Weird Scenes Inside the 49er Goldmine . . .

. . . to paraphrase Mr. Mojo Risin’ himself, Jim Morrison.

As far as the story that won’t go away goes, and all this hyperventilating about the Harbaugh trade to the Browns, the one thing to come out of it is the notion that Jim Harbaugh and Trent Baalke are not pals. As in, they can’t be in the same room together, and they now communicate strictly by email. Now I’m not a huge proponent of Kumbaya, peace, love, granola, and all that shit in the workplace, but really, we’re poised at the edge of the 2014 draft, and the head coach and General Manager aren’t talking? Not a good scenario.

The Niners very recently travelled this road when sloppy Scotty McLoughan was canned a month before the 2010 draft, and Baalke took over as the interim GM. Of course that draft netted Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Navorro Bowman, Nate Bynam, Anthony Dixon, KW, and Phillip Adams. The only really bad guys from that draft, for us anyway, were Taylor Mays and Nate Bynam, although they are still in the league. So, maybe a little turmoil is good. But I’m not too happy to hear about all this shit right before the draft.

Throw in the apparent problems between Harbaugh and Greg Roman regarding play calling, and the recent uproar around the Harbaugh trade, there seems to be power struggles at every turn. All centering on Jim Harbaugh. And to me, this is the crux of the biscuit. Harbaugh wants more control. From the draft perspective, and from the play calling side as well. All the while he’s been stonewalled in his attempts to negotiate a contract extension with the 49er front office. Which leads me to believe he wants top money. Lets’s say the $9-10 million range? In other words, he wants Super Bowl money, even though he hasn’t delivered a Super Bowl.

Harbaugh’s point appears to be, well, I need to make the personnel decisions to GET us to the promised land. That’s fairly easy to infer from all these machinations going on. Also the play calling aspect. As I wrote a few threads ago, this team is in transition as to how the offense is built, the players they have, and the plays they are calling. There was a link to a story that addressed this very thing. About how the team is building itself to evolve into a more wide open offense as the old guard power running guys leave or retire. Of course the main thread of THAT story didn’t have the notion that the HC and GM can’t look at each in the eye, and that Greg Roman is becoming a puppet in his job.  

So, this situation has become a lot more than offseason speculation and the nothing-to-talk-about news cycle. Although this certainly feeds into that in a big way. If this power struggle really is as bad as the noise suggests, Harbaugh is certainly the guy holding the aces. When he came here the 49ers, from top to Singletary’s flashing bottom, were seen as a national joke. A team with perennial high draft picks who managed to find new and intersting ways to lose. Head coaches who couldn’t design an offense other than Gore right, Gore left, Gore up the middle, punt. A front office of mid-level managers all wandering around the building with no direction or purpose.

Harbaugh comes in, and with little time with the team due to the lockout, takes them to the NFC Championship game in year 1, the Super Bowl in year 2, and the NFCCG in year 3. So, which piece is essential? It certainly isn’t Baalke. Or Roman. Strange days, indeed. Young Sir Jed has his hands full all of a sudden.

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224 Responses to Weird Scenes Inside the 49er Goldmine . . .

  1. If anyone goes it hopefully is not Jimi. Tomsula is the replacement? Jimi got a laugh over that and the FO is admitting there are no actual replacement coaches worth considering.

    Give Jimi control over player selections, tell Baalke to deal with it or deal with Tomsula in 2 years or less. And good luck with yer new stadium. Baalke is expendable if necessary to keep Hendrix.

  2. And furthermore (bumped):

    No one gives a shit what the Browns said or the Niner denials. The story wont go away until the power struggle between Jimi and Trent is resolved. Thats real and is not resolved. New contract for Jimi = evidence it is. Absent that the longer it goes w/o the worse it is for 9ers on all levels.

    Dont screw this up Jed. Only one of these 2 hot shots is irreplaceable. = Hendrix

  3. snarkk says:

    Which guy came in and coached the Niners, from a standing start with virtually the same team as Sing, into the NFC Champ Game? Not Baalke…

  4. snarkk says:

    Nightmare scenario. Raiduhs chug a lug, as expected, to another 4 win season this fall (they have a tough schedule, and should still be garbage anyway, mildly improved with the upcoming draft). Mark “haircut” Davis fires Allen, fires Reggie. Who’s available? Oh, Harbs hasn’t been extended. Davis makes it known Harbs can be HC and AND GM. Fun ensues. If Harbs ended up as the Raider Grand Poobah, oy…

    • shaman138 says:

      You know I’d love that but there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that happens. York & Co. will find a way to keep Jimbo, at any cost…but this in-house drama looks to be quite the budding mess.

  5. Irish Kevin says:

    Ah yes the power struggle. well, lets look at Mr B Walsh. when he came in he work with the GM on Player personnel, but ultimately Bill had the yeah or neigh vote on a player. So give Jimmy the reins and let him run with it. He was a college coach and a pretty successful one at that. So I would think he know how to evaluate a player. I am sure that he will take advice just as surely as Bill did. And it is not like Bill didn’t make mistakes. Rare as they might be, think Rynaldo Neimia. So give up that control Trent, take it like a man and let Jimmy make the decisions.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    Well, it mirrors exactly the scenario surrounding Kaepernick. In that the longer he’s left dangling, the more ammunition he will have to get a bigger deal. As that comes to pass, the likelihood someone backs up the Brinks truck to lure him out of here becomes greater and greater.

  7. snarkk says:

    I’m not that concerned about the details of this Browns trade stuff. It’s to the advantage of the Browns owner to troll this stuff up as much as possible to make it look like he’s trying everything, rather than look like the doofus he is to the apoplectic Browns fan base Any owner or GM could call up Jed York and ask if he wants to trade Harbs, then leak a bunch of crap about it, whether Jed hung up on him or met him for beers over it. The Harbs v. Baalke BS is the more worrisome, especially crystallization that Harbs is probably more of a prick inside the org than we thought. Oh well. Mozart was a prick, and he made great music. Bonds was a prick, and was a great player. Harbs is a prick, but a winner…

  8. Spitblood says:

    Ray Ratto wrote a story saying Jed York wasted a lie. Sometimes Ratto and Maiocco make things up and it hurts them more than anything. Greg Papa called Maiocco on starting a Jim Tomsula rumor that had no merit. York to Peter King said the Browns contacted him but weren’t interested in trading Harbaugh. Ratto asserts York lied when saying the PFT report wasn’t true. There’s no lie there on York’s behalf. Pro Football Talk implied there was an offer and negotiations and Harbaugh nixed the trade. Jed York saying, “The Report wasn’t true,” was right. That report wasn’t true. The Browns and 49ers didn’t enter into talks. Ratto should shut up. Get it right or shut up.

    Take the Browns out of the equation. We now know Jim Harbaugh is in a tough contract negotiation and he’s not getting along with Trent Baalke. We also know Jed doesn’t want to trade Harbaugh. So Jed has no leverage. He’s staring at dumping either Harbaugh or Baalke (and apparently it won’t be Harbaugh), or Jed needs to find a way to mend the fence – big time. There’s no chance of harmony in the 49ers’ front office until Harbaugh gets a contract.

    If Jed lets Harbaugh get out of town, the 49ers are screwed and Jed will be vilified. The taste of the Singletary and Nolan years hasn’t left a lot of 49er fans. Those memories are all too familiar.
    If I’m Jed, I pay Harbaugh whatever he wants, for as long as he wants, and I tell people within the organization they better start dealing with Harbaugh’s abrasive personality or they’ll be the ones with a pink slip. Then I tell Harbaugh, after he has a contract in place that he basically wrote for himself, to grow the hell up. The crying on the sidelines, the too tight before big games – it’s all immature. Pay what he wants for as long as he wants, then get Harbaugh to grow the hell up.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Right, Spitty. The Cleveland part of this story is now a footnote to the impasse between Harbaugh and Baalke. Ratto, Florio, and Schefter, et al may try to wring a little more gristle from it, but that is a dead end.

      The next domino is Kaepernick. I’m sure he’d be more than a little leery if Harbaugh gets run out of town on a rail. He’d be hard-pressed to commit to the team with major upheaval going on. Where would we be without Harbaugh and Kaepernick?

      Hello 6-10.

  9. snarkk says:

    If Harbs left, but most of the coaching staff stayed, it wouldn’t be a disaster. If he went to the Dolphins, for example, would all/most of the assistants follow? I don’t know the answer. If they would follow, then THAT would be a disaster…

    • snarkk says:

      On the other side, any new HC replacing Harbs would want most of the staff to be his own guys. Again, possible disaster. If Fangio or Roman were promoted, and everybody else stayed, probably not a disaster…

      • Spitblood says:

        If Harbaugh left, eventually all the other good coaches on the 49ers’ staff would as well. The key word is “eventually.” Some might stick around for a while, but if they were given other opportunities win teams they felt could win championships, they’d leave as well.

  10. 12th man says:

    Sorry I don’t agree the Browns attempt means nothing. I think its key to what happens next. No way the Browns got as far as putting an offer together without the Niners signaling they were open to at least hearing what that offer is. If you choose to believe otherwise good for you.

    Two things come from the offer A) The Niners got to decide if it was tempting enough and B) they got to show Harbaugh that if he pushes too much they may be willing to let him go.

    The Harbaugh/Baalke issue is not a symptom of the Browns offer, it is because of it the Browns were able to make an offer.

    I do agree that something has to give but figure this season stays status quo. If I were a betting man I would bet Baalke stays and Harbaugh goes if it does come down to that. Not because Harbaugh has not done well or is not a good coach but because he rubs the FO the wrong way including Jed apparently.

    Jed hid behind semantics, people do it every day, no biggie.

    I agree with Spit that Harbaugh is likely to get a contract, at least I hope so because I think despite his play ground antics he does coach well. Not sure that manly men stuff still plays and there are plenty of ex players of his that don’t like him but results are what counts and by most measures he has them.

    I don’t see that Kap is tied to Harbaugh particularly.

  11. Spitblood says:

    Chuck: If I’m Jed York, I’m negotiating with Harbaugh right now. Harbaugh is the gate keeper to other contracts like the Boldin contract that people just reported was close to being done. If I’m Boldin or Kaepernick, I hold off on signing until I know Jim’s there for another five years at least. To Boldin, five years doesn’t matter. But it sure would to Kaep. And Jed, if he was tough in negotiations, just lost a lot of leverage due to this Browns bs. Jed looks stupid because he didn’t pursue the Browns’ offer, but the Browns and media have made Jed out to look like a guy who was interested in pursuing it. Jed still doesn’t get the PR game outside the lines.

    And for a while there, I was reading Berger’s comments because he was spot on about a lot of things, but now Berger’s gone off the rails. First off, Berger writes that to think there’s nothing to the Browns’ story is naive. Well, there’s nothing to the story, so I guess I’m naive. I’ve said all along, Del can ask Jenna Jameson out all he wants, but come Saturday night he’ll still be feeding the ducks. The Browns never got the horse out of the barn, but they’re claiming they ran their steed through the hills all night.

