The Harbaugh Dilemma

I’m sure you are all as thrilled as I am over the machinations that are occurring behind the scenes of the San Francisco 49ers front office as they wrestle with the idea of giving Jim Harbaugh a contract extension. Gladly for the sake of the team, the players, and the fans, they decided, amicably, to postpone contract extension talks til after this season.

The thing is, Harbaugh will immediately get the lame-duck designation after this season, depending on how things work out. The team could be at a very very important juncture in their desire to reach the promised land if this team falls short of its goal to win Super Bowl 49.

Harbaugh is currently on his original 5 year contract. One that is set to expire after the 2015 season. Due to his wildly successful start as a head coach here, the flag was raised by Jimbo after 2 season to ask for an extension. Things cooled a bit when they lost the Super Bowl, and then lost in the NFCCG last year. It got to the point of a nonsensical yet partially valid trade offer from the Cleveland Browns that was maybe taken semi-seriously  by the team.

Harbaugh certainly has ruffled the feathers of those in the front office. In what ways, us on the outside don’t really know, short of his professions to want to keep certain guys that fall out of favor with the front office, or his maniacal sense of importance to the team.

Certainly, Harbaugh has done an outstanding job as head coach, no one is denying that, but what happens going forward? This is really Jimbo’s contract push. Getting so close so fast has really put him in a shitty position. He set the bar to ‘impossibly high’ in two short years. All the front office has to do is point at the trophy case and say, in their best Judge Smails voice ”Well? We’re waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiting!”

Yes, Bill Walsh turned around a much shittier team in three years. Yes, Walsh is an impossibly high standard to live up to, but Jim put himself in this position, and seems to be driving wedges between he and the front office by hammering this contract thing. He’s backed off, but if he doesn’t win the Super Bowl this year, and say the offense looks a bit ragged, what should the team do?

  • Would you give Jim Harbaugh $10 mill a year for not winning it all?
  • Would you lame-duck his ass and say win or take your khakis elsewhere?
  • Would you say ~$8 mill, take it or leave it?

If we don’t win it all, I’m going with #3.

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220 Responses to The Harbaugh Dilemma

  1. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    This is a stupid debate. Who would even consider talking about this….. endlessly?

    • Nipper's avatar Nipper says:

      I concur. Who gives a damn? Contracts are for lawyers to hammer out. No one is indispensable.

  2. NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

    It doesn’t matter what Jed pays Harbaugh. If we win the SB this year Harbaugh can write his own check at half the teams in the league. Can’t pay him enough if he wants to go. What matters is how long Harbaugh wants to coach here. Jed or Jim should both be happy for him to stay here as long as he’s getting us into the championships. I think Harbaugh wants Parcells-type pelts to hang on his wall regardless of what he makes doing it.

    Harbaugh has benefitted greatly from the players he inherited and the team building/management of Baalke. Moving on to a true turn-around situation he may well fall on his face. He hasn’t had too many tough hills to climb here yet. Aside from winning with Alex, that is. But he did have the running game and defense to pull it off.

    Jed would be foolish to present an ultimatum such as win the trophy or move on. Waaaay too many variables out of the control of the head coach for that. I don’t know what Jed’s number is for Harbaugh but finding the right head coach is not just a matter of paying him enough. If Harbaugh is tops in the league in wins why shouldn’t he expect to paid like it? What? Jed wants a bargain and he’s starting with the head coach of a winning team? I doubt that’s the hang up.

  3. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    When Harbaugh left Stanford he told a Stanford player his entire reason for leaving the college ranks was to go after the ultimate championship. At first blush you might think Harbaugh won’t leave the 49ers because they give him his best shot at winning a Super Bowl. However, it didn’t take Harbaugh very long at all to find Kaep, go to Reno, throw the ball around with him, draft him and develop him. What did Mike Singletary say at the combine after he was fired? “You gotta have a qb.” Harbaugh can find ’em. Josh Johnson, Andrew Luck, Colin Kaepernick. The beauty of Harbaugh, and the reason he’s worth more than Bill Parcels is because Harbaugh can find you and develop you a franchise qb. He can weather qb controversies because he knows them. He can build up your qb’s confidence. He knows how to slowly coach-up a young qb while he’s on the field. It’s for this reason and this reason alone that Jim Harbaugh is worth more than ANY OTHER HC IN THE NFL. But then, like NoFear said, you throw in that Harbaugh’s got the best record in the NFL over the last three years and making Jim, regardless of this year’s outcome, the highest paid HC in the NFL is a no brainer. Because if Jed doesn’t, I guarantee you someone else will.

