We Might Get Fooled Again?

Or we might not. To paraphrase Pete Townsend.

Man, I find it hilarious that people really think that if Harbaugh stayed, Borland and Willis would not have retired. Or that Cox, Cully, and Gore would still be here. The problems this team faces would still be the same under Harbaugh. The PERCEPTION of the team would be different, but who gives a shit about that? Well, a lot of so-called fans who bemoan the ideal that St. Jim wasn’t trending down, or that his window was closing with the team that Trent Baalke (and ol’ Scotty the Tippler) built.

Like the fact that the problems with this offense that were supposedly going to be fixed last year, weren’t. Still too many inopportune time outs. Still too many 3rd and short failures. Too many 3 and out drives. Yeah we had injuries. But so did the defense. Moreso in fact. But the defense held together for the most part. The offense was a mishmash of poorly designed and executed plays. Blocking was poor to awful. And the lack of any kind of pushing the offense to new heights was squashed.

Near the end of the Raider game when we were close, but down 2 scores with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter and the season on the line, we plodded down the field, using up the play clock every play, as we burned 5 minutes gaining 51 yards, and missed the FG. No no-huddle, no quick plays called at the line, no hurry-up. Just the same plodding offense.

Harbaugh and Roman had to go.

RIP Bob St. Clair


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85 Responses to We Might Get Fooled Again?

  1. Winder says:

    I think Gore might have stayed but that is just a guess. The good ship Harbaugh has sailed and people should just let it go. I can’t tell what’s gonna happen but I like the fact that there is a possibility for an interesting offense. We shall see.

  2. Berger says:

    No worry Winder. It’s great to have you around posting. I just completely disagreed with that one. I think I usually agree with you.

    • Winder says:

      Berger, we’re all Niner fans here and that’s all that really matters. I been watching the game for a long-time now and I still don’t know the difference between a 1,2,or 3 gap, meaning that I am not a student of the game just an observer.

      • Berger says:

        There are A and B gaps on offense. A is between center and guard and B is between guard and tackle. On defense they are called techniques nowadays. Over center is 0, 3 is between guard and center and 5 is the outside of the tackle. We need NoFear for this. He knows the book smart of football like a librarian. When it comes to strategy is where it is time to stop listening to his expertise. He still thinks Nolan is a good head coach.

        I know you will read this NoFear. I can’t wait to hear form you!

  3. unca_chuck says:

    Gore I ain’t 100%, maybe 90%, on but yeah with cully and cox. Years and money do matter though. Even to Frank

  4. unca_chuck says:

    Poor little spitty. Such s big voice on such a little prick,. kicked off of every blog eh in fits of jjuvie anger when everyone ignores the ramblings.

    Even the Skeebs
    brigade don’t listen to his Harbaugh worship.

  5. 12th man says:

    I don’t think Gore stays either, Frank still feels he has several years left in the tank at the elite level and the Niners didn’t see it that way. I also think Frank was worried about how many carries he would get and as for Borland, what possible difference would it make who the HC is to a kid that retired from fear of head injuries? Maybe Harbaugh would have let him just stay on the sidelines and cheer his teammates on? Delusional barely covers that lame argument.

    Haven’t read anything at Skeebs in a long, long time. I found the place to just be a downer. Let me know when sanity returns.

    • Winder says:

      yeah, it’s gonna be fun over there when/if we start winning. And since they are all die-hard Niner fans hopefully they will enjoy the season. But if we come out and stink up the place, then I just don’t know.

      • 12th man says:

        Depressed Niner fans maybe. Maiocco put the chances of a Niner return to playoffs at less than 50%. Certainly it is the popular opinion that the Niners will take a step back.
        I think they have less talent now, which will be a huge factor, and just don’t know what to expect from a coaching perspective. Regardless of outcome, Harbaugh had already taken a step back, so I don’t see the argument the crazies make of “anything less than a SB is failure”. Harbaugh was failing and had historically already failed, with the best talent in the NFL.

        Move along, nothing to see here.

      • Berger says:

        The Super Bowl win or bust was because we had the most talented roster in football for 3 years. That was the best opportunity we had since the 90s and Harbaugh did not deliver. Anytime our window is open it will be title or bust. I think our talent is still good enough to go all the way but for three years we were in the top 3 as favorites. We aren’t close to that now.

