harbaugh to win when one GM is putting bullets in Pete Carrol’s gun while Trent Baalke is putting blanks in Harbaugh’s.

      Jimmy Fuckn’ Ward? What the fuck?

  13. It’s a quarter to three…

  14. I know you people hate to hear this again, but as I look to my left I have a gold-plated limited edition Frank Sinatra ‘New York, New York” 45 album hanging on my wall. The intrinsic value of that 45 matters not. But hearing that song reminds me of Mom.

    Happy early Mothers Day Mom. This song is for you…

  15. Shhh. It’s 6:30 in the morning on a who gives a shit Friday.

    Survey says…Bring back Richard Dawson.
    Love me some Hogan’s Hero’s.

  16. Spitblood says:

    Trent Baalke sucks. Jim Harbaugh is not the problem.

  17. Spitblood says:

    Last night Trent Baalke was exposed as a bad talent elevator and GM. Period.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    This certainly raises the spectre of the AJ Jenkins envelope draft, as this guy was rated as a low 2 and we get him in the 1st round? My hope is now we get SJ Baptiste to salvage the defensive backfield.

    Fucking Ward will be a 3rd down nickel corner at best. Or a flat bust. HJow will he see the field as a safety?

  19. unca_chuck says:

    Culliver and Brock are OK, but I can’t see us standing pat in the defensive backfield.

  20. Nipper says:

    The Giants won a game! No one knew!

  21. unca_chuck says:

    Frank Sinatra? Overrated hack. A glorified lounge singer who got lucky. Bobby Darin was much better than ol’ red eyes . . .

    Moving on, They need a big corner to compensate for that 1st pick.

    • Nice try. You’re not getting a rise outta me today on that one. I’m hungover like a sumbitch. But I won’t, won’t let that get me down. ‘Cause this fine ole world…. keeps spinin’ round. I’v\e been a puppet, a pauper, a poet, a pawn and king. I’ve been up and down and over and out I know one thing…

      I need another drink. Happy Friday Draft.

  22. Spitblood says:

    I’m not a fan of Trent Baalke anymore. Last night severed the cord. Baalke and I are no longer buddies. He’s gonna feel my wrath every marginal decision he makes. He will no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me.

  23. Spitblood says:

    2012 Draft:
    AJ Jenkins
    Trenton Robinson

    Bruce Irvin
    Bobby Carpenter
    Russel Wilson
    Robert Turbin

    This draft alone is exactly why the Seahawks won the Super Bowl and the 49ers didn’t. Jim Harbaugh is not the problem. Trent Baalke is the fraud.

  24. unca_chuck says:

    Long way to go there, Spitty. We’ll see what happens tonight. If you start whining like Dennis, I may have to shut this bitch down.

    I ain’t thrilled with the pick either but they have 9 more picks to make.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    Meanwhile, back in the courtroom . . .

    Culliver is facing a civil lawsuit for the infamous hit-and-run of a bicyclist and a car/brass knuckles incident. Throw in the racial slurs, and the fact Cully threatened to beat up the SUV driver and his 15 year old son, and you have the makings of a big fat payout for Cully.

    Which is why we NEED to draft a cornerback. Cully stands to be cut loose from the team.

    I seriously don;t think they drafted Ward to be Cully’s replacement. Strong safety to CB? Maybe these 2 guys swap positions if Cully somehow avoids the axe/ suspension.

    • 12th man says:

      Cully will be a very good CB if he can keep his shit together. Brock is decent also but neither guy intimidates a QB and that is what the Niners really needed IMO. Ward is a part time contributor at best this season. I feel like the Niners haven’t put

  26. Is this the time of day again when Chuck says we’ll go more 3-wide WR?
    Because Harbaugh said so.

  27. unca_chuck says:

    And in more footbsall news, the Niners just acquired Stevie Johnson, yet another overhyped guy, from Buffalo for a conditional 2015 4th round pick. Certainly cheap.

