What the Fuuuuu …….???

What in the wide wide world of sports is going in here? This exhaustive search yields Mike Tomsula? I was all ready to see what the Niner offense could become under a young innovative mind like Adam Gase, but it ain’t happening apparently.

How this is supposed to work now defies logic. I can see promoting Dangio for the sake of the defense, and for continuity. Or going and getting a guy like Gase to revamp the offense, but Tomsula? Nothing against the guy, but he’s not the fiery leader who would appear to be the one to lead them to the promised land.

Signing Tomsula guarantees Fangio leaves. So now we need a DC AND an OC. I guess we have to wait and see what the next moves are coordinator-wise, but as of now I ain’t too thrilled.

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63 Responses to What the Fuuuuu …….???

  1. Flavor says:

    Idiotic. And it’s now clear that the only thing Jed/TB ever wanted was a lackey to do what they say. Gonna be tough to support this team with the stupid-ass non football decisions getting made by York

    • Winder says:

      it certainly is a surprise move, and it’s possible that we will have a bunch of ship jumpers real soon. I don’t really know how I would feel if I was a ticket holder, probably a little upset. Since I am a lifelong fan I guess I’m gonna have to see this whole drama played out. It does make one wonder who the fuck is giving advice.

  2. unca_chuck says:

    This is starting to look like Jerryland Jr. I’m afraid.

    I’m not joining Dennis on the ledge until they name Marc Trestman as their OC.

    • Winder says:

      dennis should be happy until they name a new OC, and I imagine a possible DC. My thoughts on Tomasula is that he’s a rah rah guy with a good attitude, if I remember right.

  3. Alleykat says:

    Just fucking ridiculous Tomsula never even interviewed for the HC job which says to me he was the perfect “Yes Man Puppet” both Dork & Baakle wanted all along!!
    I swear secretly Dork & Baakle are Seahawks fans!!
    They would have been better off hiring the Cheerleader Coach, the Head of Security, or digging up Bill Walsh’s corpse and putting him on the sidelines with a headphone set on him!!

  4. unca_chuck says:

    The WashPost has Fangio leaving. But that was to be expected.

    Jesus, you hear the names Trestman, Shanny Jr, Dennis Allen for DC, it makes me ill.

    Might as well promote Donatell and be done with the charade.

    • Winder says:

      My God, it took the front office this long to do this. fucking incredible.

    • Alleykat says:

      That’s nothing Chuck, if your barf bag is handy, here’s some more names for your possible DC.. that Raider dude Jason Tarver,Jimbo’s personal Butt slapping Bitch Jim Scwartz sp?(Who gives a shit) yes indeed fun times ahead in Ninerville.
      I’m sure we fucked up now, trying to even get a Dan Quinn for the DC job, yeah I’m sure he wanted a HC gig, but if you back up the Brinks truck with Franklins, Hamiltons, Benjamin’s, it could pursade him, since their isn’t a salary cap on coaches like players!

  5. Berger says:

    Tomsula seems more of a HC than a Dc to me. As I said previously, I am more interested in who our OC is than our HC.

    • Nipper says:

      Yeah the key is attracting a competent OC and if Fangio leaves as expected a new DC. Apparently Jed and his advisors were not thrill with the current coaching staff. Perhaps getting rid of the key Harbaugh guys is underway.

      • Berger says:

        As much as everybody liked Fangio, and I did too, his pass rush just disappeared in many games. He did have the #5 defense, which is amazing with the injuries but I think we have the personnel to be a better pass rushing team. Fangio would go too conservative at times and it did cost us a few games. Numbers are great but getting to the QB is what makes things happen.

  6. Irish Kevin says:

    Well on Comcast the guys are saying they don’t think Gase would be a good fit, he is only 36 yrs old, never played in college. And of course there is the question off how much input did Manning have control over the play calling. Gase would have been responsible for bringing the team together after the cluster fuck season that just went down.

  7. unca_chuck says:

    I think Gase would have been fine. Tomsula is beyond the safe approach. If they get trestman, well, it shows yhis front office has no clue but to repeat the mistakes of the past.