    Berger also was saying, “What’s the difference between 6-10 without Harbaugh, and losing the NFC Championship with Harbaugh?” And Berger lets it be known that Del is influencing Berger’s thinking regarding Harbaugh. The difference is, like I wrote about earlier, that Jim Harbaugh is not a finished produce. This Berger and Del thinking assumes losing is all we’ll get from Harbaugh for the next ten years, and that’s drunken, emotional conclusions. I’d much rather have a great coach (top 3 in the NFL), losing but learning how to win, than a 6-10 season. That’s the point. That’s the difference. Jim Harbaugh could becoming Tom Coughlin, and Colin Kaepernick is young. Now do some backtracking, Berger and Del.

    Most important thing that could happen right now is for Jed York to give Jim Harbaugh whatever he wanted in terms of a contract. Players are stopping their contract negotiations, waiting to see if Harbaugh will be back. Boldin was close to signing, Kaep was in negotations. Harbaugh leaves, that changes everything for those players and their negotiations. I sign Harbaugh to whatever he wants for as long as he wants, and I tell the front office if they don’t like Harbaugh they can kick rocks and go someplace else. That goes for Del and Berger, too.

    • 12th man says:

      The ever tasteful Berger agrees with me then, you are being Naive. I mostly agree with his O philosophy too. Not the one attributed to him that says we go 4 wide every down because that’s not what he is talking about.

    • Influenced by Del? That explains it. = Ninerphobia.

      Bullshit, a future 8-8 is better than 6-10 but compared to what we have in Jimi- I’ll take Hendrix.

      Jed- Pay The Man. Never mind your supposed hurt feelings

  12. Spitblood says:

    Another thing that really makes Berger look foolish about his claim that he’d rather go 6-10 than lose Championship games is that Berger was and still is an Alex Smith fan. So Berger and Del assume Harbaugh will never improve, but that Alex Smith in year 9 has a better chance? That’s just stupid thinking right there. Coaches evolve while players in year 9 have pretty much shown their limitations. Wooden coached for 15 years before winning championships, and is now considered one of the greatest coaches in all of sports. Bilichick coached for years under Parcels, then the Browns, then finally started winning championships as a HC with the Patriots (while spying). Walsh wasn’t an overnight success. He coached under Paul Brown for years. Pete Carroll was with the Jets, Patriots, 49ers and maybe other teams. Tom Coughlin was with the Jaguars, then won with the Giants. It takes a HC a while to learn how to win Super Bowls.

    But Berger, unlike Del, is on the wrong side of the Alex Smith debate. There’s no winning a Super Bowl with Alex Smith. Love the guy’s character, but Smith will never be able to throw deep. He’ll always take too many sacks. He’ll always be inconsistent with his accuracy. He’s not a big game quarterback, but Berger claims he wants a big game head coach when those guys don’t grow on trees, they’re honed and nurtured over time. At least Del saw that Alex Smith wasn’t a big game qb and is consistent with his claim that he wants a big game HC. Del is a little short sighted in that there’s nobody out there to take this team to the Super Bowl. Harbaugh’s our best shot. Look at the recent hires: Whissenhunt, Jim Caldwell, and the Browns’ recent hire? Please. Jim Harbaugh is a great head coach, and it’ll take time for him to learn how to win Super Bowls. Jim Harbaugh is our best shot. Sign him to a long term deal and tell Baalke to get out of his way.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    Spitty, I’m totally with you on the York part of this. Too many of the impending decisions the team needs to make are based squarely on what Harbaugh’s status is. I really don’t think they can afford to drag their feet. Especially when you hear what York admitted to this morning:
    York told the Sacramento Bee that the Browns called the 49ers in January with the intent of speaking with 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman and defensive line coach Jim Tomsula about the Browns coaching vacancy.

    During that conversation, the Browns asked about Harbaugh’s availability via trade.

    That line of questioning went “not far at all,” York told the Bee. “We had no interest in entering those discussions.”

    He added that: “We want Jim to be our head coach, and we’ve said that very clearly.”
    Since those words (especioally that last line) came directly from the horse’s mouth, it’s time for the horse to put out. Boldin (and Whitner for that matter) I’m pretty sure will be taken care of shortly. But Kaepernick is the issue and the golden goose in this. If they drag their feet on Harbaugh, I seriously don’t think Kappy commits to this team. Kappy has it VERY good here. He could very well end up in a situation like Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, or even early Alex Smith, where the coaching staff is a big deterrent to one’s success.

    And, before the shitstorm begins, I’m not saying any one of those guys are Super Bowl worthy, I’m just saying that with better coaching, all those guys could have had much more success in the NFL, either in individual numbers, or wins in general.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Dennis is a little shortsighted? There’s the understatement of the century . . . maybe even the millenium . . .

  15. unca_chuck says:

    Sheist. The shit keeps getting deeper.

    This report has Harbaugh initiating the contact w/the Browns. .

    Myck Lombardi???

    • 12th man says:

      Despite Spitty’s proclamation, there clearly was a story with legs and they keep getting longer. Since that is pretty much without doubt the real question is what happens next?

      If the shit gets deeper then pride becomes a factor and the status quo for this year is in jeopardy. A resignation? A firing? who knows. All is not well in 49er land and I hear bay bridge sections are selling like hot cakes.

      • What happened to your theory that Jed pulled this to put Hendrix in his place?.. Maybe the other way around. Either way it is irrelevant to solving the baalkebaugh power struggle. Jed get on yer horse and corral that cowpuncher

      • 12th man says:

        I haven’t made that theory Phil. I don’t think Jed pulled anything to put Harbaugh in his place. I think Jed is quite willing to let Harbaugh go if that is what he wants and I think Harbaugh has tried to use that gambit several times now. Jed just wants something in return for letting him out.

        I think Jed would prefer to find a way to work it out but he sure as shit ain’t going on bended knee to Harbaugh to keep him or pay him top dollar. Now it’s up to Harbaugh to decide what he is willing to accept.

    • Spitblood says:

      People keep reporting on the same story, over and over.

      • 12th man says:

        So this is still a non story for you? OK.

      • Spitblood says:

        You’ve put yourself in a position to prove the Browns presented an offer and the 49ers considered it. You have no proof. Not a single reporter is saying the Browns presented an offer, or that the 49ers considered it. The burden of proof is on you. Until then… not much happened.

      • Again the story is the baalkebaugh POWER STRUGGLE. That’s the DOG; this is the TAIL lol

  16. unca_chuck says:

    The point being, shit like this will fly around any time the Harbaugh’s name comes up in conversation, Until Harbaugh gets an extension.

    As Bob Dylan famously said. you don;t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

  17. Spitblood says:

    Harbaugh and his agent understand that to get what they contractually want from the 49ers they need to create leverage. That leverage comes by way of rumors that other teams might want his services…. and they do. 25-30 other teams in the NFL, and certainly at least that many in the college ranks, would fire their current head coach if they were to land Harbaugh. The Browns issue, and talk of a divide between Baalke and Harbaugh, only gives Jim more leverage. The 49ers can sit and do nothing with Harbaugh under contract; however, even if the the 49ers don’t win the Super Bowl in 2014, Harbaugh will still have the upper hand at that point with negotiations. Jed York needs to realize this, and realize that Harbaugh is a very limited commodity. Jed York needs to pay Jim Harbaugh whatever he wants, for as long as he wants, and tell his front office Jim has a free hand. I’ll ask this question again, a question nobody seems to have an answer for: Who is available to do the job Jim Harbaugh has done? Who could the 49ers’ hire to take over while not seeing the 49ers skip a beat next year? The answer is nobody. So Jim Harbaugh has all the leverage, and Jim Harbaugh needs to get paid. If Jed York doesn’t step up to the plate, his tenure is in a lot of trouble. Like Alex Smith, Jim Harbaugh has rejuvenated Jed York’s image.

    • NoFear49er says:

      Surely you’re not serious about giving Harbaugh whatever he wants. If it was all about coaching the greats would never fail, but they do.

      Coaching is one of the pieces that must come together to make a winner but certainly not the only piece.

      If there is a rift anywhere near the scale the rumor mill citing unnamed sources and “I’m told” and “I’m hearing” tries to make it, it’s up to Jed to put an end to it or make it workable or get rid of the problem.

      Let Jim bring a couple rings to knock on the table from teams that started on the bottom or the top, like the one he inherited, to the next negotiation.

    • 12th man says:

      The point you make is an obvious one Spit, Harbaugh is a hot commodity and 2/3 of the league would prefer him over their current guy, that part is easy. The next part is also a no brainer, who would the fans rather have? Speaking for myself I prefer Harbaugh. The point you don’t address is much like tooth ache there comes a point where even a root canal is preferred over the constant pain.
      I have no idea how bad things really are in the Org but it is turning into a mess quickly and soon it will have a mind of its own. If it turns out Harbs did initiate the contact with the Browns he is gone. No way the Niners can stand to have their HC be seen to want to coach somewhere else and make the Niners look like a second tier Org.

      I hope it blows over soon and they sign a contract but it sure as shit won’t be for 5 years or the highest pay in the league.

      • Spitblood says:

        12th – your tooth ache analogy leaves out on thing: Who do you hire that’s less of a tooth ache, because not competing for Super Bowls, which Harbaugh’s done even with Alex Smith, is a different kind of tooth ache, one I don’t want to feel again. Who do you hire?

      • 12th man says:

        It would mean an internal hire Spit. Going outside is too much turmoil. I would leave Fangio alone with the D, suffer Roman for another year and promote Tomsula. He was a HC in Europe and for 1 memorable game in the US and was mentioned for HC interviews this year. Again, this is hypothetical and I prefer Harbaugh stays but if I was forced into a decision that’s what I would do.

      • Spitblood says:

        One year after Tomsula is named coach the staff leaves and the 49ers become just another place to collect a pay check for the players.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    Tomsula’s name has come up repeatedly. Which, while Tomsula has the best winning percentage in 49er history, you’d have to wonder who he would pick, as he’s completely hamstrung by the fact all coaches are accounted for and Tomsula, while an NFL veteran, does not have a black book of names to pull out to build a coaching staff from.

    So he’d have a lame-duck staff, and who knows as HC. Roman?

    Fuck that. I’d be out on the ledge with Dennis.

    As you and I and many others have said, Harbaugh holds all the cards in this poker game.

    • 12th man says:

      Tomsula makes the most sense if Harbs were to go. They keep the OC and DC intact since they are under contract and Tomsula has HC experience and is well liked. I am not saying he is as good as Harbs cause we have no idea but the pieces would stay in place.

      I vote Tomsula!

      • unca_chuck says:

        I can pretty safely say Tomsula isn’t as good as Harbaugh.

      • 12th man says:

        I would guess the same and hope not to find out.

      • Alleykat says:

        Tomsula?? Let’s get real 12th,no way in hell would he become HC of the Niners! Man that 1-0 coaching record has guys delusional …

      • 12th man says:

        One other tidbit about Tomsula is that although he wouldn’t need a black book if he took over on an interim deal he has for certain got one. No coach can interview for a HC position without having his staff lined up 3 deep.