    • Nipper's avatar Nipper says:

      Yup.

    • Can Harbaugh find a QB? Check.
      Can Harbaugh develop that QB? Check.
      Can Harbaugh weather a QB controversy? Check.
      Can Harbaugh build up a QB’s confidence? Check.

      But what does Jimbo do next? He fucking relegates the most important, most influential and in most cases, unless your name is Alex D. Smith, the best player on your team to just another guy.

      Harbaugh had the best college QB in Andrew Luck since that horse-faced blondie from the same school,and what did Jimbo do? That’s right. He had the best fucking QB hand off the ball 54% of the time. Not that Andrew really cared, because that’s not in his makeup, but Harbaugh cost him two Heisman Trophies.

      And now he has *his* guy in Kap, and what does he do? We attempt the second fewest amount of passes last year. Why? That’s who he is. He’s Bo motherfucking Schembechler Jr. He did the same thing with Alex. And you people all thought our passing offense was going to open up once we ditched the “game manager.” Think again.

      We all know why we didn’t sign Peyton Manning. Same fucking reason why we’ve lost two NFCCGs and a Super Bowl in the last three years.

  4. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    You think Singletary would know what to do with a QB?

  5. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Well, NoFear, do you think the Niners should pay Harbaugh $10 mill if he doesn’t win the SB?

  6. NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

    The notion that a coach wins the Super Bowl is a red herring. The coaches teach players and put them in a position to make plays and win games. Harbaugh’s already done that much.

    Take “the catch” play that started the dynasty years, did Walsh make the throw or the catch? No. Hell, he’d given up on the play by the time the throw was made as he told Montana to do if Freddie Solomon wasn’t open.

    Contrast the play that put Seattle in the Super Bowl instead of us. You want to put that on the coach because he didn’t run out on the field and hold Kaepernick’s hand through the play? There’s some crazy logic to see that as a coaching or play calling failure.

    According to Boldin, Harbaugh’s putting the offense in Kaepernick’s hands this year, or intending to. If Kaepernick doesn’t take the reins and start making better decisions I’d guess Harbaugh is back to an offense that goes through Frank Gore. You’d see that as a coaching failure I suppose and want him fired for it. I don’t care what he pays Harbaugh. The idea of what he’s worth depends on what somebody’s willing to pay and what a replacement of equal quality will cost. Do you want to see Jed replace him to save some money? Or just another coach as long as the next guy has four verticals out on every down?

  7. Bottom line: Jim Harbaugh doesn’t *deserve* to be the highest paid coach in the NFL. He hasn’t won shit. And I’m sick and goddamn tired of you people telling me how much Jimbo’s “won” in his first three years.

    I thought we were all San Francisco Forty Niner fans here. We have but one, and only one measuring stick — winning Lombardi Trophies. Nothing else matters. Nothing.

  8. And another goddamn thing: I’m really sick and goddamn tired of people either getting shit they don’t deserve, or what really chaps my hide, people *not* getting what they deserve. Thank you criminal justice system. You’re a bigger goddamn joke then Harbaugh’s record in big games.

    • Nipper's avatar Nipper says:

      Yeah I got a seat belt violation from a cop on foot! Cost me a 120 bucks even after going to court!

  9. 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

    It’s funny to me. If there is criticism of the coaching for being too conservative that somehow translates to an expressed desire for 4 WR on go routes every down. Is this kindergarten? Niners need and have needed to be more creative in the passing game, every single statistic over the last 3 years of Harbaughs tenure has screamed that fact loud and clear regardless of players in each year.

    Niners have consistently been last or close to it in O production from the QB position over the 3 years Harbaugh has been HC, attempts, yards, TD’s. This is not because of players etc, it is by design pure and simple. That design, whether people like it of not, has not produced the 6th Lombardi. In fact one could make the case that nothing has been more consistent over the last 3 years than the team choking away the opportunity when it really counted.

    If that is not coaching I don’t know what is. Why the heck weren’t the Niners up by 20 going into the 4th qtr in Seattle? They were so damn conservative that’s why, so afraid not to lose or make a mistake that they took little to no risks until they were forced to at the end again casting Kap as the goat.

