Can’t say enough bout the new stadium. Beyond the fact its nowhere near the water, or San Francisco for that matter, the place is pretty damn nice. Took a bunch of pics. Didn’t try the wi-fi or any of that shit, and apparently there were problems, as with the lines and shit, but we ate early, and didn’t have any problems getting food or beer. The bathrooms are huge, so there wasn’t any wait there, and getting out was easy. Thing is, it’s hard to know the true situation because by the 3rd quarter, the place was 3/4 empty. No prob getting out either.
It was hotter than any game at the Stick I’ve ever seen. And there’s very little shade in the stands. A little curious, but ain’t no thing. One thing they figured out was the sound. No annoying echoes like the Stick on the visitors side, and the big screens were nice. The place is gorgeous on the inside.
Other than that, this game was another exercise for the defense. They were on the field most of the game once again as the new-look offense (yes, more 2+ WR formations again) looked OK under Kappy and the ones (2 drives, 2 missed FGs) , while Blaine the Train (wreck) bumbled and stumbled into another dogshit performance worthy of banishment to the Arena League. JJ comported himself not-so-well by fumbling his first snap, and by then, we split.
The defense appears to be a bit out of sorts as well. The first string guys played a little, and held Manning to a FG early. The run D was fine, but when playing Manning, that isn’t a big concern. My concern was the total lack of a pass rush. We didn’t get close to Manning, although I will say we didn’t blitz at all. For all that, we still couldn’t cover with a standard 4 man rush. The linebackers are really doing terrible in underneath coverage as once again, they gave up 8-15 yard plays to the various TEs and RBs out there with impunity. The couple times Manning (and Ostweiler for God’s sake) went deep, the LBs were again slow and late and burned for easy scores.
In other words, the offense needs to make up for the defense, which will be without the services of Aldon Smith soon, as well as NaVorro Bowman. I’m not THAT worried about things, but after game 3 of the preseason, I’d hope we would have scored some points on offense, and stopped someone on defense.
You may not have noticed, but the Niners ran 5 wide on one play with Kappy in. Unfortunately I forget the result of the play, incomplete? First time I remember them doing that.
Kappy’s obviously not running now, so once the season starts that will be a great weapon. I have hope.
Yeah, there was some empty backfield plays which were good to see. I know they did it with Kappy once, and Gabbert few times.
Thing I just don’t get was everything was a checkdown short of the near-TD to Lloyd.
I’m sort of thinking they just wanted Kappy to look and check down, just to get used to it, but I don’t really know. He wasn’t under very much pressure, but Denver was giving up the short shots to the WRs so they took advantage of it while it was there.
The play I saw had no TEs. I didn’t see the receiving personnel.
Kappy looked to me to be treating the game as practice, which it is. Practice staying in the pocket, practice scanning the field for multiple receivers, practice hitting his checkdowns instead of running.
It was partially successful, partially not, but it wasn’t nearly the debacle that the final score would indicate. I’m not overly concerned with the offense at this point. Now, the D…
First, it was great to meet Chuck at the game. glad there were empty seats for his son and him to use. A lot cooler where I was. Next is the Niners. It seems that the Niners coaching staff does not care about winning in the preseason. It appears they want to see how everyone is performing individually rather than as a team. I don’t know how else to explain the poor execution on both sides of the ball. Some people not playing so it is really hrd to evaluate this team. I guess we all will see what goes down on opening day. Lets hope it goes well.
I’m jealous as hell. All those decades of living and working in Santa Clara Valley and they put the stadium in now, after I’m gone. Harummmph!
Looked great on TV. That’s about as close as I’ll ever get to it. Public transportation is the way to go if one can use it. Traffic is going to be interesting when the full stadium leaves after a REAL game. Holy Shit!
Yeah, our plan was to park nearby and ride bikes to the free bike valet. Unfortunately my bike had a flat, but we ended up parking close to a VTA stop, so we took the light rail. Saved $40-$50 bucks there . . . Train was a bit of a cluster as we had to wait for 3 other trains to leave our station so we sat there for 15 minutes gathering heat.
And yes, thanks for the use of the seats, Kevin! Pretty damn hot in there yesterday.
I’ll post the pics in a little while.
Alex Boone apparently turned down an offer that would have put him in the top 12 pay grade of guards in the league.
Oh well. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
it’s weird. Dude seems like the coolest dude ever and now he’s pulling this shit. Must be easily swayed by advisors.
It’s reported elsewhere the offer isn’t even top 25
Yeah, the biggest problem is he got Darelle Revis’s agents earlier this year.
The holdout kings.
Revis is a shutdown corner. Boone is a guard. Not quite the same demand . . .
What a second? Trent Baalke’s negotiating with a holdout? How stupid is that? Micheal Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Mike Iupati, Aldon Smith … even Jim Harbaugh and Vic Fangio? This team is about to have several players and coaches with new contracts needing to be negotiated, and Baalke appears to be giving everyone future leverage negotiating with a holdout now? I know coaches can’t really holdout, but it looks like players can and be recognized. That’s a stupid mistake by Baalke. Nevermind that Baalke’s a liar (the 49ers don’t negotiate with holdouts). It’s one thing for a head coach to lie to the media because they’ve got microphones in their face 24/7 with people looking for drama to twist and turn into major stories (see Mike Singletary’s tenure). But a front office guy doesn’t need to lie. It just destroys credibility with the front office, where credibility is needed most. The head coach needs to practice and master deception. The GM needs to be integrity and honesty. But now Baalke’s lying AND not getting anywhere with Boone? Baalke’s an idiot.
A GM can’t lie? You serious?
It’s most likely Paraag and Boone’s Agents doing business as usual Spit.