    Is Lloyd already gone?

  28. We just traded a mid-rd pick for Stevie Johnson from the Bills.
    Chuck hates that guy. I love ’em.
    Good trade Baalke.

  29. Irish Kevin says:

    Well, I am sure everyone here is certified pro NFL GM. so the pick is definitely a bad one.

  30. Irish Kevin says:

    Now as far Mr. Sinatra goes, well, most of my grandparents generations and my moms generation will tell you that the Character in Mario Puzo’s “The Godfather”. Johnnie, well his part in the book mimiced Frank life very closely. Yes Dennis, Frank was a Mook!!

  31. Baalke, you can’t draft a WR worth your salt. Nor should you even bother.
    But trade for one with a history of on and off the field problems?
    Now we’re talking. Go Stevie. Go Stevie. Go Stevie…

    • Alleykat says:

      Atleast it wasn’t Stevie Wonder Denny!
      Though maybe we could use him to protect Kappy’s blind side!!

  32. Nipper says:

    Baalke for Mayor! Spitfire will be his campaign manager.

  33. Spitblood says:

    I love the Stevie Johnson trade! Love it. Leverage behind Crabtree. Looks like Kaep isn’t getting his raise….. That was an expensive trip to Florida.

  34. This just in: None of this draft matters. Jim Harbaugh is, and shall remain, the biggest losing HC of all time.

    Did we fire Bo Schembechler Jr. yet?

  35. Spit, everything else being equal.. you want Jimbo and Kap or would you rather take Chip Kelly and Nick Foles? That’s what I thought.

    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh yet?

    • Spitblood says:

      Are you kidding? I’d much rather have Kaep and Harbaugh. I’d rather have Kaep and Harbaugh over any other HC / QB combo in the league. And you know I’m not a homer, playing the party line. I’d rather have Kaep and Harbaugh over the combo in Green Bay, New England, Denver and Seattle. I’d rather have ’em over New Orleans also. They’re the best and the brightest. All we need now is a GM who can draft. Baalke sure can’t.

      • Jimbo and Kap are your top two selections?I have no retort. I can’t even muster the necessary, and corrective response. But I can say this…

        Good luck with that shit.

      • Spitblood says:

        Thanks. Good luck with Kelly and Foles. You keep confusing fantasy with the real world. And that’s how you develop a love for Tony Romo….

  36. I still laugh and marvel at all the talk. Fill in the blanks…

  37. unca_chuck says:

    Oh fuck off, Dennis. All you want is a shiity team so you can whine about it incessantly. Peyton Manning is a loser, Frank Sinatra was a child molester, and you are a fool. You couldn’t even find joy in the Giants winning the World Series. TWICE!

    I’m sorry your life sucks, but don’t take it out on us here.

  38. And my biggest “Thank you” would occur right after our Niners shit-canned that worthless POS Bo. Schembechler Jr.

    Merry Christmas

  39. Spit, you have the “Magic Wand.” You can fire only one…

    A) Baalke
    B) Harbaugh
    C) Roman

    There’s only one correct answer, (B)
    Any other submissions will not be considered. That’s my prerogative.

  40. Irish Kevin says:

    Dennis, Dennis, in rare form I see. lets change the subject, how are the ponies treating you Dennis? winning any trifecta’s?

  41. The NFL is giving Josh Gordon a 1 yr suspension.
    Aldon Smith: Do not pass Go. Go directly to jail.

  42. This tweet from Schefter: Still no RBs picked at No. 38 – the latest the draft ever has gone without at least one RB being taken.

    In other words like I’ve been saying for years…Throw the goddamn ball!

  43. Baalke on Jimmie Ward,”He’s a bright-eyed-guy with a great smile.”
    That’s terrific. We just drafted the poster child for Colgate.