    How is this not obvious? Semantic arguments about how close they got is nonsense, they managed to get that close off the back of Kaps mad skills despite bozo the clown calling the same old tired plays against the leagues elite defenses in the playoffs. Kap almost single handidly kept the team in games that were beyond redemption. The truth is sooner or later, expecting a young QB to be superman against the very best will invariably catch up to you and it did, 2 years in a frickin row.

    Now this genious (nod to Spit) offensive coaching staff have decided the scheme was too complicated, NO SHIT!!! And who’s fault has that been, the players again? Any buffoon with half a brain has seen the utter confusion at the LOS game after game. Good Lord Tunderin Jayzeez people is this rocket science?

    This team has been successful IN SPITE of the offensive scheme, not because of it. The D and special teams have mostly carried it to the playoffs, Fangio should have been coach of the year. The offense has done just enough, and that largely on the aging back of Frank Gore. That game plan is over, no way Frank is seen as the guy to carry this team as he did for the last decade. It simply wasn’t enough when it mattered most against the best there is. Kaps heroics were not enough because the scheme constricted the passing O and Alex freakin Smith said the same damn thing and the run game with an old Frank Gore couldn’t make it go against the best defenses. A team should not end up relying on it’s QB to wing it to get to or win a SB. It should be deeper than that and it just hasn’t been. The players have been good enough, the coaching has let them down at the end when it really mattered most.

    • NoFear49er's avatar NoFear49er says:

      It’s not kindergarten, it’s an opinion expressed here quite often. Spread ’em out! Get three or four receivers in there, not TEs! Why are we running again?

      Kaep’s heroics are the only reason we were in the game? Who the hell else was playing at QB? He’s supposed to make plays and he supposed to make plays for sixty minutes not forty-five or fifty. You want to back up the Brinks truck for a guy who doesn’t make plays? We just got rid of one of those. And he’s a little punk-ass bitch to complain about anything that happened to him here after he leaves. Why can’t he nail down a contract with the new iteration of HIS TEAM that plays the game his way? He sucks! And nobody is happier to have him under center than Jamaal Charles and his fantasy owners. Alex makes dump off targets and RBs the best receiver on any team. So his complaints ring a little hollow to me.

      To accept your opinion one must accept the notion that the coaches don’t really want to win, don’t sacrifice their private lives and spend twenty hour days evaluating every player on every play and figuring out which plays the players can run, the QB likes and stand a decent chance of gaining ground against a particular defense and are so football stupid they just hold the players back from any chance they have of winning. Think that idea would fly in the locker room amongst the guys that are supposedly being held back? Or just the frustrated relatively ignorant fans?

      You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but nobody’s making up the fact that most fans and many here just want to see the ball put in the air on nearly every play and absolutely hate to see a run lining up anytime.

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        NF you are exaggerating what people are asking for greatly. Yes Kap’s heroics. This coaching staff has done very little with the passing game over 3 years and 2 QB. Granted Smith has his limitations as does Kap as a green horn, however, since this staff has basically employed the same style of offense they ran in college, 2 TE sets, run heavy, it seems safe to conclude they are the limiting factors on the passing game which is consistently at or near bottom each year, fair comment?

        Kap is put under pressure to produce amazing results to overcome poor scheme from time to time. This is the same Kap that you use the argument for limiting the O because he is a young QB but its all good to expect extraordinary play when the game has gotten away from them? Clearly this kid is more capable than they have allowed him to be. They have preferred to stay conservative until they have no choice then put it on Kap to pull a rabbit out of a hat. The problem with that is there is not much game time practice because that style of play is rarely used and the play calling for the passing O has been largely less effective as most throws are contested throws, rarely do we see an open receiver.

        All this comes down to for me is their O scheme is a bit out of balance. They agree and are trying to change that this year.

        One would not have to assume coaches want to lose, that is asinine. What one does have to assume is that the faith the coaches have placed in their overall scheme has proven to be a bit flawed. Not devastatingly flawed, not lets go out and wing it flawed, just a bit flawed, and this year they agree.

        Personally I like nothing more than watching the run game pound it down their throats, but that won’t work for every team and in particular against teams built the same way and I want to see more variation in playcalling, more options and some more spacing on occasions. This play it close to the vest, very conservative offense, rely on D approach has been very successful until it hasn’t and it hasn’t 3 years in a row against teams built in similar fashion. I can think of only 2 teams that have won in that fashion, Squawks and Ravens and both of those teams had more passing attack than the Niners.