      • unca_chuck says:

        AK, I’m kidding about Tomsula’s record. The point being there isn’t anyone readily available to BECOME a head coach. Let alone hire a coaching staff.

        The hire, if it comes to pass, would have to be internal. The players would likely mutiny if Roman took over. Fangio is a better possibility, but that still leaves the offense in a huge bind.

      • 12th man says:

        OK Kat, tell me your hypothetical plan if Harbs goes? New coach from the outside = likely an all new staff.

  19. 12th man says:

    As for Harbs holding all the cards, Nah. A good negotiating position without doubt but I’ve never yet seen the tail wag the dog and it won’t happen now either. This is the San Francisco 49ers with all that prestige that goes with that.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Prestige? ALL the recent prestige stems from Harbaugh and no one else. These are uncharted waters for Jed. If this was Eddie’s team, he’d have the check already written.

      • 12th man says:

        I think if this was Eddies team Harbaugh would be sitting at home by now. OK that’s an exaggeration but the point is valid.

        Not one single coach in the league is bigger than the team that employs him, even the lowliest team and the Niners are far from that.

      • Spitblood says:

        Eddie D said, in an interview before the HOF candidates were announced, “It’s very important that this team signs Jim Harbaugh to an extention.” Eddie D would have learned from his Bill Walsh mistakes and made it work with Harbaugh – something Eddie failed to do over the long haul with Walsh.

      • Good point = Eddie drove BW off with his meddling IMO and young Sir Jed needs to profit from that mistake. Or we are gonna get “Tomsula-ed” = FUCKED

  20. unca_chuck says:

    NoFear, the obvious point here is, on Jan 1 2011, the 49ers were a national joke. From Singletary dropping trou to the front office being called out by Eddie D as a muddled mess of middle managers with no direction.

    Now they are perennial Super Bowl favorites. Regardless who did what before him, the team was a shambles in the front office and a joke on the field.

    Harbaugh singlehandedly changed the perception of the 49ers. He will get $7-8 mill. And likely more control over the personnel.

    • Yeah this is the major issue facing this team. Forget Kap extension, O woes, Browns shit or Baalke and Jed’s hurt feelings. Horse pucky.

      Fix it Jed. 7-8 mil and control over player selection. Or kiss yer ass g’bye

  21. Spitblood says:

    Jim Tomsula? Please. I’d rather have Mike Nolan than Jim Tomsula. Tomsula coached in the arena leagues. So let me get this straight, to answer my question who’s the next hire? The answer is Jim Tomsula? We’d go from competing for Super Bowls to an arena league coach? Please, let’s not let that happen.

    Let me give you guys a taste of what Jim Tomsula would be like as our HC. First off, Colin Kaepernick would demand a lot more from the 49ers. There’d be no, as he said, “I need to take less so my guys can have more so we can all compete for championships,” philosophy because Kaepernick would know that when things got tough in games, he couldn’t come back to to the sidelines to Harbaugh for wisdom about playing the qb position. There’d be no championship runs under Harbaugh. He’d walk off the field and be greeted by a D line coach. Remember Alex Smith walking off the field dejected, fighting with Singletary. Tomsula would be more diplomatic, but he wouldn’t be anymore insightful.

    Tomsula, this late in the game, would certainly retain his coaches…. for a year. The team wouldn’t make the playoffs because the Cardinals almost beat us out with first year head coach, Bruce Arians. Jeff Fisher is building a monster in St Louis, now with Gregg Williams. We know about the Seahawks. We wouldn’t make the playoffs with Tomsula, and the next year his coaches would leave for other, real opportunities. That’s a staff that Jim Harbaugh put together, not Jim Tomsula.

    Eventually Tomsula would be exposed as a guy with limited overall knowledge about how to run a football team. Then the 49ers wouldn’t be a hot commodity for actual good coaches in 2015.

    The guy I’d hire if Harbaugh left would be Vic Fangio. Greg Pappa confronted, on air, Matt Maiocco and asked him where he got the Tomsula idea? Maiocco said it was just speculation that would be the 49ers’ guy. So from speculation from a reporter, we get Tomsula running this team into the ground. But even Fangio would be a huge downgrade.

    Who else? Vic Fangio, Greg Roman, Jim Tomsula? Who else out there could keep the wheels from falling off? Nobody. You give Jim Harbaugh whatever he wants and be happy you did.

    And yes, NoFear, I’d give Jim Harbaugh whatever he wanted. He’s the glue that keeps this entire team together. He keeps all the coaches together. He makes the players want to sign for less to play for championships, and he’s by far the best option for the 49ers going into a year when the new stadium will be opened. You give Jim Harbaugh whatever he wants and be thankful you did.

    • Dont replay the Eddie death wish and run off the best coach around here for the past 10-20 years.

      “Please don’t Tomsula me! Please!”

      Maiocco enough ass kissing

  22. Spitblood says:

    On the ESPN website right now…. “The 49ers shouldn’t let Jim Harbaugh get away. They need him more than he needs them.” Exactly. EXACTLY. YOU PAY THE MAN WHATEVER HE WANTS FOR AS LONG AS HE WANTS.

  23. Spitblood says:

    Here’s a well written article: Pay the man!

    And yesterday it was reported Boldin is close to signing. Wonder why a contract hasn’t been announced. If I was Boldin I’d wait to see Harbaugh resigned. It’s one thing for backups like Dahl and Baldwin to take paycuts. It’s another thing entirely for super stars to re-sign under the cloud of uncertainty. Show of hands….. how many think Boldin wants to play for Tomsula? Anyone? Anyone? Didn’t think so.

  24. unca_chuck says:

    If Tomsula could get a good OC, why not? Shit, pry away Bill Lazor, QB coach from the Eagles. He’s an up-and-coming guy. Let him run loose. Or go pass happy.

  25. Spitblood says:

    Let’s take a closer look at Jim Harbaugh for a second, just for kicks.

    In Jim’s first year, a strike shortened year, Jim made it to the NFC Championship game with Alex Smith beating the Saints. Remember what a thrill that was? Alex running around the corner and then hitting Vernon? Then against the New York Giants, Jim Harbaugh’s team went into overtime with Smith throwing for like 12 yards passing to his wide receivers. The only thing that kept Harbaugh and his 49ers from going to the Super Bowl in Harbaugh’s rookie year was not one but two Kyle Williams’ fumbles.

    Then in year two, Harbaugh makes it to the Super Bowl. His team plays way too tight for three quarters, but then they turn it on in the 4th and almost win the game in the last drive. If it wasn’t for a false start or delay of game, the play designed to hand the ball off to Gore (behind Iupait) would have won the game for Jim Harbaugh and his Niners. Then you have Crabtree mugged in the end zone. Harbaugh was close on two separate occasions in that final drive.

    This year there’s a ton – A TON of blown calls that should have gone the 49ers’ way in the NFC Championship game. Running into the kicker? Navarro Bowman’s fumble recovery. Bad spots. Carlos Rogers getting an unsportsmanlike. And there were more bad call that I can’t even remember. Yet the game still came to down to inches. Kaep throws that ball two more feet over Sherman’s head and we trounce the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

    Now it’s not a given the 49ers with Alex Smith would have beaten the Patriots, but for my money, it’s a given the 49ers would have beaten the Broncos. So Jim was basically two Kyle Williams fumbles, a delay of game penalty, and one pass falling a foot or so short of potentially winning three Super Bowls. I know these are apologies. I know Jim fell short. But think of how close that guy is and he’s only been an NFL head coach for three years.

    I don’t think Jim Harbaugh is getting the respect on this blog he deserves. The man’s a great coach, with an entire career of learning ahead of him. And he’s got a young, super star quarterback that Jim hand picked. And you guys would consider Jim Tomsula? I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    • 12th man says:

      Talk yourself into a frenzy much?
      Nobody has said they prefer Tomsula. The hypothetical is who do they replace Harbaugh with if it comes to that. Grow up a bit eh?

      • Spitblood says:

        Grow up? My question is simple: Who do the 49ers select to replace Jim Harbaugh who will bring the 49ers back to the playoffs? And don’t say it’s not a given Jim Harbaugh will do that. Harbaugh will get the 49ers back into the playoff next year. Any suggestions?

      • Relax 12 Spitblood is hardly in a frenzy. He just doesn’t agree with you on this one. He’s in the majority here I believe

      • 12th man says:

        Time will tell Phil.

  26. snarkk says:

    Why would the Niners go very far with this Harbs for picks things? They have hardly any cap space for 2014, they’d have to load up on future, not present picks, because they’ve got no cap room to handle extra picks in the 2014 high rounds. And, what good is loading up on 2016 and 2017 high picks, when you give up your world class but pain in the ass coach NOW? Doesn’t make much sense to me that his Browns thing went very far at all…

  27. snarkk says:

    And, I can’t believe that this Harbs problem is really about money that much. The Niners are building a $1.2 BILLION stadium. What’s giving Harbs $7.5 or $8 million a year in an extension? That’s chicken feed in the scheme of things. This can’t be much about salary money. This is about ego and how the organization is to be run — way more important things than straight cash…

    • Spitblood says:

      Agree here as well. Looks like this is a power grab by Harbaugh.

    • It’s a classic power struggle that Jimi needs to win. Why the hell should Baalke have control of player selection if the competent HC is frustrated and wants to do it his way.

      Why Jed? You addicted to control like Unca Eddie? Good like with that

  28. Spitblood says:

    Interesting. I just read on the CSN Bay Area website that after the Seattle game Harbaugh told his players he’d fight to bring them all back regardless what the front office did. It also said Harbaugh wanted guys like Randy Moss back but that the front office nixed the idea. Looks like Jim Harbaugh does want to the be the GM.

    What’s interesting to me is that Baalke might be a little more insightful about who to keep and who to dump while Jim is a lot more emotional about decisions. I’m thinking Baalke is good for Jim, regardless if they get along.

    Maybe Baalke will draft to replace Frank Gore. I wonder how many players were forced upon Harbaugh, then Harbaugh didn’t spend much time developing them only to have them traded away by Baalke? I could see this really pissing off Baalke.

    Jed York wants a coach and GM in lockstep? Sounds like that’s far from happening, and it also sounds like the rift between Harbaugh and Baalke is over personnel. I hope the 49ers can manage to keep Harbaugh and Baalke around just long enough for Baalke to dump Frank Gore. When Gore’s gone, dump Baalke. Harbaugh would keep Gore until Gore was 60.

  29. unca_chuck says:

    Well, based on playing time I think we can safely assume AJJ and LMJ were Baalke’s babies.

  30. 12th man says:

    Adam Schefter reported the offer didn’t include a first rounder, cheapskates.

  31. Nipper says:

    Much ado about nothing…….yawn….

  32. Spitblood says:

    Saturday night the story comes out. Gives all the writers time to think. By Monday all the writers are saying the same thing but trying to put their own spin on it. Some true, Some not true. Just get me in the spotlight. Either way, the Brown horse never got out of the barn, even if 12th wants to convince everyone it did.

    • 12th man says:

      Lol. Talk about spin. Yeah I figure your on to something Spit, nothing to see here, move along. Funny thing is not one of the beat writers has taken the Niner side of events in denying anything. Weird that since they could have scored solid brownie points with Jed and co.
      Whatevers, denial is the first stage.