  44. We just traded BACK from 56. Nah. No immediate help needed here.
    Let’s draft for the future and stockpile some more picks for later.
    It’s not like we’re on the cusp of winning a SB or anything.

    Did we fire Jim Harbaugh, Trent Baalke and/or Jed York yet?

  45. And as Spit rejoices, Frank Gore is shown the door.

  46. snarkk says:

    Yep, Hyde looks like the Gore replacement. Ranked as one of the best RBs in the draft. Looks like the real deal…

  47. NoFear49er says:

    It won’t matter much if he can’t pick up the complex protections by pre-season 3 he’ll be James II.

  48. Flavor says:

    I’ve always liked Spit’s analysis of the draft, always thought he had depth in his perspective. He takes a stand, for sure. It’s the shadow of himself that dwarfs his best stuff…..
    Everyone likes Oakland’s first 2 picks but it’s Oakland so that nullifies it, right?
    Blogs, especially during a draft, are the most epic time for dipshits to talk about all the stuff they *know*. It’s their time to shine.
    Some bloggers I respect, especially the guys who’s actually watched these dudes play– the guys that regurgitate the combine results are worthless, in my opinion…
    But the bloggers I simply ignore are the ones who use the draft to further their own fake internet persona. Wail and cry and spew the same venomous bullshit. Same mantra. Same message. Same, intact, fake-o internet image.
    Anyway Spit. I just wanted to give you a shout out, you probably don’t give a shit.

  49. And you people wonder why we remain Seattle’s bitches.
    But we have a brand new shiny stadium.
    Speak up, Faithful. Can’t hear ya with all that noise.

    Noise? I’ll give ya some noise. Marcus Martin from USC is now a Niner.
    It took three pks to figure this shit out. But I LOVE the Martin pk.

  50. unca_chuck says:

    I seriously don’t get passing on Baptiste. For a running back. LMJ’s gone, but what of Gore and Lattimore? And Hunter for God’s sake. Are they banking on all of them being old/injured/out?

  51. unca_chuck says:

    Martin looks good. I can get behind that one.

  52. unca_chuck says:

    For a draft with a lot of good players we sure are trading around a lot. For no apparent reaon, I might add.

  53. unca_chuck says:

    A red-shirt Guard. Alllrightie then. Why not?

    Anyone think they go Logan Thomas with their 6th pick in the 4th round?

    So, we take no WRs and no CBs. Certainly not like I thought it would go.

  54. snarkk says:

    Marcus Martin for center to replace Goodwin. He’s ranked #1 center in the draft, might even be a guard replacement for Iupati if they don’t want to pay him. I like it. Baalke is stockpiling the OL to reload. They’re loaded now at RB and OL, looks like no WRs will be drafted with the trade getting Stevie Johnson…

  55. unca_chuck says:

    Shit, they need a PR/KR at least.

  56. 12th man says:

    Quality players today. Strange positions maybe but good players all the same. That RB field is getting mighty crowded.

  57. Spitblood says:

    I watched the Jimmy Ward interviews and the kid has heart and he’s a competitor. You can tell these things from interviews. However, he doesn’t have the frame to be a first round draft choice. Baalke again reached in the first. Baalke isn’t good drafting early on. AJ Jenkins, LMJ and now Ward? All bad early picks. You can’t waste those early picks and expect to remain competitive. To draft effectively in the early rounds, you need bigger bodies. Ward will get beat up high like Whitner. He’ll have his body in the right position. He’ll make plays. He’ll be a hitter. But he’ll also be a liability in pass coverage against bigger players like Jimmy Graham, Gronk or even Zack Miller. When it’s a “go to” moment, teams will throw at Ward. And they’ll win. This isn’t small school college ball anymore. He’ll probably also (despite not missing many games in college) have injury issues in the pros because of his size. He looks like a great kid, and he can play, but he’s not a first round pick. Baalke got radar lock on a defensive back when he should have gone in a different direction – maybe a DT. Baalke should have either traded up or gone in a different direction at 30. And that’s not hindsight. I was saying Baalke should trade up pre draft.