        In Kap they have the horses to do more, something Flacco did in the SB for instance, using the same receiver the Niners now have in Boldin. You are entitled to your opinion too and although the approach up to now has yielded the most wins over the last 3 years it hasn’t yielded the trophy and IMO it could have twice if they were a bit more aggressive in the early part of those games.

        That is all.

  10. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    Levi Stadium is the house that Harbaugh built. There’s absolutely no way that stadium got built without Harbaugh choosing SF. I was writing this when Jed York was courting Harbaugh: “No Harbaugh, No Stadium. Know Harbaugh, Know Stadium.” Sound familiar? That stadium was dead in the water with investors hiding their pocketbooks with thoughts of Mike Singletary dropping his drawers at the podium. “Uh, no thanks, Jed. I’ve got my money tied up in… uh…. mutual funds.” But then Jed got his guy in Harbaugh and investors were lining up. And don’t try to revise history. That stadium was dead in the water until Harbaugh joined up.

    So Harbaugh’s the one who gets investors to have confidence in the Yorks, AND Harbaugh finds the Yorks a franchise qb who could play qb at a high level for 15 plus years, and you guys don’t think Harbaugh’s worth 15 million per year? How much do you think the value of the 49er franchise increased with Harbaugh’s presence insuring a new stadium and his tutelage of Kaep? Couple hundred million? Harbaugh doesn’t get any of that? He just gets paid to coach? Bullshit. If I was Harbaugh I’d want a ton of that and if I didn’t get any I’d feel disrespected and I’d go coach somewhere else for a team that needed a new stadium and a new qb – but I’d make sure this time I got paid.

    I cringe at the thought of Jim Harbaugh coaching the Raiders, but I tell you what – They need a new stadium and a franchise qb. And Mark Davis is dumb enough to defy the other owners and pay Harbaugh way outside his comparables to develop a new qb and get either a new stadium done, OR relocate.

    If I was Harbaugh, I’d make it be know that if the Yorks wanted to trade me in my last year of my contract (to try and get something for me) I would not do a sign and trade… meaning Harbaugh controls where he goes when his initial five year contract is up. Then I’d drop some heavy hints I was interested in the Raiders’ job. Jed York would shit brinks. Trust me, York’s got some investors to pay off. The Raiders are big time Harbaugh leverage because they need a stadium and a qb. The Bay Area would line up to create a another stadium for the Raiders and Harbaugh already likes it here. And unlike NFL players, owners don’t have nearly as much control over where coaches go. Owners can blackball players, but they can’t blackball coaches as easily. If I’m Harbaugh, the Raiders are my ace up my sleeve, and I wouldn’t be bluffing. I’d be happy to turn the Raiders around, promising up front to develop a franchise qb AND give new investors the confidence to help fund a new stadium. For a price.

    And back in the day when the 49ers were so bad and we all used to blog on the SF Chron, I’d troll crying, “GO RAIDERS” with my 49er logo upside down signaling franchise distress. But if Harbaugh goes to the Raiders and we’re left with Jed York and Jim Tomsula, I’m a Raider fan.

    I can hear Greg Papa now… TOUCHDOWN RRRRRRRRRRRRAIIIIIIIIDERRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    Actually… I shouldn’t say Mark Davis is “dumb enough” because that implies paying Harbaugh 15 million per year is a dumb move. It’s not. I should have written, “Mark Davis is renegade and desperate enough to pay Harbaugh 15 million per year to get a new stadium and franchise qb.” Paying Harbaugh 15 million per year is peanuts compared to what Mark Davis would make with a new stadium in say Berkeley with the next latest and greatest Harbaugh franchise qb at the helm for fifteen years. Five years, 75 million in trade for a new stadium, franchise qb and consistent playoff contender? Mark Davis would make 50 X that in 5 years. He’d jump all over that and wouldn’t care at all what the rest of the NFL owners thought.

  12. rtfirefly's avatar rtfirefly says:

    The Raiders had no need for Greg Papa tonight against the Chiefs.

    • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

      Are you smoking sherm? The Raiders (my new team when Harbaugh leaves to coach them) play the Lions tomorrow night.

      • rtfirefly's avatar rtfirefly says:

        If I were smoking, I would’ve got it right. The Raiders had no need for Greg Papa last week against the Vikings.
        Seriously I thought I saw the score of a KC-Oak game while surfing. I mean, I wasn’t going to drop anything to watch the Raiders or even care about their schedule.

      • rtfirefly's avatar rtfirefly says:

        Baseball, LOL. Funny thing is, the A’s-Royals score today wasn’t that much different than the Vikings-Raiders.