They own his rights for 2 more years.
You yourself made quite the stink about leverage when all this nonsense started.
By exercising their leverage, the FO will continue to seek common ground via his representatives.
It’s all about Cap Mgt.
Boone is worth the discussions, he just isn’t worth breaking protocol over, in terms of holdouts getting things done at the expense of the teams’ other priorities.
Blah, blah, blah….
Name a time when a GM’s lied that you’re aware of.
every GM, every single draft for starters.
I wouldn’t call draft ideas or thoughts lying. Guarded, yes. Lying, no. Got another example?
Define disinformation. Is it lying?
Every GM does it.
You never broadcast your intentions in this business.
As with Alex, you tell everyone who’s willing to listen, that your players are held in the highest regard, until you get some value back in a Trade.
Float a little noise to the media about making an offer to Boone and smear his position a little perhaps?
Scare away the suitors who might think we’re forced into a fire sale?
Not gonna happen.
They OWN him.
For 2 more years.
You know the word.
REPORT:Boone turns down lucrative offer.
His asking price is too high?
Then you find out who’s hurting the most for a starting OG with OT ability and start milking that cow.
Win/Win for SF.
Lose/Lose for The Mevis Agency and Boone.
Squawks GM was steadfast that beast mode wont get paid, then paid him. This stuff goes on all the time. Ordinary business.
Baalke could possibly turn an UDFA into a 2nd RD pick if the right suitor comes into the fray.
If they chose to let him sit, he get fined into oblivion.
He won’t sit any great amount of time. The business of football is vastly different to the days of Al Davis/Marcus Allen spite. If they can’t reach agreement they do a deal for him, create value, since something is better than nothing.
My best guess is they reach agreement.
At his present contract level, the fines could devour it pretty quickly.
He’s getting some bad advice IMO.
He’s got NO leverage in this battle.
Johnny Manziel’s a total bust. Only reason he just scored is because he was given three different penalties on 3rd downs that helped sustain drives. Wait ’til the refs don’t give him those penalties anymore. Best qb in the stadium tonight? My boy: Captain Kirk Cousins.
The thing that stinks the most about the Boone holdout is, what he’s doing to the rest of his OLine mates.
At least I can give a little credence to Vernon for coming in for the good of the team.
Boone is just looking more and more like a selfish bastard at this point.
Boone is underpaid. I presume a deal gets done next week or two. Not a big fan of the hold out tactic but what other leverage does he have? I’m guessing Paraag has been playing hardball so Boone’s agents up the ante.
He absolutely is 12th.
Baalke took a gamble on him and it paid off, because Boone turned it around.
From the perspective that he was a loose cannon, with a drinking problem, he cost himself a ton of money coming into the league and, now feels it’s time to recoup it.
The Mevis Agency doesn’t know any other methods unfortunately.
Paraag holds all the markers in this game.
All the markers except Boone refusing to play. If that comes to pass the markers are worthless. If Paraag won’t pay Boone an acceptable amount (from Boone’s perspective) then Baalke will cut a deal with another team and Boone get’s paid either way. It’s not a bad strategy if getting paid is the goal.
My preference is they all cut the crap and pay the guy his worth. Yeah he was a risk etc, Baalke took a flier on him and it’s paid off. Sure he has 2 years of contract left but his wanting to get paid more commensurate with his level of play isn’t crazy. He is a very good RG and a better LT. He could be a starting LT elsewhere and get paid a ton more.
Cut the crap and pay him already.
From what I’ve picked up, relative to OG salaries, Logan Mankins in NE is the highest paid OG.
Somewhere in the $8M range.
Obviously, we haven’t got a clue what the Mevis Agency is looking for but, yeh, I agree.
It’s semantics at this point.
He won’t report, team wants to avoid setting a bad precedent for guys holding out to attain new deals.
The CBA more or less was restructured to avoid this chaos.
I’m all for giving him a better deal, however, they can’t pay him crazy-level wages if they have any chance at re-signing Iupati next year.
It would be nice for all concerned if they did find some common ground.
Clock is ticking, and he’s missed a lot of conditioning time thus far.
All they need is a face saving mechanism, shouldn’t be too hard for them to devise one. They need Boone and paying him more is reasonable at the end of the day. Drawing lines in the sand and all that is for PR purposes. Bet your ass there are negotiations ongoing to figure a way to resolve it.
They stood firm with Frank and all was amicable in the end.
It’s all about the hold out process that’s shaping this into a huge ball of dung.
Bottom line is, once (if) they reach a satisfactory number with the Mevis Agency, they’ll instruct Boone to show up before the deal gets signed.
That solves the PR dilema.
I’m just starting to have my doubts about how crazy the asking price is.
Didn’t Frank hold out too? I might be wrong there but I believe he did and they did end up paying him.
I’m not suggesting Logan Mankins money, $8m as you say, but for my money Boone is playing close to Iupati standard with the very large upside of being a very capable LT. Not trying to debate who has more value just illustrating how fans can get emotional about the player hurting the team etc without considering all the variables. It could even be that Boone is forcing his way off the team so he can play LT elsewhere and get a boatload more money, I have no idea if that’s true, just speculating.
Yes Frank tried it and did report before he got the extension.
Same scenario we have now with Boone.
As you said, it’s the PR thing involving the holdout in a nutshell.
Team says come in, we’ll work it out.
Agents appear to be putting the cabbosh on it.
Cat and mouse, who blinks first nonsense.
Petty drama IMO.
Thought i remembered correctly. So the likely scenario was they worked out a deal as long as Frank returned to the team first, then they announce it and everybody wins, especially frank! Holding out is just a tool.
That’s the other side of this sword too 12th.
How high are they shooting?