        I feel better about the current coaching staff than with Harbaugh’s obvious downward spiral that had started to unfurl. Boone just came out this week-end and said Harbaugh had worn out his welcome.

      • 12th man says:

        Interestingly enough Harbaugh admits he wears out his welcome.

  6. Berger says:

    I think from a pure talent stand point Erik Armstead is the best player we could possibly get at 15. Problem is he is raw. It makes him a project so I think we’ll go in a different direction.

    • 12th man says:

      CB or WR for me please.

      • Berger says:

        I think it will be CB or DL. The CB from LSU maybe or on the DL Brown from TexA$$. Waynes, the CB from MSU, plays so much bump and run there is a question if he can cover with traditional NMFL technique. The way he plays now, he would be a penalty flag machine. That is why I am going with the CB from LSU. Plus, Baalke likes drafting from the SEC.

  7. rtfirefly says:

    Ha! Tim Tebow to sign 1 yr. deal with the Iggles. There, ya go, Chuck. Run with it.

  8. Nipper says:

    At least we don’t have Tebow on the roster. That should make Skeebs happy for ten seconds.

  9. NJ49er says:

    Berger there’s another option at ILB for me, OLB Jake Ryan from Michigan.
    6’3″/238 (ILB?)
    He’s a guy that could be had in RD3-4 perhaps.
    Very good production.
    Most of the ILBs in this years’ class are a bit on the short side.

    Very possible that several of them could be moved inside?
    See how Baalke plays the process…

    Here’s the predictions I’ve settled on for the LB position –

    OLB –
    Alvin (Bud) Dupree – UK 6’4″/269
    Eli Harold – UVA 6’4″/235
    Jake Ryan – Michigan – 6’3″/238 (ILB?)
    Edmund Robinson – Newberry – 6’3″/245
    Mike Hull – PSU – 6’0″/237 (ILB?)

    ILB –
    Stephone Anthony – Clemson 6’2″/245
    Eric Kendricks – UCLA – 6’0″/232
    Ben Heeney – KS – 6’0″/231
    Bryce Hager – Baylor – 6’1″/234
    Taiwan Jones – MI St – 6’3″/252

    • Berger says:

      A player on your list that I really like is Taiwan Jones. He’s a lot like Borland but much bigger. He should be available in the 4th round.

      • NJ49er says:

        Only knock on him is his speed Berger.
        He didn’t run very well, (4.90)
        However, he’s got an ingredient Baalke likes, LONG (34″) arms 😀

        One thing that is impressive, he played on a very stout Defense vs the run at MI State.
        He’s being compared to Brandon Spikes.
        Could find him in RD4-5 too.
        See what happens….

      • NJ49er says:

        Jake Ryan could easily add another 10-15 lbs at 6’3″ as well.

  10. unca_chuck says:

    Tebiw may not survive TC RTF.

    Speaking of standing on the sidelines . . .

  11. unca_chuck says:

    Poor spitty is in full ‘please notice me!’ Mode.

    Between he, NoFear and flying vagina, quite the shit show . . .

  12. unca_chuck says:

    How’s Taiwan in coverage? Borland’s one shortcoming was stopping into coverage. No one equals Willis, but even he was getting burned last year before he went downs.

  13. Lurker John says:

    Love the old pic of Pete Rozelle doing the draft on a chalkboard, Chuck. Those were the days, eh? lol

  14. Lurker John says:

    “He does a great job of giving you that spark, that initial boom,” Boone explains. “But after a while, you just want to kick his ass. . . . He just keeps pushing you, and you’re like, ‘Dude, we got over the mountain. Stop. Let go.’ He kind of wore out his welcome. . . .”

    This kind of an odd comment from Boone. Exactly which mountain did you get over, Alex? It clearly wasn’t getting a Super Bowl ring. Regardless, there’s no question you guys are right; the Harbs ship has sailed and it ain’t coming back. Continuing to harp on is a waste of time and energy,

    Let’s see what happens in the draft.

  15. Berger says:

    NFL schedules are coming out tomorrow!

  16. unca_chuck says:

    NFL Network has devoted 3 hours to it . . .