    In the second round, I don’t mind the 49ers continuing to trade back to acquire more picks because it allows the 49ers flexibility and fluidity in each draft. Nothing worse than sitting on the sidelines…. and for some teams, they have to sit on the sidelines for years due to bad trades (like the Raiders and the Carson Palmer trade). But I think at some point instead of constantly trading back, you need to trade up and acquire your need. This was the year Baalke needed to do that. Maybe he got anxious or nervous because what needed to be done was a duplicate of the year prior? (trading up for Reid). Our secondary is clearly the weak link on our team. We had the picks to trade up and grab Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Pryor or Fuller. That was the move. Instead Baalke got stuck. It happened with the 49ers awhile ago with RW McQuarters. Good GMs don’t let that happen. Right now, the 49ers’ weakest link is our secondary and there isn’t much help available anywhere. There will be no trading for a DB. Free agency is done. And now we’re on day 3 of the draft and our secondary is thin and small. That is entirely Trent Baalke’s fault. Thank god Del has undoubtedly passed out by now because I don’t want to get into a Baalke / Harbaugh war. Trent Baalke is becoming a liability.

    Regarding Carlos Hyde over my boy, Stan Jean Baptiste, I love it – ironically. I like Carlos Hyde even more than my pre draft boy, Devanta Freeman. I can’t believe I overlooked Hyde. Maybe when I was doing my pre-draft research I concluded a running back in the second round (where he was projected) was too high and then I simply overlooked Carlos. But I love the kid. Carlos Hyde is double tough, passionate about the game, and he’s also fast. Maybe Frank Gore’s 6 milion will go towards Johnson’s newly acquired contract because Frank Gore just got a lot older. And what did I tell you guys? What did I write? I told you we needed a new bell cow running back because Gore was done and Lattimore can’t be relied upon. I also told you a young, stud running back would set-up the play action and make Kaep’s passing attack that much better. Clearly Baalke was thinking along these lines as well. Would I have drafted Hyde over my boy Stan Jean Baptiste? Hell yes. But I say that with one caveat…. I would have moved up to grab Fuller, Pryor or Ha Ha. Either way, Carlos Hyde was a great pick. He was a necessary pick. For those crying about a rookie running back not being able to pass block…. you don’t avoid drafting for “fear” a player can’t do something. Rathman now needs to teach Carlos how to pass block.

    The addition of Carlos Hyde alone will do more for this football team than any other position. Why? One running back in the backfield who can bounce it outside, catch the ball out of the backfield and run between the tackles is a treat the 49ers haven’t had in their backfield in years. Certainly not all in one running back in the Harbaugh era. So with Carlos in the backfield, play action just got a whole hell of a lot more effective. Who’s the linebacker gonna take? Vernon or key on Carlos? And how many times has Frank Gore busted through the line and gotten taken down from behind? They won’t catch Carlos from behind. The addition of Carlos is going to allow the 49ers to score much more frequently both on the ground and in the air. And when the 49ers can score a ton, it makes it easier on their defense because opposing offenses are pressured to answer or keep up. In some cases, down by two or three touchdowns, our defense will benefit from the opposition’s offense becoming one dimensional.

    There is no better pick in the entire draft for this team …. the 49ers, than the Carlos Hyde pick. You’ll see.

    For as much as I love the Hyde pick, I can’t stand the pick of Chris Borland. What an absolute waste of a third round pick. I can see the position’s necessary, even if I argued against going this way pre draft, but I don’t like the player. Here’s who Borland is in my eyes – he’s a special teamer and life time ILB backup. That’s not a third round value. You can get that guy in the later rounds. You can find that guy in the 6th or 7th round. The best part about Borland is he’s a cracker. That’s his nickname…. “The Cracker.” There’s a scene in Ocean’s Eleven where Bernie Mack calls Matt Damon a cracker. That’s what I immediately thought of when I saw Borland’s tape on Youtube. Again…. like Ward, Borland has heart, but small with heart is a movie (Rudy) but it’s not what championships are all about.

