Super Bowl Aftermath

Well, Super Bowl XLVIII hits the books as yet another beat-down of perennial SB whipping boys, the Denver Broncos. From the opening snap safety (50/1 odds on that happening) to the end of the 4th quarter, the Seattle Seahawks dominated the game in all phases. This game really brings to mind Super Bowl XIX where the 49ers faced off with the Miami Dolphins. For 2 weeks all we heard about was Marino Marino Marino. He would blow the doors off the Niner defense and score at will. Joe of course had a Super Bowl win under his belt already, but that didn’t matter as it was all about Dan Marino. The defense certainly take kindly to the fact that they were seen as the cannon fodder for Marino to feast on, and I certainly wasn’t shocked when we took it to them hard.

This Super Bowl build up was all pretty much Peyton’s paradise. He would singlehandedly dismantle this band of defensive no-name thugs and carry the Broncos to victory over Seattle. My first thought after the disaster that was the NFC Championship game was that Seattle would obliterate the Broncos. After trying not to listen to the Super Bowl hype machine, even I succumbed to the relentless blather regarding Manning. I figured that this game wasn’t in  Seattle, therefore the noise wouldn’t be a factor, Manning gets the ball out fast, and that would thus render Seattle’s pass rush null and void, and getting Knowshon Moreno going would help things along. Stop Lynch, and there you go. Make Seattle one-dimensional and out-score them.

Sounds good, eh? Sure. Until the opening snap safety. Seattle had no problem ignoring Denver’s deep game and thus jammed everything 12 yards and under. This resulted in a lot of very short completions and no sustained drives. Denver got their first 1st down halfway through the 2nd quarter. While there were no sacks, Manning felt the pressure all day, and it caused 2 INTs and a fumble. I really thought this one was going to end up a shutout. In the end, Seattle’s defense outscored Denver’s offense 9-8. Crazy, but not that far-fetched.

Shit, now it’s the offseason.

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105 Responses to Super Bowl Aftermath

  1. Irish Kevin says:

    This is from Matt Barrows of the SacBee

    I still believe the key for Baalke and the 49ers is finding a down-field receiver. Perhaps it will be a No. 1-type receiver like Texas A&M’s Mike Evans, whom the 49ers would have to trade up to get. Or maybe they should find a speedy slot man like Oregon State’s Brandin Cooks, who would pair nicely with tight end Vernon Davis. Maybe they do both. Either way, the key is to make the Seattle defense scoot off the line of scrimmage.

    Read more here:

  2. Irish Kevin says:

    An interesting comment at the end aobut the coaching staffs ability to draft and develope WR’s

    On the other hand, the Seahawks proved a team does not need high-profile, high draft picks at receiver to win a Super Bowl. They did so with the help three players that went undrafted — Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Ricardo Lockette. Lockette, of course, was one of the many receivers who landed on San Francisco’s wide receiver scrap heap this season. The 49ers have had trouble drafting at that position, but they have had trouble developing players there as well.

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  3. unca_chuck says:

    Bingo. The deep threat is the one thing missing. T.Y. Hilton took it to Seattle in Indy’s victory over them.

    This one’s for Steve (aka philippinefan)

    • Oh yeah Omaha- back to my late teens, early twenties @ Fillmore, Winterland. Here’s the rainbow glasses, now where the hell are my bell bottoms? Thanks Chuck, good stuff!

  4. snarkk says:

    For the umpteenth, the Niners need huge upgrades at WR. Period. Get another RB. Frank is done, and who knows about Lattimore? You need depth there, and Hunter is no great shakes. The thing that surprised me was the rush Seattle put on yesterday, with the 4 down DLmen. Broncs OL absolutely couldn’t handle them. Manning played like crap, but a ton of times he was under the rush and a pocket collapse almost immediately. I think that rush played more a factor than great individual play by the Seattle DBs. However, that pick 6 was a total brain cramp by Manning. He should have eaten that ball, taken a sack. He doesn’t want to take a sack, maybe it’s his neck thing, probably is, so if a good oppo defense puts a continual rush on him, he’s in deep doo doo. Yesterday’s game just shows how down the AFC is. The Broncs steamrolled most of their games, including the two playoff games. The Seahawks aren’t THAT good, compared to NFC top competition. NFC next season will be a bear. Panthers, GBay, an upgraded Tampa (Lovey will get that ship going), Giants will be back, Chicago defense has to get better, and the whole NFC West is BRUTAL…

  5. snarkk says:

    Here’s who the Broncs played this season. I wouldn’t call any schedule with 2X Raiders on it and the entire NFC East representative of much. Broncs were totally overhyped from a weak AFC…

  6. snarkk says:

    Here’s Manning saying the game was “not embarrassing”, that use of that word is “insulting”. That stupid remark loses him a lot of respect, IMO. Welker gets some respect — he said it WAS “embarrassing”…

  7. Spitblood says:

    Here’s what needs to happen with the 49ers going forward now that Seattle has won the Super Bowl. Novella alert!

