On the Hunt

After an unusual flurry of activity in the free agent drowning pool, the search for a speed wide receiver has reached a lull. Emmanuel Sanders agent burned some bridges after his agent promised KC he would sign with them while working out a deal with the Broncos as he told the Niners his client was on his way for a meet-n-greet.

Julian Edelson used the Niners as a bit of leverage as he sought to return to the Pats, and Brandon LaFell signed with the Pats as well. As did most of the sought-after guys like Eric Decker, Jeremy Maclin, Dexter McCluster, and Golden Tate.

Who’s left? Beyond Devin Hester and troubled and inconsistent Kenny Britt, it’s a who’s who of who? Sindney Rice, Santonio Holmes, and Jason Avant are names, but but their bodies have betrayed them. The rest are low risk-low reward types.

Hey Michael Spurlock is available.

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130 Responses to On the Hunt

  1. unca_chuck says:

    Don’t know if everyone caught the footage of Jim Harbaugh working out our possible next nose tackle.

  2. unca_chuck says:

    May have posted this already, but tough shit. This is one of my favorite Skynyrd songs.

    My daddy told me a long time ago
    There’s two things son
    Two things you should know
    And in these two things you must take pride
    That’s a horse and woman, yeah
    Well, both of them you ride
    Listen, sister

  3. snarkk says:

    What about Patton? This guy to me is an unknown after a year in the fold. The foot injury basically kept him off the radar for the whole season, the last 2 or 3 games where he played some didn’t mean much either way, IMO. I don’t have a clue whether this guy will be a contributor. All I know is he’s not a burner, and for the umpteenth time, the Niners need one…

    • 12th man says:

      Yeah I’m interested to see what Patton has. I was unimpressed with Baldwin who seem’s to have all the tools but is not effective. Agree they need a burner but not just as a decoy.

  4. snarkk says:

    Colts owner Irsay busted for DUI and drugs. What’s Goody going to do to punish one of his employers?…

  5. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I saw that. The dude’s pretty nutty. For a team owner.

    Patton made a couple nice catches, once he got on the field. There is a bit of guarded hope there. With the inactivity around free agent WRs not named Anquan Boldin, it sure doesn’t look like they are deperately seeking a WR. This likely trickles to the draft.

    They keep saying BPA BPA BPA, but I’m getting more and more convinced they are going CB in the 1st.

  6. NoFear49er says:

    The trick would be to duplicate their draft board. Contrary to popular belief it’s not just Baalke sitting in a sound-proof and secure under-ground bunker making picks. Even still, the teams picking before do unpredictable things and teams call and are called for various pick options.

    With the way they’ve countered losses of vets in FA it’s hard to think they will let a guy they’ve graded as a first rounder sit while they pick a CB rated as a 2nd rounder.

    I guess it’s always BPA if you let the team decide what best is, Kiper’s slotting notwithstanding.

  7. unca_chuck says:

    Contrary to popular belief, no one here really subscribes to popular belief.

    BPA always? Well, no. Last year their obvious need was a free safety. They traded up and got their guy. Was he BPA? No. BPA for them? Sure. Splitting hairs? I don’t know. Who was the GM who railed on Mel Kiper? That was too funny. Was it Bill Polian?

    I mean, I’d love for them to get Justin Gilbert, and if he falls to 15-16, I’d think they’d make a big push for him like last year’s move for Reid. But I think he goes way before we even have a shot. On top of that is Carolina has already said they are looking to draft a CB 2 spots in front of them. Maybe they move up to get Kyle Fuller or Dennard.

    If they are all gone, do they swoop down on Odell Beckham if there? Sure. That’s a BPA move for their need.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Ahhh, it was Bill Tobin of the Colts. Can’t seem to find the original video.

  9. Alleykat says:

    Could see the Niners takin NT Louis Nix. Hell of a run stopper, 2 gap specialist with 331 pounds of beef at 6’2 that teams might have to double team at the point of attack, won’t get sacks, but he will free up our other rushers.

  10. 12th man says:

    BPA works best when a team has a number of needs. The Niners have very limited needs to they take BPA for a position of need. WR, CB. If something crazy happened and Nix really slid down the board they probably grab him since CB and WR has a lot of depth. Safety is not a position of need exactly since they took Bethea but it is a future need.

