17 Days til the Draft. Let the Speculation Begin

Well, this is down time. Unless you enjoyed A) the Giants getting their World Series Championship rings, raise the chamipnship banner, and see Buster get his hardware (NL MVP and Silver Sluggger awards (yay!)), and then B) watching St Louis crush them 14-3 on their way to taking 2 of 3 in the Giants home-opening series (ha ha, StL still blew the NLCS. Giants are the defending champs!).

Anyhow, most of the free agants have ben unfreed, moves have been moved, the player shuffles have been shuffled, and new coaching staffs have conveniently installed their scapegoats for the upcoming season. The draft is the next big event on the horizon. As usual, the consensus is that there’s no consensus regarding the 49ers. People have the Niners trading up for a bona fide safety lock in Brenda Vaccaro, trading up for a stud DT in say, Sheldon Richardson or Sylvester Williams; trading out of the 1st round (not sure why unless we get players); or merely waiting to see who’s left as the draft progresses, and still pick up guys like DT Margus Hunt and S Jonathan Cyprien. Dark horses like WR Keenan Allen from Cal get bandied about, as well as TEs like Zach Ertz and Tyler Eifert. The Niners ertainly have flexibility with these 2 picks so close to eachother, and teams despeate for someone could easily give the Niners an additional pick close to their spot anyway, and get their guy plus a pick. Curiouser and curiouser.

Frankly, I have no clue. I’ve been fairly good at figuring out needs at least, but I sure didn’t pick the last 2 first rounders in Aldon Smith and AJ Jenkins. 2010 was easy as the Niners NEEDED O line help at all costs, and drafted 2 guys (almost) back to back in Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati. I think trading back is out (5% chance), trading up is about a 20% chance, and standing pat to wait and see what is available is likely (75%) their strategy. Who they get at 31 and 34 is a mystery as well, but those 2 I mention above are likely. If not those guys, then guys that are in those positions. The farther down we go, the harder it gets to even guess as to what they do.

That all being said, I think the Niners go:

31 – S (Cyprien) – Big guy, hybrid like Baalke digs
34 – DL (Magnus Von Magnus) – Big, fast, physical, 26 tho
63 – CB (Blidi Wreh-Wilson) – Tall tough corner. Fast.
74 – WR (Da’Rick Rogers) – Big, strong, hard to tackle
93 – DE (Cornelius Washington) – Long lanky under-the-radar guy. Sound familiar?
128 – C (Brian Schwenke) – Schwing! Cal guy. Center.
131 – S (Honey Badger) – If he’s here, he’s worth the risk.
157 – RB (Lattimore) – Why not? Much like Frank Gore, a health risk that paid off greatly. He can wait on the bench a season.

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172 Responses to 17 Days til the Draft. Let the Speculation Begin

  1. TOUCHDOWN TOMMY's avatar TOUCHDOWN TOMMY says:

    Brooks, Staley, Vernon Davis and Rogers will have to renegotiate the back end of their deals or be cut loose.
    They will all be in their 30’s and that’s where you find the money to sign the younger stars..
    Letting Mike Iupati go in his prime is sheer stupidity. You at least slap a franchise tag on him.
    All Pro Guards do not grow on trees. Unfortunately that was a foolish observation with little merit.

    • NJ49ER's avatar NJ49er says:

      I’m curious to see how Carlos fairs with Nnamdi on the Roster now Tommy.
      I’m not ruling out the possibility that Carlos is either restructured or, flat out released if Nnamdi provides enough of an argument to take his spot on the Roster.

      We’ll get younger in the Secondary after Draft weekend concludes.
      We just need to develop them while the Vets hold down the positions.

    • phil fan's avatar philippinefan says:

      Yeah good point = let’s keep Iupati fer sure

  2. NJ49ER's avatar NJ49er says:

    With money saved on Goldson, and Alex Smith, Baalke was able to add depth and move some of that savings toward Anthony Davis.

    Paraag gets a lot of credit in this process as well.
    We are fast becoming a Model Franchise because, the Front Office is making smart business decisions on players that deserve to be paid.
    The contingency is always to have depth, in case you can’t retain the guys you want to keep.

  3. TOUCHDOWN TOMMY's avatar TOUCHDOWN TOMMY says:

    Just a few years ago both fans and local media were mocking Paraag Mareth.
    Turns out to be a very smart guy with multiple degrees and a guy that understands contracts and the salary cap.
    Just like these so called fans were laughing at Trent Baalke’s name equating him to a character on the show “Perfect Strangers”. Ignorant people can be foolish judging anyone by their name and just because you are not familiar with his resume and accomplishments.
    People that mocked Baalke like the Terry Donahue and the Joe Thomas names because they are apple pie and safe never mind they were incompetent. Ignorance goes hand in hand with intolerance.

