Curiouser and Curiouser (WTF???)

Word is now that the deal is off between Denver and San Francisco on dealing the enigmatic quandary that is Colin Kaepernick. Kappy won’t take a $5 million pay cut, and the team isn’t willing to eat that much salary either, so here we sit. With a QB that is getting paid $12 mill, and who may or may not even be our starter. Frankly I’m shocked that Kappy didn’t split. If he wants to stick it to the 49ers, his best bet would be to leave and take Denver on a nice playoff run as he worked to rehab his image in a new town.

As it is here, well, he DOES have a chance to do the same here. As in rehab a tarnished image. Chip’s style of go-go offense would seem to be suited for Colin’s game. And Chip likes athletic QBs that can move. A match made in heaven, right? Yeah, right. It comes back to the QB competition between Gabby and Kappy this preseason. And if Kappy can’t beat out the likes of Blaine Gabbert, then he’s mailing it in for a seat on the bench. A la RG III last year. And we all saw how that worked out for RG III. Back up money on a desperate team.

I don’t get this at all. Alex Smith didn’t want to leave here as well, even though he had plenty of opportunity, albeit for much different reasons. Kappy? I have no idea. He came into the league as a humble man-child who was honored to be here., and in the NFL Now he’s guarded and arrogant, hiding behind a surly and off-putting attitude.  I blame Harbaugh.

Seriously though, I don’t get the thought process behind this. Kaepernick had the opportunity to go to the defending Super Bowl champs and pretty much be handed the starting job. Play well, and he likely gets a restructured deal for his make-good year in Denver. Instead, he comes back to a team that he (apparently) alienated due to his actions in the clubhouse. He has a tough row to hoe here, and the chance that he puts this team on his back and carries it to the playoffs (or even respectability) is a long shot. Here’s the story:

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_colin_kaepernick_refuses_pay_cut_no_deal_with_broncos/s1_12680_20616034?mb_edition=5647&linksrc=mb_story_main_head_9_20616034

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86 Responses to Curiouser and Curiouser (WTF???)

  1. unca_chuck says:

    All that being said, maybe this is a ploy by Kappy to get more from Denver salary-wise. Certainly in the realm of possibility.

  2. rob says:

    Kap is a Harbaugh guy and wasn’t happy with being told he’d have to compete for the job next year. He wants to explore his options hence my
    “Say it ain’t so Kappy , go for the bucks and stay here “

  3. Nipper says:

    If I were Kap I sure would like to get out of Santa Clara. His agent probably is advising him to hold firm on the salary forcing the Niners to pay part of it if he eventually lands in Denver. Damn this stuff gives me a headache! I’ve got enough trouble thinking about taxes.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    If Kaepernick thinks he should be just handed the starting job, he’s nuts. Gabbert ain’t much, but at least he tries. Kappy needs to step away from the attitude.

  5. Flavor says:

    What if you’re Kap and you are starting to question your ability to succeed in this league. maybe something mental is going on, it sure looked like it with some of those throws last year. If either or both is the case, and you’re Kap, then you want to get every cent possible. Could be the last deal he sees as a pro.

  6. Winder says:

    Who knows what’s really going on behind the scene? I don’t see how this could have been mishandled any worse. Total circus.

  7. unca_chuck says:

    Seeing how far he got a couple years ago, I don’t think that’s a factor, but who knows?

    RG III’s demise, or at least decline, has a lot to do with his injuries.

    Kappy’s? Coaching? System? Brain? Being drilled out of what made him successful? There are a ton of factors that are in play, but I thought he’d jump at the opportunity to get the fuck out. I mea, I get that Alex Smith wanted to stay to silence the detractors and to live up to the deal he signed. Kappy? I get no sense that he feels any love toward the front office, the coaches, or even his teammates.

    Oh well. This may be his last best shot, but this team is in a shambles as it is. There’s little chance for success no matter what he does. So much of the success of this team is dependent on this draft that you get the idea that it is a pipe-dream. I mean shit, he could be the QB of the reigning Super Bowl champs.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Dubs going for 70 tonight.