    It actually is pretty enjoyable fucking with Bullit. He’s such an knee-jerk jerk-off. He and NoFear are the tweedle-dee and tweedle-dick of the internets. Good to know I’m a constant nagging buzz in their collective empty heads.

    • 12th man says:

      I’m looking forward to going to the Steeler game whenever that is. One of the few teams I haven’t seen play in person.

    • Winder says:

      What could they actually talk about for 3 fucking hours. The only thing I look at since I’m not a ticket holder any longer is travel time, cold weather games, and time slots(monday’s). Takes me about 2 minutes.

      • NJ49er says:

        Same for me Winder.
        I start at 8-8 and factor from there.
        I expect a slow start simply due to regime/scheme changes too.

        Cold weather games late become a factor too.
        Be nice to get travel games East in warmer weather & B2B if possible so we can stay over between too.

        Find out tomorrow…

  17. rob says:

    the guys who tried to rally around harbaugh during the season are now free to set the record straight.

  18. rob says:

    now we know for sure and can use the ‘L’ word. jim harbaugh lost the team and had to go plain and simple

  19. Nipper says:

    At least Harbaugh was thrifty. When he wore out his pants he shopped at the nearest Walmart. Now that’s my kind of guy!

  20. NJ49er says:

    Here’s my predictions on the D-Line – No particular order…..

    DT –
    Malcom Brown – UT – 6’2″/320
    Grady Jarrett – Clemson – 6’1″/304
    Marcus Hardison – AZ State – 6’3″/307
    Derrick Lott – UT Chat – 6’4″/314
    Carl Davis – Iowa – 6’5″/320

    DE –
    Danielle Hunter – LSU 6’5″/252 (OLB?)
    Corey Crawford – Clemson – 6’5″/283
    Preston Smith – MS State – 6’6″/270
    Henry Anderson – Stanford 6’6″/287
    Anthony Chickillo – Miami 6’3″/270

    Still want DE/OLB Lynden Trail from Norfolk St too – Have him as a possible conversion option to TE – Not that fast though. Best 40 I’ve seen from him was his Pro Day attempt which netted him a 4.86
    He moves well though for big guy.

    Lynden Trail (OLB/DE) – Norfolk State 6’7″/269 (TE?)

  21. unca_chuck says:

    RIP Bob the Geek St Clair. HOF lineman who blocked for the million dollar backfield and for John Brodie through the early 60s.

    Had the pleasure of meeting him at Harry’s Hof Brau in RC when I was 16.

    • NJ49er says:

      Ditto Chuck.
      Years ago my wife and I did a Japanese Hibatchi Grill joint out here.
      A guy at our table was asked how he wanted his steak prepared.
      He said, ‘when it hits the grill, flip it over. When that side hit’s the grill, throw it on my plate’.

      I laughed and asked are you Bob St Clair from the 9ers?
      He said no, but I learned how to eat my steaks from watching him.
      He just couldn’t go ‘raw’ he said, so he has them kill the bacteria first.

      RIP Bob.

  22. NJ49er says:

    Berger here’s the CB I chose over TCU CB Kevin White –
    Steven Nelson – OR State –

    Saw him at the Senior Bowl.
    Kid is tough, disruptive and handled his business against guys like Jaelen Strong and Nelson Agholor.


    This is my Wish List for the CB position – Again, no particular order.
    Marcus Peters makes it too – I just have him on the Risk/Reward side of the ledger.
    He’s got some baggage concerns.

    Kevin Johnson – WFU – 6’1″/188
    Eric Rowe – Utah – 6’1″/205 (FS?)
    Byron Jones – UCONN – 6’1″/199
    Justin Cox – MS State – 6’1″/191
    Steven Nelson – OR St – 5’10″/197

  23. Berger says:

    I’m still upset about the loss to the Lions in the 1957 NFL semi-finals, and I wasn’t even born yet! Bob St Clair explained it on the radio in Reno some years back. He said they had a big lead but by halftime also had 4 injured CBs and no way to stop the passing game. I’ve often read and heard about that game but no mention of our loss of 4 CBs was ever made. When Bob explained it I finally had a decent reason for the collapse. It still stings, right up there with Fred Merkel of the 1908 Giants who didn’t step on 2nd base to cost us the pennant! RIP Bob St Clair!