  13. rtfirefly's avatar rtfirefly says:

    I liked very much the offense on Kappy’s drive – up until the run into the line with Hunter. The sweep looked like a good call. When your tackle decides during the middle of the play to start counting grass blades with his nose, you’re gonna have a problem no matter.
    The Hunter dive is what concerns me. It looked like Same Ol’, Same Ol’. Why not Hyde there? Why not Hyde left, where he’d already had success? Not Monday Morning QBing, that’s what I thought they should do at the time.
    I’m still in wait and see mode. Talking about offensive reform and doing it are two entirely different beasties.

  14. rtfirefly's avatar rtfirefly says:

    I could see Harbaugh wanting to find out if Martin could block inside any better than he could lead a sweep, but 3rd and goal on Kappy’s last play seems a funny way to do it.

  15. 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

    In other news a $1.3 Billion dollar stadium deal came together today following the announcement of the hiring of an untested college coach….What a tool.

    • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

      You must not have a good memory…. or prefer revisionist history.

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        Neither one, I don’t subscribe to your theory that the stadium financing had a damned thing to do with who coaches the team. Think Steve Balmer gives a shit who his coach is before plonking down $2 Billion ?

        It may work this way in your head and therefore strengthen you argumentative opinion but not in board rooms where the banksters live. They don’t give a flying fornication who the coach is and even less for a guy with no championship credentials.

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        Purchasing a franchise is very different than financing a stadium. Try not to confuse yourself. Have you ever tried to get anything funded? Worked a prospectus? Of course you haven’t. Here’s a challenge for the uninformed (you, no offense). You go out and raise money for a new stadium with Mike Singletary or nobody as the 49ers head coach (just a history of Singletary, Nolan and Erickson), and I’ll go out and raise money for the same stadium dropping the name of Jim Harbaugh who just won the Orange Bowl in college and is the mostly highly sought after NFL head coaching candidate since I don’t know who. Who do you think raises money faster? That’s not rhetoric. Who do you think raises money faster?

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        Spit no offense but your an absolute no nothing idiot. This pie in the sky claptrap you keep regurgitating is meaningless. Nobody, absolutely nobody in the banking industry decides to invest these sums of money based on hiring a college coach. The coach is just the cherry on the top of the cake, they invest on the cake, not the cherry, regardless of how you think it should be.

  16. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    Don’t you mean “know” nothing? Irony. You didn’t answer my not so rhetorical question.

    Coaching is absolutely everything in the NFL. Everything.

    • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

      Your “question” is a joke. You concoct a half assed scenario with no real world application and I’m supposed to dignify it? There is no question, only your fantasy of how financing a stadium is done and it sure as shit ain’t about coaching, god what a moron.

  17. 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

    This bromance you have cultivated for Harbaugh turning him into a god like figure now worth almost double any other coach in the league $15 m in your estimation, not to mention the apparent ability to make hardened bean counters suddenly whip out their checkbooks for this untested college coach of which legions have failed before him is a funny as hell.

    One word. Naive.

  18. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    So instead of answering the question that isn’t too difficult to answer, you want to attack both the question and the person asking it. You must watch Fox News.

    • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

      Irony, Spit whining about being attacked.

      Let me clue you in.
      How many stadium seats were sold under Ericksons tenure? How about Nolan?, Singletary? Bill Walsh? Jim Harbaugh? Get the point yet or shall I bring crayons?
      It makes zero difference to the 49ers stadium facility whether they win, lose or draw season after season. It makes zero difference who coaches them either, zero. The stadium is sold out game after game, year after year.

      Fans are happier under one coach or another but it makes zero difference to the stadiums bottom line and that’s all the bean counters look at. ROI on a stadium is about bums in seats and that has been guaranteed for 30 years already.

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        Oh really? I didn’t realize you had a degree in finance. This is excellent. I’m learning so much. Thank god you’re here, 12th. Answer me this. If a large portion of the stadium is privately funded, and the team has a policy of buying unsold tickets to avoid blackouts, is that a good investment? LMAO (at you). Under Erickson, Nolan and Singletary the Yorks couldn’t fill Candlestick, and we’re talking about America’s game.

        I have another question for you, 12th. How many time, with Jim Harbaugh as their head coach, did the York family have to buy tickets to avoid a blackout? That one, buddy, is rhetorical. Just for you.