    My 2c

  11. snarkk says:

    I always laugh at the BPA argument. If the Niners were on the clock when they had Montana and Young, if the best player available were a QB, would they take the QB? Hell no, they didn’t need a third great QB. You take the BPA for the need you have…

  12. snarkk says:

    I just looked at the Niner picks order, hadn’t really paid that much attention before. After the 30th in the 1st round, they’ve got a real cluster of picks: 56, 61, 77, 94. That’s a darn good series of high picks. If they don’t trade up using one or more, that string of picks should generate some really good players. After Rogers’ salary comes of in June, they’ll have slightly over $10.3M in salary cap room to work…

    • 12th man says:

      And that’s if they don’t rework Gore’s contract.

      • NJ49er says:

        12th –
        From the last thread, I wanted to thank you for the kind words relative to the Draft research I do.
        My oldest Son and I have been doing our ‘Scouting’ together since he was under the age of 10. It’s a 20+ year process of player education for us.
        Kind of an addiction for us, but I find it enjoyable.
        Appreciate the support you offered.

        Apologies for the sh!t-fest that ensued as well.
        Not my nature to play gutter-ball as it were.

      • 12th man says:

        NJ,
        not kind words, just reality. I don’t always agree with you just as I don’t always agree with anybody else but I can appreciate a supported argument even if I don’t agree with it.
        Nothing to apologize about, just the day to day blogging and it beats the heck out of going dormant till the draft.

      • NJ49er says:

        That’s rality is right 12th.
        No one agrees about everything.
        It’s football. Nothing is etched in stone in that regard.
        We all have our opinions.
        Thanks just the same.

      • 12th man says:

        NJ sometimes it takes a fellow blogger to point out the simple truth. I can’t presume to speak for everyone else but I figure most appreciate you and your sons efforts. And your welcome.

      • Yep appreciation NJ (& 12). Good having yer input around here

  13. Spitblood says:

    Ban me? BAN ME? Who do you think you are, Chuckles? You can’t ban the greatest blogger of all time (actually, you can… it’s happened several times). But there’s nothing more fun than messing with people on the blogs from time to time, and NJ has been my latest toy to play with. But I should apologize to the guy. NJ, I apologize, for what it’s worth. I enjoy the back and forth of a good insult tirade a little too much every so often.

    As for 12th saying I should be a politician and that my facts don’t add up: I take umbrage with this. Deep and severe umbragement. First off, the only way I could be a politician would be if they made it unconstitutional to put a candidate through the vetting process. No vetting, I’m in. Vetting, I’m an easy target. And this may appear transparent, but who the hell would want to be a career politician anyway? That’s not for me at all. I can kiss a baby or two, but all the back office deals and corruption and favors? That would be trying to say the least. I’d last, but I’d hate it.

    But the heart of what 12th is saying I still take severe umbragement with. Umbragement is not a word, but it should be, anyway. My philosophies are pretty solid. Sometimes I use, admittedly, a little to much hyperbole, and that can lead to me getting trapped in a corner and having to rely on flimsy facts to support my overall philosophy, but my best defense is the old saying, “The ends justify the means.”

    I still strongly believe, all hyperbole aside, that the 49ers need a stronger backfield to get the passing game going, and they need another rookie safety (preferably a first rounder). I also believe we need a deep threat receiver but that we can find one in the later rounds. Speed is preferable, but if speed isn’t available at the receiver position in the later rounds, just find a guy who can make big plays down field. The treat of a big play receiver, regardless of speed, can take the top off the defense. Go Niners!

    • NJ49er says:

      Spit I can handle debates of any sort related to our 9ers.
      I’ve been a lone wolf 9er fan in the middle of NY and Philly for 30 years.
      NYJ/NYG Eagles fans are everywhere out here in my area.
      I exchange less sh!t with them, then you and I have exchanged here, over the past several nights.

      I just find it inexcuseable to hurl personal insults at one another, relative to the topic of the team we all support here.

      No apology necessary, just keep it civil, bring your viewpoints and, we all might learn something together.