If he goes into Mankins-level demands he’s as good as Traded IMO.
Yes, he’s a converted OT, like Anthony so he could very well be looking to go that route of forcing a deal.
That’s why I think Paraag has been successful at managing the Cap as he has, he doesn’t blow the budget needlessly.
Some team might come calling as I eluded to in earlier posts.
If he’s asking for the moon, you float fluff to taint their position and quietly look for the right suitor.
It does play into how much Boone wants to stay certainly.
We just don’t know NJ. It was reported they offered top 12 RG money but later it came out as a tag on to the existing contract diluting it to below top 25 RG money. I read somewhere he is getting 36th RG money. I would guess he see’s himself as better than mid pack RG.
He is not only a converted LT he plays LT for the Niners when Staley is out and is outstanding at the position. No question he could start LT for other teams. That is where the money really is but Staley isn’t going anywhere which is why I floated the idea that just maybe he is trying to force his way out.
Could very well be 12th?
Maybe he’s more about the money than the Ring?
We’ll see where this goes.
I’ve got no problems with anyone seeking better compensation.
Just play fair. He’s not a FA at this point.
So what’s a contract worth? Why even sign one if all you have to do is refuse to play when you want a better one? Does he get your sympathy when he wants a five year security blanket at the end of his career instead of a yearly high-bidder deal?
Baalke caving now and trashing his position of not negotiating with holdouts is the worst thing he could do. And who says if he does, that Boone doesn’t get IR’d with a broken leg before he plays a game?
In general I agree with that, contracts should be honored as far as possible although teams very regularly don’t hold up their end of the bargain. But there has to be exceptions to the rule where the situation has changed sufficiently to alter the terms. I think this is one of those times. I would also guess the idea of getting injured and getting his current level of compensation without the ability to build his case for a substantial pay increase is factoring into his request.
Bottom line is he is underpaid and justifiably deserving of a decent contract. Not crazy about the method but it’s business in todays NFL and the team won’t hesitate to not honor the full length of his contract if his play were decline for instance.
That’s what I’m saying too NoFear49er.
The current CBA was targeting these tactics specifically, because of what Revis was doing to the NYJ, at just about any time they felt like it.
No one disagrees with the Boone Contract being well under market levels but, as you say, this is what he agreed to.
Paraag and Baalke have been pretty steady in their approach to offering extensions to guys they’ve wanted to retain.
With Iupati/Crabtree on the horizon, Boone is impacting those plans by stepping out of rotation. Muddles up the Cap Mgt process and could impact how they treat the price they may have in mind for Iupati directly.
I’d prefer to keep Boone of course but, they’ve likely got to rework their projectons for the Cap 2 years earlier than they might have otherwise intended to do so.
Again, I put all of this on The Mevis Agency.
A few seasons ago Carlos Rogers was asked to take a substantial pay cut ($2m IIRC) in his contract pay or risk being cut. He refused, and lucky for him an injury or 2 at the position gave him sufficient leverage to get his contracted pay in full. How does that square with the notion of what a contract is worth? This is a game both sides play and it comes down to our fav word: Leverage
The team can’t cut a guy with a no-cut contract without paying him for it. They can cut a guy whenever they want as long as they pay him his guaranteed money. IOW, they do have to stick to the contract terms.
Military men in the middle of a battle say eff my teammates I’m paid too little for all shit coming at me and all the bad guys I’m taking out. Firemen walk off a fire because they think they need more money if they’re this good at fighting fires and saving people lives.
I’m reminded of all the right words they all have when they need the job. After they get it, $2M+ a year to play football was their dream coming true, and now isn’t enough for the ingrates to honor the contract they desperately needed.
The most I’d do is agree to renegotiate after this year’s over if he plays up to par.
Yes and no. Almost no contracts are fully guaranteed by the team and there is always the threat of starting another player in front of them unless they agree to reduce pay. It happens.
They’re still entitled to their guaranteed money. It’s a legal contract. The player, the player’s agent and the NFLPA will hold the team to it. Why does a player get fan support when he disregards it at the expense of the team, only to enrich himself? I don’t mind the guy asking for more money. He did, and so did Davis. The team said no, get back to work. When you’re able to do so, go get more money somewhere else if need be.
Guaranteed money very rarely goes beyond 3 years if that so a 5 year contract has no guaranteed money in the back 2 years where most of these disputes occur, Carlos Rogers was in that position and Boone probably will be next year.
In Davis’ case he has been paid a lot of money, twice and comes off as a greedy ass. I don’t equate Boone with Davis. Boone has been paid very little up till now so I have a lot more sympathy for him than Davis.
That was my point 12th man. He got what was guaranteed in his contract. The future years’ salaries were always an optional feature.
The money is relative. $2M+ for a year of football sounds pretty good to me. I think Boone comes off as a greedier ass since he’s willing to forfeit the team’s winning games to get his money and Davis went back to work. That’s a guy trying to get all he can but not at the expense of the team that got him where he’s at.
When the team has the ability to squeeze the player they do it without compunction if it has no repercussions. When the player signs his contract it is a reflection of his worth at that time. I have no problem with that, most players sign to their respective value. In a few instances the player far exceeds his contract value. It is good business to extend those players early so the future costs are lower in exchange for player contract security.
For whatever reason in Boone’s case no extension has yet been forthcoming and the team has extended several players with 2+ years of contract left, they just did it again with Staley. I have no insight into why they haven’t with Boone but the inference is they are taking advantage of a player who has far exceeded his contract. We learned the team has now made some kind of offer but it is thought to be a low ball offer so clearly the team does accept the position that he is underpaid and should get more. Now it’s down to values.