  24. robbiedeluca says:

    Hmm me being me i’m still hoping for shelton or waynes. If neither lasts until 15 maybe trade down a few spots and go malcolm brown or jalen collins.

    • robbiedeluca says:

      NJ 49er any thoughts on Collins ?

      • Berger says:

        The best way to explain is he is a deluxe Culliver. All the necessary talent and more, just inexperienced. Collins is long, big and fast plus he is a leaper. I say he is worth the pick because if he doesn’t develop as a CB he would be a good safety. Some say he will probably develop into the best corner in this draft.

      • NJ49er says:

        I omitted Collins from my Wish List in favor of Eric Rowe Rob.
        Either guy appears worthy of a pick in the 1st 2 RDs.
        I just like Rowe better, simply because he’s got FS experience and tackles very well.

        Would love to snag Steven Nelson in RD3 however.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    He’s raw, but his upside is near limitless. He’s only started 10 games, but he’s got size, speed , and strength.

  26. Berger says:

    A Washington newspaper says we have the #1 toughest schedule. Let’s do this!

    • NJ49er says:

      We’re ranked at #3 (.561) Berger, Seattle at #4 (.559).
      Only Pittsburgh #1 (.578) and Cincy #2 (.563) are statistically worse than us.

      We’re a total enigma at this point, in terms of scheme identity.

      I’m going to remain the ever optimistic 9er fan however.
      My prediction – A 9-7 season.

      • Berger says:

        I’m not making any predictions until I see if we have a decent play caller. We haven’t had one in years.

      • NJ49er says:

        Basing my prediction simply on the schedule/opponent.

        Praying for something that resembles a balanced Offense too.
        No matter what, I’m tuned in and hoping for the best.

  27. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, timing is everything I suppose.

  28. Berger says:

    Steve Kerr of the Warriors has just entered the title or bust territory. The Warriors window is now open so it is title or bust. McClellen of the Sharks and Harbaugh couldn’t deliver with their open windows and Bochy did. Did he ever! We need to get this window back open for Tomsula. We’re still very close and still a possible contender. Our roster is still good but window open good? That’s the question. IMO, it depends how good our front 7 is on defense. Without McDonald and Smith, those are big cleats to fill. And of course, Patrick Willis s gone too.

    • NJ49er says:

      Our entire philosophy is changing on both Offense and Defense this year.
      I have a bit better expectations from Mangini on the Defensive side.

      I’m also hoping Steve Logan can get some WCO elements introduced early to speed Kaep’s progressions up.

      See what comes…..

      • Berger says:

        I have more confidence in this coaching staff than the Harbaugh situation which was unraveling. Harbaugh was good for a while but his management style is scorched Earth. It will probably work better in college since the player turnover is faster. I am glad we had Harby but I am also glad he is gone. Watching his offense was severe torture. I’m hoping the new OC does a much better job of creating a rhythm on offense. He can hardly do worse. For being a former NFL QB it was astonishing to watch how bad Harbaugh’s play calling was.

  29. unca_chuck says:

    The Warriors could very well look a lot different next year, so the do really have to roll this playoffs. Draymond Green being the biggest challenge to keep. Lee can go.

  30. NJ49er says:

    Berger here’s the Wish List for TE/RB –

    TE –
    Clive Walford – Miami – 6’4″/251
    Jesse James – PSU – 6’7″/261
    Devin Funchess (WR) – UM – 6’4″/232
    Blake Bell (QB) – OK – 6’6″/252
    Brian Parker – Albany – 6’4″/265

    RB –
    Jay Ajayi – Boise St – 6’0″/221
    Jeremy Langford – MI State – 6’0″/211
    David Johnson – UNI – 6’3″/229
    Javorius ‘Buck’ Allen – USC – 6’0″/221
    Malcolm Brown – TX – 5’11″/224

    • NJ49er says:

      Add Darren Waller from the Conversion Candidates list as well –

      Darren Waller – (WR) – GA Tech – 6’6″/238 (TE?)

      • NJ49er says:

        Waller could be a faster/taller/cheaper option to Funchess.
        He turned in a 4.46 and 37″ vertical. Good shuttle time for a big guy too. Very nimble.
        For comparison –
        Kevin White did a 4.14 at 6’3″/215
        Waller managed a 4.25 at 6’6″/238
        Not too shabby.