      On topic, I happened to agree with your assessment regarding Calvin Pryor, as being a good fit for us, as we do interchange our Safeties.
      My debate was more about whether Pryor would be available to us at Pick 30.

      I enjoy the Draft process as a way to predict what our GMs have had in mind over the years.
      Allows me to learn more about the guys that I don’t often get to see at the College level as well.

      I’m open to share input on the guys we might add to the Roster in May and, hope this isn’t the beginning of an open fued over who’s right or wrong.
      It’s a guessing game for all of us.

      In the end, Baalke/Harbaugh are the guys living with the selection process.
      We just play along from the sidelines.

    • 12th man says:

      Spit I have nothing against you and I think you know that. Your stuff is pretty funny and the lengths you go to to try to prove your points is funny too. IMO a few of your theories hold some water but most are black helicopter conspiracy type theories.
      Enjoyable just the same but not to be taken seriously. Like I said on the last thread ” For entertainment purposes only”
      I was happy to see you acknowledge going too far with NJ, we do have to have some personal boundaries if the intent is to really discuss our team.

      Baalke is the shit by the way, top 5 GM IMO.

      • Spitblood says:

        What black helicopters? There were black helicopters in “Black Hawk Down.” There were black helicopters in the raid on Osama’s compound in Pakistan. One had to be destroyed. Seems to me black helicopters are legit and effective. Except, of course, for the one that crashed on the dark side of the moon in 2004, searching for Saddam’s WMDs. You didn’t hear about that? Of course you didn’t.

      • Spitblood says:

        I thought about the black helicopters and didn’t know what the heck you were talking about until just now. You’re referring to my claim that Jim Harbaugh’s agent leaked the story to the press about the Browns offering picks for Jim’s services. Those are your black helicopters. You’re still bitter that I said the story had no legs and that the real issue was Jim’s contract? 12th – Do you hold grudges? I sure hope so. It’ll make it easier to screw with you.

      • 12th man says:

        OK but remember you asked.
        Bitter grudges? The black helicopter references are for people who have paranoid tendencies. What I’m getting at is you take a position on something, then extrapolate like crazy (if this means x then that means y) and cobble together a story line to support your original point largely out of nothing but it sounds pseudo plausible so you run with it and cap it off by repeating whatever conclusion you managed to draw from the rambling. A lie often repeated becomes the truth is an old adage but a true one.
        Baalke sucks, Baalke sucks, Baalke sucks becomes the defacto starting point in any future disagreement.

        That is the stuff I find entertaining, watching you twist and turn the argument to something you can hammer effectively, a concise message.
        As a career, politician would be good for you, reality should never get in the way of the message.

        I’m stretching to make the point of course, sometimes you stay on solid ground making your points, but especially at night you tend toward belittling whoever is disagreeing with you. If that doesn’t work it trends to personal attacks.

        For all of that I think you mostly have a good blend of real conversations and entertainment ones and add more than you detract from the blog. I’m sure people get sick of my stuff too.

        Just my own thoughts, take from them what you will.

  14. NJ49er says:

    I’ll say this, with the endless opinions about the Draft prognostications out there, Kiper has gone so far as to leave NT Louis Nix out of the 1st RD in his most curent Mock.
    Completey absurd IMO, but, I’ve always lobbied for the Fat Man in the Middle.
    Would love to have a shot at him at Pick 30.
    I’d find it highly unlikely that Pittsburgh/Chicago/Pats would pass him up though.

    One thing that would certainly help our revamped Secondary is an improved pass rush.

    I’m all for taking the BPA at 30 between WR or DB.

    Guys like Nix, Shazier or, another surprise talent that descends, could always change the Board too.
    It’s a fast moving game of ‘slotting talent’ for the GMs.
    Maiocco has posted an opinion regarding CB Jason Verrett.
    He’s a small guy but, not a terrible option for the Slot duties I guess?
    With Harvin and Austin to contend with, it’s certainly not a ridiculous assessment.
    I’d lean more toward Kyle Fuller from VA Tech if it came to a toss up between them.
    Fuller is taller and equally as fast.