Sometimes it takes extraordinary actions to get sufficient attention. Maybe that is the deal with Boone. As I said, I expect they will hammer out a deal in the next week, maybe two and all this blather goes away.
I think I read he gets $1.5 mil this year, his 3rd of a 5 year contract. Reasonable to assume next 2 years contain zero guaranteed money, possibly even for injury. That’s a huge risk for a guy who is being paid very low end RG money. A career ending injury now and he never gets paid.
Crazy business NoFear49er.
Teams always have the upper hand it seems, since to them, the players are replaceable.
I’m with you however, honor your commitments.
I think the team is just trying to remove all the distractions of the hold out process itself.
True enough NJ49er. They’re the ones that have been writing those contracts for many players for many years. It’s hard to get one over on them. But there are still Albert Haynesworth deals being signed every year. No one is crying over the team losing tens of millions.
Stupid is as stupid does NoFear49er.
Snyder got hosed by Haynesworth.
Poor judgement on his part in the first place.
You know my feelings about Paraag and Baalke.
I think they’re very good at what they do.
Have a budget, stick to it.
Agree completely about being a team player too.
I appreciate guys that restructure to keep a Team competitive too.
Those are the kind of guys I’d want on my team too.
The guys that want to win.
Perhaps, as 12th has suggested, this could be a power play to go elsewhere for a more lucrative deal?
Especially if you look at the guys waiting in the wings to play OG on much more Cap friendly Contracts.
Maybe Boone feels like he’s going to get overlooked and wants out?
This is why Lloyds of London is around too.
If a player was smart, he’d take some of his pesos and insure his own post-football future, instead of partying it away.
I believe Kaep has something written into his extension to protect himself in that regard.
As with any Contract, the advertised value is only as good as the guaranteed portion of the deal.
Yes, and the team made him buy a policy to protect them, too. Why wouldn’t he just have bought a policy to protect himself in the first place?
Team demanded it of him. They gave him $60m guaranteed was the headline IIRC. In reality it was $60m guaranteed for injury only and then they recoup $20m from the insurance policy they made him take out on their behalf. SO it’s $40 mil guaranteed, for injury only. What is actually guaranteed other than for injury is 1 year $13 mil
Yeh Kaeps’ deal was done with smoke and mirrors I think?
I actually feel like he got hosed, disguised as helping the team.
I thought I’d read something involving Lloyds but, his deal is still very confusing to me.
These NFL Contracts need their own legal team to decipher them it seems.
I think he got hosed too. My fear is he becomes bitter about it if Crabs isn’t signed.
Truthfully 12th, I’m not sure Crabtree would even consider Kaep’s gesture.
He’ll want what he wants regardless.
I’m of the belief that it’s going to come down to Iupati being the more desirable retention effort.
Just don’t know what the market will offer until he gets there.
Can’t see them keeping both guys.
Quite the challenge this NFL maze.
Kap has a $20 mil insurance policy for career ending injury, only thing is it pays the team not him.
Again, he signed it. He certainly didn’t need to give in to demands he didn’t agree with.
As you say, he signed it. Its a head shaker to me.
This game is still a business afterall, with LOTS of zeroes attached.
Players are expendible, their careers are all about risk management and production.
OL-men typically avoid serious injuries in comparison to RBs certainly.
Boone has definitely outperformed his current deal but, he’s got no one to blame for signing his current Contract but himself.
I would love to retain him, simply because of continuity but, the business side of the game can’t be ignored.
Everyone deserves a pay day, just realize that there’s only so much $$$ available in a given year.
12th man, I don’t understand how they’re taking advantage of Boone by paying him what they both agreed was fair for the length of time written. It’s only a fair deal if the player plays up to mediocre or below? He plays better, he asks for more on his next deal. That’s usually the way it works.
I have no sympathy for Boone’s “low” pay. $2M+ for the next two years from what I’ve seen. By your reasoning Kaepernick would have been justified sitting out as soon as we parted ways with Alex and holding the fortunes of the team hostage doing it.
When Boone signed his contract he was 3rd string RG I believe. He now has 2 years as a starter and a good one keeping Snyder on the bench. It was also a “prove it” contract because of his poor history. I would say it deserves revamping.
Who gets what they deserve? Kaepernick’s contract certainly “deserved” revamping, too. He didn’t quit on the team to get his.
If I were Baalke I wouldn’t want to be the hard-nosed asshole that kept us from having any right side to our o-line but I wouldn’t tell everyone else that we won’t negotiate with holdouts and then do so with Boone.
If Baalke plays it out it could cost Boone all his money and a question mark for other GMs in the league. Get back to work soonest.
I’m out, pleasure jawing with you boys.
Take care 12th, ditto.
I’m out, too. Evenin’/Mornin’ gents.
Lets hope the Niners show up for the next practice game at least for the first half. Practice, it’s just practice! Everyone is worried about injuries despite the denials. Guys going down in a meaningless game is not the way to go.
The graveyard shift was well represented last night . . . Good stuff.
The thing about Boone is, for all intents and purposes, he was very thankful that the Niners gave him the shot they did, even after his college drinking/fighting issues, his not being drafted, and his early problems with the 49ers. He has proven to be a valuable player who has, with the help of the 49ers, turned his life around and gotten his shit together. They gave him a deal that fit with where he was on the depth chart at the time.
He appears to be well-liked by his teammates, and he’s a fan favorite, so I don’t get the hard line he’s taking. As he’s proving, he’s only hurting himself in all this. Spitting on $2+ million is a bit ludicrous to those of us on the outside, but for a guy of his ability, it’s obvious he’s underpaid. He deserves a raise for flying to the top of the league as far as offensive linemen go, but there are better ways to solve this problem than holding out and demanding they do something about him.
