Meanwhile, Back Under Center . . .

The latest from the rumor mill (in this case, Jason Cole), the Denver Broncos are asking Colin Kaepernick to take a $7 million pay cut in order to play for them. His 2016 salary is guaranteed after 1:00 PM today, so any movement isn’t likely. This strikes me as being odd however, because last week, the teams had apparently met in terms of salary, but were dithering over draft picks to finalize the deal. Now it’s about money? Even weirder is Denver’s statement that Kappy is only worth a 4th round pick, and they don’t have one to trade.

My thought is that Denver is trying to build the case for creating a low ceiling in terms of negotiating going forward. As I’ve said before, Trent may not be all that great at drafting, but he’s a shrewd negotiator. He still holds the high cards in this deal. Denver is in desperation mode in regards to their starting QB, and Ryan Fitzpatrick isn’t even in the discussions. They want Kappy. Baalke knows this.

Weird thing is, you have t wonder how Kappy feels about leaving if he’s all of a sudden paid like a backup. Will h e lean toward staying here and fighting for his job? These questions, and more, will be answered as the stomach turns . . .

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54 Responses to Meanwhile, Back Under Center . . .

  1. Nipper says:

    Trent should wait for Denver to pay and pay big time. Squeeze as much out of Denver as possible is the right policy. As he admitted he’s “holding tight.” If it was up to Skeeber’s asylum Kap would be given away for a bag of chips and a belly rub.

  2. Winder says:

    I just hope Kappy will really try and not just mail it in. If he does mail it in his stock will drop even more. All this bullshit can be attributed to total FO mishandling and I don’t see where any of it is gonna get better soon. Kap has to produce for us to even glimpse 8-8. Gabbert sure won’t be the one.

  3. rob says:
    Here’s a list of the prospects we’ve shown interest in

    I’m interested in the NT. Wonder what rd. he’s projected to go in

  4. unca_chuck says:

    Once every 3 days is too fast for you? Come on, man!

  5. unca_chuck says:

    Don’t worry, Rob, Skeebs doesn’t get how negotiations work.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    Speaking of Anthony Davis, his ‘guaranteed’ return to the Niners isn’t as guaranteed as he previously said.

    Just another low-flying wrench . . .

  7. Winder says:

    Hoping that Smelter(sp) pans out this year. that would help a lot. Sooner or later even Baalky has to hit on one of his IR projects. Then all we have to do is find someone who can throw the ball to him.
    rob this whole organization is an April’s fool joke at the moment. And the hits keep coming.

  8. Nipper says:

    Bullit has disappeared on Skeeber’s Asylum and has morphed into Bakkentom a know-it-all who dislikes the Baalke regime with a passion. Goodbye to Bullit and hello Bakkentom!

  9. rob says:

    Yeah I’m looking forward to seeing what smelter can do this year.

  10. Winder says:

    I still get lost in this stuff

    • Winder says:

      and If I already put this one up I’m claiming a bit of slight dementia. listening to a little R&B with baseball just around the corner

  11. unca_chuck says:

    Per Bleacher Report, Colin Kaepernick met with John Elway Thursday. Per sources this is their 2nd meeting since Kappy has been in Vail rehabbing his injuries.

    I give it a week before the deal is finalized.

  12. snarkk says:

    Elway must be thinking that if he can win a SBowl with Manning in a rocking chair, he and Kubiak can teach Kap to be at least that good and maybe steal the division this season…

  13. NJ49er says:

    Chuck the difference between Denver’s 1st (31) and our 2nd (37) is a 4th RD value.
    Baalke could opt to swap with Denver to move from 37 to 31 and maybe get a future Mid RDer thrown in for Kaep?
    Bigger issue for Denver is finding a way to pay Kaep.
    They’ve got no Cap space right now.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    if they lose Clady they are in.

    • NJ49er says:

      Won’t be an easy out for them Chuck –
      His current deal was done in ’13 –

      Ryan Clady signed a 5 year, $52,500,000 contract with the Denver Broncos, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,500,000. In 2016, Clady will earn a base salary of $9,500,000. Clady has a cap hit of $10,100,000 while his dead money value is $1,200,000.

      • NJ49er says:

        Kaep is our most expensive Contract too –
        Denver has practically nothing in terms of Cap space – And no QB at the moment.
        Elway mortgaged the farm for the Ring.
        This is what comes next….

        Cap space – (Top 51) –
        9ers – $56,763,394
        Broncos – $2,857,384

      • NJ49er says:

        And, just for shitz and giggles – Look at the NYJ –
        Another team looking for the most expensive position and nothing in the coffers.
        Revis accounts for $17Mil all by himself, with a Cap hit of $23Mil.
        Voodoo Accounting practices at work.
        This is why they’re between a rock and hard place with Mo.
        The F-Tag is a joke. They still can’t afford him and a QB at the present budget.