  9. NJ49er says:

    Chuck, this all comes down to Kaep being a ‘system’ fit.
    He worked with the Harbaugh ‘run first’ approach.
    He’s not a ‘see it/exploit it’ QB.

    Chip will require a quick trigger guy with accuracy.
    2 things Kaep is challenged with.

    • NJ49er says:

      He and his Reps appear to want their cake and, eat it too.
      There’s some major dysfunction at play within the Kaep Camp.

  10. unca_chuck says:

    Major dysfunction? I just think they are all waiting to see who blinks.

    This isn’t over by any stretch of the imagination.

    • NJ49er says:

      Hard sell to a team with no Cap space to play with in Denver.
      Cleveland had money, however they weren’t willing to meet the current Contract either.

      • NJ49er says:

        They seem to want out of SF but aren’t willing to make any concessions to do it,
        Then, there’s the compensation angle, which Baalke controls.

  11. 12th Man says:

    Kap signed a historically bad contract (for him) and expected the team to use money he left on the table to keep his fav players. I didn’t happen and was naive in the extreme for him to believe it would. I said at that time the contract would come back to bite both parties, the Niners for being greedy and Kap for being stupid once he figured it out. His agents are horrible.
    After not playing very well last year he got benched, but really believed there was a hot market for him outside of the Niners. He was after all 5 yards shy of being a SB champ QB.
    This off season must be humbling for him, he is offered very low end starting money and now knows exactly how the league views him.
    No “7storms is coming” tweets this year.
    I had thought it would be 50/50 stay or go. I think that has changed in favor of staying because of the money and more importantly to him the perceived lack of respect for his abilities.
    If I were a betting man I’d say he stays and beats out Gabbert for the starting position and now having written that he will be instantly traded.

    • rob says:

      Right 12 th great point about the deal. This was all about testing the market. Kap will be fully committed to winning the starting job and leading this team when he gets back . Kap will win the job and be our starter which is great news because IMHO he is our best shot at getting somewhere any time soon.

      • 12th Man says:

        Agree Rob. A draft pick QB won’t have an impact quickly, if at all. I liked Gabbert in terms of management but what he showed last year was he doesn’t have the balls to win games, he was Alex Smith on steroids with his check downs. Almost every critical moment in a drive, he failed.
        That leaves Kap and some scrubs. Kap IMO lost confidence in the Niners organization as well as the coaching and probably rightfully so.
        They had some late defections that put the Oline behind the 8 ball and Baalke overestimated the guys he had and the ones he brought in and Kap was lost.

        He is talented, but as many have said, he needs a good supporting cast and a scheme he can fit into to flourish. Who knows what Kelly can do but Kap is the best QB on the roster, and even if they use the first pick on a QB, it is long odds against the rookie being more effective than Kap out of the gate.

  12. unca_chuck says:

    Be careful what you wish for, ROB!!! I have no idea how this plays out. But I’m s little leery of Kappy at this point. And I still think we take Goff if he’s available.

    Some day soon he has to put the bullshit behind him and just go out and play.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    Here’s the crux of the biscuit . . .

    The 49ers may be willing to pay a portion of Kaepernick’s salary with Denver, but not $4.9 million of it, unless the Broncos improve their trade offer, which is believed to be a mid-round pick. The Broncos have made it evident they don’t value Kaepernick on his current deal. The quarterback, in turn, is making it known he doesn’t have a problem making his full salary for 2016 with San Francisco. Kappy meanwhile has stated he would accept a pay cut to go to Denver, but not the drastic one proposed by them.

    There you have it. Plenty of wiggle room all around this.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Well, half the imbecilic fans out there thought Kappy was getting cut.

    I still think he’s going to Denver.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, Kappy isn’t unhappy with the contract. He’s unhappy at the underhanded whisper campaign that this front office engaged in last year, and is very adept at. Leaking reports that he’s ‘on an island’ and the other players think he’s full of himself, the Nessa situation, yadda yadda yadda.

    This isn’t about the contract. He wants starter money in Denver. He’s in much the situation Harbaugh was in at the end. The front office was bad-mouthing him through leaks and innuendo, his stock was dropping, yet he wanted the big money. Kappy just wants it somewhere else.

