Ray Rice, RayMac, and Deaf, Dumb, and Blind (Jed) Justice

UPDATE: Ray Rice was just released by the Ravens. Uh, see below. What did you think happened on the elevator?

Sorry, going on a rant here. With the release of more video of the title fight in a Las Vegas elevator  a couple months ago between the 230 lb Ray Rice and his 105 lb fiancee,  the blogosphere is abuzz with talk of revisiting and adding to the supposed punishment of Rice. While I have no idea if anything more comes of this, my question is, what the fuck did you think happened anyway? The NFL is disavowing any knowledge of the extra footage, but this matters? What do you think happened when 2 fully conscious people walk into an elevator, and moments later one is being dragged out of the elevator by her hair?  You now have people coming out and saying “gee, this makes everything different.” I say, gee, get a fucking clue.

It goes part and parcel with the recent hooraw around Ray McDonald and his scrape with his pregnant girlfriend. Just taken at face value, you have a big party with a bunch of people there. At some point near the end of the party, a woman calls the cops because she feels threatened by her boyfriend. He just happens to be a football player. The cops show up, and notice bruises around her neck and on her arms. I imagine they check out RayMac for consistent injuries, but whatever. He gets arrested for suspicion of spousal abuse.

Here’s where the stupidity starts. Jim Harbaugh, in a dig at his brother, tells anyone and everyone in hearing distance that he would NEVER tolerate a player of his being an abuser of women. Remember, brother John welcomed back Ray Rice after his deal, and said we stand behind our player and will accept the NFL’s (fucking joke of a) punishment.  When Ray McDonald gets dragged to jail, ol’ Jimmy is all of a sudden very interested in due diligence and letting the courts handle it.

How do the courts handle it? Well, look at Ray Rice. He and his (speed bag) fiancée promptly get married. And Rice has to attend some sort of anger management deal. In other words, no punishment. Was she under duress to marry him? No one knows that except for them. The NFL levies a huge 2 game suspension, and boom boom, everyone is happy. Except for the victims of domestic violence who rarely get any form of justice and usually get labeled as the cause of what they get. Will he continue to beat her? Another question we won’t get to know. Unless he’s stupid enough to get caught doing the same shit somewhere else, or worst case she eventually shoots him. Hey, just ask Steve McNair. Look, he may never do anything like this again, but if you believe the stats, most abusers don’t stop at just one. Like Lay’s potato chips.

The point being, no one seems to have trouble turning a blind eye to this. From the courts to the league to the owners, to their teammates.  Which brings me to Jed York. And to a lesser degree, Trent Baalke. These are the guys who would be in the direct position to lay down some kind of suspension, sit-down, or punishment for RayMac’s alleged abuse. What does Jed do? Absolutely nothing. He has been as quiet is a church mouse. He and Trent Baalke are hiding behind the due process bullshit Harbaugh conveniently hid behind. Not a peep.

Would it kill Jed to sit down Ray McDonald for one game as the investigation proceeds? No. Plenty of other people in similar circumstances are suspended with pay pending an investigation into whatever the deal was. Everyone gets all bend over due process and ‘innocent until proven guilty’ but that all horseshit. What of the pregnant girl who was (apparently) strangled by her very large and very strong boyfriend? What of Ray Rice cold-cocking his fiancée with a punch that very well could have killed her? Lots of people come out and justify this behavior as if it’s boys being boys or whatever.  I wonder what they’d say if they were the recipients of systematic and ongoing abuse as the rest of the world winked and laughed.



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113 Responses to Ray Rice, RayMac, and Deaf, Dumb, and Blind (Jed) Justice

  1. Flavor says:

    great post Chuck. Of course, you are 100% correct.

  2. unca_chuck says:

    My point in all this is the 49ers look like dogshit for not doing or saying anything about this. Jed looks like a pussy by not coming out with some kind of statement. Like he wants to be just like the rest of the blind-eye old-by network that permeates the NFL. Man up, Jed. Harbaugh looks like the hypocrite that he is for throwing his brother under the bus and now chanting due process.

    Fuck the breast cancer awareness money they throw around, and the bullshit concussion protocols, and the goddamn fucking awful reffing going on in games these days. If I didn’t know better (and I don’t), I’d say the refs were under instruction to make the game closer than it was, going into the 3rd quarter. Games are becoming unwatchable with all the asinine penalties being levied. Ahmad Brooks got 3 facemask penalties in a row for shit that was fairly benign. At least in the trenches. And the 3 illegal contact penalties all came on 3rd down plays (one on 3rd and 21) that were not even close to being valid. Then, when Brandon Lloyd is wrapped up by a DB on a pass to the other side of the field which would have gained 42 yards, HE gets an offensive PI call?

    But that’s a rant for another day.

  3. unca_chuck says:

    And, in football news, LMJ was just released. The Niners are saying they released him so he can pursue ‘other opportunities.’

    I’d imagine he’s on the phone with Chip Kelly right about now.

  4. rtfirefly says:

    One case has the original video evidence of physical violence. One has a 911 call and an after the fact police report with no charges to date filed. If you can’t tell the difference you must have loved Nixon’s vision of America. Arrest ‘Em, then Hang ‘Em because if they’ve been arrested they’re guilty.