He’s hurting this team, but selfishness isn’t a trait that is really frowned upon in the NFL. Either way, he’ll get paid by someone. Now or later.
Jason Cole is reporting that there’s whining in the Niner locker room about how grueling the practices are. How they’ve had such long seasons with all those playoff games thrown in. Unnamed players, of course. There’s also squawking about the fact that the Niners are being tight-fisted with certain contracts. Blah blah blah. Plus, Harbaugh’s contract status still looms large in the background.
Thing is, my immediate thought when Kappy signed his deal was, his largesse will have no bearing on how they deal with VD or Crabs. If it comes to pass that they split for greener paychecks, Kappy might get pissed off at his current deal and the fact it didn’t help keep the team together. And if the Niners used that as a negotiating point, well, he’ll be rightfully angry about it. As I said a little while ago, this house of cards is getting shakey. More and more shit is leaking out from the players that they aren’t buying what Jimbo is selling. Throw in the contract problems looming, and you have the potential for another collapse.
Sure, a lot of this is just the preseason blues, and these guys want to get real games going, but this has been a pretty fractious offseason.
I doubt Kaep gets pissed if this whole thing implodes. I think when he sat down with his father and agent to do this deal he had a long-term approach in mind (and despite 12th not getting it — which isn’t surprising to anyone — the deal was a very smart Kaep move). Any one particular player be signed or re-signed isn’t going to make or break Kaep. The idea is giving back creates more room under the cap, generally, and helps create a more complete team – at the GM’s discretion. The one area of concern I’d have is the head coach. You give Kaep Jim Tomsula as your head coach and that’s when things start to get funky….. quick. That’s when I’d have a season-ending hamstring injury.
Boone’s definitely underpaid. I disagree with NoFear about the whole, “integrity of the contract,” kind of deal. I think there are times when players outperform their contracts and the organization should pay them more. There have been times in the past when the 49ers have torn up contracts and paid players more…. willingly. Trouble is now the team is stacked with players and players need to decide whether they want to compete for rings or leave like Goldson for the money. Things change.
But I completely agree with NoFear that Baalke should not be negotiating with a holdout. That’s a mistake. Organizations make policies to avoid an avalanche of poor behavior by future players. Baalke negotiating with a holdout leaves the door open for other players to think that behavior is okay. This is an amateurish move by our GM…. something 49er fans should get accustom to after Harbaugh leaves. Hell, I was accustom to it for years before Harbaugh got here. Our front office is a joke.
Gee, got it all covered there Spitty? It wasn’t long ago you were singing their praises.
The problem is, all teams do this all the time. Every GM has negotiated behind the scenes. This isn’t anything new or different. Players are treated differently based on value, perception, ability, and attitude. Boone is a very good RG who can play as a tackle. He’s got a lot of value. He’s underpaid. He’s going about this the wroong way, but the Niners aren’t simply going to stand by and let him hold out his way off the team. Regardless of what they say, they ARE going to try and keep him here. If his price tag is too high, well, he’s gone. They’ll trade him. If they can work something out, great. To think this isn’t the case is way too simplistic.
Jerry Jones played hardball with Emmett Smith and caved in after they staggered out of the gate. Drew Brees, Darelle Revis, on and on. Teams and GMs say one thing and do another all the time.
Typical Unca response. Blah, blah, blah….
Typical of you to blow with the wind. I mean really. You agree with NoFear but in the same paragraph you don’t. Brilliant.
I think that about covers it.
You havin’ a rough day, pookie?
Same old shit here, different day. of course some things change and somethings should not. Walsh did not push his teams in preseason, he understood the pounding his players were going to take in the regular season. So why JH is pushing them only he can answer.
Peachy, skippy. You run out of stock fish pics?
If you agree with the ‘not negotiating with terrorists, errrr, players’ aspect, then that means you agree with the ‘integrity of the contract’ idea. You can’t be on both sides of the fence. Yet you are. Again, brilliant.
You call the Niners front office amateur for not being forthcoming about their negotiating tactics? Ludicrous. I call it doing business in the NFL. Every team does it. Truth is no one really knows what is happening. No one really knows what the offer was. Conflicting reports abound. Boone hasn’t said word one.
Point being, they are trying to sign him. Like every other team in this position. Drew Brees, Marshawn Lynch, Darelle Revis, Dashon Goldson, TO, etc, etc, etc.
Unca should watch this about 150 times to get it through his thick skull. But even then it wouldn’t penetrate into brain matter unless the information went through his anus.
In light of recent leaked reports what the 49ers should do now is break off talks with Alex Boone entirely and actually remove the contract reportedly offered to him from the table. Harbaugh just said, “We believe we can win with Joe Looney.” He said the exact same thing with Alex Smith before Harbaugh had ever coached a game in SF… and Harbaugh took the team to the NFC Championship with Smith. He can win with Looney, and Marcus Martin is a smart guy. Martin also played guard and I believe the only thing keeping Martin from beating out Looney is that Martin doesn’t know the playbook yet. But it’s easier for linemen than it is skill position players to learn the plays.
Pull the offer from Boone, coach up Looney and Martin and hell, we’ve even still got Adam Snyder in case both Looney and Martin don’t pan out. In my opinion, even though Snyder’s a wingman, the competition along the line is between Snyder and Jonathan Martin, and Snyder wins going away. I don’t think Martin was ever a serious contender to make the roster. I think Harbaugh was rehabilitating Jonathan Martin’s career, and I believe Martin will get picked up week 1 of the NFL season by another team.