  16. unca_chuck says:

    Here’s something I’ve suspected all along. It also gives rise to the intellectual capacity of our brethren at the kiddie site . . .

    http://www.vice.com/read/fuckers-who-curse-a-lot-arent-stupid-says-science

  17. rob says:

    Wow I didn’t know the biscuit had a crux ! Lol
    I’m still rolling with my previous comment. I think the answer is pretty simple. Kap’s camp was tesing the market.
    Thankfully Denver is cap poor so to speak.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    Hmmm, somehow I haven’t seen this show.

    Brilliant in its use of language,

  19. unca_chuck says:

    The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

    • rob says:

      Hey I guess you could say Denver will be Kap poor as well LOL.

      My favorite show with lots of swearing is still Deadwood.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    And yes there’s more!

    You want some more? Well, here’s some more. Right here on the floora. How about you, Fauna? Ya wanna?

  21. NJ49er says:

    Chuck I think there’s more than just a passing curiosity about Kaep’s leadership qualities.
    Whisper campaigns can certainly come from anywhere but, when I see him sitting on the sideline, completely detached from Coaches and players, it makes me wonder.
    Add to that, the comment Boone made, about Bridgewater not being a prima dona,and it’s just another reason to wonder, just what his team mates think of him.

    No doubt he’s seeking starter money.
    Problem he’s encountering now is, he lost his job last year.
    Injured? Perhaps. But, he’s gotta make a commitment to work for the Deal he has or, accept the fact that other teams don’t see the same value right now.
    If he isn’t dealt by Draft weekend, I’ll be anxious to see just hard he’s focused on regaining his starting job.
    He’s still running the risk of losing money in SF, as he did last year, if he’s benched in favor of Gabbert.
    I don’t like the fact that he’s the one asking out, regardless of reasons.
    I simply don’t think he’s confident enough to prove he deserves the deal he’s working under.
    Bad juju when the leader doesn’t want to lead.

  22. NJ49er says:

    NYJ are going after some Cap relief now too.
    Reports that they’re targeting D’Brick to reduce/restructure his deal.
    Talk about Cap H3LL?
    NYJ wrote the book.
    Revis has bilked them out of Millions over the years.
    Now, he’s being paid QB money, while they’re trying to find money to pay a QB.
    Can’t make this stuff up….

    Hope Baalke makes a move on Mo before this all comes into focus.
    They can’t begin to think about keeping the F-Tag on him without any money.

    • NJ49er says:

      Revis – 2016 Cap number – $17Mil
      D’Brick – 2016 Cap Number – $14Mil
      Then they’re strapped with Mo looking at $15Mil
      Muhammad Wilkerson signed a 1 year, $15,701,000 contract with the New York Jets, including $15,701,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,701,000. In 2016, Wilkerson will earn a base salary of $15,701,000. Wilkerson has a cap hit of $15,701,000.

      Now?
      What/how to pay the QB?

  23. unca_chuck says:

    Well Kap just saw what happened to RG iii. Backup money on a shitty team after his demotion. At what point does it sink in with him? Who knows? It may or may not. He has the tools, he just has to commit to whatever pans out.

    • rob says:

      Mo is not coming here Imho I would never offer him more than 10 mil per plus incentives. He won’t come here for that. Sone team will offer him 12

      • NJ49er says:

        Rob it’s symantics.
        NYJ have no Cap space.
        They’re painted into a corner.
        And, they’ve got to pay a QB.
        How?
        Regis was a MAJOR mistake.
        We have money, and, a QB that can start.
        Tic.
        Toc.

      • NJ49er says:

        Revis

  24. Nipper says:

    BLEEP II…..!

  25. Winder says:

    Fuck the Jets, fuck the Bronco’s, fuck our FO, and fuck any player that doesn’t want to play for us.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    It’s opening day, Nip!! Haven’t seen you on Flav’s blog.

  27. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, I don’t take anything coming out of Alex Boone’s mouth other than self-serving bullshit. He’s flipped on just about all his comments these past 4 years. He’d have been working at Taco Bell if it wasn’t for the 49ers. What will he say when Minnesota is 7-9 and missing the playoffs? Fuck him.