  5. unca_chuck says:

    This is about the organization, not justice. Can you tell the difference? Where do I say he should be arrested before due process? ‘Suspended pending investigation’ is within the rights of any business in the US.

    This make the Niners look like aiders and abettors. This is what I’m saying.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    Teachers are suspended pending investigation all the time where it comes to sexual harassment or inappropriate behavior. Cops in the case of discharging their weapons, or cases of excessive force.

    Same deal.

  7. rtfirefly says:

    Nope. There is already a disciplinary process in place. Ridiculously flawed, as the Rice, Gordon and Welker cases show, but in place.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Bullshit. The 49ers have the right to suspend RayMac based on what they have now.

    The Ravens look like morons for welcoming Rice back how and when they did. Goodell looks like an idiot for his 2 game suspension of Rice.

    • rtfirefly says:

      What do they have? A police report from responding to a 911 call. Cops’ word. If the info that emerges in 7 days (including the medical report) shows otherwise, that’s a horse of a different color.
      So, if some random cop arrests you today, you should be suspended from your job?
      Nixon’s America.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    The video showed me (and anyone else with a fucking brain) nothing I didn’t already know. He admitted to doing what the video showed. The Ravens chose to do nothing. Which prompted brother Jim’s soapbox stand.

  10. Nipper says:

    MacDonald better pray there’s no video of his alleged fight. If TMZ gets hold of it ……kiss career goodbye.

  11. unca_chuck says:

    Cop’s word? So, this is a set-up? The cops and the chick are trying to extort money from RayMac. Got it. Run with that, RTF.

    I ain’t any cop lover, and the militarization of the police force is scary as shit to me, but in a case like this, who do you believe? The cops, or the perp? You blame the victim? Right.

    They showed up because she called, they saw bruises, they talked to everyone there, and they took RayMac away an a felony DV charge.

    It is completely within the 49ers right to suspend him pending investigation.

  12. unca_chuck says:

    Do you think ‘felony spousal abuse’ falls under a personal conduct clause when you get a job, RTF?

  13. Nipper says:

    Jed York is probably asking his mother what now?

  14. Spitblood says:

    I don’t really care that much about the domestic violence case or cases… It’s unfortunate for the women involved, but regarding what’s right or the NFL creating a standard or disciplining players, I have absolutely no faith in that process. And the Ray Rice and Ray McDonald cases are totally separate but because of timing they’ll be viewed more as one case – and they shouldn’t be. They are totally difference cases with different circumstances.

    What I am interested in is LaMicheal James being cut today. It seems as though there was no trade value for him or the 49ers would definitely trade him before cutting him. Then the issue is whether or not Harbaugh viewed James as a malcontent who was leaking stories to the press, creating a distraction, or whether or not Harbaugh just didn’t think he was good enough. Maybe it’s a Glenn Coffee situation where he’s leaving football, but that would be a retirement if I’m not mistaken. I think Harbaugh located the rat and killed him once and for all.

    • Nipper says:

      His first name was too long and pretentious. LaMicheal is a ridiculous name for a football player. He’s gone and who cares? Not a soul. Question that should be asked why was he drafted in the first place? What a waste of a pick!

      • Winder says:

        Little scat backs were the thing at the time and James did have some promise. But, as it so happens with the draft this one turned out to be a dud.

    • NoFear49er says:

      I don’t think he ever really was a fit in the system here. They found someone else capable of returning kicks so what’s the point of keeping him around wondering why he can’t get on the field?

  15. NoFear49er says:

    What lunacy! Rice lied about the circumstances and has been caught in the lie by the video and now has to find a new way to support his families. He didn’t go on a woman-beating rampage in the time since.

    The same applies to RayMac. He’s not beating any more women in the time it’s taking to gather the facts of the case.

    The league and the team would look pretty stupid to rush to punishment when there’s no compelling reason to risk being wrong about it.

    A couple of guys were recently released from prison after thirty-some years being locked up for a rape they didn’t commit when DNA evidence cleared them. The prosecution and jury apparently acted on “what it looked like.” “Oh, sorry about your life boys, but you appeared to be guilty so we railroaded you and couldn’t get you locked away soon enough.”

  16. rtfirefly says:

    ARREST=EVIDENCE now in Chuck’s Nixonian Utopia.
    WHAT Felony Charges????? Are you seriously incapable of reading and remembering information?
    NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED. None of your stupid insults change that.

    • unca_chuck says:

      The charge was suspicion of felony domestic violence. Fact.

      Answer these 3 questions:

      Do teachers get put on administrative leave if SUSPECTED of child abuse?

      Do cops get put on administrative leave for SUSPISION of excessive force?

      Does an employer have the right to implement personal conduct policies?



      They could have benched him, but didn’t. The Ravens could have benched Ray Rice but didn’t. The video comes out and they waffle and cave. Why? Because there is no way on God’s green earth they can sweep shit like that under the rug. The video showed nothing they didn’t already know, and the Rice didn’t admit to.

  17. Winder says:

    Oh, and by the way, Cops do sometimes lie on the stand. It really is the only way to put certain people away.