The Browns organization is the new NFL cluster fuck. It’s the worst organization, by far, in the NFL. Jerry Jones pales in comparison. First they fire Chud and Norv (and I think they even had Horton Heat) – after one year and the team looked good for a first year team. Now they dump established coordinators for Petitte and this Tebow, Manziel circus. Hoyer is clearly the start and maybe for a few years, telling Manziel to get professional. But you think Petitte (sp?) can handle all that? No chance. And now Josh Gordon isn’t trying because A.) He’s about to be suspended and B.) His coaching staff sucks. My stars. Reminds me of the team Jed York and Trent Baalke resided over pre Harbaugh.
Yeah, this was news 14 years ago when Policy and Clark were run out of town on a rail. Where’ve you been?
The Browns should change their name to the Greens and blow themselves up. New theme will be ecology. With their faces firmly planted in the turf on most plays they will be living the green approach.
Gee, Spitty, are you mezermized by the lures you supposedly use? What the fuck is the inference of signing the team-friendly deal that Kappy did in the first place? To save money? Really? That’s it?
No, the inference is they would use the money to sign Crabs and VD and whoever they deem important. Which now includes Alex Boone.
This can’t be that big a leap for you, can it? And you expect Kaepernick to come out and say, ‘Gee, I hope they use my discount to sign Crabs! Gosh, Trent! What’s for Christmas?’
No, he’s not going to presume anything where the front office is concerned. But he sure as hell won’t be very happy if he loses the very targets he was trying to keep here by signing the deal he did.
How stupid are you? Did you just fall off the turnip truck?
“Garsh! GMs lie?!?”
Mike Pettine (that’s Pet-n) is a good coach, albeit from the defensive side, so many will dismiss him out of hand. He’s getting a shot, we’ll see how he handles the job. I’d be surprised if their defense wasn’t near the top this year.
As far as the coach pushing his guys, who knows what shit the press will try to stir? They live to find a malcontent who doesn’t mind talking “off the record.” Name a source and I’ll buy in. And if true, could be that due to the CBA cutting practice opportunities, and Harbaugh doesn’t want to wait until mid-season to get his guys up to game speed. Every loss could be the one that keeps you out of post-season.
Wow. And Jonathan (self-pancake) Martin is getting glowing remarks from Harbaugh. Sounds like he’ll make the team, according to Matt the Maiocco.
Gee, let’s play ‘can you discern the subtext?’
Sorry, Spitty. This may be too advanced for you. It involves possible stretching of the truth.
Say it ain’t so..
Do you think Martin knows he just got the kiss of death there?
You mean like “Alex is our starter”?
It’ll be funny when Martin’s cut and Harbaugh’s selling / marketing machine will be obvious to everyone but Unca. Maiocco is the 49ers’ mouth piece, let’s not forget.
Remember, “Alex Smith is elite?” Remember “Clutch, CLUTCH?” These things were said publically in an attempt to rejuvenate a player’s career. And Martin’s a favorite of Harbaugh’s from Stanford who needs a pick-me-up after Incognito trashed his reputation. Think Harbaugh isn’t aware Martin needs help? Sure… there’s still a shot Martin beats-out Snyder but I see this a Harbaugh ruse. One of many.
NoFear, these things taken one at a time are not much, but the whole collection of misbegotten trades, holdouts, arrests, (impending) suspensions, grumbling, and such leads me to think either these guys are just as sick as the offseason as we all are, or there’s some shit going down behind closed doors that ain’t pretty at all.
This front office was a mess before the magic elixir of winning popped up. If the elixir wears off soon, I wonder how quickly this shit unravels. I think it gets ugly fast.
I hope we don’t find out, but like I said, this house of cards is getting closer to the hurricane, not furthur.
I don’t know, could be I guess. I tend to think it’s more likely we’ve got a few Kawakami types eager to find a chink in the armor they can exploit for a big story and get offered Yahoo or Google jobs. Or be like Florio and have their blog bought up by NBC.
Well, the point being, there’s enough of this background noise to have to have a certain amount of truth to it. Small as it may well be. Winning cures all ills, so we will see.
Another option to keep in mind for the Boone back-up committee is former Seattle castoff OG Ryan Seymour.
He’s quitely been getting the job done from what little I’ve seen thus far.
Let’s also remember that the bulk of the preseason reps have been going to the backups.
Bitching about being overworked could simply help Mgt thin the herd.
They’ve loaded a ton of reps on the LBs and DL to see who’s gonna make the grade for the rotation.
The prospect of losing Aldon and being without NaVorro leaves some pretty big shoes to fill.
Tim Ryan did make the observation on the broadcast Sunday, that the guys looked tired, making too many mental mistakes etc.
The typical dress rehearsal game is this week, when starters are normally inserted for a bigger chunk of reps.
We’ll see who they’re going to favor early on I’d guess.
It’ll also be interesting to see how Baalke/Harbaugh play the cut down game.
They could expose some higher priced guys, in an attempt to protect more of the Draftees.
If there’s a strategy to employ with Boone, you may see them wait for all the cut-downs and team shuffling to settle, just to limit his percieved options for a Trade.
That could also benefit Paraag in his negotiation efforts.
Cut off his options, squeeze The Mevis Agency at the bargaining table.
Curious to see whether CJ will get passed by.
Also, how about JMartin?
Does he get retained or can he replace Snyder?
Have to assume Snyder has a larger Contract hit to the Cap but, how close are they really, in terms of ability?
JMartin hasn’t looked like a world-beater by any stretch.
I’d take Harbaughs’ gushing with a grain of salt too.
Might have to pass up the Trade idea of LMJ to Philly.
Chip just grabbed another former Duck from Carolina, RB Kenjon Barner.
Word is the Niners and Crabs are moving closer to a contract extension. One that is incentive based. That’s the word, anyway.
I figured him to be a holdout candidate as well.
Spitty, I didn’t know you were moonlighting as a TV commercial personality.