  8. barleyfreak says:

    Well, he is undefeated as a HC.

  9. Lurker John says:

    If I wasn’t convinced before, I am now. Baalke and York are a couple of fucking morons. I’ve no doubt that Tomsula is a fine coach and man, but after nearly 3 weeks of “searching,” this is their hire?! Unbelievable. My gut feeling right out of the gate is that this will NOT work out. No way in hell does he surpass what Harbaugh did. Jesus H. Christ this is frustrating. I bet Seattle fans are laughing their collective asses off.

  10. Lurker John says:

    This is a prime example of how two bozos can convince themselves that they actually know what they’re doing. I’ve never been less excited about a 49ers coaching hire. These two “leaders” need to get the hell out of Dodge.

  11. unca_chuck says:

    Well I tell ya, I just don’t know. I’ll have to wait and see who they bring in as OC and DC, but based on the names I’ve seen, I’m not very encouraged.

    Dennis Allen? Marc Trestman? Schwartz? Shanny jr? Really? Christ. I don’t gave a very good feeling about this.

  12. barleyfreak says:

    The best teams are the ones where the owner hires a strong talented GM & HC and gets the flying f*ck out of the way. Watching Jed and Trent at that presser a couple weeks ago had an ominous feel to it. Jed really came off as someone who clearly though wayyy too much of himself. All these years I have reveled in the existence of Jerruh, and how he is the best Cowboys owner a 49er fan could ever wish for. Now, I have this sick feeling in my gut that we are seeing the emergence of Jerruh2 in Jed.

    Sure hope I’m wrong, and much rides on whom we get for OC/DC, but I think Tomsula really is a puppet. Jed wants to pull the strings. Some people and their freaking egos.

  13. 12th Man says:

    Tomsula is HC material. Better than Harbaugh as a HC? Yeah its possible, just not likely. I know I’m looking forward to his press conferences though.

    Trestman is a decent OC, innovative too but much like Norv Turner he is no HC.

    For DC I would promote Donatell, worked with Fangio and Tomsula, has been a DC before and it provides continuity on the D side.

    Lots of wailing about losing Harbaugh and Roman, I’m more concerned about losing Fangio. I think Harbaugh and Roman had run its course.

    I read people slamming Tomsula as a puppet or only useful as a yes man. Around the league and from the players he is very well respected. I don’t think any of us has any insight as to if he is a brown noser or not.

    Not a sexy pick but like some have said, lets wait to see him fill out his staff, and while we are at it maybe let him get a game or 2 under his belt before the full crucifixion.

    The team is still pretty solid from a talent perspective.

  14. 12th Man says:

    I think part of these coach searches is its an opportunity to gain intel.

    • NJ49er says:

      Exactly 12th.
      They had Tomsula in the bank already.
      Interviews are a perfect way to gauge outside opinions on what you may not already know, or see, for yourself.
      I believe Fangio eff’d himself with the ‘Shanny comes or I go’ routine.

      For me, find an Offense.
      Harbaugh and Roman didn’t have one.

      My feeling is that Baalke may have gone to Denver to tell Gase he can have the OC job in SF if he isn’t offered anything better?

      • 12th Man says:

        Don’t have any feeling about Gase NJ except that the team made a decent effort to hire him as HC from reports, he was the only guy to get 2 interviews right?

        It is a risk to hire such a young guy as HC and rarely works.

        As for him as OC, from what I’ve read and seen he is primarily a pocket passer OC similar to Martz, I’m not sure that is the right way to go just yet with Kap but perhaps he has more than one string to his bow.

      • NJ49er says:

        Gotta admit 12th, didn’t see Tomsula coming after all these interviews.
        I’ve got no issues with Tomsula the Coach, it’s all about finding someone to develop Kaep for me.
        Thus far, Harbaugh didn’t get enough out of him.

        Maybe he’ll find some help at EXOS in AZ?

        This whole process has been painful.
        Now the entire Staff gets blown up.

      • 12th Man says:

        Have to conclude the “search” was a bit of a farce except to say they may have found someone they thought was better than Tomsula by interviewing and they gained intel and other viewpoints from some of the best coaches available so it has value.