    The other two offensive linemen drafted are studs. Brandon Thomas is a OT, and by the looks of things a good one. I know he played OG but I think the 49ers are thinking OT in a pinch, if necessary. He’s got great feet. And I could definitely see Martin beating out drunk in public Kilgore. Unca Chuck pointed out it’s curious the 49ers went running back instead of Stanley Jean Baptiste, but I say it’s curious the 49ers picked two interior lineman over the addition of more secondary players. The one bright side? With Carlos Hyde, if he can stay healthy, the 49ers are going to score a ton of points in 2014. The secondary will be able to set back and play a lot of center field.

    If the 49ers get a run game going that can take it to the house on any play, the 49ers will be the best team in the NFL in 2014 regardless if the back-end leaks like a sieve.

    The addition of Johnson to me just means Brandon Lloyd can go back to acting… thank god.

    And one more thing…. no way Josh Gordon gets banned an entire year. That’ll get reduced down to 8-10 games. Why? Because the league is all too aware of how Gordon effects Aldon and the 49ers. If he’s paying attention, Jed won’t let Goodell ban Gordon for an entire year. Jed should make the case that banning that Packer bag of donuts John Jolley? for his addiction to cough syrup (whatever) was a mistake and could have resulted in a tragedy for the Jolley family (even if Jed doesn’t believe this). What Jed would really be saying is, “Don’t you want to see Aldon Smith in the playoffs?” And yes, Jed. Yes I do….

  58. unca_chuck says:

    Brevity is heart of valor, skippy.

    Like the Duke Elliington pick. We have our return guy.

    • snarkk says:

      Ellington is a small burner WR and return guy. Doesn’t look to play much as a WR. Hopefully he doesn’t fumble balls like KW…

  59. 12th man says:

    2 CB today

    • snarkk says:

      Sheezus, Niners have picked 4 DBs from 10 picks so far. Looks like Fangio cried FIRE and Baalke listened. Fangio should have fun working all these guys out against each other. At least one of four ought to be a keeper…

      • Spitblood says:

        Best line from the Jimmy Ward interview…. “Got to meet coach Fangio…. and his poker face.” Ward could be an interview favorite real soon.

  60. Spitblood says:

    I give Trent Baalke an F for this draft. Baalke just threw cornerbacks at the wall, hoping a few stick. He also didn’t address the eventual replacement of Justin Smith. I read that over the last three years, rushing yards against the 49ers have increased each year, but we didn’t address our run defense. Maybe Baalke loves Dial and Tank, but with this many picks, we needed to bring in more competition for guys like Dorsey, Dobbs and Ian Williams. That’s the direction Baalke should have gone in the first round instead of getting radar lock / tunnel vision on a DB.

    The only two defensive guys in the front seven Baalke drafted to help with the run…. suck. Chris “the Cracker” Borland and Aaron Lynch? That’s our answer for a slowly declining run defense? Aaron Lynch has so much heart he left a power house college football program with passionate fans for the empty stadium of Southern Florida? Really? You transfer out of Notre Dame for Southern Florida? Was Incognito texting you? Lynch, did though, look like a beast when he played at South Bend. Florida? Not so much.

    Regarding the DBs drafted, I like Acker and Reaser. One, if not both will stick. I hate the pick of Dontae Johnson. Acker and Reaser are both small school guys, and both small in stature…. like Jimmy Ward, and I hate small corners, but I prefer Acker, Reaser and Ward to Dontae Johnson (who’s 6’2″). Just from the little I was able to watch on Dontae Johnson on Youtube, he’s not good and won’t be. He’s stiff. DJ has terrible hip roll. He doesn’t have good instincts, and he looked lost at the combine. A defensive back has to be sure of himself. That’s what I liked about Terrell Brown. He had confidence. I don’t think Dontae Johnson will ever have confidence. I don’t think he’ll make the team. If you go with a taller corner as a project, he has to have confidence, and you need to be able to evaluate that confidence.