      • Berger says:

        Maybe, but can he catch everything close to him without breaking stride like Funchess does. That is a special talent.

  31. Nipper says:

    The Draft……..one big meat market. Mooo……

  32. NJ49er says:

    Berger the Funchess/Waller comparison not only takes size/speed/stats into consideration.
    The Draft is all about the slots associated with guys that might be similar.
    Neither guy is guaranteed to be a slam dunk in the NFL.
    Most every player taken is taken with the hope of development in mind.

    Funchess may be a RD2 slot.
    Waller could be a guy you can steal in RD5?

    For now, I’d hope Baalke puts a higher RD value on the Defense.

  33. Berger says:

    NJ- You can compare measurables but game footage is better. Watch how well Funchess catches the ball in traffic. He uses his body well for positioning too. He is a very fluid athlete. I can also show you a video of him getting his head above the rim on a basketball court. This is a red zone weapon deluxe.

    • NJ49er says:

      No argument Berger.
      Both guys are Red Zone targets because of height.
      Jimmy Graham-like.

      All I’m suggesting is that RD2 could be better valued for a Defensive position?
      You know me, I’m still holding out hope for a Fat Man in the Middle 😀

      Funchess is fine with me. We’ll see how Baalke values the Board once the players start coming off.
      I think there’s better value in RDs 2-4 myself.
      If the perfect guy isn’t there for us at 15, dropping back into the bottom of RD1 and, getting an extra Pick or 2, could work out just fine, we’ll see…

  34. Berger says:

    Funchess can get up in the air, think red zone.

    • NJ49er says:

      Funchess did a 38.5″ Vert – Waller 37″
      Pretty similar guys IMO.
      Waller is just faster and more nimble IMO.
      Neither guy is Calvin Johnson in terms of production but, either of them could be a nice TE conversion candidate and definitely could be used in the Red Zone.

      See what happens….

      For now, I’m just hoping Logan can improve the passing game production.
      Gotta go Defense in this Draft.

      With Miami signing Greg Jennings today, there might be a chance that Devante Parker could get to us in RD1, we’ll see?

      • Berger says:

        Ga Tech and Michigan both ran offenses that are not conducive to a players numbers. For the offenses they both played in their numbers are pretty good.

  35. NJ49er says:

    Here’s my WR predictions –
    No specific order involved – That’s Baalkes’ job.

    WR – Slot /Z –
    Nelson Agholor – USC – 6’0″/198
    Devin Smith – Ohio St – 6’1″/199
    Justin Hardy – E Car – 5’10″/192
    Tre McBride – W&M – 6’0″/210
    Tyler Lockett (WR) – KS State – 5’10″/182

    WR – Outside /X –
    Jaelen Strong – ASU – 6’3″/215
    Breshad Perriman – UCF – 6’2″/212
    Chris Conley – UGA – 6’3″/213 (Kevin White-light?)
    Tony Lippett – MI State – 6’2″/192 (CB?)
    Dezmin Lewis – Central AR – 6’4″/214

  36. NJ49er says:

    Unless DParker sneaks through the 1st 14 Picks, I’m not convinced any of these WRs is worthy of Pick 15.
    I also have DGB as a Risk/Reward option at WR – Assuming his Red Flags were addressed in a positive way.

    I like the fact that Kaep worked with JStrong/DGB in AZ this off-season but, I’m not sure either is worth a Pick there at 15?

    Either get a stud for the Defense there or, Trade down.

  37. Berger says:

    I’m confident that Dial can replace McDonald quite well. I’m a bit worried about replacing Justin Smith. We will probably have a drop off there. Nobody replaces Patrick Willis. We have very good CB prospects already on the team, problem is they are prospects so it is hard to feel good about them without seeing them play. A good D-line makes pro CBs out of average CBs. We’ve been able to plug and play CBs the last few years because our front 7 has been so good. We might not have that luxury this year.

    • NJ49er says:

      Hence the reason I’d like a Fat Man in the Middle in the 1st 2 RDs.

      Unless a Top WR or OT lands in our lap perhaps?
      Up to Baalke to work the slots.

      Malcom Brown maybe Shelton at 15?
      Can’t wait for Thursday next week.

  38. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up

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