      • Spitblood says:

        Find me a source that says there was an offer made by the Browns, presented to the 49ers, and considered by the 49ers. I mean, hell – go even one better and show me a source where the 49ers’ countered.

      • 12th man says:

        Haslam and now York have both said talks were held. York has gone into moonwalk mode and admitted there was an offer but they weren’t interested. Quite different to the absolute denial he first went with.

        If it takes it being carved in stone for you to understand how these work I suggest you consult with Moses, he was big into that.

        The National reporters have said some version of this event happened and it clearly did. No beat reporter has refuted it and further they have spoken of “rumblings” they have been hearing for quite some time about the internal disfunction (Maiocco) You want it in rhyme and reason and no story ever gets out that way.

        Stick your head back in the sand, it will all go away.

        You try to spin it that I am making this story up, maybe you should look on the pages of USA today, espn, PFT and on and on. Name the national reporter out there who has not confirmed it to one extent or another,that will be a shorter list.

      • Spitblood says:

        You still don’t have your facts straight. Even now. Jed York confirmed, with the Sac Bee, only that the Browns reached out to them and that “the overture was turned down.” That’s all there is to it. You can keep claiming there’s more, like an offer or on-going dialogue, but you have no proof of that and no reporter is claiming they know that. The story has no legs. Until you can produce a reporter (or anyone for that matter) who says the Browns made an offer and presented it to the 49ers, you’re just spinning your wheels.

        I’ve made this analogy one hundred times, and it looks like for 12th’s benefit I’ll have to make it again. Del can ask a pretty girl out, but if she says no Del’s still feeding the Ducks come Saturday night. And there haven’t been any new stories develop regarding Cleveland since the story broke. Nothing. Until a reporter or anyone can say, “Cleveland offered a 1st and 3rd rounder this year, and 2nd next,” I stand by Jed’s account of the story…. Why? Because Cleveland has nothing the 49ers want. Draft picks? We have plenty and very little cap room. The Raider need draft choices. We don’t. What about money. That stadium is going to rake in cash.

        12th: Go find a link where a reporter says the Browns presented an offer and there was dialogue after. You simply can’t do that.

      • 12th man says:

        You choose to lay out your terms by which I need to prove a story to your satisfaction or it’s bullshit?
        Get real. You want to believe nothing happened go ahead, I’m not stopping you.

      • Spitblood says:

        I don’t believe nothing happened. I believe the Browns approached Jed York about an idea and Jed turned them down.

        To me, Jim Harbaugh has no credibility when he says, “He knew nothing.” However, that doesn’t mean it’s not true. It just means he has no credibility in my eyes because of the Peyton Manning deal. But I think it’s true in spite of Harbaugh’s words because…..

        1.) The Browns have nothing the 49ers want. We have all the draft choices we need. We have all the money we need.

        2.) Jed York doesn’t let Harbaugh get away when Harbaugh made York, Eddie lost Bill and Jed let Singletary move McCloughan.

        I don’t believe the entire deal was worked out and Harbaugh balked at it. You’ll have to show me a lot more evidence. It doesn’t make sense. Put all the pieces together and if Jed went that route he’d be committing political suicide. The fire storm that went after Jed York would be overwhelming. And furthermore, that would be a mark against Jed York that would stay with him his entire life because Jim Harbaugh will win Super Bowls in the NFL. And each time he does with another team, particularly if the 49er then suck, Jed York will look like an ass. The thought of actually entertaining moving Harbaugh needs a lot more evidence for me to believe it. The pieces don’t add up.

      • 12th man says:

        Nobody has said the entire deal was worked out. You keep stretching this further and further from your starting point of its all bullshit. You like quoting ESPN lately, here is the quote from Chris Mortenson of ESPN
        “Browns did indeed make a run at Jim Harbaugh that reached a serious stage, sources confirm substance of @ProFootballTalk report,” Mortensen said via Twitter.

        Now I’m a bit tired of you calling what I am saying is reported into question so I think it best I call it a night.

      • Spitblood says:

        So you’ve always taken the high road? If you can’t stand the heat, get outta the kitchen. Nite 12th.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Funny thing is, cheatin’ Pete is on his last year, and no one is talking about it. I find it hard to fathom that Jimbo plays the waiting game. At least quietly.

  34. 12th man says:

    Give Harbaugh a 2 year extension in the 7.5 a year range with escalators if he wins the big one. That means he makes 40 mil over 6 years with a chance to be the highest paid coach if he earns it and he will have a 4 year contract in hand. Seems fair to me as he has outperformed his current contract.

    Pete has done more with less to be honest. His roster was not as good as the Niner roster when he took over. I hate the Squawks but give him his due he has won the SB. He was a 1/2 game behind the Niners in 2012 and a game in front in 2013, that is pretty consistent stuff. I guess he will get a pay bump soon.

  35. Spitblood says:

    I think this is the most relevant and interesting couple of paragraphs that’s been published regarding the Harbaugh / Front office rift:

    “Harbaugh told the assembled players [after the Seattle game] that he did not care what the front office planned for the offseason. He was going to fight hard to bring back everyone in the room.

    It was an awkward moment, a source told But it was not too different than some of Harbaugh’s public statements about retaining such players as Josh Morgan, Randy Moss and Dashon Goldson – none of whom was re-signed.

    Harbaugh also made public statements last season, in effect, challenging Baalke to re-sign safety Donte Whitner and kicker Phil Dawson.” ~ CSN Bay Area

    What this is telling me is that Baalke is clearly in charge of the salary cap, and Jim Harbaugh is clearly in charge of the team. Duh. But we once thought they worked well together. Hell, I thought up until two days ago the two worked well together. But Harbaugh must feel like he’s being hamstrung by Baalke and Paraage. Harbaugh must almost blame Baalke and Paraage for him not winning Super Bowls because he’s not given the tools he deems necessary.

    In this regard, I don’t side with Harbaugh. I support Baalke. Baalke has done a good job with our salary cap. You have to make tough decisions regarding the cap, and it doesn’t appear to me that Harbaugh has the objectivity to cut loose of players who are either too expensive (Goldson), or too old (Moss). Jim Harbaugh may not like it, but he needs someone like Trent Baalke to balance him out. However, I’d bet dollars to donuts that Jim Harbaugh and Trent Baalke’s relationship is beyond repair. To me, the best move Jed York can make is giving Harbaugh more money with the understanding that he has to accept that he’ll lose key players and must work harder to develop younger players. This is what’s being argued here, and there is a way Jed York can fix it. Jed York needs to throw money at Harbaugh while convincing Harbaugh salary cap management is beyond necessary – it’s what keeps the team in contention year in and year out.

    • NJ49er says:

      Spit that’s the rub with Harbaugh.
      He thinks it’s an endless supply of talent and money.
      They don’t have endless benches in the NFL like he had at Stanford.

      I value a good GM as much as I value talented Coaches.
      Harbaugh seems to think he’s above the process.
      It’s business with highly talented personnel making tons of money.

      Stick to Coaching.
      The Team, the team, the team plays well for the media.
      Understand that you’re not the only guy that matters, in the grand scheme of things.
      Draft Picks are handed out like Scholarships.

    • 12th man says:

      Paraag Marathe is in charge of the salary cap. Baalke is the GM. Harbaugh is the coach.

      • NJ49er says:

        Correct 12th.
        Each guy plays an important role here.
        Marathe has largely been identified as the guy that got us out of Cap H3ll.

        It’s not an easy task, nor is acquiring the talent via the Draft.
        Juggling act of monumental proportions.

        Seems like a clash of ego’s between Jim and Trent if you buy the media feedback.

      • 12th man says:

        That’s what I see too.

  36. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Pete rolled that roster pretty hard in 2010. And he got through the door and won the whole thing.

    I don’t think Harbs takes a 2 year deal but that would work for me.

  37. NJ49er says:

    I contend that HCs certainly lobby for their guys, as it relates to the Draft process.
    I’m also gonna suggest, that LMJ would have been a selection influenced by Harbaugh, simply because of comments written, that Harbaugh was victimized by LMJ when facing him vs Oregon, ergo, give me a weapon like that and watch what we can do.

    Assuming there is the quintessential power struggle taking place, about who builds the roster, I’d give leverage to the GM over the HC.
    Harbaugh may feel his recruiting acumen can translate to the Pro level, however, Baalke’s career resume as a Scout holds more water for me.

    Many a Type-A HC feels he’s capable of mastering the entire process.
    History has shown that, while having the ability to recruit numerous HS Blue Chippers, with bountiful roster depth afforded at the Collegiate level, it isn’t quite so simple when Draft Picks are brought in with expectations to produce quickly .

  38. NJ49er says:

    The Harbaugh/Carroll dynamic is one that will define this Division.
    Neither guy wants to concede an inch to the other.

    Fact remains, Harbaugh lost to Carroll.
    Whether Harbaugh feels he deserves equal, or better compensation than Pete, is irrelevant.
    Pete won, Jim lost.

    I can’t buy the argument that Jed should hand Jim a blank check Spit.
    Like any negotiation, there needs to be incentive based expectations applied.
    Player or Coach wants X, Team wants Y. Team pays for results, not expectations.
    Use an average number for HCs with Playoff appearances, with an incentive, to achieve the numbers paid to HCs with the Lombardi hardware in their possession.

    • 12th man says:

      Agree NJ finding players is the GM’s job. Harbaugh needs to stick to coaching.

      • Finding players fine. Actually signing them = the Trigger can be Jimi’s deal w/ Paraag’s + Baalke’s input. Why “should” Jimi stick to coaching? Bruised feelings for the GM? Big deal. Win the big one, this current shit is not working = historical fact.

        Fix it Jed

      • Spitblood says:

        Harbaugh doesn’t just need to stick to coaching. Jed’s first comments when they hired Jim were right, “I need a GM and HC who work together lock step.” The two jobs bleed into one another. Trouble is I’m betting the relationship between Harabaugh and Baalke is past repair. Jim Harbaugh is the one who wins that battle. What did ESPN write earlier? “The 49ers need Jim Harbaugh more than Jim Harbaugh needs the 49ers.” Baalke’s gotta go. Bring in a puppet for Jim to evaluate talent and do what Jim says. Why? Because first off Jim can evaluate talent. He did it at Stanford…. and well. Think Andrew Luck’s pretty good? But secondly you chose Jim over Trent because Jim is much more of a limited commodity. Again…. the ESPN quote….. “The 49ers need Jim Harbaugh more than Jim Harbaugh needs the 49ers.” If Jed York lets Harbaugh go, it’ll be a black mark against Jed for the rest of his life.

  39. unca_chuck says:

    Well the only thing with that is that this might be about Baalke’s job, not about money. As in Jim wants more control over the draft and personnel decisions. I’m sure everyone goes into lockdown mode now, so we won’t hear anything for a while.

    I had $7.5 mill as his number. That’s near the top of all the coaches out there, and Fisher’s getting $7 mill from the Rams, so that sounds about right. Just get something done. If he wants to be the highest paid coach, what’s another $500,000? $8 mill? Fuck I don’t care. None of this is cap money so give him $7.75 . . .