    First off, Jim Harbaugh. He needs to continue to change. 2013 saw him begin to loosen up quite a bit, and that was great to see. He still has some work to do in this department. He needs to realize that crying about penalties doesn’t do the team any good, and in some instances his crying actually works against the team in crucial situations. Accept the call on the field, even if it’s a bad one.

    Harbaugh also needs to care more about his players. I’m not saying he needs to go full tilt, Pete Carroll on the 49ers. That would seem disingenuous. But I get the feeling that while Harbaugh is a players’ coach, Harbaugh would rather do whatever it takes to lower his players’ salaries. Case in point is Trumaine Brock. Brock lucked out. Goldson didn’t get a deal. Brown didn’t get a deal. Culliver was in line for a deal. He gets hurt. Now Brock’s healthy and ready to sign a relatively big deal mid season. Brown loses 2 million for not practicing at the team facilities. Harbaugh says he wants to make it right, then Baalke gives Brown $300,000. Brown can’t feel that happy. The 49ers were 1.7 million off. Then, as an additional slap to the face, the 49ers bring in Wright and sign Brock. Brown becomes a malcontent, and rightly so. Not a priority to resign.

    Regarding the new stadium…. I sincerely hope the 49ers don’t try some new 12th man approach to the new stadium. Have the courage to be unique. Continue to try and maintain the classiest team in the NFL approach, with high powered executives buying luxury boxes. Nothing wrong with that, especially if the crowd is classy. Who cares if the stadium isn’t a home field advantage. That, to me, is overrated.

    The defense will be okay, but for my money we need new D linemen and new secondary players. Whitner, Rogers, Justin Smith and Glenn Dorsey are now average players because of age. The 49ers need to collapse the pocket from the middle of the line. Brooks and Aldon can get it done from the outside, but from the inside Justin and Ray looked tired and have a lot of wear and tear on their bodies. Tank will help, but the 49ers need two fat men in the middle to stuff the run and get after the qb. Maybe that’s Dial and Tank, but for my money, we need one more beast in the middle. We also need a taller safety with range who can hit to replace Whitner.

    On the offensive side of the football, we need a new running back. Forget Lattimore and Gore. I love Kendal Hunter, but he needs help. James is too small to consistently hold the ball.

    Kaep needs to work all offseason on his footwork, staying in the pocket, and getting through his reads. Don’t stubbornly tell us: “I’ll take that match-up all day.” To me that means Kaep still thinks he’s right going to Crabtree on both big plays the past two years. Kaep: You were wrong. The outcome clearly tells us all you were wrong. I don’t know for sure, but people are saying others were open when Kaep threw it to Crabtree and Sherman swatted it away. Winners win. Losers make excuses and justify decisions.

    Greg Roman: Greg needs to go. Jim Harbaugh hasn’t felt the heat yet, but now that Seattle has won the Super Bowl, Kaep is scheduled for a bigger payday, and Kaep is in his 4th year, no excuses will work anymore. Kaep needs to be statically one of the better passers in the league: run game be damned. If Kaep’s handing off to Gore next year behind unbalanced lines, the 49ers will once again fall short of hoisting Lombardi and Harbaugh will start feeling the heat in SF. And that heat will be justified. The 49ers CAN find another coach. We’re all probably skeptical of that statement because after Mooch we went with Erickson, Nolan and Singletary, but Jed and Dr York were then babes in the woods without a qb. Now Jed will have a little more insight as to who could be a strong candidate for HC. And potential head coaches will covet the 49er job with Kaep at the helm, this defense and a decent talent evaluator in Baalke. Jed will have some leverage if someone good is available. However, there aren’t many great options out there – there never are. But Harbaugh isn’t the only answer anymore, and he certainly won’t be at the end of next year if he trots out the same sorry offense and fails in the playoffs once again. Quit telling us everything’s great with the offense. It’s not. Be realistic. Through realistic assessment of the passing game, change will happen. But Greg Roman isn’t going to get this passing attack jump-started. That much I’m sure of. Harbaugh may chain himself to an anchor thrown overboard. Greg Roman’s reputation is plummeting faster than a Peyton Manning legacy.

  8. snarkk says:

    Forget Lattimore?
    I have to see the dude first before I try to forget him…

    • philippinefan says:

      Right Spitwad has this preconceived notion on Lattimore that is unsupported. He dont know; its a guess pure and simple. Same with Iupati = Spit dont like him so “He’s bad, get rid of him”. No reasons given. Right. Whatever.