Thanks Cap’t. Obvious.
Watched the game again last night on the NFL Network. Here are some thoughts.
The right side of our offensive line didn’t get tested much. Never really saw any breakdowns in protection or blocking assignments. Hard to say from just watching the game without the ability to rewind, but the line looked good….. without Boone.
In the battle between Wilhoite, Borland and Moody, I think Nick Moody is the most athletic, but might be the least cerebral. Moody’s the best blitzer of the three. Borland’s the best run defender. Wilhoite has the most knowledge of the system. I think Wilhoite will start but Moody and Borland are better athletes. Don’t know if Moody will ever be smart enough to start at the position and not make mental errors, but he’s my favorite athletically. I could see Fangio bringing Moody in on 3rd down to blitz, but eventually teams realizing that’s his role.
Regarding the backend of our defense…. our secondary is way, way too light. There are no hitters in the backfield and nobody intimidating or dominant. They all appear to be smart guys who can cover and play run defense, but intimidate you from going over the middle, or knock the ball loose? I don’t think so. This is a problem. The 49ers have gone from the two hardest hitting safeties in the game in Goldson and Whitner to two of the softest in Reid and Bathea. The 49ers will have problems with players, especially bigger players, running over them.
Listened to Jed York talk about the stadium and Jim Harbaugh coaching up Blaine Gabbert like he did Alex Smith. I hate Jed York. What a tool. He recognizes that Jim can develop quaterbacks better than any other coach in the league, but won’t pay him. I have to laugh. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Jed York is about to get slaughtered. Especially with that mortgage and Jim Tomsula on the horizon. Levi stadium will be a ghost town in four years.
Now the NFL wants musicians to pay to perform during halftime. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
Got to say that is the most ridiculous thing to come out of the NFL in a while.
I have one thing to say to that:
Up With People!
What are you basing this ‘Jed won’t pay Jim’ sentiment? Yeah, he wanted the extension before he signed his original deal, but rave on.
Whatever is going to happen is going to happen this offseason, but you are villifying Jed for something that isn’t an issue yet? Good for you. Whatever gets you through the lonely days in the sticks.
Waffle Barn is down the street.
Your game of picking fights to get blog hits is sooooo tiresome. But… at least you aren’t a liar.
Picking fights? Right. I’m just curous to see why you villify the owner for something that is happening 9 month in the future.
Why overpay him now when they can wait and se if he delilvers the goods this year?
One word: Resentment. And don’t someone say…. “He signed a contract, blah, blah, blah.” Like Alex Boone, Harbaugh has far over-exceeded his pay. You’ll never see resentment in Harbaugh’s face or in his interviews, but it’s a very real possibility. If you exploit someone, resentment naturally follows. After resentment sets in, it’s hard to work together.
I vilify Jed York because he’s not smart enough to understand what I’m talking about, or the potential hazards. Naturally the front office lovers on this blog will downplay this angle, but they’re company men through and through.
Two words why I believe Harbaugh should be paid whatever he wants: Paul Brown.
Harbaugh got $5 mill a year never having coached ONE NFL game.
That’s great the first year. So what about these last two years?
So you are advocating renegotiating a 5 year deal after one year? Brilliant. Why not go game by game? Boldin should have gotten a raise after his first game here.
There’s a sound business strategy. Welcome to anarchy.
Harbaugh began re-negotiating after his second year of 5
“Welcome to anarchy” but you have no problem negotiating with Boone? Do you see the inconsistency? These reason are why I vilify the front office and Jed York.
Harbaugh clearly wants more. Jed won’t give it to him and Jed runs the risk of losing the best thing that’s ever landed in his lap… including his wife.
What’s the answer then?
You can negotiate or ignore him.
Which is worse?
Boone gets squat for sitting out, other than watching his salary evaporate with fines.
Frank did the holdout thing under the previous CBA.
He came in, he got paid.
Boone can do that too.
There’s no indication that the team doesn’t want to work this out.
Remember that word leverage?
Harbaugh and Jed have been working toward an extension too.
Tabled until after the Season of course.
Maiocco reports team has no interest in dealing him either.
If true, it’s the perfect answer to the process.
Sit on the sofa and lose your salary, or, come in and work this out.
If he’s hell bent on forcing a deal, they’re suggesting he won’t get one.
That says 2 things, we can extend you at the right price or, you lose.
Forcing a Trade, not a deal.
From what Maiocco wrote the sticking point is the team is only adding money and term after his current 2 years expire. Boone gets $2m this year and $1,2m next year. An average of $1,6m per year. No big shock he wants that addressing.
Soap signed with Arizona
12th. Harbaugh isn’t holding out. Both sides have discussed Harbaugh’s extension. They haven’t reached common ground, and have decided to shelf it til after the season. Spit, your beef is what, now? That they are negotiating with a player re a holdout? You have rocks in your head. They should ignore him?
He’s under contract for 2 more years. It won’t kill or hurt the Niners to try and work something out. It also won’t kill them to let him fester on the sidelines, or on his couch. Boone is going all-in with this. To the detriment of himself and no one else. Is the team weaker without him? Sure. But he’s not someone who can’t be replaced.
In the end, VD did the right thing and came back to the team.
“He’s not someone who can’t be replaced.” Bullshit. He’s exactly that guy.
He’s a guard.
I thought you were talking about Harbaugh. Didn’t see you slid Boone into the conversation.
According to some arcane article regarding the penalties Boone faces, we get this interesting tidbit:
Emphasis mine. I’ve read differing things regarding Boone’s free agency year and when he needs to report. I’ve also read he needs to play at least 6 (or 8) games to keep his free agency intact, so I ain’t exactly clear on this, but if he’s already lost a year toward free agency, he’s screwing up big time. Beyond the money he’s currently losing..