    • 12th man says:

      Sean Payton is the high water mark at 8 mil but just to put it in perspective, Harbaugh gets 5 mil, to go past 8 is an incredible jump and he has a total of 3 years in the NFL and has not won a SB. Reid and Belichick at 7.5 and pete the cheat, fischer and Shanny are next at 7.
      Does Harbaugh really deserve to be paid more than 8 mil?

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s just it Chuck, I don’t think this is completely about his salary.
      The FO dynamic is such that the GM is the architect.
      Upsetting that dynamic is tantamount to roster suicide.

      Ego’s are a tough thing to reign in once out of control.
      It’s a chemistry thing.
      I’m confident that Baalke has the eye for the talent aspect of this roster, as he’s largely put this thing together.

      We’ll see whether cooler heads prevail here.

  40. NJ49er says:

    12th that’s the headscratcher here, for me anyway.
    Is it about salary or control?

    I’m with Baalke, seeing as he’s got a track record of talent evaluation as a Scout.

    Sure, Harbaugh has an opinion and, likely believes his ways are best but, this involves structure and focus to maintain a competitive roster.
    Especially with the Cap complications that play a heavy role in the equation.

    • 12th man says:

      I think it’s both NJ. Harbs is a classic control freak and that has been his MO. I also think he needs to feed his ego with a bigger contract than the FO is willing to give absent a SB win.

      If it comes down to a choice I believe they will keep Baalke and can Harbaugh but I don’t think they want to make a choice. It will be up to Harbaugh to decide just how much he is willing to settle for. I don’t see the FO taking any personnel power away from Baalke or them paying Harbs what he apparently wants. Is Harbs wiling to settle for less or roll the dice on this season and hope he has more leverage next go around?

      • Why wouldn’t they give Jimi the “trigger” on who to sign? Baalke’s hurt feelings this time? I don’t get it please explain why York will alienate the $5 million man over GM at whatever lesser salary? Control proxy for Jed to be the biggest big shot? Pretty piss poor reason if so. Is Jed so addicted to control that he will “can” Jimi when Jimi wants more control?

        Suicidal methinks

      • NJ49er says:

        That would be the rational choice for me too 12th.
        HC salaries aren’t Cap influenced.
        Jed would be likely be thrilled to pay Jim for the hardware, it’s what this game is all about.

        I’m on the Baalke side of this dilema as well.
        Jim is one competive SOB.
        It works on the field, not so much in the FO.

      • 12th man says:

        I just read your boy Archer ran the 40 in the least amount of steps (18) tying the record with Megatron. Amazing for a kid his size to have that stride length.

      • NJ49er says:

        Am I too high on this kid 12th?
        I think he’s an absolute nightmare to contend with.
        Like he’s shot from a cannon.

        Tavon Autin without the 1st RD money.
        Draft him! 😀

      • 12th man says:

        Phil, just because the HC wants the say over personnel is not a reason to give it. The team was built by pro GM’s and it is top notch. A college coach jumps to the NFL to a loaded team and does well with it for 3 years while the GM continues adding pieces to it and you think it’s a good idea to just hand him the keys? What do you base your decision on? Harbs also has conflict with Marathe, maybe Harbs should negotiate contracts too?
        The organization has structure and the HC has his place in it. He needs to turn down the ego and coach his team and worry more about play calling, calling time outs and not being a dick to the ref’s, stuff like that.

      • 12th man says:

        If he can be had in the 3rd I take him, my fear is will they use him?

      • Spitblood says:

        You base this decision on the team Jim Harbaugh built at Stanford. Stanford was nothing, then Harbaugh came along and took a school with limited scholarships because of standard and actually competed with the rest of the nation while being handicapped. Harbaugh recruited them. That’s what you base your decision on. And he won an Orange Bowl. How often do Standford teams win Bowl games?

      • 12th axed: “Phil, just because the HC wants the say over personnel is not a reason to give it. The team was built by pro GM’s and it is top notch.”

        And 12 it is a proven fact this team cannot win the big one as currently built. Who is willing to see it happen AGAIN in 2014? Certainly not Jimi who a resourceful, successful football man.

        See also Spit’s recap of Harbaugh’s track record above for the rest of my case which I now rest.

      • 12th man says:

        I need to take a walk around the block because I take exception to you calling me a liar? I provided proof what I said was true, did I miss your apology somehow or are you just too small to give it?
        College and Pro is not the same animal. Is there a current successful HC wearing the GM hat also? There is a reason for that.

      • 12th man says:

        Trying to follow your logic Phil. The Niners have arguably the best roster in the NFL and you somehow believe Harbaugh can do better? Even better is that the lack of winning the SB you somehow attribute to Baalke? Seriously?

      • NJ49er says:

        Phil it’s also plausible, that we didn’t win the big one because Kaep is locked onto Crabtree, in the biggest play of the bigger games?
        That can be evenly argued that Coaching isn’t providing better options too.

        It’s a rough situation.
        Let’s just hope they sort this out, without sinking the ship in the process.

      • Spitblood says:

        You’re right, 12th. College and the pros aren’t the same…. except you have one problem there…. and his name is Andrew Luck.

      • 12th man says:

        Owen Marecic, Doug Baldwin? One superb athlete, a once in a generation guy is how he was described, That’s your raison detr’e ?.

        You have your opinion, I have mine.

    • Spitblood says:

      Doug Baldwin is doing great with Seattle. From what I’ve read, Owen Marecic decided to step away from the game because he was worried about head trauma. That’s a very real concern for a FB who really doesn’t make much money. Risk / reward wasn’t there. He consulted Harbaugh.

      There’s a long list of talented Stanford players in the NFL who Harbaugh recruited, but the bottom line is that Harbaugh recruited and got Andrew Luck, and he developed him. But feel free to dismiss this to continue to build your argument.

      • 12th man says:

        As usual you missed the point but I’ve run out of crayons for one night.

      • Spitblood says:

        I didn’t miss your point. I made a new one. New point: Plenty of Stanford players, who Harbaugh recruited, have gone on to have great NFL careers, thus making a good case for Harbaugh to be given more of a job as talent elevator. You keep giving me a voice. Thank you.

  41. Having The Say / The Trigger over who is on the team, who gets drafted, who suits up and plays are different issues from how much we pay players vs available cap space. Paraag needs to say “Jimi you spent all yer allowance and you can’t have the little doggie in the window this year”. Baalke is a good talent evaluator (except WRs)? Fine, evaluate, consult, recommend. Who we draft and sign does not need to be his deal. It can very well be Jimi’s. We win a SB then JH is a genius. If not then are we worse off than now? I say no, not worse off but Jimi got his chance and maybe plays more players someone else drafted. He signs for 5 more years and we have a much better shot at winning # VI. Present structure is not working to win it all = a proven fact. NOT working to win it all period. Why would that change w/ current arrangement? Don’t think so and neither does Jimi. Baalke of course does. But we know the history as currently configured. Plus Hendrix is not signing (and no one else at the moment)

    Baalke doesn’t like it, tough. He’s not the one getting paid $7-8 mil a year to win games. Hendrix is. Seattle will grab him but oh well

  42. Reposting:

    Having The Say / The Trigger over who is on the team, who gets drafted, who suits up and plays are different issues from how much we pay players vs available cap space. Paraag needs to say “Jimi you spent all yer allowance and you can’t have the little doggie in the window this year”. Baalke is a good talent evaluator (except WRs)? Fine, evaluate, consult, recommend. Who we draft and sign does not need to be his deal. It can very well be Jimi’s. We win a SB then JH is a genius. If not then are we worse off than now? I say no, not worse off but Jimi got his chance and maybe plays more players someone else drafted. He signs for 5 more years and we have a much better shot at winning # VI. Present structure is not working to win it all = a proven fact. NOT working to win it all period. Why would that change w/ current arrangement? Don’t think so and neither does Jimi. Baalke of course does. But we know the history as currently configured. Plus Hendrix is not signing (and no one else at the moment)

    Baalke doesn’t like it, tough. He’s not the one getting paid $7-8 mil a year to win games. Hendrix is. Seattle will grab him but oh well

    • NJ49er says:

      Each facet of the FO has an important role Phil.
      Each guy compliments the other, with the ultimate goal of maintaining structure.

      Hard to know what the root of the problem is here, as the media isn’t sitting in the room with these guys.

      I’m leaning toward a clash of ego’s here.
      A good GM isn’t something that comes easy, if I had to choose a side.
      HCs are a dime-a-dozen too.
      We have a good combination, or so it would seem.
      Hate to see it dissolved.

      Harmony and common purpose makes a team competitive.
      Just hope it’s ironed out in an amicable way.

      • Naw I don’t buy it. GM can recommend just fine without having the Trigger on who to sign. Singletary had this as HC but Jimi’s not good enough?? Laff!

        No harmony in FO under current situation. Fact. No Harbaugh extension. Fact. No winning the big one. Fact X3.

        But let’s just let the situation continue and poor little Baalke ‘n Jed’s feelings be spared?

        Joke, right? No, change needs to happen w/ Jimi on the trigger and in control making $7+ mil/year.

        Fix it Jed

      • Spitblood says:

        Jim needs a puppet GM like Singletary was afforded. Micheal Lombardi wouldn’t be my first choice, but Lombardi and Harbaugh would get a long…. and they would dictate to Paraage. This is the kind of relationship that needs to happen in Santa Clara. However, Lombardi isn’t the talent evaluator that Baalke is.

        The key question that needs to be asked is what’s the difference between a grouping like Harbaugh and Lombardi or Baalke and Tomsula? Who wins more games? In my opinion, Harbaugh and Lombardi dominate Baalke and Tomsula.

  43. Spitblood says:

    In my opinion, Jed York let Mike Singletary force Scot McCloughan out…. and right before the draft. And that’s Singletary. He sucked. Why wouldn’t York let Harbaugh move Baalke? I really can’t fathom Jed York siding this time with Trent Baalke over an actual good coach when Eddie let Bill Walsh walk and letting Walsh walk might be a bigger factor that keeps Eddie D out of the HOF than his gambling issue. If Eddie worked it out with Bill, and they won six or seven Super Bowls together (which they could have if Eddie didn’t put too much pressure on Bill), Eddie could run the mafia and still make the HOF. Maybe not, but stressing Bill out so much that he wanted to retire was a huge mistake that hopefully Jed York can fix, unlike uncle Eddie.

    But I will say this much – If Jed York has let this fester this much, which he clearly has, Jed York’s an idiot. Everyone’s calling this “the worst kept secret in the NFL.” This has been going on a for quite a while and Jed never fixed it. In my eyes, that’s a huge problem. To me, that’s on Jed York and I’m not real happy about it. Jed said, “I want a HC and GM who work together in lock step.” The aren’t, and that’s creating huge problems with not only the talent acquisition, but also the overall team philosophies.