      Other points are good in the novella- GRo going yes- but he wont be- yet. Notice no ones hiring him? JH prolly giving Roman the great (running) scheme but our passing sucks as we’ve been bitching about quite accurately. How much is Harbaugh? A lot. Baalke comes in for some share of the responsibility in this too. We knew going into last season we were very short in WR dept. Without Boldin we battle the Rams for NFC West cellar. Then Crab went down and we CUT Lockette. Brilliant shit.

      Kap needs to improve? Well yes and he will. But it will take time for him and the team to rehabilitate the offense. Seasons. Plural. New OC. New WRs. Time.

      We’re at a kind of ceiling where our few faults are magnified because of the level of competition at this height. It will get fixed, eventually

      • Spitblood says:

        It’s not that I don’t like Iupati, Roman and Lattimore, it’s that the philosophy behind them is all wrong. Lattimore, on a knee severely damaged twice, going up against the Seahawks in the post season? I’m not banking on that. McCloughan was right about needing durable players. That knee, our NFC West competition and 20 game durability isn’t going to happen. Resigning Iupati when the 49ers need to re-sign Aldon, Kaep and Crabtree? Someone’s gotta go. Couple those signings with Kaep’s somewhat larger payday and running the ball can’t be as much of a priority. And Roman should go just because he’s a college run game coordinator with a super star qb who can’t get going because Roman can’t orchestrate a passing attack. Again, I like Lattimore (real good kid) and think Iupati is a beast, but the philosophy behind those two players and a run game OC is all wrong heading into 2014. Trust me.

      • philippinefan says:

        We dont know ‘how’ Lattimore will play or how he will hold up. FG did ok after similar injuries. Thats the model here. Its a gamble yes but no one can say “snake eyes” before the throw, right? Lat may very well be our beast mode. He ‘was’ in college…

        “Resigning Iupati when the 49ers need to re-sign Aldon, Kaep and Crabtree? Someone’s gotta go.” Fair point if true. We again dont know that yet, so we will see. Niners FO have been good at this cap business but I get yer point.

        Dump GRo, agree! Trust you? LOL

      • Spitblood says:

        Are you kidding me? I’m the most trustworthy gentleman here. Frank Gore is not the model. Gore and Lattimore are very different runners. Micheal Strahan said, during the Niner / Giants Championship game, that Gore was THE most frustrating back he ever played against because Frank got so low and you couldn’t find him in the scrum. That’s not lattimore’s game at all. Frank gets way behind his pads. Lattimore is more of an upright runner, and I don’t think he’s a power back at all. He played in the spread in college. That’s very different than lining up in power back formations at the pro level. I honestly think the 49er need a new power back. I think they’ll waste their time next year on both Gore and Lattimore.

      • Just yanking yer chain Spit. Not serious
        FG = model in terms of recovering from multiple knee injuries not running style.You have no faith Lat will work for usand I’m saying ‘lets see’ and we will

  9. Irish Kevin says:

    Very good Spit, so most if not all don’t believe that Roman can open up the play book? Even though Gore is no longer going to break one?

  10. Nipper says:

    Lets have some warm Spit for Roman. I’m sure he’ll respond to that.

  11. philippinefan says:

    Is Roman to blame for this? NF will appreciate:

    Selected quotes:

    -To Montana, what mattered wasn’t so much the “perfection” of a receiver’s route. What mattered, instead, was the receiver’s position in relation to the corner. In other words, if the receiver had to choose between running the route as the coach designed it, and opening up a passing lane, the receiver should screw the route and just get open. “Because if you’re shoulder to shoulder with the cornerback,” Montana said, “I’m gonna have to come off you.”

    -But the central issue was something else, much simpler and much worse.
    Crabtree was covered, and Kaepernick just didn’t care. Crabtree, indeed, was “shoulder to shoulder with the cornerback.” (Actually, that’s saying it generously; Sherman was slightly ahead of Crabtree, as well as inside him.) The passing lane was impossibly small, if it even existed at all. Montana, then, would’ve come off him, looking for that open man. (And, indeed, he would’ve found one.) But Kaepernick threw it anyway, and that’s the central issue here.

    -Something here is seriously wrong. Contrary to popular belief, Kaepernick isn’t a one-read QB. But when the stakes are highest, he becomes one, with disastrous results.

    -After his Super Bowl heartbreak, Kaepernick was given that rarest of gifts: an honest-to-goodness second chance. The fact that he did the same thing again—that he didn’t learn from that awful pain—is almost literally unbelievable

    End Quote. Without continued improvement in Kap, and coaching, were going to see this again

    • Irish Kevin says:

      So with Montana’s assessment it is more on Kaep to learn and grow rather than Roman’s poor play calling, plus the Niner WR’s need to just get open and say F*ck the route, sounds good to me.