        Cap space – (Top 51) –

      • NJ49er says:

        And Elway is whistling out his A$$ with Kaep being worth a 4th, simply because he’s handcuffed on his budget.
        If I’m Baalke, I call his bluff and get what I want, from either team in this situation.
        Kaep is the guy playing with his own money.
        Elway might fleece him in the end but, Baalke holds his Rights.
        And, demand.
        Reality is a B!tch.

  15. NJ49er says:

    While many of us are frustrated with the lack of FA moves, were #1 in terms of Cap space.
    Once the Draft rolls around, many teams have tough decisions to make on how they’re planning to sign their Draftees.
    AZ is already underwater, dead last in the League in terms of budget.
    Mo is the kind of move I’d love to see Baalke make.
    Word out here is that NYJ are seeking a Trade for him already, simply because they can’t pay him.
    Neither, Denver or NYJ, are in a position to call the shots either.
    They need to get a QB onto the roster with some viable starter qualifications.

    Sanchez and Geno? Yeh. Right.

    • rob says:

      Good point NJ about free agents. I haven’t been exactly thrilled by our “haul” so far . 62 mil and we got a Jacksonville Jag and a third QB lol

      • rob says:

        Say it aint so Kap ! Please go for the big money and stay here!

      • NJ49er says:

        Rob, that’s the main issue I have in all of this.
        Kaep doesn’t want to be here.
        What’s that say about ‘being a Leader’?

        His Reps apparently think the money is out there as it’s currently Contracted for.
        Truth be told, Paraag got the upper hand in this deal.
        Now, 3 surgeries, a benching and, no leverage to negotiate with looks like a GREAT vantage point?
        They’re dealing with a Broncos team with no money.
        Explain how that adds up to negotiating from a position of strength?

        When teams like the NYJ, or any of those in Cap H3LL, have to cut players prior to, or shortly after, the Draft, teams like us can find some bargains hopefully.
        As stated, I’ve been on ‘Mo Watch’ for sometime now.

      • NJ49er says:

        This is where Paraag shows his worth, negotiating Contracts, not making Personnel decisions or, deciding when to throw a Challenge Flag or go for 2.

        Stick to the Accounting.
        Leave football decisions to football Coaches.

  16. rob says:

    These second round pass rushers all sound pretty good to me.
    asons with double-digit sack totals, including 12.5 in 2015. The former Cowboy also ran the second-fastest 40-time (4.63 seconds) of any defensive lineman at the combine.Dodd also posted 12.5 sacks last season. There is a debate among analysts over who will be the first Clemson pass-rusher taken in the draft between Dodd and teammate Shaq Lawson.Nassib led the nation last season with 15.5 sacks and six forced fumbles for the Nittany Lions.Calhoun is a three-time All-American for Michigan State and set a career high with 10.5 sacks in 2015

    • rob says:

      This is from Mel Kiper

      • rob says:

        Dodd, Nassib and Calhoun he says will all be there in Rd. two.
        Maybe we can go Stanley in one and one of these in two

    • NJ49er says:

      I bumped Lawson in favor of Tapper.
      Strictly a stats move on my part, since I don’t see Scouting tape and such.
      The Draft process comes down to ‘slotting’ for me.
      If Baalke is targeting a specific area, he’ll shoot for the value as it aligns with the Board depth.
      At Pick 7, grab the ‘best’ player, regardless of position.
      If he’s that good, he’ll improve your current roster.
      I’m not sold on a QB there but, that’s a decision for Chip to chime in on.
      My favorite guy in this Draft is Jalen Ramsey.
      He’ll never get to 7.
      Could go Top 3.

      For me, Fat Man in the Middle or, an Edge Rusher would be fine.
      I think there’s plenty of depth to improve the OL in RDs2-4.
      If Baalke can swing a swap with Denver for Picks 31 & 37, I’d target OT Jason Spiggs or DE Emmanuel Ogbah at 31, if there of course,

      Preferred Fat Man – Sheldon Ranikins/Louisville.

  17. NJ49er says:

    If Baalke could swing a deal for Mo, that takes some pressure off the need for an Edge Guy higher on the Board.
    There’s tremendous DL depth this year too.
    So, the ‘slotting’ comes down to areas of most importance high, depth/development later.

    One guy I’m very high on played with JTartt at Samford.
    James Bradberry – 6’1″/213 (CB) (C) 4.46 (Tkls 129/47)
    He could be a nice option to put some pressure on EReid.
    Versatile enough to play CB/FS.