  15. We’re now just a quarter past nine, and I can’t find a single “Happy St. Patrick’s Day” from the lot of you. That’s not only rude and disrespectful, it’s a downright slap in the face to the patron saint of Ireland, all the Irish drunks who follow in his footsteps. And you need look no further to find the one chief among them.

    You think my God-given middle of Patrick just so happens to be a coincidence? Think again. They say St. Patrick drove all the snakes out of Ireland. Well, I’m living proof that he missed one.

    Happy St. Patrick’s Day. You fucking mooks.

    • 12th man says:

      When visiting Ireland many moons ago during St Patricks Day I was having a drink or 2 with the distant relatives I was with at the time and we got into a discussion of Paddy’s Day to which they told me to ” Feck off with with that American shite”. No green rivers to be found over there, at least not then.

      Happy Paddy’s Day Del you old sott!

    • NJ49er says:

      Right back at you Dennis –
      Thanks for the well wishes……Erin go bragh

    • rtfirefly says:

      With my name Patrick, I don’t bother wearing green. Good way to meet ladies.

    • rtfirefly says:

      We were planning a party for everyone in New Mexico of Irish descent but the guy couldn’t clean up his living room in time.

  16. And for the love of all the pretty freckles that rest upon the milky-white skin of every Irish “Colleen ” 18-year-old redhead throughout the land…stop with the WR in the 1st rd nonsense. I’ve explained it countless times as to why it makes zero sense for any NFL team to use their first selection on a wideout. Let alone the team who not only attempts the fewest passes, but can’t even develop and best utilize the WRs they’ve been drafting for years on out now.

    Just say no to WRs in the 1st rd, and yes to 18-year-old redheads with freckles.

    • NJ49er says:

      I’d break that rule for Odell Beckham Del –
      Possibly Cooks or Marquise Lee should he fall through.
      We need a speed guy with some big-play ability.
      We’ll see what the Draft Board holds for us.
      Lots of depth at the WR position so, there’s no need to reach in RD1.

      I sent this to my Son last night, for a good depiciton of our history, related to the WR position – I took it back to Dwight Clark.

      • NJ49er says:

        2013 RD4 Pick 128 Quinton Patton
        2012 RD1 Pick 30 AJ Jenkins
        2011 RD6 Pick 182 Ronald Johnson
        2010 RD6 Pick 206 Kyle Williams
        2009 RD1 Pick 10 Michael Crabtree
        2008 RD6 Pick 174 Josh Morgan
        2007 RD3 Pick 76 Jason Hill
        2006 RD3 Pick 84 Brandon Williams / RD6 Pick 175 Delanie Walker
        2005 RD5 Pick 174 Rasheed Marshall / RD7 Pick 223 Marcus Maxwell
        2004 RD1 Pick 31 Rashaun Woods / RD3 Pick 77 Derrick Hamilton
        2003 RD4 Pick 124 Brandon Lloyd / RD6 Pick 197 Arnaz Battle
        2001 RD6 Pick 169 Cedrick Wilson
        1999 RD6 Pick 171 Tai Streets
        1998 RD7 Pick 215 Ryan Thelwell
        1996 RD3 Pick 89 Terrell Owens / RD5 Pick 160 Iheanyi Uwaezukoe
        1995 RD1 Pick 10 JJ Stokes
        1994 RD3 Pick 87 Cory Flrming
        1992 RD9 Pick 242 Darian Hagan
        1991 RD8 Pick 221 Tony Hargain / RD11 Pick 304 Bobby Slaughter
        1990 RD3 Pick 68 Ron Lewis / RD8 Pick 220 Dwight Pickens
        1989 RD4 Pick 112 Mike Barber / RD11 Pick 307 Norm McGee
        1987 RD5 Pick 134 Paul Jokisch / RD11 Pick 301 Calvin Nicholas
        1986 RD3 Pick 76 John Taylor / RD10 Pick 267 Elliston Stinson
        1985 RD1 Pick 16 Jerry Rice
        1984 RD1 Pick 24 Derrick Crawford / RD10 Pick 275 Dave Moritz / RD11 Pick 304 Kirk Pendleton
        1979 RD2 Pick 29 James Owens / RD10 Pick 249 Dwight Clark

      • NJ49er says:

        Gives you a pretty good indication about just how much of a crap shoot it is with the WR position –
        Short of Jerry, there’s been Decades of nobody’s paraded through SF –

      • 12th man says:

        With few notable exceptions that is a lot of futility.