      • philippinefan says:

        Yes and the WCO is designed to have multiple options for the QB to throw to = like the open guy. In my understanding. But if the QB Kap wants to make Crabtree a hero with the game on the line = here we go again,again. Agree with the article pretty much 100%. We’ll see if Kap is stuck on stupid soon enough. But Roman or whoever needs to develop a more varied passing attack as mentioned here 100X

  12. NJ49er says:

    For me, the throw in Seattle wasn’t about getting it to the back pylon.
    I’d have attempted the throw to the back shoulder, more behind Sherman, toward the sideline.

    Yes Phil, he never looked at the other options, something he’s admitted was a pre-snap decision.
    Even Sherman knew it was coming his way.

    This is the key point with Kaep, he’s not reading anything the Defense is willing to concede.
    With timeouts in hand, the clock wasn’t much of a factor, at the point he threw the pass to Crabtree.

    He forced it, game over.
    Malcolm Smith had Kendall underneath and immediately saw that Kaep didn’t consider him.
    Had Kaep given Patton, far left, or Vernon a look, he could have easily taken a few yards and lived to play another down.

    Easy in hindsight yes, but, it’s a glaring weakness when the QB isn’t utilizing his entire Offense.
    Harbaugh defended the decision, as he should but, I’d be willing to wager Harbaugh wasn’t happy that he overlooked the other options either.

  13. NJ49er says:

    As dumb is it originally sounded to me, having Mangina take over as QB Coach, it might not be such a bad idea.
    Kaep NEEDS to learn the importance of seeing what a Defense is attempting to do to stop him.

    Also, I’d heard an opinion,which I believe came from Kurt Warner, that Kaep throws a flat ball.
    It makes perfect sense to me, having seen every throw he’s made.
    He’s a dart thrower. Point A to Point B, on a line.
    Works with many routes but, it isn’t a one-size-fits-all answer to the QB position.

    Putting air under the throw we’re talking about in Seattle for instance, would’ve made more sense.
    Kaep is a work in progress certainly.
    Hopefully his arrogance is just bravado and, not an indication that he isn’t willing to recognize his shortcomings, t the expense of mastering his position.

    • philippinefan says:

      “Mangina” lol.

      Yeah he’s not superman and at the highest levels the Ds will eat those poor decisions up. See SB and NFCCG. Even Harbaugh expressed worry Kaps workouts would make him ‘too muscled’ = more fast darts, less touch? Hey Kap use yer brain muscle

  14. Irish Kevin says:

    With everyone commenting on Romans play calling, let’s not forget the Niners were one play from going to the SB. And let’s look at how Seatle won that game, they won it with there Defense, minimum of 21 points from their D. I bet the Niners look at DB’s and pass rushers in the draft and do not draft offensive weapons at all, maybe some O lineman. Book it now gentleman.

  15. Irish Kevin says:

    I am old and lazy, who was the last defensive player to win MVP? I bet it has been a while.

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s normally an honor bestowed on the SB winning QBs as a rule Irish Kevin.

      But, believe it or not, the last guy to garner the award on the Defensive side of the ball was, (of all people), S Dexter Jackson from TB, vs the Raiduhs in ’03.

      Quite the honor for a guy that was basically unheard of, before or after the SB.

  16. Irish Kevin says:

    Even with the Niners great Defenses over the years, it was Montana, Rice, and Yong MVPs

    • NJ49er says:

      Historically speaking, SB MVPs tend to be QBs and Offensive players, much moreso than Defensive players, by a large margin.

      • Irish Kevin says:

        That is because the offense is the one who are supposed to be scoring for your team. Of course Russell Wilson was all relaxed in the pocket, he had no pressure to win the game for his team.

  17. unca_chuck says:

    Hearing Kappy say that over and over that he would make that throw again hopefully is just that. Talk. Someone needs to get in his head and say read your progressions.

    As far as the play calling is concerned I’m more concerned with the play calling at the beginning of the game. If we were scoring TDs earlier rather than FGs we wouldn’t be having to come back from behind in the first place. .I’m so fucking tired of playing close to the vest and in the end having to come back from behind to win these games. They leave no margin for error for Kappy.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    The Super Bowl was a glaring example of how bad it got.

  19. NJ49er says:

    It’s 50/50 for me Chuck.
    Yes, too conservative but, often well schemed.

    Kaep has to quit his myopic insistance on focusing on his primary target at the cost of other weapons.
    Ending 2 seasons with the same target frustrates me.
    If Roman has other options intended within the play call, it’s on Kaep to utilize them.

    • philippinefan says:

      Comment from another blog on this:

      By: World
      Date: Monday, February 3, 2014 at 1:45 PM
      Comment: Great article. Made me think of the second Super Bowl against the Bengals. With 34 seconds left, Montana found John Taylor in the end zone to win it, when everyone in the building and watching on TV (including myself) was expecting it to go to Jerry Rice. Rice was seemingly unstoppable that game, setting SB records and eventually winning the MVP, yet Montana was still willing to pass him up to look for the open guy.