    Three other things I read that I agree with. First off, the 49ers are going to need to stash a bunch of guys on the PUP because they don’t have the roster spots for all of these players. Anticipate a number of pre season injuries beating the NFL system. We always do it, but we don’t get much out of it. Has any PUP’d player ever gone on to start for the 49ers during the Harbaugh era? Not that I can remember.

    I also read that Baalke must not have liked the first round talent at CB. Horsecookies. I think it’s more like Baalke couldn’t find a deal to move up into the middle of the first round. Trading Chris Borland, Sammy Ward, Dontae Johnson and Aaron Lynch for first round DB Kyle Fuller or Pryor would have been viewed as too big of a price to pay, and politics do play a part in GM decisions. But I would have traded a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th round pick for Pryor…. especially now that I see how Baalke drafted with those picks. It wasn’t that Baalke didn’t like those first round corners. It was that Baalke couldn’t stomach paying as much as those “other” teams were asking. That was a mistake. Baalke had the picks. A lot of these guys aren’t going to make the team. A lot of these guys will be wasted picks like Darius Fleming, Trenton Robinson, Jason Slowey and Marcus Cooper.

    So in this draft Baalke replaced Frank Gore with Carlos Hyde and Baalke fortified our O line with talented mid round picks. Baalke also didn’t have the stones to move up, but opted instead for a “throw shit at the wall approach,” and see what DB sticks. In addition, Baalke didn’t address our sagging run defense. But our passing attack improved with Stevie Johnson and Bruce Ellington (although Ellington better learn to run routes with a quickness if he wants to be more than just a return guy).

    With that being said here’s another observation. Today begins the 49ers shift from a defense powerhouse to an offensive one. The 49ers are now stacked on offense in every way. Their defense is now the weak link. The pendulum has shifted.

    I just don’t think Trent Baalke is a good GM. At least he isn’t on draft day. I’d trade Trent Baalke for Reggie McKenzie straight up any day of the week. In this weekend’s draft, Baalke has replaced Frank Gore with Carlos Hyde, fortified our O line, found us a kick returner – with what? 11 or 12 picks? I could have done better…. without a scouting department. Baalke wasted a ton of picks on guys who won’t make the team. Only thing I can say….. Thank God Jim Harbaugh has control of the 53 man roster.

  61. Spitblood says:

    7th round….. Another mistake by Baalke. I kind of like the pick of Trey Millard, FB OU. But he was just injured, coming off an ACL injury, and lSU FB JC Copleland was available without injury. Millard was ranked higher, and in all likelyhood, either FB would need to hit the PUP, but I’d rather fake injury (not beneath the 49ers to do) or just put him on the practice squad. AND I’d rather have a guy who was physically ready to play TODAY. What if Bruce Miller gets hurt? Dixon is in Buffalo. I like the pick because I think Bruce Miller is really overrated and limited, but I feel the Copeland was the better selection – especially when Copeland was healthy.

    Trent Baalke’s 2014 NFL draft =’s an F.

  62. Spitblood says:

    Wow!! …. there were some good players this year that didn’t even get drafted. 6′ 6″ receiver Brandon Coleman didn’t get drafted and signed with the Saints. My two boys, Kelsey Quarles and JC Copeland didn’t get drafted either. Copeland went to the Bengals as an undrafted FA where Hue Jackson (replacing Gruden) is likely to start emphasizing the run game more (and should because Andy Dalton sucks), and my other boy Quarles went to the Giants who love them some D linemen. Coughlin stockpiles D linemen like cord wood. Quarles and Coleman were projected as 3rd rounders. Coleman came out early. Oops!!!