    • Nipper says:

      One guy is in Court right now in the local news……used a ski mask and bat to beat a woman whose car died in his neighborhood thinking she was an intruder. He’s no kid being 53 years old.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    And you tell ME it was different circumstances? Incredibly laughable, NoFear.

    Suspending a football player for one game = 25 years in prison for someone else. Was it their bosses that put them in jail?

    Got it.

    Answer this. Do cops get put on administrative leave after being accused of excessive force?

    Do teachers get put on administrative leave when charged with pedophilia?

    In Ray Rice’s case he ADMITTED to punching his wife in the face after shown the shorter video.

    The longer video brings nothing new to light. At least for sentient beings. Nothing changed except for the perception.

    RayMac? He was there, right? His GF was there, right? Amazing how many guys like to protect wife-beaters. Comes with the territory I suppose.

    Spitty, I get that the circumstances between the 2 cases are different. BUT, the responses by the teams are equally bad. As in the Sgt. Schultz defense.

    Like I said, the video released today brings nothing new to light that wasn’t already known by everyone involved. Why does it have to be visual evidence that turns the tide when everyone knew what happened, and Rice admitted to EXACTLY what was shown in the video?

    • NoFear49er says:

      You want me to say I agree with your jumping to conclusions because there’s a chance you might end up being right? That’s ridiculous.

      The comparison to cops or any other public service employment is completely different. They are acting in their jobs under color of authority.

      You know what results from bringing a knee-jerk ton-of-bricks down on folks merely accused of something? A bunch of false accusations for myriad reasons. As I said, ridiculous.

    • NoFear49er says:

      Yeah, I’m protecting wife-beaters. Fuck you, too.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Yes, you are. As were the Ravens. They knew it, and chose to ignore it. Same with Jolly Roger and the league. There is NO denying that. The Niners are following the same path. Besides, position of authority has little bearing on this. It has to do with personal conduct clauses in the players contracts. These days I’d say every football player signs these.

        If he’s fully cleared, and he missed a game. Boo hoo. Poor guy got a day off from bashing skulls. But if the Niners are letting a wife beater play, well, they look as bad as the Ravens do now. And as the entire league does for condoning this.

  19. Spitblood says:

    So why wasn’t LaMicheal James traded to the Ravens for at least some consideration? Because why would John Harbaugh want a malcontent? Replace one problem with another? No brother saddles his sibling with a discarded malcontent. Harbaugh cut the rat out of the ship. He was questioned last night by Lowell Cohn (sp?) about a lost locker, Harbaugh got pissed and feed up and he dumped James this morning. That just means more carries for my boy, Hyde.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Ray Mac has a personal conduct policy on his contract. The Niners are within their right to enforce it for what has occurred. They choose to ignore it.

    This is the story in a nutshell.

    • Nipper says:

      Ray Mac has another police incident at this house labeled a disturbance. The news keeps growing…….

  21. unca_chuck says:

    LMJ has been tweeting his way off the team for a while now. Not unheard of and certainly it has happened to others. But you’d have to think the Niners have been trying to trade him since the Seattle game ended early this year.

    Tweet tweet skippy. Like I said, Chipper might give him a look.

  22. Spitblood says:

    Unca – Why does it have to be visual evidence that turns the tide? Because obviously visual evidence is much more damming AND it’s harder to spin. Without visual evidence, John Harbaugh saying, “I’m proud of Ray,” works. With visual evidence, John looks like a douche. And the minute the owners or head coaches losing credibility, potentially hurting their pocketbooks, that’s when they throw their players under the bus. Put another way, if they can conceal it, or sweep it under the rug, the NFL wil any chance they get.

    The NFL had absolutely seen this video. No question about it. That’s why I laugh when you and Del want to see the NFL and the 49ers hold players accountable. It’s not in their best interest, and like I wrote earlier, the role model is dead. This isn’t the 1939 Yankees.

  23. Spitblood says:

    Ray Rice and Ray McDonald are different cases. Period. Ray Rice is 95% guilty. 5% of the uncertainty is because it might not be Ray on the video, even though Ray has admitted it was him, but Ray might be insane. What if Ray pleads …… drum roll, please….. “Your honor…. I have CTE.” Holy shit…. that’s a can of worms. And if I was Rice’s defense attorney, you’re damn straight I’d threaten the league with that defense.

    Regarding Ray McDonald, McDonald is 30% guilty. He hasn’t been charged with a crime. Even though his bail hearing is the 15th, he could be formally charged before then. He hasn’t been. It’s been 10 days without a charge against McDonald. Everyday that goes by, the guilty percentage drops 5%. Tomorrow McDonald will be 25% guilty. Do I think he did it? Absolutely. Will he be found guilty of a crime? Absolutely not. Why? Because the NFL is all about hiding crimes if it hurts their pocketbook.

    Anyone watch the Frontline stuff on the NFL and CTE? It’s pathetic.

    Regarding Jim Harbaugh’s statement to his team that he’d cut a man …. that’s clearly if the man was convicted. Once he’s convicted, I’m sure he’ll be cut. Until then, McDonald plays.