  20. NoFear49er says:

    Hey Phil, yeah, me and Montana = sympatico.

    The fact that Kaepernick keeps saying he made the right decision and he’d take that throw ten out of ten times tells me a coach or two has said that to him. And certainly that a coach has not told him it was the wrong throw. And that’s a little discouraging.

  21. NoFear49er says:

    There were no stand outs on the Seahawks’ offense to name MVP as great contributors (except for the Broncos) because they didn’t have to do a thing on offense to win.

    • NJ49er says:

      Denver was a No Show for the biggest stage in football NoFear49er.
      Sure, we know Seattle isn’t an Offensive juggernaut by any stretch but, Peyton looked like Brandon Weeden out there on Sunday.

      Deer in the Headlights as it were.
      Pathetic. Clueless what to do when a real Defense is on the field.

      Nothing like saving your worst for the world to see.

  22. Nipper says:

    Seattle’s Defense played one for the ages. No matter what Denver did they were doomed. Blaming Manning is stupid. The whole team got a beat-down. BLEEP!

  23. unca_chuck says:

    That first pick is on Manning. The rest was the defense.

  24. rtfirefly says:

    The MVP for me was the brown and white mutt (terrier?) which snatched up the loose pigskin at midfield and beelined it for the endzone. Showed a natural born killer instinct for the goal line.
    I keep reading Peyton this, Seattle that. Did I miss something? Peyton’s opening a Papa John’s in Seattle? Granted, I’d love to own a Papa John’s in Seattle right now. I’d be cornering the market on Doritos and chocolate chip cookies, but I don’t find it particularly newsworthy.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    This is the piece of the passing game I just don’t know re Harbaugh/Romam/Chryst. Is it read progressions or is it react to coverages at the line and don’t deviate from the pre-snap look?

    It sure sounds like they don’t want Kappy doing too much reading. They want him to identify the guy singled up and throw to him regardless. Thing is, I did see him look off Kuechly in the Carolina game a few times. He has the skill to do that. Is it the time factor? Are they afraid he’ll screw up trying to do too much? I just don’t get it.

    But heaing him say he’d make that throw again is not a good thing. He should think at it more like ‘was someone else open?’ Was there an easier play to make in that situation?

    • NoFear49er says:

      I think there was a lot of that last year. Especially with all the read options. Read one guy, make the decision. Understandable if CK7 was having difficulty reading and being fooled by pro defenses last year. Not so understandable this year, this late in the year, too.

  26. NoFear49er says:

    My comment wasn’t meant to imply they told CK7 to throw to Crabs if he got single coverage no matter what else happens. That would be extremely stupid. For the coaches to demand it and for CK7 to do it.

    My thought was that some coach or coaches intending to bolster confidence, offer support, cover for themselves making too much of trying to get Crabs in single coverage, whatever, has said to CK7 that that was the right play to make given the single coverage pre-snap read.

    Because if CK7 had been told by his coach it was a mistake or a better play was there to be made he wouldn’t likely be going out on interviews saying he’d take that throw ten out of ten times. And if he would, that’s a strong sign of uncoachable tendencies. And if the coaches are not showing him that there were better plays on field so that he can learn from his mistake, that’s a strong sign of incompetent coaching.

    • philippinefan says:

      “uncoachable tendencies, incompetent coaching.” SHUDDER

      Thats what the biggest fear is for me

  27. unca_chuck says:

    Well, there’s the rub. I haven’t seen what people have all said since the play happened, and that’s that Patton and Davis were open. But if so, then why won’t he concede that he should have looked elsewhere?

    It smacks of Harbaugh/Kappy wanting to beat Sherman on the big play but that’s ludicrous, isn’t it?

  28. unca_chuck says:

    Well, some of the complaints about the play calling appear to be valid. Harbaugh apparently wants to open up the passing game. Give Kaepernick more options.

  29. unca_chuck says:

    Of course the article is 100% speculation and conjecture on his part.

    • NJ49er says:

      Gets back to our debate Chuck.
      If Kaep has 4 WRs on a given play call yet only focuses on one, what’s the point?

    • NJ49er says:

      He’s not taking the time to identify the best option, if he’s locked and loaded on the Pre-Snap Read.

    • NJ49er says:

      This is the way Matt Stafford made a boatload of money.
      Chuck it in Megatrons direction and have him win the battles 90% of time.

      Doesn’t make Stafford a well rounded QB when he can’t utilize his eyes to find other options when Megatron is taken away.

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s what concerns me with Kaep, insisting on targeting Crabtree in the biggest spots the past 2 years.
      Developing a crutch or, locking onto 1 guy at the expense of the others is dangerous and myopic.