  28. snarkk says:

    Kap had 5 million guaranteed reasons not to go to Denver — unless they paid him. That’s a no-brainer IMO. I’ll take the $12 million and a clipboard, thanks very much…

  29. unca_chuck says:

    He’s going to Denver. Kubiak talked to Manzeil for God’s sake,

  30. unca_chuck says:

    Spitty agrees with everything I say 100% down the line in his latest screed, and calls me an idiot.

    Ya got me there, skippy. Hyuk!

    What’s even funnier is he contradicts what he wrote 3 days earlier.

    Spitcakes indeed.

  31. NJ49er says:

    In the game of shifting Cap expenses.
    The NYJ were successful in terminating the D’Brick Contract, via retirement, which I’ll assume absolves them of any further Cap implications?

    Then, they turned around, and took a heavy Cap number off Elway’s budget, by accepting Clady’s Contract.
    Let’s see if that buys the NYJ another year with Fitz?
    Still doesn’t seem to address the Mo situation however?

  32. unca_chuck says:

    Well, that clears the way for Kap cap space in Denver.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Or is it cap Kap space?

  34. NJ49er says:

    Take your pick Chuck – Certainly doesn’t bode well for NYJ at the moment.
    Both teams are still looking for a starting QB.
    NYJ did Denver a solid for taking some money off their books.

    • NJ49er says:

      Clady redid his deal for NYJ – Now? Can he stay healthy?
      D’Brick earned his money by playing on Sundays at least.

  35. flyingv67 says:

    I farted around in the Super Bowl.

  36. flyingv67 says:

    I’m really getting tired of the comparisons everyone’s making between Russell Wilson and our beloved Kappy. Sure its nice to have class, character and integrity but there’s also something to say about having a nice sneaker collection, hanging out with gangsters rapping in the ghetto, spending long hours at the tattoo parlor and chillin with the homies. Yes class once did matter but shit is long gone, it took me years to figure out that the raider image is off da hook and instead of criticizing, joining in is what we should’ve been doing all along.

    • Nipper says:

      I’m waiting for V to start his own girls softball team. Getting a tattoo on their asses would be the first requirement. After that, use your imagination.

  37. flyingv67 says:

    I am a teapot. silenced!

  38. unca_chuck says:

    Hey, V. Get off my lawn!!

    • Nipper says:

      He’s taking a dump and the lawn is turning into a V deep brown spot. The gift that keeps on giving!

  39. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, you are speculating wildly about Kaepernick. About his competing for this job, and for the salary constraints put on the contact the Broncos are offering Kaepernick. I’ve heard the deal was dogshit for Kappy to sign. He’s got no reason to shortchange himself $20 mill.

    • NJ49er says:

      Chuck the kicker in all of this is simple.
      Is Kaep willing to work for his current Contract or not?
      He seems to think he can leave, Contract intact, without a hair of leverage.
      He lost his job to Gabbert for a reason. He wasn’t effective.
      Why not prove you can beat Gabbert and keep your coin?

      What’s being reported in Denver is, Kaep isn’t seen as a bonafide starter there either.
      He’s being offered a ‘chance’ to start.

      “According to a source, the Broncos offered Kaepernick a $7 million salary because that’s the going rate for elite backup quarterbacks. The Broncos are only offering Kaepernick a chance to compete with Mark Sanchez for their starting quarterback position.”

      http://tinyurl.com/ha287zv

      As I understand the Contract, he’s guaranteed for injury.
      What’s to stop SF from pulling the RG III lever and, perhaps deactivating him to protect their Cap?
      If he’s benched, and healthy, does he qualify to be paid?
      He wasn’t last year during the period he wasn’t starting.
      He was docked numerous game checks. All within the fine print I guess?

      Point being, he could easily lose money he thinks he can steal by sitting idly by, instead of grabbing what he was paid to do. Be the starter.
      Earn your deal and compete.
      Why whimp out?
      Stinks of complacency to me. A leader leads by example.