    Is it right? Of course not, but the NFL and American white collar crimes are all about money. Want to know why the Ray McDonald case is about money? Because if he was a broke ass nigga in the inner city, and he hit a woman A.) the cops wouldn’t care. B.) the girl would testify and look for some kind of state program. The reason there’s no charge is because McDonald’s girl stands to lose significantly if she testifies. And as Snnark said earlier, it’s hard as hell to get a conviction without her cooperation. This is about money, and because it’s about money, all the wrong doings will get swept under the rug. Unca and Del need to start realizing the NFL is all about covering up anything unpleasant.

  24. unca_chuck says:

    Well, it shouldn’t be. Sorry if thinking that people should be a little less douchey.

    Especially when they are raking in obscene amounts of money.

    Again, though, it isn’t the NFL I want to hold them accountable. It’s the goddamned team I want to see make a stand.

    The Giants years and years ago held the first AIDS awareness day. They’ve helped along many causes. I don’t know. I guess I expect something a little more from the people in this area because of the diversity of the people and their supposed awareness of issues, and the whole idea of contributing to the greater good of society. Not being a bunch of status quo fucknuts who turn the blind eye.

    Sure, there’s no onus on the organization to get in front of this. There’s no award for being proactive and maybe using this as a way to address a big issue in this country, In fact, it hurts the team to bench the guy. If not, why even have the pretense of personal conduct policies in the players contracts?

  25. unca_chuck says:

    So, in other words, get off the fucking can and do or say SOMETHING, Jed.

    Don’t hide behind everyone else.

  26. Spitblood says:

    On a separate note, my bromance with Jim Harbaugh just got taken to another level. Yesterday he’s being grilled by Lowell Cohn (sp?) about resurfacing reports Harbaugh’s losing the locker room, and today Harbaugh’s cutting LaMicheal James. Mike Singletary never found his rat. Singletary was miles from finding his rat, in fact, the rat was never found. But Harbaugh knew who his rat was. Harbaugh tolerated his rat. Was their any doubt it was James? James loses kick return duties last week, then the NFL report resurfaces the day of the game? Who was more disgruntled than James? Harbaugh knew it. He also knew he could handle a disgruntled James on his own. But you pile on Aldon and Ray and something’s gotta go. The best part about it…. LaMicheal James was a Trent Baalke second round pick. I wonder how that discussion went?

    Jim: Trent, we need to cut LaMichael.
    Trent: You haven’t given him a shot.
    Jim: He sucks.
    Trent: No he doesn’t. You used him in the Super Bowl.
    Jim: And he fumbled.
    Trent: That’s why you’re blackballing him?
    Jim: He lost his kick return duties and I don’t have much confidence in him as a running back.
    Trent: You think he’s the rat, don’t you?
    Jim: No.
    Trent: That’s it. He’s your rat.
    Jim: NO.
    Trent: Well he’s my second round pick.
    Jim: So.
    Trent: If we dump him he’ll play well for another team and you’ll look bad.
    Jim: Guess I’ll just have to take that chance, buddy.

  27. Flavor says:

    Jed likes to re-tweet stupid shit fans ask him to re-tweet. If that’s a priority in your life then you pretty much have no clue how to handle this situation. And really, Jed should have been counseled on what to do here. This issue is bigger than a game plan, it’s his team, he could have (and should have) suspended RayMac pending an investigation for all of the reasons already listed. If a teacher is accused of child molestation do they let the teacher continue teaching during the investigation? Of course not. And don’t forget that Aaron Hernandez was cut THE DAY he was arrested.
    I’m still trying to figure out how dumb everyone is with this Rice thing. There was video of him dragging her unconscious out of the elevator. Short of her having narcolepsy I’m not sure how else she got unconscious. Plus, Ray admitted to hitting her, didn’t he?
    Now everyone sees it and all hell breaks loose? I wonder how stupid those female Raven fans feel now after wearing Ray’s jersey to that pre season game and cheering him after he was announced?

    • Spitblood says:

      This blog needs to work on analogies for the day. Flavor’s teacher analogy would work if McDonald worked with women. He doesn’t (Sunday’s game against the Cowboys aside).

  28. unca_chuck says:

    Well, I’m getting there . . .

    I wonder if the Ravens give ol’ LMJ a sniff at RB.


    • unca_chuck says:

      In other words, it’s Jim throwing brother John a bone for throwing him under the bus regarding Rice. He figures he’ll throw him an RB that he all of a sudden needs.

    • snarkk says:

      What happened after game 1 that could have precipitated LMJ getting cut that was previously unknown?…

  29. unca_chuck says:

    Singletary couldn’t find a rat in India. Or Chicago even.

  30. I’m fucking embarrassed to be a Niner fan. And so should the rest of you.

    • Spitblood says:

      I love my Niners. Know why? Because I don’t look to sports for accountability, discipline or justice. If you want justice, look to our American justice system….. er, okay… bad example. This just in….. THERE IS NO JUSTICE!!!!!! AND DESERVE’S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!

  31. John Clayton while talking to Keith Olbermann on the Rice issue also brought up (6:00 mark) that there seems to have been another domestic call to police involving Ray back in May. I’m sure nothing happened back then as well. I seriously hope he breaks his neck Sunday night vs the Bears.