    I’m sure there have been dysfunctional organizations that won Super Bowls together, but it’s not a plan for sustainability or longevity. My sincere hope is that Jim Harbaugh and Jed York move Trent Baalke out and at some point Jim Harbaugh realizes that it was a mistake to do so. I think that’s the best course of action. Move Trent, find another talent elevator (and Harbaugh can evaluate talent), keep Harbaugh forever, and then when Harbaugh’s old and has perspective he can claim moving Trent was a mistake. But don’t lose Harbaugh. No matter what. Don’t lose that guy.

    • NJ49er says:

      Spit I liken this to my younger Son, who thinks he’s entitled to everything I pay for, because he grew up in my house.
      There’s a structure, pecking order if you will.
      As with my kid, who also doesn’t like being told what to do, things are accomplished when everyone does his share.

      Harbaugh is a worthy and capable HC, no argument.
      I just don’t think he’s accomplished enough to justify giving him more control, if that’s what he’s seeking.

      Baalke evaluates the talent, slots the Picks, acquires the talent.
      It’s Jims’ job to elevate their game and win on Sunday.
      Sure, each guy is important, just do what you’re capable of doing, nothing more, nothing less.
      Win the SB, establish leverage.

      • Spitblood says:

        NJ – No offense, but that’s not right.

        Harbaugh’s job bleeds into Baalke’s. That’s why, when Harbaugh was hired, Jed said he wanted a HC and GM working in “lockstep” together. Their jobs overlap each other, they have to. Harbaugh is the more valued and limited commodity, so Harbaugh wins the power struggle because Jed can afford to lose Baalke, but he CANNOT afford to lose Harbaugh. ESPN said on the front of their NFL page, “The 49ers need Jim Harbaugh more than Jim Harbaugh needs the 49ers.” Why? Because Jed York has no clue.

      • Let’s see, Hendrix built USD, Stanford and the woeful 9ers all into powers. Now they reach a ceiling and fail 3 X winning the big one- but we don’t have enough evidence he’s worthy of as much power Jed was willing to give Singletron? Or not enough evidence Jimi knows something about acquiring talent, building programs and winning?

        Really NJ? So what does Jimi have to do to build yer confidence?

        I’m quite confident he’s da Man and Baalke needs to step aside or out whatever. Bring in Mike Lombardi or someone who can work with Jimi. I’m quite confident we’re not winning the big one they way the FO is now. I’m not willing to “give it one more year the way it is” and see if we get lucky.

        Fix it Jed

    • 100% agree: Good recap of the York failure to address this dysfunctional relationship. Just do it Jed! Jaysus already man.

      Here’s the fix: “My sincere hope is that Jim Harbaugh and Jed York move Trent Baalke out and at some point Jim Harbaugh realizes that it was a mistake to do so. I think that’s the best course of action. Move Trent, find another talent elevator (and Harbaugh can evaluate talent), keep Harbaugh forever, and then when Harbaugh’s old and has perspective he can claim moving Trent was a mistake. But don’t lose Harbaugh. No matter what. Don’t lose that guy.”

      Is Jed suicidal as regards our favorite team (and his)? Give up the control issue son and we can all move forward. Let’s not experience another York failure to know what’s best for the Niners!

      • NJ49er says:

        Truthfully, I don’t think Jed wants to decide between them.
        Ideally he’d find a way to settle the squabble for the good of the team.
        The mediator role.

        Nobody wins in a death duel of this sort.
        It cripples progress.

        Good owners allow the football decisions to be made by football people.
        His job is to get the house in order.

        Eddie interfered with Bill Spit, created yet another dimension of stress that didn’t need to be applied.
        It’s not the Eddi era any longer. You can’t scream and rant and meddle as he did, because talent can’t just be bought off the street at any price.
        Today’s structure is too complex and unforgiving when mistakes are made.

        If Baalke blew too many Picks I’d cite him as a problem within the process.
        Thus far, his track record speaks for itself.
        Our roster is deep and talented now.

        My vote is not to upset the structure.
        Players play. Coaches coach.
        If Paraag squandered Cap space on deadbeat Contracts, he’d be replaced too.
        Each guy has a job to do.

        One HC can’t rewrite the business model.

      • Spitblood says:

        One would think, Phil, that Eddie D would pull Jed York aside and say to him…. “Look, I lost Bill and people never forgot that I couldn’t make it work with Bill. We could have won 10 Super Bowls together with patience and communication. Don’t lose Jim Harbaugh like I lost Bill Walsh.” I would sincerely hope that Eddie would have this conversation with his nephew.

        And you know what? I guarantee next year Jim Harbaugh will be the coach of the 49ers. So that means that over the course of an entire year, Jed York gets to hear it from fans that letting Jim Harbaugh go would be the worst mistake of Jed York’s lifetime. It’ll take Jed some time to figure it out. But eventually the court of public opinion will decide in favor of Jim Harbaugh over Trent Baalke.

      • Spitblood says:

        NJ – That’s all well and good, and I agree with you that ideally everyone gets a long. But what if Harbaugh and Baalke never again get along? That’s not sustainable. And I agree Jed doesn’t want to make that decision. But if Jed has to, down the road, Baalke’s gone. 49er fans won’t let Jed move Harbaugh.

      • NJ49er says:

        Nothing gets accomplished until everyone understands his place Spit.
        Jed has to get this situation focused on the common goal.

        It’s been a disappointment to get to the summit, only to be stopped short.
        Jed is paying both guys to win.
        If harmony and focus can’t be restored, futher turmoil is the only option.

        If it’s simply about salary, I’d say Jed could easily fix it with a bump and added incentives.
        I think it’s more than that.

        This is about settling the differences, which a good Owner has to do.
        Call a sit-down, scream it out, get back to doing what got them here.

        Team Work.

  44. 12 sez mysteriously;

    “12th man says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:07 am
    I need to take a walk around the block because I take exception to you calling me a liar? I provided proof what I said was true, did I miss your apology somehow or are you just too small to give it?”

    12 what are you referring to here? I have no idea. You call me out for calling you a “liar” WTF?

    Relax, we disagree on the GM issue

    • Spitblood says:

      Phil, 12th was talking to me. Hopefully he did take that walk…..

    • 12th man says:

      Not you Phil, Spitty here called me a liar twice because he couldn’t find an article I referred to so I posted it for him.
      I don’t mind a disagreement or differing point of view but take exception to being called a liar in an effort to dismiss what I said. Its cheap.

    • Oh 12 was talking to Spit. lol. Nevermind

      • Spitblood says:

        What’s fun (secretly, between you and me, Phil) is that 12th got into the name calling business, took offense, then tried to take the high road looking for an apology. That, to me, is a good time. But I’ll admit I’m demented.

      • Maybe but yer sober too my friend. Well 12s okay, yer okay, I’m okay, Dennis is so-so…

      • Spitblood says:

        So you’re saying I need to be better than that? Could be… Could be…

      • 12th man says:

        Find a name I called you Spit. Nearest to anything like that is I said you are being naive.

        The reason you decided I was lying is because you couldn’t find the quote I referenced and it is unfathomable to you that the Browns didn’t offer a first for Harbaugh so you decided I was piling on and lying.

        I don’t have to satisfy you of anything. I have satisfied myself of the events that led to this “revelation” of Baalke and Marathe not getting along that Kawakami reported on in December.
        You don’t want to believe it OK.

      • 12th man says:

        Should read Baalke and Marathe not getting along with Harbaugh.

  45. NJ49er says:

    Baalke has proven to be a pretty masterful talent at handling the Draft process too.
    Look around the League at guys that have Drafted high for a number of years yet, can’t make any progress.
    Holmgren thought he was invincible at one point too.
    Demanded, and received ultimate control in Seattle after successes in GB.
    It’s not a simple process.

    Coaching is a full time job.
    Focus on doing it completely and properly.
    Jim has missed the prize 3 years running.
    It’s great to be there but, improvements have to be made.
    That’s on Baalke and Harbaugh.

    Suck it up, shake the other guys’ hand and, get back to work.

  46. Spitblood says:

    Harbaugh and Lombardi, or Baalke and Tomsula? I’ll take Harbaugh and Lombardi every day of the week and twice on Sunday….. when it counts.

    • Spitblood says:

      Looks like 12th doesn’t want to take this one on….

      • NJ49er says:

        How many College coaches would jump at the opportunity Harbaugh was given with this roster?
        It’s almost a no-brainer.
        SF is a top tier franchise with good depth and no Cap constraints.

        Take a look at Jerruh in Dallas.
        He’s something like $20M OVER the Cap, changing coaches like he changes his mind.

        There’s dysfunction and then there’s Dallas.
        Ego’s have no place in this game.

    • NJ49er says:

      Lombardi the trophy? Me too.
      Lombardi of the Raiders and Browns?
      Not exactly high-holy NFL ground in my book Spit.

      Lombardi benefitted from his time in SF. Pre Salary Cap.
      When Drafting wasn’t as big a piece of overall success as it is now.
      Eddie bought many of those Lombardi’s with FA talent.

      Since then?
      TV and not much more of any significance.

      IMO, GMs are the tougher piece to replace.
      Let’s hope neither piece has to be replaced.

      • Spitblood says:

        Sweet Christmas, NJ. Just pick one. I didn’t ask for your recap of the man’s credentials. You know good god damn well I’m referring to Micheal Lombardi of the NFL Network and Cleveland Brown. Now pick. Lombardi and Harbaugh or Baalke and Tomsula? Don’t make me take a walk….

      • NJ49er says:

        LOL Spit, relax Brother, you know what I’m saying.

        My GM is Baalke.
        If you have to go to Tomsula, so be it.
        Harbaugh might be overplaying his hand at this point.

        They need to duke this thing out and realize, it doesn’t get much better then it is right now in SF.

        I vote for scheduling a Festivus moment before the Draft.
        A traditional ‘Airing of Grievances’ dinner with Jed and Staff would do the trick.

      • Lol. But it’s coming because this is not getting resolved. Jed needs to step up

      • NJ49er says:

        Maybe Jed needs to cut that Festivus Pole into a couple of 3′ lengths and beat some sense into his GM and HC before the appetizers arrive?

        A true Spitblood moment.
        Knock a little sense into his upper management duo and get them back to work.

      • I’m up fer it NJ. Chuck should issue them around here as well!

  47. Spitblood says:

    GMs are the tougher pieces to replace? Horse cookies! Jim Caldwell, Ken Whizzerhurts and Mike Pettini? Those are your recent NFL hires.

    Right now we could grab Micheal Lombardi, Scot McCloughan, Scott Pioli (who build the Chiefs and is now with the Falcons) and if I did research I could easily find you five or even ten more good GM candidates. You can’t say the same for head coaches in the NFL.

    Lombardi and Harbaugh or Baalke and Tomsula? Pick.

    • Spitblood says:


    • NJ49er says:

      Why not throw Mike Tannenbaum in there too.
      Very few GMs get recycled.
      Once they’re cast aside, as was the case with Pioli and Tannenbaum, there’s the realization that they failed miserably at doing what they were initially hired to do.

      Tannenbaum Cap strapped the NYJ with guaranteed Contracts AND, Sanchez and Tebow.
      Pioli couldn’t Draft the proper pieces. Traded a Pick for Matt Cassel too.