        If we’re talking about return on your investment, would you look at the Yorks as a smart investment if they can’t even fill a stadium that’s apart of America’s game? LMAO. I mean you’re the finance guy here.

        So the head coach isn’t apart of the financial prospectus to private investors? That just seems so hard to believe but I’ll take your word for it because you’re the finance guru.

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        I think your a bit slow Spitty. The Niners have sold out their season tix for over 30 years. A half empty stadium on T.V. makes no difference, they got the money anyway. We are not talking about the Raiders or the Chargers who don’t sell out their season tix, this is the 49ers and they do. I hope you are following me on this one. Fingers crossed.

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        Lol.. Obviously you don’t know the truth about 49er sellouts. You should go educate yourself about this before popping off about how the coach doesn’t matter regarding stadium financing deals. The Yorks had to buy tickets to avoid blackouts quite a bit before Harbaugh got here. Google search “Yorks buy 49er tickets at candlestick to avoid blackouts.” Then shut your mouth for the evening…. humbled.

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        Good grief you are slower than I thought. Season tix is what bean counters base their projections on. Not game day tix which can fluctuate wildly by weather or opponent. It’s called the base line, it’s what the investors can see as a sure return, game day tix are projections, gravy. Niners consistently have sold out their season tix regardless of circumstance, meaning that is a solid baseline to calculate ROI for a new stadium on.

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        Anything you say, brother.

  19. Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

    12th –
    How about instead of getting irrational and personal you produce some actual evidence that the stadium deal was well on its way to being funded before Harbaugh got there. Don’t answer my question, just go do that. If you can’t do either, you’re pissin’ in the wind.

    • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

      I’m pissing in the wind? You decide the stadium deal only got done with Harbaugh being hired and I need to bring you evidence? You are one funny guy. You not only have no “evidence”, you made up the whole idea of it in the first place. It’s your theory, see what I’m saying?

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        Not really. You’re the one with the problem with my thesis. Disprove it. “You don’t tug on Superman’s cap… you don’t piss into the wind….”

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        I think I need to borrow your decoder ring. I have nothing to prove, you made the assertion that the stadium only happened because Harbaugh got hired. I say bullshit. Now its up to you to prove your assertion, that’s how this works, get it?

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        So you can’t disprove any of my theories but you take umbrage with them? Considering your track record on issues around here…. I’m okay with that.

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        UMM, no I can’t disprove one of your made up, unsupported theories presented with absolutely zero evidence other than you think that’s what happened.

        Dude a 15 watt light bulb is brighter than you, seriously.

        Here’s your track record BTW: I think this is what happened and so in conclusion it did, the end. P.S. your all idiots.

        Your like a little kid.

      • Spitblood's avatar Spitblood says:

        This has been fun, 12th. To summarize – Harbaugh got the stadium built. The Yorks used to have to buy season tickets for Candlestick to avoid blackouts – for America’s game, and the best damn leverage Jim Harbaugh has is Mark Davis. If Mark can’t find a suitable stadium location, and still doesn’t have a franchise qb in two years, Jim Harbaugh should start negotiating with Mark Davis and watch how fast Jed York’s asshole puckers and caves in. “Please don’t leave and build up my competition across the Bay, Jim. Do you want 12 million per year?”

      • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

        It has been fun but your full of shit. Yorks don’t buy season tix, see above. What Harbaugh got was hired. Do you know what an environmental impact study is? Do you know how expensive they are? do you know how long they take to come to a conclusion and report? Do you know how many City and State agencies get to review it? Do you have any clue of the time it takes to get to the point that financing can even be discussed? Here’s a hint, it was more than a couple of weeks before Harbaugh was hired. Ergo the prep and planning and first round of financing was in the bag waaaaay before Harbaugh was even a possibility.

        Not sure why I’m bothering to tell you all this as it makes no difference. Harbaugh had jack shit to do with obtaining financing for the stadium except in your wet dreams.

  20. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    The vote (June 2010), EIR, and all the other logistical shit happened before Harbaugh got here. The stadium financing money came during and after. Levi’s threw down their $220 mill 11 months after Harbs’ arrival.

    It certainly helped that Harbaugh made the team relevant in a hurry.

    See? wasn’t that easy?

    • 12th man's avatar 12th man says:

      Yeah its even easier, Levis naming rights is paid over 11 years, think that first $20 mil tipped the scale on a $1.3 Billion project?

      Team relevancy and Harbaugh has a negligible effect if any. All the hay was in the barn before Harbaugh was even available.

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