    • Spitblood says:

      A second incident for Ray McDonald? See… this is what I’m talking about right here, the interview between Olbermann and Clayton outlines my stance perfectly. Clayton is sure Goodell never saw the second tape of Ray hitting his girlfriend. MY. FUCKIN. ASS. So TMZ can get access to it, but the NFL, a 9 BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY per year can’t? Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. TMZ makes maybe 200 million a year – maybe. The NFL might make 45 times that amount, but somehow, miraculously, Goodell can’t acquire those tapes but TMZ can and Goodel didn’t see the first tape of Rice hitting his girlfriend? Who is stupid enough to believe that? Clayton says no because Clayton’s job is insider NFL information. Don’t want the tap shut off. But Olbermann doesn’t push Clayton hard enough. Even Olbermann’s bought.

      And if you don’t believe the 49ers knew about the first police visit to McDonald’s house back in May, I have a bridge to sell you and my PayPal account is locked and loaded. Now… do you want to find your happy place? I do. I don’t look to all these crooks for justice. Just hit someone. Knock their fuckin’ teeth out.

      • That’s the even bigger problem. You can no longer hit people and knock their fuckin’ teeth out. The NFL has become a total joke. On and off the field. I’ll just stop watching and buying their product. That’s the best protest I know of. I got fed up with race tracks with synthetic surfaces. I stopped betting ’em. The Del Mar Thoroughbred Club didn’t see a dime of my money this last meet. That’s putting your money where your mouth is and not putting it in theirs at the same time.

  32. Ray Rice didn’t do any jail time for his actions. Sorry. This is were mob mentality and vigilantism are not only warranted, but are a necessity. He has it coming.

  33. snarkk says:

    KNBR reported late this afternoon that TMZ top sleazebag Harvey Levin says TMZ will report tomorrow that the NFL knew about the Rice elevator video and actively ran away from it. Well, duh. But, the details will be interesting, if they have some. So, the question for me goes straight to Goodell — did he know about the tape, and if yes, what did he do / not do about it? If he knew what was on it, I say it makes a difference he ran from it, even though Rice admitted basically what’s on the tape. Because Goodell then acted all surprised and chagrined that after the 2 gamer blew up in his face — as if he were totally in the dark about domestic violence. Then, voila, all of a sudden a mea culpa and this “get tough” policy ushered out quickly and directly out of his office after “consultations” with various groups. Hmmmm. Did he get wind of a firestorm of bad PR coming from a release of the video? With his supposed media savvy, I don’t see how he could have thought this video would be kept under wraps. He’s looking dirtier on this every day…

    • Spitblood says:

      If I’m Harvey Levin, I’m fearing for my life right about now. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Levin died in a car accident before releasing the news Goodell knew. Goodell’s such a crook it’s not even funny. Now there’s a lynch mob I can get behind – hanging Goodell? Who the fuck cares if he’s innocent? That might make it better.

      • unca_chuck says:

        This all is so dumb because everyone knew what happened. They wanted to hide it.

        Plain and simple. Levin’s gonna wake up with Carl Woodward’s head under his pillow.

      • NJ49er says:

        Maybe TMZ did Roger a favor by putting that video out in full detail so Roger and the Ravens could have a 2nd chance to make this issue go away?

  34. Nipper says:

    It’s really going to blow now. NFL really looks BAD!

  35. NJ49er says:

    NFL = $$$$ (Billions of it).
    Vegas = $$$$ Billions more of it during the NFL Season.

    NFL owners + Roger + Vegas = $$$$$ ‘Mo Money.

    When the equation in any debate has $$$$ attached to it, there’s Lawyers and Legal protections insulating the principles involved with tapping that $$$$ Keg.

    Roger = Lawyer.

    • NJ49er says:

      Add NFL Officiating to my equation.
      Tighten a Vegas Line with unnecessary flags anyone?

      The whole NFL ‘Corporation’ is well insulated with Lawyers and sponsors tripping over themselves to throw more revenue at them.
      Life is good in Rogers’ World.

  36. snarkk says:

    Reports on Sunday say unnamed sources tell that Harbs is “losing the locker room”. Today, LMJ cut. Coincidence? Hmmm…

  37. NJ49er says:

    You also have to factor into the Ray Rice case, the amount of money tied to the Cap in Baltimore.
    Roger and all his infinite wisdom, still works for the owners.

    You can bet the lenient punishment outrage from the public wasn’t something he was expecting.
    Rewriting policy seemed like a good idea to him too.
    ‘Sorry I blew that call, but I’ll make it right next time’.
    Hoping to spare the Ravens a major Cap hit probably was a factor in his decision initially.

    I gotta believe Roger and the owners know of plenty going on behind the scenes.
    Stuff we never get a sniff of.
    One thing they can’t hide from is video evidence.

    Just like Aaron Hernandez.
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    Video just shows the world what stupid looks like.

  38. Spitblood says:

    Ray Ratto had an interesting take that I agree with. He said that John Harbaugh shouldn’t have been making any statements today – that statements should have been made by the owner and Ozzie Newsome – and I agree with that. The GM and owners are the ones who cut players to protect the integrity of the organization. The coach wins games and does X’s and O’s work. Sure, the head coach does some PR, sometimes, but the big stuff should be done by the owners and the GM.