    The only guy I liked last year who didn’t get drafted was D’Rick Rogers (sp?). He bounced from the Bills and went to the Colts where Luck hit him deep a few times down the stretch of the regular season. Either I’m slipping or the NFL GMs are slippin’. I’ll tell you one thing…. it ain’t me.

  63. Spitblood says:

    I’ll leave you all tonight after this momentously floppoliceous Baalke draft with one thought…. If I’m on offense, playing the Rams, and there’s a fumble, I’m not diving into the pile. I don’t appreciate my junk squeezed by other men. I’m funny that way.

    In the immortal words of Roster J. Cogburn, ” I intend to stay in my own low class….. INNNN -definitely!!! “

  64. NJ49er says:

    Jimmie Ward is an upgrade over Donte Whitner IMO.
    Sure, small school, under 6′ but, 38″ vert and played in 55 games in College.
    He’s a tackling machine (320) with 4.4 speed and won’t have to contribute immediately as the roster stands now.

    Not a glamour pick at 30 but he was right there with Deone Bucannon for me.
    Once AZ grabbed Deone at 27, Baalke likely felt compelled to get Jimmie.

    Spit, I figured you’d be happy with the RB.
    Hyde was a steal.
    Great value there, as was Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas IMO.
    All Baalke did was play the Board, get some depth for TC and got a jump on next year with several guys that will ‘Red-Shirt’ this year.

    One thing about Brandon Thomas, injury aside, he played OT and matched up well with Clowney in that Division.
    He’ll likely be seen as an OG due to his height but, he’s a solid value pick that won’t be needed immediately.

    • Spitblood says:

      Ward is better than Donte Whitner? MY. ASS. Did you get some of Chuck’s Monday night crack delivered early? Ward has never even played in the NFL. You don’t know if that kid’s gonna make the jump from small school to the NFL. And you say he’s better? Donte Whitner is an established SS who played in the Super Bowl and just made bank with the Browns. Ward is a sleepy-eyed kid that nobody knows if he’ll pan out in NFL. You don’t know his NFL future. But we all know who Whitner is. “Ward is better than Whitner?” MY. ASS. But one thing we all know is that Ward was projected as a second or even third round pick. Mayock said he was a third. Baalke reached, and his ass is now out on a limb because there were other defensive linemen out there at a value. Baalke could have drafted Timmy Jernigan or Nix (who fell because of injury). Instead Baalke got radar lock on a DB and ended up losing value because he reached. That’s a bad GM move. Even an injured Nix would have been better.

      Trent Baalke is a bad GM.

      • NJ49er says:

        Of course Spit, Whitner was a high 1st RD pick.
        My comparison has to do with the measurables.

        I’m not suggesting he’s better, simply an upgrade in terms of speed and measurables.
        Ward will earn his time behind Bethea for now.
        He just had a screw inserted in his foot.

        I base my opinions on the information obtained from stats.
        Stats can always be misleading, no argument there.

        Both Whitner and Ward are/were solid tacklers.
        Ward is faster, maybe a bit taller.
        Stats are stats. I didn’t mean to suggest Ward is better, just an upgrade.

        We’ll see what he comes.
        I can’t fault the pick, in terms of filling a need, with a guy that we don’t have to count on to start immediately.

      • NJ49er says:

        As for the DL options, I think Baalke is counting on Tank and Dial to fill those needs this year.
        Nix dropped for a reason.
        Strength and conditioning were the knocks I’ve read about.
        I’m all about a fat man in the middle for a 3-4.
        Obviously Nix wasn’t the fit for us as Baalke could have taken him in numerous spots.
        Most of those decisions fall to the position coaches I’d suspect.

        I wanted DT Jay Bromley from Syracuse.
        The NYG grabbed him earlier than I expected him to go so, you have to play the Board the way it falls to you.
        I happen to think Baalke got great value from the Board as it played out.