The last holdout that was really public that I can remember was Vincent Jackson’s holdout when he was with the Chargers about five years ago. Jackson stated very blatantly he’d be back for week 10, and that’s consistent with Unca’s statement that Boone would need to play 6 games. As long as the rules haven’t changed since Vincent Jackson, Boone will be back week 10 – unless he’s a complete idiot. My question is do you start him then? I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t even let him suit up. But then again, I don’t know how our replacements will play and how healthy we’ll be along the line. But if I’m the coach, and we’re in decent shape, Boone’s in ostracized street clothing week 10. And that’s why, with a myriad of other reasons, I’m not the coach. Coaches can’t afford to be Al Davis spiteful. Bloggers on the other hand….
Yes, the rules have changed, but I’ve read 3 different scenarios re Boone’s holdout. I don’t think he’s lost his eligibility, but I did read he had to show up by Aug 5th or lose this year. I’ve also seen 6 and 8 games that he needs to play to have this year count.
Thing is, if his agents are giving him bad, or no, info (a la Tarell Brown last year), he stands to be fucked.
Rules have changed. I read somewhere Boone has 15 days left to report or he loses this years eligibility.
It’s why I said I expect a deal gets done this week or next or Boone screws himself even more.
Not sure why you aimed the comment at Harbaugh to me Chuck. I just pointed out he tried to negotiate a new deal after 2 years of his 5 year contract. Obviously he isn’t holding out. Heck of an example he set there for his players BTW.
As far as Boone goes, he has no other tool to use to try to get a better contract since Paraag has only offered to add on to his existing contract. If Boone feels aggrieved with his current contract and feels he can’t play at that level of compensation, he has no other recourse than to hold out. Not a tactic I like but I understand it.
Spitty, although you keep hammering Baalke not to negotiate with Boone until he returns, firstly you are amazingly unworldly and naive to think that way and secondly it is nothing to do with Baalke regarding the level of compensation a contract is written for. That’s Paragg you need to address it too, he negotiates all the contracts. At least know something about the front office structure you keep saying sucks.
Just pointing out the difference. If anything should be held to the light of explaining why all these guys are dissatisfied with their deals, they can point to ol’ Jimbo and his wrangling with the suits.
Who’s naive? Paraage negotiates the contracts but the GM, Trent Baalke, sets the dollar amounts for each position and unit – managing the cap. The GM isn’t all talent evaluation and acquisition. The GM’s also involved with finance.
If I have leverage — which the 49ers do — I don’t negotiate with a holdout, period. And what I mean by leverage is that there isn’t much drop -from holdout to replacement. That remains to be seen, but with Looney, Snyder and Martin (twice) the 49ers have options. And let’s not forget, Jim Harbaugh took the 49ers to the NFC Championship with Chilo Rachal and Alex Smith. Granted… Chilo didn’t stick around long, but point being that Alex Boone isn’t crucial so you don’t make a crucial mistake of opening up a can of worms creating a precedent that could bite the Niners in the ass… not over a guard. QB? Yes. Guard – that’s a huge mistake.
I don’t equate VD with Boone. One is a massive egotist who was drafted very highly and got paid accordingly and was paid the highest at his position when his first contract ended. His attempt to get another premature big pay day is ugly and greedy.
Boone struggled to make the team, got paid at backup RG level compensation, heavily outplayed that contract and played at a pro bowl level and given his talent level is afraid to keep playing at an estimated $3.5 m per year discount, a srious injury, of which this team has many examples, and he may never get paid at the level his skills justify.
Maiocco suggests Boone would come in for $5m per year which is around 12th highest paid RG. Not asking for the moon, just fair compensation for his proven talent level. Paraag has chosen not to make that type of deal instead forcing Boone to finish out his backup level contract.
As a general rule I agree with that stance, but I think this is an instance where some give and take is in order. I have no idea how the Mevis agency approached the Niners but history suggests it was heavy handed in which case both sides will dig in.
It’s unfortunate because I feel Boone is deserving but ultimately Boone has no real power to force a change. The team decides how, when and if they raise his pay. All he can do is withhold his services in order to put some measure of pressure and to make clear his displeasure with his contract.
I still figure it gets resolved in the next week or so. If not then Boone should fire his agents because they will have cost him significantly more than lost pay.
Chris Johnson held out, got his payday, and immediately sucked after that.
I wish I knew for certain when Boone would lose his year due to not showing up. Regardless, he’s getting fined up the wazoo. When he starts missing games, that’s when it’ll be very ugly.
Strange is Boone hasn’t said a peep through all this.
What the deal with the stadium grass, Chuck. They played a game on it, no worries. Then, they practice in front of fans, and divots galore, the team leaves to avoid injury. WTF? This grass was supposed to be specially grown for the microclimate, for pete’s sake. Did they forget that 300# men were going to play football on it? How do you fix grass in 3 days before the next game, or if it’s really messed up, can you resod a whole field in between games without a disaster?
Yeah, I heard something about that this morning. And I did see people at halftime walking the field and replacing divots. Nothing looked bad at all though.
Hard to understand wtf happened between now and then. Beyond that, they are playing this Sunday? It ain’t like the grass is going to magically root itself firm in 3 days.
Just saw this:
Wow, that grass is amazingly torn up after such sparse use. It’s been planted since April, so it should have been fully rooted long ago. Major F up. I imagine there’s been some meetings with the turf company and installers with a lot of yelling. Lawyers getting involved about grass is usually in criminal court, not re: the gridiron…
Who was the old turf guru. Toma? Shit, that turf was underwater half the time and it held up better than this stuff.