      • NJ49er says:

        Precisely 12th –
        No arguing Taylor, Owens, Clark and several others of course.

        But, as far as hitting on a HOF talent at that position, it’s a VERY longshot.
        My Son is leaning toward D with Pick 30.
        As would I right now, with those options at WR I posited above.

      • NJ49er says:

        You don’t mind blowing a Mid to Late RD Pick there but, you can see how rarely a late RD guy beats the odds.
        As with Rashaun Woods and AJJ for example, even late RD1 guys face long odds.

      • For every Jerry Rice, there’s five A.J. Jenkins. The WR position is, and always has been too volatile. Add the “diva” concept that has reared its ugly head recently, and drafting a WR with your first selection has many more pitfalls then it has blessings and the good luck potential of the Irish and St. Patrick.

      • As much as I scream “throw the goddamn ball!” and “Manning this. Manning that.” I’ve always been a defensive guy at heart. I think you guys know that. If Louis Nix is still available at 30, I’ll run cross country to Radio City Music Hall in NYC and hand the card to the commissioner myself.

        I’ll never be upset with drafting D first overall. May not be the guy I wanted, but I back the philosophy 100%

      • Spitblood says:

        I can pick wide receivers. I never bust. You need to listen to me. I can scout wide receiver talent. Here’s a list of past Spitblood receivers wanted.

        1.) Ruben Randle ( came on nicely last year on a bad football team)
        2.) Alshon Jeffrey (simply the man)
        3.) Mohammed Sanu (could have a great second half to his career if he ever leaves Cinci)
        4.) Aaron Dobson (the most suspect addition to my list)

        Keep in mind, I’m not picking first round blue chippers. That’s easier. I’m slotting these guys pre draft as late first, early second or beyond.

        You may laugh at Mohammed Sanu, but you shouldn’t. He’s got the worst qb in the NFL throwing him the football in Andy Dalton, and Sanu still makes plays. Give him a good qb, and Sanu would be more of a star, with better stats. The Red Rifle sucks worse than Trent Baalke. And things are going to get worse for Sanu now that Gruden’s gone.

      • NJ49er says:

        I liked Sanu as well Spit, saw him play on many occassions here at Rutgers.
        Only concerns I had with him was his Draft slot.
        He’s a baller.
        Another Rutgers guy coming out that you brought up the other day is Coleman.
        Big kid too.
        Not very fast but, he’s worth consideration at the right slot.
        Only knock I’d have with him is, he’s a body-catcher and, could stand to be more physical for his size.
        Still wouldn’t be a bad option.

  17. NJ49er says:

    If we miss onOdell, his teammate, Jarvis Landry was an impressive option but, he flat out stunk it up in Indy, 40-wise.
    I still have high hopes for a shot at Donte Moncrief.
    Big body, 4.4 speed too.
    Hoping he lasts until RD2 for us.

  18. NJ49er says:

    I just hope StL doesn’t get Sammy Watkins.
    Go somewhere else.

  19. Spitblood says:

    If I was Jim Irsay, I’d hold a two word press conference tonight. “I’m Irish.” It would make people laugh, and he’d be able to party for a few more years before the cops hauled all his shit away.

  20. NJ49er says:

    Here’s a possible consideration for the Slot WR duties – Could be had later too.
    Smaller guy but very productive at Baylor –

    Tevin Reese – 5’10-1/2″ 163 4.46 40 3100+ yds and 24TDs.
    Be nice if handled KR duties – Haven’t found any info on that.