    • philippinefan says:

      And hearsay but TK makes some good points starting with:

      “Practical point: There might not be another quarterback who threatens Seattle the way Kaepernick does. If the 49ers can just figure out how to beat Seattle when it counts. Because if they don’t, who will?”

      Who can beat SEA besides us? NOOOOBODY. So glad to read this from TK about our passing game:

      Quoting: “I’ve heard that Harbaugh took over additional parts of the 49ers offense toward the end of this season, especially on pass calls.

      One NFL source noted that if offensive coordinator Greg Roman had landed a head-coaching job, Harbaugh planned to take over almost all the play-calling responsibilities.

      Roman ended up staying, but I think some of the 49ers’ offensive struggles in 2013 have Harbaugh thinking about pushing the envelope a little more.”

      END Quote. Jesus push the envelop already Harbaugh. We are scaring no one with our passing attack. The run game coordinator is fooling no one and we have 2 bitter big losses. There better NOT be three (four if you count our ineptitude in 2011 NFCCG.= 2 complete passes to WRs? Or was it 4???) The honeymoon is over with Roman, Karpernick and you sir Jimbo are next. Get involved and end this shit. Thanks.

      Last word from Kawakami:

      “Practical point: The 49ers probably aren’t going to beat Seattle strictly by running it; Kaepernick needs more options in the pass game, and it sounds like Harbaugh is determined to open up the playbook to see what the QB can do.”

      About time:

  30. unca_chuck says:

    Well, based on what Kappy is saying, and what the coaches appear to be telling him, is go with the 1st read. I don’t see how anyone on either side of the deal can promote this idea going forward.

    Stafford’s a great one to point at and say you can hit the well a few times and be successful for a short time, but go there too much and you don’t get any better and you take away the 1st read and you are beaten.

    The hope is they approach Kappy’s progression a little differently going forward.

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s why I’m 50/50 with this Roman vs Kaep thing Chuck.
      We’ve schemed well in all our matchups within the NFC West.
      Proves to me they know how to attack an opponent.
      Comes down to execution.

      If, BIG IF, Kaep isn’t seeing everything he has available to him, the play call argument is moot.
      No doubt Harbaugh is the right guy to teach the position though.

      All of this Seattle nemesis stuff is, simply Kaep learning to beat the best Defense with limited experience at this point.
      Our Offense is still evolving in many ways, starting with Kaep.

      In the end, this will make Kaep a better QB.
      He’s got to get past the mental blocks.

  31. unca_chuck says:

    Harbaugh was a quarterback for God’s sake. He talked to Walsh all the time. He HAS to know that he must teach his QB to go through his reads and not to telegraph the pass.

    • philippinefan says:

      And here we are at least 6 months after we discussed this here with ANOTHER big season ending loss to show for the business as usual Niner passing approach. Clock is ticking Harbaugh and you’ve done nothing . Who’s done less to improve their passing attack than us? NOOOOOOOBODY

      To quote NF “Uncoachable tendencies or incompetent coaching”. 30/70 = CK/OC

      • NJ49er says:

        NoFear49er is right on with that analogy Phil.
        A play call is only as good as the execution.

        If there’s a communication issue between Kaep, Roman or Harbaugh on what’s expected, there’s inherent problems brewing.

      • NJ49er says:

        Given the comparison to what Alex went through in his early development, with revolving OCs and Coaching changing in general, I’d prefer the continuity we have right now.
        Small cracks can be repaired on the fly.

        Overhauls just delay the learning curve.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Phil, reaching the NFC Championship 3 times in 3 years isn’t nothing. But the team needs to grow. Kappy needs to grow. Harbaugh and the coaching staff needs to grow.

        Based on the lack of spreading the ball around leads me to believe kappy is not getting through his reads fast enough. Lots of talk out there that he needs a vet presence backup or some kind of mentor to help him along. It isn’t the worst idea I’ve heard recently.

      • philippinefan says:

        Didnt say we have accomplished “nothing” but have NOT grown since Harbaugh/Roman arrived in our passing game. Honeymoons over with this poor performing unit including coaches. This on JH

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s just it Chuck, we’re consistantly good enough to get there.
      Says a lot, especially with such a young QB.

      It’s always about self criticism in the NFL.
      Nobody wants to be ‘just good enough’.

      They’ll analyze the deficiencies and make the moves the need to make.
      We’re a whole lot better off than most teams at this point.

  32. unca_chuck says:

    Even with these so called revelations, it still doesn’t address the shitty play calling in the red zone. If Harbaugh took over more later then why was the red zone and 3rd down conversions going south toward the end of the year?

    Like I said, I’m, sick and tired of playing this shit so close to the vest and be forced to win in the last drive so much. This was the philosophy that doomed both Nolan and Singletary. Harbaugh has gotten them further, and they have overall done better,

    They seem averse to risking being aggressive to the cost of leaving points in the field. If they trust their defense so much, they should take more chances in the red zone. I’ve seen entire games where we don’t throw into the end zone inside the 15 in 3-4 trips. Strictly runs or underneath routes. It burns me no end. And that’s ALL on the coaches.