  4. RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

    Jaysus Chuck-
    This Elmer Gantryish holier-than-you hypocrisy from quarters that have always maintained that Alex Smith has always been a good-to-great starting QB in the NFL is making your blog funnier and more ironic than The Daily Show…

  5. NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

    The stark hypocrisy is what makes it so funny from the guy of a thousand screen names who mocks everyone and every opinion not in line with his.

    IIRC people were irritated with Marathe’s (not Mareth) seat in the booth and mic to the coach and mostly his spread-sheet method of drafting players.

    Take your trolling bullshit back home to the protection of your defend-Alex-at-all-costs homies, homie.

    • TOUCHDOWN TOMMY's avatar TOUCHDOWN TOMMY says:

      NoFear

      Everything you accuse me of you yourself are guilty of , but you’ve always lived the double standard with postings festooned with hypocrisy.
      Look in the mirror before you start casting stones .
      Make it your life’s mission to follow Alex Smith around the NFL and bash him.
      I supported Alex Smith when he was the starting quarterback of the Forty Niners and they were winning. Something you couldn’t do and you disappeared from the Forty Niner blogosphere for almost the entire season and it was so obvious.
      So where were you when the team went 13-3 and defeated the New Orleans Saints in the Playoffs? Can’t handle the truth and deal with what’s real?

      • NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

        How is it you know anything about such history anyway? I thought your story was you were new here.

        Your reality is anything but real and truth. Stick with what you know and you won’t sound so stupid. Understand that will necessitate taking your act to the ‘idiotic clown’ blogs.

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        It’s not clever or strength of any kind for the blog host to have two different screen names. Nobody is falling for Unca Chuck as Touchdown Tommy. The reality is Chuck’s voice is convoluted because he takes different positions with both screen names. In my opinion it just hurt Chuck’s blog.

  6. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Well, thank God we have you to keep score, RedBullittDog TT. You’ve catalogued and tracked every post made by everyone on this blog and Skeebers for 3 years running. Bully. When the team sucks, they catch heat, eh? I dogged Marathe mainly beause he was Nolan’s eye-in-the-sky where it came to the red flag back in the day. When Nolan challenged the FG with a red flag that was not a flaggable situation, he looked like an idiot. Like I said earlier, when the team wins, they all look like geniuses. Lose and they don’t. I’ve gone over this before. The only diff between 2010 and 2011 was Harbaugh. Granted, the team drafted well sporadically in the late 2000s, but when Singletary was shown the door, NO ONE thought the Niner front office was anything but a disaster. Too many chiefs, no communication, major clusterfuck. To look back now and say we were stupid for questioning the FO is laughable. If you had said after Sing was shown the door that the Niners would be instant Super Bowl contenders, I’d take that 6:34 post a little more seriously.

    We’ll all see this year, RTF. With Alex gone, I seriously don’;t give a rat’s ass, other than the fact that if Alex does well we get a 2nd rounder. KC is a decent team that had squadoosh at QB last year. Granted, they’ll get better than 2-14 because they play in a weak-assed division, but how much better remains to be seen. If he falls on his face, will I cry? No, but I think he’ll do well enough to get KC into playoff contention. I just glad the Niners got what they got for him. For all the pissing and moaning around Alex all these years, I nailed the call that he’d get traded, and what they got for him.

    Elmer Gantry? Please. Since we’re all speculating here, it’s comments like that which make me think you are TT. My take on Alex is was and will be that he was misused/fucked over by Nolan/Sing, and finally had decent coaching in 2011-2012. He took advantage of it, but was outshined by Kappy. He ain;t Jesus, or the 2nd coming of Joe, but he ain’t Tebow either.

  7. RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

    Me as TT? Now THAT’S funny, Chuck.
    Lest you forget, I picked Alex to go the Chiefs first. In the nation as I recall, since I found other references to such a move anywhere but in my typed words…
    And in Tim Tebow’s last chance as a starting QB (in only his second year in the league no less), he led a team which hadn’t made the playoffs in years, was 1-5, and proceeded to pave the way to be able to throw for over 300 yards in a big upset (I predicted) over the defending AFC Champions IN THE PLAYOFFS.
    When did Alex ever lead a team comeback like that in the NFL?
    You as Skip Bayless perhaps.