    Favored FS –
    Sean Davis – MD 6’1″/201 (SS/CB) (C) 4.46 (Tkls 318/50)

    Hoping to see either guy between RDs3-4.

    • rob says:

      For me it’s pretty easy. Pass rusher is our biggest need.
      O- line and D-line as well. I’d be a happy man to see us address all three with our first three picks. Anyone we get at these spots among those upcoming roster cuts would be welcome too.

  18. Winder says:

    QB is our biggest need. If we go with Gabbert all these hotshots D rookies will be gassed by week 7. NJ, I still think you give Baalky WAY to much credit. My guess is he’s sitting somewhere with his finger up his ass.

    • NJ49er says:

      Winder I enjoy the dynamics of what he does.
      It ain’t easy.
      I’m into the process and, I simply want to see him do well for all our interests.
      I just think he’s working for morons that make it much more complicated perhaps?

      He seems to have a pretty good handle on what the value is when he goes into things.
      Just can’t know what the other teams are going to do to your plans along the way.
      And, like Harbaugh, I think the HC gets the nod on the QB position anyway.

      Chip will pick his protegè I’m sure.
      Baalke is best suited to the Defensive side I think.
      I simply hope he and Chip get along better than he and Harbaugh had.
      But, again, I think Paraag caused a lot of that turmoil somehow.
      Cross my fingers and, hope this partnership works.

      • NJ49er says:

        Whether he does it with his finger in his keister, his nose or, wherever, I just hope he improves the areas that matter.
        For me…Protect the QB. Sack the QB.
        Need the Big Uglies in this game.

      • NJ49er says:

        Even if they go QB with Pick 7, he won’t matter a bit for quite sometime anyway.
        I’m lukewarm to that option anyway, but….the future is another concern when you’re Picking this close to the top.
        Just don’t think there’s a slam-dunk prospect at that level.
        But, I’m no Scout either.
        Guys like Montana, Brady and Rodgers came long after the Top 10 too.
        Need a guy that fits what you’re planning to do in the end.

  19. unca_chuck says:

    Like win? This season is likely a wash anyway but putting off developing aQB puts us in the same position next year. Whether it’s Kappy or Gabby we need a future QB NOW. Goff very well could be the next Aaron Rodgers. He could also very well be the next stud we passed on. I’m getting tired of people saying that Brady went in the 6th round and Joe went in the 3rd.

    As big a risk as Goff may be, not developing a QB is even more risky in my book. Otherwise we’ll be going through the circle jerk of revolving coaches and QBs that Ckeve and Wash have been doing fee decades now.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    I’m not singling you out on this, NJ. I just get frustrated that there are so many people willing to dump Kappy and let Gabbert take over. And then say the QB issue is fixed.

    Kappy gives us a better chance of being decent, but the team is fully dependent on THIS draft to be anything other than a 6-10 team. People complain about Kappy’s development, but without a line than can block, you don’t look good. As Brady and Newton showed against Denver. Take a beating all year and you don’t look poised. Simple as that.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    I don’t know who Dianna Marie Russini is other than she works for ESPN. What her tweet is based on, one can only guess. I pinged her on it but I don’t expect to get a response.

    Fishing bullshit it seems to me. Or an attempt to garner retweets. Fuck this shit. It’s bad enough that the team engages in this social media rumor bullshit, but everyone else has to jump in as well. I usually leave this crap to Bakkenbuwwit.

  22. unca_chuck says:

    What IS certain is that Kaepernick showed up at the offseason conditioning session scheduled for today.

    Hey, if he’s taking a pay cut to leave, best not to leave $400,000 on the table. . .

  23. unca_chuck says:

    Found a few comments in the trash filter for some unknown reason. Restored them.

  24. Winder says:

    NJ- I am all for grabbing linemen, we need them on both sides. I am a fan of trench warfare and believe that is where the game is won or lost. But we need a QB even more. I know they don’t just step right in and that there is a learning curve. By drafting a QB with some actual potential it sends a message throughout the organization. We need to build up some respect again not only from players and coaches around the league, we need our own players to buy in.

    • Winder says:

      Kappy is just a stopgap at this point. He doesn’t want to be here and he probably never will. However, even he’s gotta know that the better he plays the better deal down the road.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I’d bet the house that Kappy doesn’t play here this year. Even still, if Goff is available, they need to take him. Next year’s QB class doesn’t thrill me very much. The best guy, Chad Kelly, is a head case. He’s also Jim Kelly’s nephew. He’s got entitlement issues.

    Word is we’re looking to trade up w/Tenn. If so, they it had better be Goff.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Jesus. Didn’t see this coming. New thread is up.

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