    • snarkk says:

      Yep. Seattle, after Aldon forces the fumble, you know what Walsh would have done. First play would be all WRs into the EZ to strike before the D knows what hit ’em…

    • NJ49er says:

      It also compresses the Defense that Kaep is working against Chuck.
      That’s where that ‘flat ball’ analogy gets into my head.

      Kaep showed in the SB, that he can’t make a fine timing throw to a spot, as well as he can hit a bullseye with the fast ball.

      Sure, but, there’s some room to argue that getting picked in the end zone sucks more then taking 3s.

      We have a ways to go, before we can be confused with the Broncos Offense.

    • philippinefan says:

      Thank you. Another gripe about play calling = our limited selection of passing plays. WTF happened to screens and slants?????? Fucking Denver ran a WR screen on their 1st (2nd?) possession against the hawks and it went for 7-8 yds. but WE dont run them? Why? Lack of personnel? BUllshit! Rotten coaching 100%

      • NJ49er says:

        Phil the Broncos possess a WR group that eclipses most everyone else in the NFL.
        Where did that get them against Seattle?
        Roman/Harbaugh/Kaep did a better job vs the Seattle Defense then Peyton did.

        Look at the upside, we took them to the mat in our death match, at their bldg.
        Yeh, we didn’t get it done but, we sure looked a lot more prepared then they did.

        We have nothing to be ashamed of.
        Seattle will make us better.

      • NJ49er says:

        Roman did employ several TE screens this year.
        Denver did it with WRs.
        Didn’t take them anywhere however.

        Again, we’ve shown the ability to devise good plans.
        We aren’t executing with any rhythm or consistency.

        That’s the challenge.

      • philippinefan says:

        “Roman did employ several TE screens this year.” And they worked by and large. But again did we use them in SEA? Why in the name of Vince Lombardi do we STOP running plays that are working? No TE screen when AS handed us the ball on the SEA 8! Piss Poor Coaching NJ. We have a 3rd rate passing scheme that cannot WIN at top level NFL games. Simple proven fact. 3 years in a row.

        Get used to more such losses with our 3 years running moron approach to our passing “attack”. The Emperor not only has no clothes, he’s not an Emperor- he’s a college coach! Piss poor coaching, piss poor.

        Fix it

  33. NJ49er says:

    If you want to feel better about our Coaching staff, read the news that Cleveland added Jimmy Hat to their Staff.
    Oh the bad Ol’ Days.

    • NJ49er says:

      Lest we forget, where we were, just a few years ago.

    • NoFear49er says:

      I thought they were bringing in the Shanahan the younger.

      • NJ49er says:

        Yes NoFear49er, Kyle the Shanny Younger got a 3yr deal.
        Once again, Jimmy Hat will grace a Coaching Staff.
        To what degree of success is always worth the price of admission I guess?

        Now, if they had anything close to a starting QB, there might be something there to Coach.
        At least they were smart enough to rid themselves of a mediocre RB, in favor of an extra Pick.

  34. NoFear49er says:

    The trouble with Kawakami is he’s mostly a shit-stirrer. He likes to create controversy and invent stories rather than report them. Personally I don’t place more than the slightest value on what he reports. Intel rated F-5. Not worth burning but could have some value in a disinformation effort.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Well, yeah. The article is full of word like ‘I heard’ ‘an NFL source said’ ‘Harbaugh probably…’ yadda yadda yadda. He’s no Lowel Cohn, but few are. You used to accuse me of parrotting him, now the worm has turned.

  35. Our passing game is piss poor. Ranked what, 30? 25? Our play calling stinks. Dont blame Kawakami or Kap, this is 100% Harbaugh.

    I would give another year for JH to fix this problem that caused us to settle for FG in the title game opening possession just like ALL YEAR LONGGGGGGGG (amen) before I (Jed York) would even talk to Jimbo about an extension. No fixie Jimbo? No raise son.

    Not going to be ok with 0-4 in big games.

  36. philippinefan says:

    Not panicked- pissed. No more honeymoon fer Jimi. 100% on him. Better WRs wont matter with this clown act approach to NFL pass game. Wont fix it.

    • NJ49er says:

      I think Jim knows he’s got some things to improve on.
      But, I get what you’re saying.

      Pete just one-upped him.
      Motivation is a good thing in sports.

  37. NJ49er says:

    Here’s what I was expecting to get from LMJ –
    This kid is on my Draft radar this May –
    Dri Archer – Kent State

    Primo Pocket Rocket – 5′ 8″/180 – Speed to burn, runs well in traffic, great vision, excellent hands.