  8. RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

    *no* other references – my editing error

  9. RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

    Ahhh, it’s good to be back LOL. Has the season started yet?

  10. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Hmmm, how about 2 TDs in the final 2 minutes vs NO? How quickly you forget. Where is ol’ Timmy these days? Trying to catch on as a punt returner?

    I don;t think you are TT, RTF. He’s his own special brand of looney. But since everyone seems to enjoy accusing others of being still other others, when in Rome . . .

    • Grumpy Guy's avatar Grumpy Guy says:

      We are all Spartacus.

      • phil fan's avatar philippinefan says:

        Funny I’m reading (audiobook actually) The Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, Spartans vs Athenians. Spartacus came later in the Roman Republic but like us he fought a hopeless and losing war. Luckily for him it wasn’t against nameless foes in the blogosphere.

        (Was that yer point GG?)

  11. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Look, is Timmy T-bow suffering the safe fate as Alex? I don’t really buy that, as he’s been around the NFL for quite a while now, and he rarely seems to be thought of as a viable NFL QB. During the grind of preseason, practices, the regular season, and all that, i don’t think the coaches are saying “Yeah, he’s good, but the whole God thing turns me off.” Coaches are about results, and he doesn’t get much praise for his accuracy, his footwork, or his mechanics.

    The hooraw around his faith is a red herring. it has nothing to do wth his aility. NFL coaches don’t care. Woody was a fool for gettng him from Denver, as it was strictly a PR stunt that backfired. Look at Smith. Lousy coaching, lousy results. Good coach, good results. Would Tebow do better in a system built around him? Possibly, but his flaws follow him wherever he goes. Smith always had at least the ability, mechanics, and footwork, flawed as it may be, to be at least a viable NFL QB.

    Shit, can’t get away from Alex . . . even after he’s gone.

    • JDR's avatar JDR says:

      If Tebow were a red-headed Lutheran from Ohio he’d be selling cars for a living right now. The only reason he ever even sniffed an NFL roster, let alone the first round of the draft, is the huge bucks he brings from the God Squad.

      • NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

        Really? What’s the “God Squad” and what’s your source on that claim?

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

        You need a source, NoFear? Look at all the lunatics levelling death threats at John Elway for daring to question Tebow’s ability. Or the uproar around this season in Denver where fans were (seriously) questioning whether getting Manning over Tebow was the correct move.

      • JDR's avatar JDR says:

        The church groups who raised money to put a billboard on I-25 asking Broncos management to start Tebow? The fans who made his jersey one of the top selling in the league when he was drafted by Denver and again when he was traded to the Jets?

        Maybe… just maybe… THAT “God Squad”?

      • NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

        Not very definitive is it. Sounds like a convenient term for disparaging the guy along with his fans and faith all at once. Luckily for his in-your-face critics he’s not muslim.

    • JDR's avatar JDR says:

      It’s incredibly definitive. He has a group of ardent supporters who will back him on every team he goes to because he is an evangelical Christian. If you really think his faith has been anything but a huge boost to his popularity and NFL career you’re a fucking idiot.

      • NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

        Well, that wasn’t the question was it. I asked what you meant by ‘God Squad’ and what you used to base your claim that it was the only reason he was in the NFL. Disregarding his Heisman, college championships and other outstanding accomplishments to bash his faith makes you the fucking idiot as well as an intolerant asshole.

        Do you think Reggie White couldn’t play football either?

      • JDR's avatar JDR says:

        Reggie White is the all-time NFL sack leader. Tim Tebow can’t throw a goddam spiral fifteen yards down the field. The guy is a good athlete and a very good college player, but it’s been proven beyond even the slightest doubt that he is not a good NFL quarterback. Virtually everyone who has watched him and isn’t blindly advocating for him because they want to see an outspoken Evangelical Christian as a star NFL QB knows this.

        And if not liking the Evangelical platform of denying others civil rights based on where they want to put their genitals makes me ‘intolerant’ than yes, I guess I’m not a very tolerant person when it comes to ignorance and hate.

      • NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

        JDR, plenty of great college players have a rough time making the transition to the pros. It seems your problem with Tebow lies elsewhere. We put up with Alex Smith since ’05.

        As far as your perception of the ‘Evangelical platform’, everyone has some problem with who does what with/to whom. It’s merely a matter of where the line is drawn. A difference of opinion does not always equate to hate and ignorance.