        I don’t remember reading Tomsula was formally interviewed but perhaps he was behind closed doors, who knows?

        Elway basically said the same as Baalke and Jed. A team has to strive to win it all, good records and stats is not enough, so both franchises have chosen to try another path. Risky? Sure, but if it is thought that the current staff has exhausted itself what else is there to do?

        Given a choice I would have fired Roman and kept Harbaugh for the final year and given it one last try but Harbaugh was just too much of an asshole to live with apparently.

        Regardless, its done, history, and so is the pick for new coach so I intend to watch with fascination as the coaching team gets filled out and from what I’ve read it is a complete sea change with onl Rathman staying so far. Shows Tomsula did not believe in the 12 O coaches system or that he didn’t think those particular 12 coaches were up to it at least.

      • NJ49er says:

        Agree 12th.
        Necessary process I guess?
        Tomsula fits the ‘teacher’ moniker to a tee, so, no surprise there.

        In hindsight, it would seem as though Roman was doing what Harbaugh asked him to do?
        Another aspect to that scenario was failing to develop Kaep into more of a Pocket Passer.
        Many uncertainties surrounding this circus.
        All we know now is, it’s a clean slate.
        See what develops.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    I don’t know. All I can say is I’m worried.

    This isn’t exactly an exciting pick. Bit like I said we’ll see when he hires his staff.

    • NJ49er says:

      Retaining Rathman was a smart move if they have any plans to make a push for Frank to return.
      I wasn’t crazy about the Shanny ideas whatsoever.
      Might’ve been the reason Fangio failed to impress?

    • NJ49er says:

      Who saw Jim Caldwell coming in Indy?
      Sometimes the quiet guy no one knows can get the job done.

      Boldin and Vernon don’t seem to have an issue with Tomsula.
      Maybe there was more to the Harbaugh ‘experience’ than anyone really let on about?

      It is what it is.
      Owners get that privilege, they sign the checks.

      I just hope Trent and Tomsula can find the personnel together and, make this Offense better.

  16. unca_chuck says:

    Can’t not like them keeping Rathman. And I do hope they keep Gore for next year. Shit, maybe the players can relax a little and they’ll play looser.

  17. ewisco says:

    it’s kinda funny as i think about fangio but i seem to remember when he was first hired by the 9ers that some of the talking heads were saying that he’s only good in college and that his schemes wouldn’t work in the pros. he was a dc before (tampa?) and started great and then got worse and worse. i have no idea about the facts behind that but i distinctly remember the media saying that the league would catch up to him. i’m not sure what that means when we lose him as the potential hc and certainly the dc because he obviously looked pretty good year after year. as for tomsula, bless his heart but he’s got a rather large job ahead of him.

    • 12th Man says:

      The knock on him was his D got less effective each year. Didn’t happen with the Niners however.

      • Berger says:

        Overall numbers were good but the disappearing pass rush in many games was a killer.

      • 12th Man says:

        He was conservative in some games its true but with that many injuries its hard to tell if he was covering another area of weakness. The problem with blitzing is its live by the sword, die by the sword as you know Berger.

    • NJ49er says:

      Ewisco Fangio served as DC in Carolina, Houston and Indy.
      I’d have to say, he had his best talent in SF.
      Did an excellent job keeping it together for us.

      Sorry he couldn’t stick around but, so it goes in the NFL.
      We need Offense.

  18. 12th Man says:

    What about Brad Seely, anyone hear anything?

    • NJ49er says:

      Have to assume he’s on the street 12th?
      Seeing as only Rathman was retained?

      It’s turned into a wholesale house cleaning apparently.

      Thought they’d have had some success just shopping for an Offensive overhaul.
      Obviously hasn’t panned out.

    • 12th Man says:

      I read that too Chuck, its what I alluded to when I said it is a sea change in coaches assistants, it turns out to be premature however. There are other reports out now. My take is only Rathman is currently known to be staying on. We shall see more tomorrow.

  19. 12th Man says:

    Solari will talk with Baalke in the morning as will some other as yet unnamed assistants.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Huh. I saw it against on Comcast.net that everyone is gone.