    • NJ49er says:

      Our answer to Tavon Austin perhaps……
      At a much cheaper Draft Slot.

    • NoFear49er says:

      I don’t think James has been given a fair shot yet. I guess he’ll have to prove himself at returner if he wants to get on the field. He’s a guy probably stuck in a miscast role here.

      • NJ49er says:

        And he’s apparently gone the Brandon Jacobs route via Social Media NoFear49er, asking to be traded.

        Something isn’t right with that scenario.

        If he’s unhappy, and not making enough progress at this point, I’d check with Chip Kelly in Philly about a Draft Pick for his former Duck.

  38. Nipper says:

    The Niners offense……..BLEEP! Chuck’s dog could do better near the goal line. ARF!

  39. NoFear49er says:

    Phil, what was wrong with the plays called on that first series in the championship game? Besides the fact they didn’t get a TD or a conversion? I thought those plays called were fine. and Seattle’s D is pretty good I’ve heard.

    • Nothing, not one pass to EZ. As snarkk said BW would have likely sent 3-4 WRs into EZ on the first play while D was reeling . Major fail repeated all year long = settling for FGs. Many have commented “FG is a given in that situation you MUST attack EZ and go for TD”. Arguably we handed the MO right back to Seattle and it was a win for them to hold us to FG. We had no killer instinct and it cost us as Irish Kevin noted at the time. Not what we did (none of which succeeded) but what we fail repeatedly to do: aggressively attack while we have the momentum. Piss poor coaching. Incompetent coaching.

      And what’s with the O finally getting around to attacking the EZ on the last play from 18 yards out = locked on QB attacking the STRENGTH, time on the clock, time outs available? Incompetent, piss poor coaching resulting in the D embarrassing our O and ending our season. No home run Casey, strike out!

      Chuck has a pretty specific answer if that what yer after. Me I hate our scheme in the way we are too aggressive in wrong places (last play) and too timid in many others (first series)

  40. unca_chuck says:

    My problem was, Gore to LT, 2 yards. 2 yard throw to Crabs. Designed Kappy run for 4, FG.

    If it was me, I’d go play-action on 1st down because 999,999 times out of 1,000,000 the Niners and Harbaugh run on 1st down close. Then maybe I’d actually try to reach the end zone with a pass. Underneath shit down close will not work against Seattle.

    • Irish Kevin says:

      agree, but you could also try a sweep also if they want to run. everyone crash in why not try the sweep

      • unca_chuck says:

        Seattle’s D line is fast and their LBs cover very well. It is hard to sweep against them. Especially down close with the DBs playing up as well. The play for Kappy was pretty much a sweep to the left. It almost worked, but Kappy got tripped up 2 yards short.

      • philippinefan says:

        TE screen with VD and MacDonald blocking sprang Boldin from about same place in earlier game (AZ?)

  41. unca_chuck says:

    The knock on LMJ is apparently he isn’t picking up the blocking schemes well enough. A huge part of Gore’s game is his blocking ability, and whoever mans the RB spot has to be 100% sure of how to block. Ask Steve Young how important a blocking RB is.

    • NoFear49er says:

      I don’t know about James’ situation here. We have a problem getting new talent on the field sometimes. Of course he has to know the protections and be able to do what’s asked there but he’s not an every down back in our system and more of a scat back that brings speed and elusiveness to the running game. That not being our game, and we not being able to get him on the field with plays designed to feature what he does, why bring him in? As a returner? Exclusively?

  42. NoFear49er says:

    On the first series of plays in the NFCCG: True, the plays didn’t result in much yardage but were they bad plays to call? I don’t see anything wrong with the first down call. Run Gore off left tackle behind Staley, Iupati and Dixon. It sets up the next two plays and Gore has broken through under the big blockers fairly well.

    The second down CK7 hit Crabs on a shallow cross but we sent five receivers out and every one of them was covered but Crabs.

    On third down we tried to use the man coverage against them and sent CK7 on a delayed keeper. He did have a lot of defenders’ backs facing him, so it made sense.

    After seeing how the last two promising seasons came to an end, I’m glad we didn’t turn it over passing to Crabs once there. LOL

  43. unca_chuck says:

    Well, one man’s crap is another man’s gold. I have seen numerous trips to the red zone where we NEVER even bother to take a shot into the end zone. If Kappy picked the wrong guy to throw to on that 2nd down, well, that’s on him. But I’m sure he was the read to go to. Pont being, i HATE the 1st down run because we were in our usual jumbo package, and it did little to nothing. A throwaway down. Fuck setting up the next play. Take the chance on that play. One thing Walsh usually did was attack the end zone on a turnover. Especially one down close. It screamed play-action. Based on OUR tendencies.

    When they talk about opening things up, this ius EXACTLY what I’m talking about and hoping for.

    New thread is up, BTW.

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