    Now you can make the case with “Jim” Harbaugh that Jim set himself up to be the point person on this with his long ago speech to the team that Donte Whitner quoted, but I disagree only because Jed York (who’s a total chicken shit coward btw) has come out and made his position consistent with Jim Harbaugh’s statement. But Jed should be the one doing the PR work on this completely stating the 49ers’ policy on DV, unequivocally. In addition, it’s not Jim Harbaugh’s total decision or call on whether or not Ray McDonald plays on the Sundays leading up to the law’s final determination (to officially charge or not).

    And I never really thought about this stuff until I put myself in the shoes of an NFL owner. If this was my team, and I cared at all about my players, I’d want to take the lead. I wouldn’t hide behind my head coach. I’d send a message to the other players this can’t happen – and that message would be clear for both players and fans. And I damn sure wouldn’t be hiding behind my head coach like both Jed York and Steve Biscotti have done. But Jed York, the fuckin’ coward that he is, is all too happy to let Jim Harbaugh take the heat. What a fuckin’ child we have for an owner.

    • NJ49er says:

      I read that the deal Baltimore gave Ray Rice recently was front loaded.
      You can bet the owners have a stake, and likely some major influence, in the decisions Roger makes on behalf of ‘The League’.
      He’s paid to be the front man.

      It’s all about the almighty dollar.
      Make no mistake, the owners count on Roger and his rank and file regime, to protect them from these negative headlines.

      Robert Kraft in NE got spanked in the wallet big time with Aaron Hernandez too.
      Bad guys play in the NFL, they all know that.
      Some worse than others of course.

      Now the Ravens have 1 less RB and something like $20-30M paid out already, plus lost future money against the Cap, since Ray’s recent deal was rewritten.

      I don’t feel sorry for the owners, that’s a risk they take in this game.
      They can afford it.

      I happen to enjoy the beating Roger is taking in this episode.
      Had he done the proper suspension and/or fined Ray initially, this could have gone away quietly.

      I just SMH when I think about guys like Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth.
      Each of them killed people while driving drunk.
      Neither are in prison.
      Talk about League protection.

  39. Winder says:

    The 49ers are gonna open up a brand new home this week. Fucking Raymc ain’t nothing but a peanut in a bowl. If I was Jed I wouldn’t spend two minutes worrying about what he should do concerning this shit. Personally I don’t give a rats ass if they cut him suspend him or let him play. If he gets convicted of a felony then he’s through.

    • NJ49er says:

      If he’s convicted, he’s gone for me too Winder.
      Harbaugh can’t back track on that now.

      Next man up as it were.
      Hoping for RayMc that this isn’t what it’s been reported to be.

      • Winder says:

        it’ll all come out in the wash, or else it will be locked down and forgotten. Things aren’t always what they seem

    • NJ49er says:

      You know it, especially in the NFL.

      Smart phones and, instant access to the Web, are going to give light to lot’s of things that have gone on behind the curtain for years.

  40. Winder says:

    And, who gives a fuck what that turd Ratto thinks.

    • Spitblood says:

      Ratto definitely has a point. Jed is a coward for letting Jim Harbaugh take the heat.

      • NJ49er says:

        Like Roger covering for the owners, Jed is hiding behind the guys he pays to manage this stuff.

        I agree with you though, Jed should have made himself available to at least indicate he backs the decisions made or whatever.
        Being invisible doesn’t help.

        Jim more or less got in front of this simply because he faces the media everyday.
        No way he could have avoided it.
        Whitner shined a light on his policy as well so, he’s more than obliged to answer for it.

  41. Spitblood says:

    Here’s our litmus test regard who does the PR work on this – the owner, GM or HC. It comes down to who has the final call, and it’s the owner because a bad call can have a devastating effect on the team, organization and community. The owner needs to be the one out front to protect his brand. The GM and HC don’t do that. Who’s here longer? This could be Jim Harbaugh’s last year and then what? If Jim steers the ship on this and screws up, Jed just looks like he allows his head coaches to do whatever with the team. The owner needs to protect his brand. This is why Jed York needs to be out front on this. Del will say it’s Harbaugh but we all know Del has a secondary motivation or agenda of Harbaugh hatred. Del will try to put this on Harbaugh, but in the end the owners are hiding behind their coaches. Jed York and Biscotti are cowards. And I hope this brings down Roger Goodell, too. That would be just too damn good to be true.

    • Spitblood says:


    • NJ49er says:

      Harbaugh is the face of the Team from the players’ perspective, any HC would be.
      They’re the guys involved with the personnel on a daily basis.

      If Jed remains silent post Court date regarding RayMc then he definitely needs to be called out.
      Guilty or innocent, he needs to speak directly to the situation, no argument.

  42. Nipper says:

    Domestic violence will rage on no matter who gets on the soap box against it. It’s the dirty little secret that oozes everywhere.

    • Winder says:

      Nip – There are so many ills in this world that it overloads the soul.To me personal issues are way down the line, jealousy, self-esteem, and money, seem to be what fuel most domestic problems and as i see it there’s not a lot to be done if people stay in their same situation. Violence to anyone should not be tolerated. If you want to see some real heartbreak go to the Stanford Hospital Children’s ward and do some volunteer work.