        Again, it’s a matter of opinion, until the guys make it, or they don’t.

  65. NJ49er says:

    When you look at picks made in RD1 by Philly and NE, Jimmie Ward was no reach.

    Time will tell, as with any Draft pick.
    Ward is quick enough to handle the slot too.
    Typically we have Patrick on the TE anyway, so I don’t think Ward’s height will be much of factor.
    I think Ward actually has an inch or 2 in height advantage on Whitner, for what it’s worth.

  66. Spitblood says:

    “When you look at picks made in RD1 by Philly and NE, Jimmie Ward was no reach.”

    Oh, okay. I see. If we compare our pick to the pick of another team that reached, our reach is no longer a reach. Is that how that works? I didn’t realize that. So if I’m less of a drunk than Del, I’m not a drunk at all? WONDERFUL!!!! I’m thrilled not to be a drunk.

    You’re so full of shit. Jimmy Ward was yet another Trent Baalke reach, and if Ward doesn’t play well or crack the starting lineup in some way soon, he’s another AJ Jenkins type bust. Another LMJ.

    Look at Trent Baalke’s entire 2012 draft. Look at our secondary right now. And there’s good evidence out there that a lot of the good picks by this organization in the last several years weren’t Baalke picks at all. I say Kaep and Reid were Harbaugh. Trent Baalke sucks.

  67. NJ49er says:

    Spit I see it as a value pick for an area of need.
    No one knows what he’ll turn out to be at this point certainly.

    The reason for my comparison to Philly and NE is simply to suggest that neither of those 2 picks carried grades for RD1.
    Jimmie Ward was in that RD1-2 area.

    I had figured RD2 for both Bucannon and Ward.
    They ended up at the bottom of RD1.

    We’ll see how he delivers.

    • Spitblood says:

      You see a reach as a value? Oh wait, you don’t think it’s a reach because the Eagles reached… I see. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. Reaches by definition are not values.

      • NJ49er says:

        If we’re not counting on him to start, how can it be a reach Spit?
        My opinion, from that pick right through the entire Board process was, value.

        Bethea is there, giving us the starter to replace Whitner.
        From Draft grades posted in numerous places, Ward graded as a top tier SS.
        He’s quick enough to handle the slot too.
        Something we counted on Carlos to handle.
        Carlos wasn’t much of a tackler either.

        IMO, Ward gives us strong tackling and better coverage skills than Whitner.

        Until he produces NFL stats, I can only compare his body of work through the Draft information provided and, trust that the Scouts/GM/Coaches felt he was worthy of that selection.

        We’re Drafting for depth, not necessarily for immediate production.
        You have to be happy with Hyde I’d think?
        He was a steal, in terms of value.
        It now puts pressure on Lattimore in TC.
        It’s all about competition.

  68. Spitblood says:

    Oh… this gets better. Now you want me to define a reach for you. You’re like talking to Bill Clinton. Define “is.” It’s a reach because his projection was a third rounder. And sure, I’ll give you that there was a run on DBs and that’s because they’re becoming more and more valuable. But a good GM zigs when the field is zagging and grabs value else where. That’s what Baalke should have done with Timmy Jernigan instead of getting desperate and reaching for a projected 3rd round DB. Baalke should have identified the run on DBs, then looked else where.

  69. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up.

  70. NJ49er says:

    When you see guys like Nix fall, look at all the guys that didn’t get Drafted at all.
    Jeffcoat, Brandon Coleman,Skov and many others didn’t get a sniff.

    It speaks to the depth of this Draft class in general.
    I was surprised to see us hold all of our Picks and take this approach to add depth.
    Not a bad way to go I guess.

    Getting Stevie likely changed the Draft Board concerns for a WR while also putting pressure on Bling Lloyd to fight for a roster spot.

    Several of these Picks, will Red-Shirt too.
    It’s just the nature of the beast.
    Produce or seek employment elsewhere.

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