  21. NJ49er says:

    Something that did strike me was, Boldin and Vernon’s reactions.
    Vernon suggesting he’ll report on time seems more of an indictment of Harbaugh now?
    Boone as well?

    Beginning to think the mini-mutiny was orchestrated against Harbaugh.

  22. NJ49er says:

    Jesse Sapolu feels good about the Tomsula promotion –


  23. NJ49er says:

    Not too many people paid Bruce Arians much attention, when he took over as an interim HC in Indy.
    He’s surprised more than a few folks since then too.

  24. snarkk says:

    Tomsula looks like Nolan II…

  25. snarkk says:

    BTW, Jed York, after one moment of clarity hiring Harbs 4 years ago, is back to being a dolt…

    • NJ49er says:

      I wouldn’t give Jed too much credit Snarkk, I think Baalke recruited Harbaugh.
      But, that’s just my 2-cents worth.

      Unfortunately, we got close several times, only to fail.

  26. NJ49er says:

    For what it’s worth, few people who’ve played, or coached with him, have a negative thing to say about him.
    I’ll give him his due.

    We still have to assemble an Offensive Staff around him, as we would have had to do for Fangio or, anyone else for that matter.

    Steve Young always raved about Trestman so, I guess it’s all a matter of opinion?
    Results will speak for themselves next year.
    We’re 8-8 as it stands now.


  27. NJ49er says:

    Bill Callahan may hit the market.
    Might be worth gauging his interest?
    OL/OC experience might be a good option?

  28. NJ49er says:

    Don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t retain Head Strength and Conditioning Coach Mark Uyeyama?
    Pretty sure he was aboard prior to Harbaugh?

  29. NJ49er says:

    Looks like Boone approves of Tomsula as well –


  30. Nipper says:

    Harbaugh’s stench is being cleaned out with a fire hose. What really went wrong? The true story is yet to be told.

  31. Berger says:

    I sure like the reaction from some players and some former players to the hiring of Tomsula. He was on my short list. I hope he isn’t too nice.

  32. Berger says:

    I’m leaning toward Callahan or Trestman as OC. Trestman is more dynamic than Callahan. Bill is a run first type who still knows how to pass the ball around. Those two were together one year and it reminded me of Callahan and Linehan this year in Dallas. Callahan and Trestman were together the last time the Raiders went to the SB with Gannon as QB. Gannon had his best year and was MVP.

  33. Berger says:

    For DC I’d like somebody less conservative than Fangio. He had great numbers but his lack of a pass rush cost us in too many games. I know the saying is live and die by the sword and I’m better with that than the slow death we suffered vs too many teams this year. Giving Carr all day to throw and losing to the Raiders was as painful as it gets. He did wonders with all the injuries so it is hard to not give him much props. I just want somebody who is more aggressive. I’ll take the sword to the heart over slow death.

  34. unca_chuck says:

    Well, hard to say how much of that was due to suspensions and injuries. But the early games (Bears, AZ) the lack of a pass rush directly led to those losses. And what I could not fathom was the firdt StL game, we were stunting wildly, blitzing from different people and angles, and generally causing a lot of confusion for StL. It looked like the perfect recipe for disrupting P Manning, Of course, vs Denver we went with a straight 4 man rush that day and got no pressure on Manning. And of course we got torched.

    Curious. It seemed to be more of the flawed idea from St. Jim that when you find something that works, you don’t do it again.

    Raider game? Same thing. It was pitch and catch with Carr all game. Sorry to see fangio go, but then again . . .

    Ray Rhodes, where are you now?

  35. unca_chuck says:

    Well, my adage has been if you can’t cover, blitz.

    It’s either the death by 1,000 cuts, or getting hit with a big play. If you have some semblance of offense you can overcome the occasional big play.

    But constantly giving up 10-15 play drives will wear you down every time.

  36. Irish Kevin says:

    Well it may not have been the best choice, but the players know who their coach is now. And like comments here and on TV or radio, it all comes down to who will be the OC to develope Kaep. I heard on KNBR that he is keeping Rathman. The rest is up in the air.

  37. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up.

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