      I’ll take Baalke if forced to take a side.

      Chip Kelly proved he can Coach, as did Harbaugh.
      There’s plenty of Coaches to pick from.
      Fewer options at GM.

      • Spitblood says:

        Scot Pioli couldn’t draft the proper pieces? 3/5th of the Chiefs’ starting O line was drafted by Pioli. He drafted McCluster, Hemingway, Jackson, Poe, and Berry. He wasn’t great, but Pioli and Harbaugh would dominate Baalke and Tomsula. Plus we’d keep our coaching staff together.

      • Spitblood says:

        Don’t you mean “Why not muddy the water with Tannenbaum? Hell, while we’re at it, let’s offer up Jeff Ireland. That way we can really muddy the water.

      • Spitblood says:

        “There’s plenty of Coaches to pick from.
        Fewer options at GM.”

        Okay, NJ. Let’s research two lists. Your top ten head coaches who could be available today to replace Harbaugh vs my top ten GMs who could be available today to replace Baalke. These guys can’t make lateral moves. They have to get promoted. And a college job to an NFL job is considered a promotion. You ready?

      • NJ49er says:

        I’m not keanly aware of the talent in terms of College Coaches Spit.
        Safe to say it’s more of a gamble to recycle a GM IMO.
        Give me your assessment and I’ll give it some thought as to who I’d consider beyond Tomsula.

      • Spitblood says:

        No, no, no….saying you’re not aware only proves my point. There aren’t any good head coaching candidates out there. And surely, with your reseach skills, you can find a good head coaching candidate, or ten. I can find ten good GMs with some research. I promise you that. But you and I need to do it together. I’m not producing a list and having you shred it to pieces like you just did with Pioli. Grow a pair and do some reseach, or you prove my point.

      • Spitblood says:

        I’ll put together my list. You put together your list.

  48. Yes everyone should do their job HC+GM+salary cap dude but where we are now is Jimi’s not happy and so far there is no agreement on extension and whatever else. If Jimi wants more power/control in drafting certain player I say give it to him so he will actually play LMJ for example and gives us a better chance to win DO IT. Current structure is dysfunctional and it’s not going to change w/o changes being made. Going back to same old same old will not produce better results. This is a suggestion to address another problem area for us. We have discussed our limitations in passing O, play calling, cap space etc and this is one more limitation.

    A mentioned our #1 issue is making Jimi happy in a reasonable way that works for the team and the rest will take care of itself. At this point for the reasons mentioned elsewhere I do not see us progressing without the baalkebaugh power struggle being resolved. Jed doesn’t want to lose Baalke but he’s going to have to make a choice before he loses Jimi.

    We’re too dysfunctional to win it all at = from the top = HC/GM relationship

  49. Spitblood says:

    NJ, NJ, NJ…. what am I going to do with you? You’re taking Baalke and Tomsula over Harbaugh and Lombardi? That’s beneath you, brother I honestly thought better of you. I know you love the draft, so do I. And this love for the draft could be clouding your Baalke judgement, but I could name 10 GMs to replace Baalke and that would dwarf you list of 10 head coaching candidates to replace Harbaugh. I’ve already given three who could rival Baalke, but you’ve given me none who could rival Harbaugh. What’s my point? Harbaugh’s the better man.

    • NJ49er says:

      Spit they’re both worth their weight to this team.

      All kidding aside, it sounds like a good old fashioned power struggle is ensuing.
      Jed has to get these guys focused.
      Remind them that no one wins if they lose focus onthe team.

      I’ll remain optimistic that cooler heads will prevail.

  50. NoFear49er says:

    The question at the heart of the current debate is who is the ultimate authority in the organiztion. The head coach, the GM or the President? Whoever it is, apparently Jed in this instance, needs to better define the roles of the others.

    Whatever the extent of Harbaugh’s authority, I believe his first and most important job is to coach. IOW teach or more accurately, supervise the teaching. Does anyone think his job of ensuring that the players are learning to perform their assignments is so complete that he needs more things to occupy himself with?
    I don’t.

    Does anyone think that the players he had available to teach and play were lacking talent and lacking to the point of being the reason we couldn’t win? I don’t. And I’d suggest the games which ended our Harbaugh seasons were not lost because we just didn’t have the right players.

    As 12th man and NJ49er have already asserted, just coaching the players we have is plenty for a head coach to handle. And I’m pretty sure he himself has found it necessary on ocassion to admonish his players, “just do your job and let the guy next to you do his.” I think it’s advise he could take to heart.

    Many have loudly and often objected to our failure to develop or use younger players who should have been able to make an impact but couldn’t get playing time. Do they now think that was Baalke’s fault?

    Lots of coaches with more pelts on the wall than Harbaugh aren’t causing hate and discontent over wanting more power and over folks that by all accounts are pretty good at their jobs, too.

    Get ahead of this one, Jed and handle it. -Papa

    • Spitblood says:

      I agree with everything you just wrote, NoFear. However, it doesn’t get to the heart of the issue. The heart of the issue is sustainability. Can these guys work together for the length of Colin Kaepernick’s career? Do you know when Bill Belichick will retire? When Tom Brady does. If you have a super star qb, which takes years to find one, you ride that pony until the cows come home. Jed’s mission is to put the pieces around Colin Kaepernick for Kaep’s entire career. But I digress.

      The issue is sustainability. I agree, in a perfect world, Jed writes the checks, Jim coaches and Trent evaluates the talent. 100% in agreement with you. But if two guys don’t get along (two guys who absolutely must work together) then something’s gotta give.

      Kaep gonna be our qb for maybe fifteen years. Jim Harbaugh will coach for maybe 15 years. Better find a way to make that relationship your number one priority. You can always find another GM. A coach like Harbaugh only comes around once a decade. Actually, longer than a decade.

    • NJ49er says:

      Here, here NoFear49er.
      The old game of ‘who’s in charge of this dept?’

      FBI vs CIA.
      We go this far, they go from there.
      Get this sh!t ironed out.

      There’s a Draft to prepare for.
      If you’re not with us, you’re against us.
      Both guys on this end of the rope, 1..2..3.. PULL.

    • 12th man says:

      Nicely put NF.

  51. Spitblood says:

    In twenty five minutes, I’ve found five good GM candidates. Not a single retread. I’m going to blow your ass out of the water. “GMs are harder to find?” My ass.

    • NJ49er says:

      Go for it.
      Tannenbaum was doing the NFL Network circuit not long ago with Pioli, I’m sure they’re available.
      Just the same, I wouldn’t hire either of them.
      I’d take my chances with a deserving College Coach, even before I’d hire Chucky.

    • NJ49er says:

      I’m not one to shred someone’s efforts Spit.
      Just saying I don’t follow College programs like I follow the Pro game.
      I’ll do my due dilegence, and make a reasoned attempt.

      Christ, I’d take the SF GM job for pennies on the dollar if Jed would have me.

      You know me, I’m a Jr GM intern.
      Been doing it for years, for nothing other than my own enjoyment.
      Whatever Jed is paying Baalke, I’d do for half price.

      • NJ49er says:

        H3LL, I could do a better job than Jerruh is doing in Dallas.
        Problem there is, I’d purposely screw it up, just because it’s Jerruh’s team.
        No incentive for me there.

        Now, SF?
        I’m down for that action in a NY minute.

      • NJ49er says:

        Don’t forget to put me on your list. 😀

  52. NJ49er says:

    One guy I would consider off the top of my head, because NoFear49er reminded me of him on Skeebs’ site last week is, Charlie Weis.

    • Spitblood says:

      You’re gonna have to do better than Charlie Weis, son. I’ve got some dandies.

      • NJ49er says:

        You’re putting me on the spot Spit.
        My wheels are turning Brother.

        If I were the GM, I’d consider Berger as my Offensive Coordinator, since he seems to have an answer for the SCO.
        But, I’d have to have a HC in place first before that could occur.

        Tell you what would be interesting.
        Mike Leach reunited with Crabtree.
        Kaep would get to air it out with Leach and his favorite target.
        Instant Contract extensions.
        I’m thinking like a GM now.

  53. NJ49er says:

    Here’s a fast, though not necessarily complete list, of possible considerations for a replacement HC – In no particular order…..
    I would look to another NFL teams’ Coaching ranks too.
    Something I’d have to do some additional research on of course.

    Jim Tomsula – SF
    Rob Chudzinski
    Charlie Weis
    Kirk Ferentz – Iowa
    Brian Kelly – ND
    Bob Stoops – OK
    Chris Petersen – Boise St
    Les Miles – LSU
    Mike Leach – WA St
    Jimbo Fisher – FSU

    • Spitblood says:

      Tomsula’s an Arena League coach who knows the D line, but that’s about it. Rob Chudzinski was so good, Cleveland fired him. Charlie Weis isn’t even getting consideration in the NFL with current vacancies, and was fired from a college football job. Bob Stoops is vanilla. I have a buddy who went to Oklahoma and we’ve been watching and talking OU football since the Peterson days. Stoops hasn’t done much… even when the team was good. In my opinion, Les Miles is the only head coach on this list I’d even consider, and most of the time college coaches don’t make good NFL coaches. Harbaugh and Kelly are the exceptions, not the rule. Les would be a risk, but interesting.

      And I don’t think any one of the these guys could take the 49ers to the playoffs. Not if they had to out-fox Arians, Fisher and Carroll. No chance.

  54. Nipper says:

    No offense but if I was in charge you guys would be fired on the spot. Crying over a coach is ridiculous. If he wants more power let him WALK! To HELL with him! And PAY him what he wants so he can be happy? In the real world you guys would be eaten alive. Jed has to call the shots and knock some heads! If he can’t do it then he should resign forthwith.

    • NJ49er says:

      I think I’d say we agree there Nipper.
      Harbaugh was hired to Coach the roster Baalke largely assembled.
      Jed was put in place to manage the team.

      Jim, you Coach.
      Trent, you build and manitain the roster.
      Paraag, you work the Contracts with Trent.

      Got it?
      Get back to work.

    • NJ49er says:

      Order up 1 6′ Festivus Pole. Aluminum of course.
      Cut it into 2 3′ lengths.
      Arrange a dinner meeting, preferably a banquet hall with a dance floor.
      Jed invites, no, demands, attendance from Trent and Jim, maybe Paraag.

      Jed gets a stopwatch.
      Paraag gets a whistle.

      Trent gets 1 3′ piece of the Festivus Pole, Jim the other.

      Clear the dance floor.
      Jed sets the watch for 3 mins and orders appetizers.

      On Jed’s signal, Trent and Jim move to the dance floor, Fetivus Poles in hand.
      Jed sets time, Paraag whistles the end of the 3 min period on Jeds’ command.
      1..2..3, start swinging.

  55. Spitblood says:

    I’ll prioritize my list in the order I’d want them hired.