  43. unca_chuck says:

    You know what was telling to me was seeing John Harbaugh as the guy who faced the media in Baltimore. No owner, no GM, no President. The head coach. The guy who has the least amount of say regarding the status of Rice.

    Again, the whole galling thing is everyone knew what happened and they all chose to let it slide. From the prosecutor (who’s head should be on a plate right about now) to the league to the team.

    Now Rice’s wife is on the air blaming the media for this. My poor husband lost his livelihood because of the media coverage.

  44. unca_chuck says:

    And another funny thing. Under the new rules instituted by Jolly Roger, shouldn’t Rice be suspended for 6 games? Not ‘indefinitely’?

  45. Spitblood says:

    The big issue is Goodell knew. I hope like hell it’s proven he knew. I’m sure he’s in ultra cover-up mode.

  46. Spitblood says:

    The city of Philly’s about to decriminalize weed. Dejax is pissed he left.

  47. Spitblood says:

    Hey Unca and Del…. check this out and answer the question…. “Now who’s the asshole?”


    • Spitblood says:

      Personally, if I was the kind of guy to get caught up in the idea that fans should look to the NFL for justice and accountability (which I’m not), then I’d be outraged by Jed York’s comments. If it was my team, I’d have sat McDonald for one reason only….. if you’re arrested there’s enough to suspect you of the crime of domestic violence, and even being in that arena makes sitting you down for a game or two necessary. But then again, I’m not that kind of guy. I think they’re all crooks. And I think Jed York is a weasel who first hid behind Harbaugh and is now hiding behind the legal process. This is why I don’t look to the NFL for accountability or justice. It simply isn’t there.

  48. unca_chuck says:

    Jed must have been reading his twitter feeds telling him DO SOMETHING!

  49. Spitblood says:

    What really shows what a weasel Jed York is that he didn’t come out and go on KNBR until Ray Ratto called out York last night. What a weasel. That’s not a coincidence. Not by a long shot. And then York says, “I know my reputation is going to take a hit.” But Jed was all too willing to let Harbaugh take a ton of grief for starting McDonald. It wasn’t until Ratto called out Jed that Jed started taking the heat off Harbaugh. If I was Harbaugh, I wouldn’t coach for Jed York. That little douche bag is a cock sucking weasel.

  50. unca_chuck says:

    The team should be leading the way. Not the league, obviously. Someone has to set the tone that this shit won’t get swept under the carpet.

    • Spitblood says:

      Yeah, right. Good luck with that. If York is such a coward that he’s got to hide behind his head coach all last week, only to make a statement after Ray Ratto calls York out, this team won’t have the courage to lead the way on anything. You want to lead? You need men. Jed York is a child. Good luck with the 49ers leading the way.

    • Nipper says:

      Total BLEEP!

  51. unca_chuck says:

    Right. Aaron Hernanez’s deal was much harsher, but it took the Pats all of 2 minutes to cut his ass. They didn’t wait for due process.

    Oh we3ll. I’m through with this topic. For now.

    I’ll just bug the shit out of Skeebers.

  52. snarkk says:

    Unlikely Goodie will get fired, but he might get suspended for a “show” feeling of pique by the owners at his failure to properly discipline Rice, aka his failure to contain the Rice PR problem and keep the video out of circulation. However, if there’s a smoking gun that he actually saw the video before “sentencing” Rice, that’s more problematic for him. If that could be proved, the hypocrisy and the NFL-doesn’t-really-give-a-S-about-domestic-violence meters for him blow through the roof, and that would be a hard shot to deflect…

    • Spitblood says:

      All it takes is a shit storm of people saying Goodell should be fired. Mad props from my end to Keith Olbermann. He started this lynching party and it’s the only lynching party worth attending. Pigs get fat, Goodell should be slaughtered.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Yeah, pinning that on him is the problem. But it’s nigh impossible to think the NFL was outwitted and outgunned by TMZ in getting the video. Now there’s apparently another video coming out. This one with sound.

  53. unca_chuck says:

    Look at the CEO of Centerplate. He roughly handles a friend’s dog for all of 15 seconds and loses his job.

    Just goes to show that you never know when you are on camera.

  54. Spitblood says:

    Goodell saw the whole video and covered it up. No question in my mind.

  55. Spitblood says:

    Pigs get fat, Goodell should be slaughtered.

  56. Irish Kevin says:

    Here is the problem with the Rice and well as the MacDonald issue, and really it is about being a someone who can be in the press. If it was me this would be in the C, D, or E section of the police log in the newspaper. Have any of you seen Rice’s wifes instagram post. She basically asked people to leave her and her family, including her spouse alone. This is between Ray and her and their families. SHE has to press charges against him for this to go to the courts. Which it does not seem she is going to do that. So this is no longer worthy news in my opinion. The NFL and Teams are not the Supreme Court. The NFL should do nothing. The Team is the Employer, they should do something and they did. Unfortunately they did so with out a conviction by the courts. I am no lawyer but if I was Rice and I was not convicted of a crime, I would surely look into wrongful termination. Unless the team has something about being charged for a crime verse being convicted. I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. I am only showing how the courts work. Now being charged with a crime takes very little evidence. Being convicted of a crime takes a shit load of evidence. Certainly Ray MacDonald should be suspended till he is or is not convicted of a crime. That is on the 49ers not the NFL.