  12. Grumpy Guy's avatar Grumpy Guy says:

    Chuckle. Something in my last post triggered Chuck’s Spam Filter. Maybe the name, “Chilo Rachal?”

  13. TOUCHDOWN TOMMY's avatar TOUCHDOWN TOMMY says:

    Let’s clear some things up on the red flag challenge myths. Nolan did allow Marathe to sit with the coaches as an extra set of eyes but the big myth was Marathe was the decision maker on when to throw the challenge flag. That is absolutely false and everyone started hating Paraag and got their knickers in a twist because they believed this and it was never explained fully.
    Singletary changed things when he become the full time head coach. He hired ex NFL referee the retired Ron Blum to review plays. In hindsight this was a shrewd and smart move.
    Currently Harbaugh relies on the coaches in the booth specifically Fangio and Roman and the other coaches in the booth. He also hold them accountable.

  14. RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

    Wow. Alex, backed up by the league’s best defense and best offensive line, managed a couple minutes of highlights in his 18th year. I’m impressed.
    That was Tebow’s FIRST extended tryout as a starter coming in his 2nd season. On a team that was in tatters when he took over. Hmmm, how did Alex hold up emotionally and on the scoreboard on a moribund team? Ahet, ahem.
    As far as the Jets’ judgement qualifying as an indictment of Tebow,
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    -Spartacus

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

      Denver’s defense was hurt when Orton was pulled. And they were hardly in tatters. They were a middle-of the-road team in the weakest division in football. Their defense improved as the season went along. And they won 1 of 5 to steam into the playoffs. The only reason they MADE the playoffs was because the Raiders cratered nearly as bad, and the Chargers couldn’t overome their 6 game losing streak.

      The big question is, why isn’t Tebow playing QB anywhere? The Jets may be stupid, but no one is throwing a 2 and a 4 (or even a bag of footballs) athe Jets for his services. To say it’s his faith is to ignore the reality that there are a growing number of coaches who have seen his practices to understand that he’s a liability at QB. Nothing more, nothing less.

      • RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

        Yes, I’d say 1-5 (4-12 in 2010) in the weakest division in football qualifies as “middle-of-the-road”. In Not Dead Long Enough Al’s universe perhaps.
        After all, before Tim Tebow arrived, the Broncs steamrolled their way into the playoffs.
        In 2005.
        Face it, Chuck, you have no facts, zero, zip, nada, based on Tim Tebow’s career record as a starter to criticize him, criticism which only conceivably makes sense if you’re just a Woody/RexMark Sanchez sycophant.

  15. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Well, NoFear, the reality of the situation is, for all the poeple that say Tebow isn’t being given a fair chance because of his outspoken faithiness, there are some who think the only reason he IS getting more than enough chances is BECAUSE of his outspoken-ness regarding his faith.

    There are plenty of heismann winning QBs who weren’t worth 2 turds in the NFL, but few have garnered the roiling animosity that Tebow has.

  16. RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

    New York is the bastion of clean-living Christianity. That makes Tebow a natural fan favorite there. Look how the fans there deified Joe Namath.

    • JDR's avatar JDR says:

      No, seriously… are you actually trying to make this argument?
      I can appreciate a good troll. But you can’t really be this stupid, can you?

      • RTFirefly's avatar RTFirefly says:

        Huh? If you want to talk really stupid, read my above post and let me have at you, too, after you criticize Tebow after reviewing his NFL career record as a starter.
        I’m waiting.

      • JDR's avatar JDR says:

        So you’re going to forgo individual metrics which may actually reflect on a player’s performance and rely on collective team stats? Ok. Going on that, Tim Tebow is still a terrible QB. Peyton Manning dwarfed his stats with the same team.

  17. Nip is smiling somewhere in his van.

  18. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Whatever, RTF. Again, if he’s so good, why isn’t anyone tryng to get him?

    8-6 as a starter. 17 TDs, 9 picks, 6 rushing TDs, and 15 fumbles. 173 for 361, an abysmal 47.8 completion %age.

    1-1 in the playoffs.

    Be still my heart.

    NFL QBR?
    2010 – 82.1
    2011 – 72.9

    ESPN QBR?
    2010 – 58.5
    2-11 – 29.9

    None of these numbers put him anywhere but in the bottom 5 in the NFL.

    1-1 playoff record? His playoff legacy is a 12 yard slant that was taken to the house in OT. Huzzah.

    Hey, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. No one equates him with anything resembling a good QB.

  19. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    In other words if Tebow qualified in 2010, he would have been 20th in QBR. He was 28th in 2011.

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