    1.) Eric DeCosta. Assistant GM to Baltimore Ravens. I read that DeCosta is Ozzie’s right hand man and certainly going to get a GM job soon. Even Ozzie credits him for playing a significant role in the Ravens’ two Super Bowls. Harbaugh connection. The two would probably get along.
    2.) Marc Ross. New York Giants Vice President of Player Evaluations. Youngest college director ever in the NFL with Eagles at 27, now 40 years old. Credited by current Giants’ GM, Jerry Reese, as being responsible for finding Hakeem Nicks, Jason Piere Paul, Mario Manningham and unrestricted free agent, Victor Cruz.
    3.) Matt Russell. Director of Player Personnel for Denver. Highly thought of by John Elway. San Diego wanted them as the GM when they fired AJ Smith. Denver blocked them from hiring him because they were in the same division.
    4.) Tom Gable. We all know him. Currently Director of Pro Personnel in Philly. Recently interviewed for both the Bucs and Dolphins jobs.
    5.) Omar Khan, Pittsburgh’s Director of Football Admin. Previously worked as a scout for the Saints.
    6.) David Caldwell. Director of Player Personnel, Falcons. Interviewed for Colts’ GM job,. Working with Pioli and Dimitroff. Article I read about quoted another GM outside the Falcons organization as saying, “He’s the best GM candidate out there right now.”
    7.) Steve Keim: Cardinals Vice President of Player Personnel. Interviewed recently for the Rams GM job.
    8.) Jon Robinson, Director of college scouting, Patriots. Worked under Pioli and Dimitroff during the Patriots’ heyday.
    9.) Tag Ribary (sp?). Current Seattle Director of Pro Personnel. Pro and college scouting experience with Redskins with Gibbs and Panthers with Dom Capers.
    10.) Two guys with the Packers. John Dorsey, Director of Football Operations, and Brian Gutekunst. Gutekunst was hired by Ron Wolf, and recently promoted to current position.

    All of these guys have a ton of experience and haven’t been given the chance to be GMs…. yet. Most of these guys, with the one exception that I know of being Tag Ribary (sp?) are young, up and coming GMs who just haven’t gotten their chance yet. A lot like Trent Baalke three years ago…..

    Trent Baalke’s 2012 Draft:
    1: WR A.J. Jenkins — Illini
    2: RB LaMichael James — Ore
    4: OL Joe Looney — Wake Forest
    5: LB Darius Fleming — ND
    6: S Trenton Robinson — Mich St
    6: OL Jason Slowey — W Ore
    7: DE Cam Johnson — Va

    Jim Harbaugh is a once in a decade head coach. Trent Baalke is not a once in a decade GM.

    • NJ49er says:

      OK Spit, good effort.
      Lets see how that plays out.

      I don’t fault Baalke for a few missed Picks. Happens to all of them.

      By and large, his resume is solid.
      We’re in contention, getting better since he took over.
      Can’t say the same for guys like Dimitroff, Pioli or Tannebaum.

      A noble effort on your part however.

      • Spitblood says:

        By and Large, Trent Baalke has drafted three starting players in three years, and two of those three were Jim Harbaugh picks in Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid. The other was a top ten selection which better be a starter in Aldon Smith. And you think Baalke’s the irreplaceable one? I don’t. Baalke’s good, but he’s not great. Jim Harbaugh has greatness in him.

  56. NJ49er says:

    What’s largely ovelooked in our scenario Spit, is the condition of our Cap, youth on the roster and, additional Picks at our disposal.
    We’re solid in the FO in those terms.

    It appears to be, as NoFear49er and I have asserted, that Jed has to bring these 2 into line.

    Air it out, identify the grievances, find common ground.
    Baalke built the foundation.
    It’s upon Harbaugh and his Staff to get this thing functional.

    You can’t be autonomous in this business and expect to succeed, as Jim seems to suggest.

  57. Spitblood says:

    Actually, forget about seeing if they can get along. FIRE TRENT BAALKE NOW!!!!!

  58. NJ49er says:

    Baalke turned Alex into 2 additional Picks while lowering the Cap in the process.
    He got Picks for several other Draftees that didn’t cut it either.

    There’s a ton more involved with the GM position than the HC has to be concerned with.
    Teams fail more often when the GM fails.
    The survival rate doesn’t suffer as much with the change at HC.

    In a perfect world, the GM hires the HC, as was the case with Harbaugh.
    Let’s hope it gets worked out.
    We’re making progress, despite the current turmoil.

    • Spitblood says:

      Complete horseshit. Harbaugh turned Alex into two picks by rejuvenating his career. Without Harbaugh, Smith was worth nothing. And Harbaugh lead the way towards telling the NFL Smith would stay on the roster if the 49ers were compensated. Remember Harbaugh saying “We have the best qb situation in the NFL?” That was all Harbaugh.

  59. NoFear I do think that if the HC and GM have serious problems- and ours certainly appear to- in their relations then yes it will affect who gets on the field and who plays. The players become pawns in their power struggle, proxies in their ego contest: Possible examples- “I’m not playing Ginn, Moss, AJJ, because I wanted brand ABC and you got this guy instead. So F you Mr GM, eat it”. Is that Baalke’s “fault”? No but it can easily be seen to be a negative result of two Alpha types struggling fer dominance/control. To the detriment of the product on the field. Seriously impacting our performance and unfortunately limiting our overall prospects when it counts most- in big games.

    Fact is we (I) don’t know what it is that Jimi wants but whatever it is (control of what?) IMO Jed needs to give JH as much as he possibly and reasonably can. Jimi Hendrix is the irreplaceable piece in this equation. And No he shouldn’t take on all the GM duties all by his little lonesome. Walsh did it but it wasn’t sustainable or wasn’t good enough fer Unca Eddie. Singletron was handed “the trigger” on final say on who is on roster- Jed’s hand picked coach- but Jimi won’t get this courtesy? If this is what he wants.

    Why not? Because of Baalke’s need to control this area? If indeed this is what the fight- and they ARE indeed fighting over some such issue- is about. Sweeping it under the rug is not going to work for another year. Because it is a major weakness, these two guys turf war, and weaknesses get exposed in big games as we have seen. My thesis is that we’re not winning any big games until this is ironed out. I’m for NoWeaknesses NF especially major issues like this

  60. unca_chuck says:

    Harbaugh certainly seems to be ruffling feathers all over the place. Including Marathe’s for whatever reason. He’s done a very good job of keeping the team out from under outlandish contracts, and keeping the guys worthy of staying. Losing Goldson (which I was totally behind) worked in spades with the drafting of Reid. Losing Saop I wasn’t thwat keen on, but the line play was generally fine and didn’t suffer a drop off despite the rookies Dial and Tank not doing much.

    The point being, all these guys have done very well. They’ve also come up short at times. I’ve been saying for a little while that the team is at a crossroads identity-wise, and it appears that the identity crisis may be at the crux of the power play. Which direction do they build the team? If Harbaugh and Baalke can’t come up with a cogent plan that they can both live with, this shit will tear itself apart in a very short time.

    Someone (Jed) needs to get them in a room and hash this shit out. With Marage as well. The thing is, very few guys can successfully do what Harbaugh appears to want to do. And that’s to run everything. He wants to be GM, HC, and OC. Walsh nearly killed himself trying to do it, and Eddie did him a favor by taking the GM duties out of his hands. Holmgren failed miserably in his attempt. Big Tuna was successful, but he alienated everyone around him as well. Jim needs to chiilax and take a look at the bigger picture.

    • Spitblood says:

      I don’t know that I’m totally convinced that Harbaugh wants to be the GM. He might just not want to work with Baalke and have philosophical differences with Baalke and the Paraage. If that’s the case, and you cant get Harbaugh and the front office back on the same page, you fire the front office and let Harbaugh pick his front office guys. The more I think about it, the more I don’t think Harbaugh wants to be the GM.

      • Of course Harbaugh has no desire to become the GM. You think he wants to attend Khalil Mack’s pro day next week in Buffalo? Who wants to visit Buffalo in early March? Hell. No one wants to visit Buffalo any time of the year.

        This all boils down to one thing: Jim Harbaugh is an ego-maniacal self-important pompous prick. And that’s not going to change. Now or long after his coaching days are gone.

      • Spitblood says:

        Yes, Dennis, he is a prick. However, life is about change and growth, while having fun. Harbaugh will learn how to have fun and grow in the profession. I know you don’t see it, but he will. The tragedy might be him learning else- where while winning Super Bowls while we’re stuck with retread head coaches that Jed so insightfully picks – guys like Jim Tomsula (joke). I don’t agree with everything Harbaugh does, but he’s one hell of a coach, nobody can deny that. You don’t let him walk. You rearrange your front office and let him grow in the profession. Then one day, without a doubt in my mind, he’ll realize life’s too short to be a prick.

  61. unca_chuck says:

    Damn. You guys were up late . . .

    • 12th man says:

      Some later than others. Don’t know where all this goes but still expect to see a Harbaugh contract extension unless he really is trying to be the highest paid coach in which case I figure he coaches this year and does a deal with another team next off season. If the team wins a SB things could change.
      If it does go really badly this off season and the team has to make a choice my thinking is Harbaugh is gone. Popular opinion or not that is how I see it.

  62. unca_chuck says:

    So you think this is strictly about money, Spitty? Or is it that he wants more input? What does that even mean? If Jimbo wants to be the guy to pull the trigger, then he’s pretty much the GM. Yeah, there’s more to it, but personnel is the biggest part of the job. Give that to Harbaugh and you’ve cut Baalke off at the knees.

    I don’t buy that at all. Unless Young Sir Jed is low-balling up the ying yang, Harbaugh has held up his end of the deal pretty well, so he should be able to (reasonably) get what he wants. Nearly all of the $7 million coaches have rings. I think Fisher is one who doesn’t? I can’t rightly remember.

    Give him $7.5 for 3 and see what he says.

    • Spitblood says:

      I don’t think this is about money or a power struggle. I think this is about two guys with big egos who don’t get along. I don’t think Harbaugh wants to be the GM. I think the sticking point in the Harbaugh negotiations boil down to sustainability. How do two guys (or maybe three) who don’t like each other, work together and compete for Super Bowls? Money can be a band aid. More power can temporarily solve things. But ideally you have, like Jed York once said, two guys (GM and HC) who work well together, in “lock step” together. If that doesn’t happen with the current cast of characters (eventually it must for sustainability) it will eventually appear to the outside world as a power struggle. But I don’t think that’s the case. I don’t think Harbaugh would give an ultimatum, saying “It’s him or me.” I just think Harbaugh would say, “I don’t like the front office’s approach,” and let Jed then sort out the particulars, trying to create sustainability – however Jed chooses. I think Jed will eventually put all three in a room together to try and sort things out so that the organization can heal itself. Jed has a ton of resources. Whether or not the relationship with head coach and front office can be repaired remains in serious doubt. If it can’t be, you lose Baalke and bring in a guy Harbaugh works well with, and I believe, if that happened, eventually Harbaugh would admit he was too difficult to work with and having Baalke leave was a mistake. But Jim, not Trent, is where the 49ers’ bread is buttered. I think Jed knows this or talks wouldn’t have broken off (at whatever level they got to) with the Browns.

      My question is can you trade a GM? You can trade a HC only by releasing him with agreeing to sign else where. Can you do the same with a GM? That, I don’t know.

  63. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up, BTW. Tired of scrolling to the bottom of this.

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