  40. rtfirefly says:

    Later days to the San Antonio Spurs’ quest for a record setting undefeated home season! Curry’s one-handed while double-teamed desperation (he was passed the ball with one second on the shot clock) 35 footer was the highlight.
    92-86

  41. unca_chuck says:

    Warriors with a nice run to close out the Spurs. First win in SA since 1997.

  42. Nipper says:

    Congrats to the Warriors. It doesn’t mean anything of course, the season is decided……. the playoffs await but it gives the media something to chew on.

    • rtfirefly says:

      It was a championship series quality game by both teams. The Warriors scored 14 (!!) in the first qtr. and 35 (!!!!!!!) in the first half. Pop was pizzed after and had neither excuses nor answers. That’s good enough for me. ‘If you’re interested and can watch, it’s being replayed tomorrow morn on NBAHD sat channel 216 at 10 AM my time (don’t know, since it’s a replay, if that winds up being 9 AM or 10 AM PDT).

      Record it if you can. Watch this year’s Warriors at their best. See The Baby Faced Assassin show why he’s MVP in the 4th qtr.

  43. unca_chuck says:

    You seem to know that Kaepernick isn’t going to try and beat out Gabbert, NJ. I don’t see how you have that knowledge.

    Denver low-balled the shit out of the deal. Elway is offering a pick they don’t have. They are slow-playing the fuck out of this to see if Baalke flinches. He hasn’t, plus Kaepernick has the cards here. He’s in the cat-bird seat. If Denver ups their deal, he goes to a contender and the Niners get more picks. If they don’t, he stays and gets his money here. I think he understands that he would do well to play his best to garner interest next year. If he pouts and sits on the sidelines, he won’t get the deal he would if he plays well. Will someone pay him? Sure. But I don’t think he’s just going to lay down and hold the clipboard like you seem to be sure of.

    • NJ49er says:

      I’m not sure of anything other than he wants out Chuck.
      I just question what matters to him?
      Keeping your Contract or seeking a fresh start?
      If SF sucks so bad, leave. Pretty obvious that’s what’s at play here.
      That’s the ‘cake and eat it too’ theory I’ve shared.

      Whatever it is that brought him to this decision, sure doesn’t put HIM in the cat-bird seat.
      He’s perceived to be desperate to go, hence, the low-ball offers.
      Agree, you improve your value by proving your worth.
      Supply and demand.
      His stock took a beating after a benching and 3 subsequent surgeries.
      I’m simply asking WTF is going on?

      My point toward the RG III scenario is, what happens if Denver doesn’t up the ante?
      Does Baalke protect his Cap from an injury settlement?
      If so, he gets bubble-wrapped, ala RG III.
      Sitting another year, possibly losing game checks? That’s a ton of potential risk if 2 teams offered him an out already.
      Where does that improve his stock, or his bottom line this year? Or, beyond?

      Then, what if Baalke says ‘not good enough’ to compensation?
      He’s got nowhere to go.
      Played his hand, by asking out.
      It’s just a major head-scratcher, nothing I’m SURE of, beyond that.

      • NJ49er says:

        As I’ve stated several times, simply swapping Picks 31 for 37 damn near nails a 4th RD value this year for Denver.
        I could see Baalke floating a late RDer this year to Elway and, asking for a future Pick in return.
        It still comes back to Kaep accepting another Contract to get out now.
        Which is obviously what precipitated all this mayhem from the jump.

  44. unca_chuck says:

    Shit, Curry was 0.1 seconds late on a made 3/4 court shot to end the 3rd quarter

  45. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, hell of a game. I missed the 1st half. Saw them coming out of the break. Love seeing Curry and Thompson attack in the lane. They can sometimes start firing away too much from beyond the arc. At one point they were 5-24.

    • rtfirefly says:

      The first half was all D by both teams, the best two D teams in the league. It was awesome, championship ball. The Warriors couldn’t do anything until they were able to speed the game up. Then they began to roll and overcome the 9 point hole.

  46. unca_chuck says:

    Got the game on tape. Had to watch the Giants comeback last night. I’ll watch the Warriors tonight.

  47. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up . . .

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