    • Spitblood says:

      I think you’re totally wrong. Mrs Rice would have to cooperate ONLY if there wasn’t any other evidence. There’s more than enough evidence to convict without her cooperation. The DA could bring charges against Rice based on the video alone.

      In addition, Ray Rice has two employers – The NFL and the Ravens. One is a smaller sample of the other. If the Ravens were the only employer, Goodell would never discipline Ravens’ players. Put another way, if the teams were the only employers of the players, teams would be souly responsible for suspensions, which they aren’t. The NFL absolutely has to do something to protect their brand. And what’s the number one rule in PR? Don’t make it worse. Goodell made it a lot… A LOT worse to the point he could lose his job over it. Not because the NFL owners would be disappointed with Goodell, but because Goodell fucked it up so bad it suggests Goodell’s grown too fat, dumb and happy and is asleep at the wheel.

      • Winder says:

        Fuck it, we should just string Goody’s ass up right now, and where’s that fucking Jed.

      • rtfirefly says:

        Unfortunately, the DA can’t press charges against Rice again. He let that fish off the hook.
        Besides, he’s too busy trying to get 5-10 for a single mom with no criminal record who drove into Jersey with her PA-licensed gun (real case going to trial).

      • Spitblood says:

        I understand the double jeopardy angle, I’m just saying the girl doesn’t need to cooperate, or wouldn’t have, for the DA to bring charges – because of the video. Now with Ray McDonald, because there’s no video, the gf will need to cooperate. However…. news that there was another phone call in May might not make the gf’s cooperation as necessary IF the DA knows the May call was also for a domestic disturbance. Two incidents, one with marks or bruises might not require the gf’s cooperation for McDonald’s DA to bring charges. But my thought still is consistent that the 49er have already conducted their own investigation and deemed this unworthy of charges so they let Ray play.

      • Spitblood says:

        Or you could be more cynical and say the 49ers concluded after they finished their investigation they’d cut McDonald, but because he only plays like 20 games a year, the 49ers want to get the most out of their investment before he’s cut…. and then when Jed is faced with cutting McDonald, but playing a wife beater before McDonald’s judgement day, Jed will do what Roger just did – play dumb and hope the shit storm doesn’t overwhelm him.

  57. Nipper says:

    MacDonald will play and without cameras domestic violence be damned! That’s the Niners policy…..get used to it.

    • Spitblood says:

      If the first time cops were called to the house in May was because of domestic violence, not a domestic dispute, the DA might feel he has strong enough evidence to get a conviction regardless if McDonald’s girlfriend cooperates. No video necessary.

      The women here are in a tough position because if they sing, it hurts their pocketbooks. And any NFL wife who’s seeing Janay Rice’s future (of a man without a paycheck) is seriously thinking twice about calling the cops the next time her man raises his hand. I know this is why good police work is necessary, but I think Goodell’s actions will have a reverse effect of the intended (deterrence) on NFL women getting beaten.

  58. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah the earlier call was a 415. Pretty much a catch-all phrase for some shit going on at someone’s house. Partying too loud, fighting, rowdiness, or dv.

    So, they (the team) either felt it wasn’t worth investigating, or felt they could control the situation and bury it. Which seems to be Jolly Roger’s MO, and his dictum to his owners.

  59. Spitblood says:

    If Biscotti’s saying this, Goodell’s in trouble. Now this is a lynch mob I can get behind.


  60. Winder says:

    Lol, i keep thinking about Monty Python’s movie when they were looking over the castle wall at the peasants and they said let’s piss on em. All i know is that if I was a lawyer and close to this situation i would be all over it.

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s the universal sound for anything in this Country it seems Winder…..

      Lawyers are wolves seeking the red meat.
      Pathetic as it is, it’s reality.
      Where there’s a rich individual in trouble, there’s Lawyers lined up to take the cash.
      Bleed ’em out then plead ’em out.

      Aaron Hernandez is quietly going broke while all his shark attorney’s chew him down to the bone.
      All there is for him now is, whether he sees a hospitable State prison or, a prison somewhere that upholds the death penalty.

  61. NJ49er says:

    Now this is the sort of news that’s actually fun to poke with a stick –
    Jerruh, the Man, The Myth, The Moron –


  62. Spitblood says:

    Ward’s okay, Brock and Culliver iffy…. Johnson, Cox, Cook and Ward could be our cbs going up against Jeffrey and Marshall. We better get a pass rush. Cutler could pick us apart. I smell a big fantasy football day for Matt Forte.

  63. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I think this will be Jolly Roger’s downfall.

    I’m not worried about Jay Culter. He’s the poor man’s Tony Romo. He throws picks getting the mail. The Bears lost at home to Buffalo. Buffalo! Fricking Boobie got 60 on them. They gave up 200 yards on the ground. Hyde should get one-fitty in his sleep. In other words, Cutler can’t hurt us on the sidelines, and he’ll help us with a pick or 2.

    New thread is up.

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