    • NJ49er says:

      Three-time All-Big 12 honoree and one of most prolific receivers in school history… Left school ranked third all-time in career receptions (187), yards (3,102) and TDs (24)… Set NCAA and Big 12 record for career TDs of 40-plus yards in BCS era with 21…2014 NFL Scouting Combine invitee… Invited to 2013 Senior Bowl, did not compete due to injury… Member of senior class that played in four straight bowl games for first time in school history and earned program’s first Big 12 Championship and BCS Bowl berth in 2013… Speedy, elusive deep threat receiver, played 48 career game, made 31 starts… Displayed big-play explosiveness, 21 of 24 career TD catches were of 40-plus yards, averaged 50.6 yards on 24 career TDs… Had nine career touchdowns of 60 yards or longer… Semifinalist for 2013 Earl Campbell Tyler Rose Award… Had 30-game reception streak spanning 2010, 2011 and 2012 seasons (ended vs. OU, 2012)… Career marks for yards-per-game (64.63, third all-time) and yards-per-catch (16.59, sixth all-time) rank in Baylor top 10… Named 2013 first-team All-Big 12 by league coaches (played nine-game injury-shortened season)… Timed at 4.31 in 40-yard dash… Vertical jump measured at 45.5 inches, broad jump at 11 feet, 5 inches… Ran for BU track and field squad early in collegiate career… Receiver on USA Football junior national team in summer 2009 (played with eventual Baylor teammate Bryce Petty)… Nicknamed “Sweet Feet.”

      • NJ49er says:

        Little dude turned in the best Vert in Indy at 41″ and the longest Broad jump 11′
        Here’s a kid with Deep Threat written on the back of his jersey.

        Track background too.

      • NJ49er says:

        In the WR Group that is –

  21. Black helicopters? In the hinterland? No but here’s Grant Conehead wanting us to trade up and grab either Justin Gilbert from Oklahoma State, and Darqueze Dennard from Michigan State.

    http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/corner-market/

    Oh and while we’re at it trade up and grab Jordan Matthews in the second. Hell Spitwad is better than Lynch and both Coneheads.

  22. But he has no monopoly on helicopters. Here’s why = my theory is that Balky was spooked into going wild on first day of FA Because we (I) were vilifying him right here calling him nasty names like “Balky” and “Jeds stooge”. So to avoid the wrath of outraged fans he showed us on first day FA he ain’t balky. (To be slightly more realistic Mr Baalke was used as a way to malign our dear HC who ‘wants to take over half his job’- the easy half, lol). Suspect that’s Jedis work…

    Is that helicopter black enough fer ya?

  23. 10man @ Niners Nation agrees w/ many here = we’ll take CB before WR:

    “With a little under $4M left in cap space, I don’t see the team going after any more free agent signings to fill secondary spots. It’s quite clear that this will be addressed in the draft and most likely it will be addressed in the first or second day. Many of us want to see the 49ers take a speedy WR with the first pick, but given the depth of the WR class, I would not be surprised to see Baalke take a CB with the first pick.”

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/3/18/5521302/golden-nuggets-the-secondary-comes-first

    • Maiocco is quoting an “unidentified flying source” (it’s Mr Balky) that Culliver is likely to have his contract extended ‘this off season’. He must be getting good and healthy w/ Niners set to promote another CB from within. That’s good news

  24. 12th man says:

    I had 2 problems with last years draft that are tied together. Too many injured picks and not enough picks able to contribute. No high round CB pick, which I complained about loudly at the time and which is still a pressing need this year.

    When we started talking about first round pick this year I have stuck with my position that CB is where they should go. If a great prospect like Nix slid down the board I would adjust to that but all things being equal if the CB is there when they pick, either by moving up or staying pat, I would choose that position first.

    The back 4 has not been that good when it counts. Statistically good and in general good but when really needed they have had big let downs because there was no elite player back there and only Reid, who played as a rookie, has the look of someone who could be elite.
    I do like Culliver as a CB. He could develop into an elite CB I think. Brock is ok same with Bethea but in this passing league you really need at least 1 great CB.

    • Yep and that 2013 draft on top of the lousy ’12 hurts us: injured players for sure and ironically Douche Jr was yapping about our not taking a CB last year too 12. So he’s ripping Chuck off and you too? But let’s get our CB this year first off, agree. We’re not good enough to be consistently shut down as in the NFCCG vs Sea, ugh. Couple long bomb prayers from Wilson did us in. Our guys snoozing or out played…

      Last year was tough = we’re not deep enough in elite players on O or D to lose a Crab or a Cully and it cost us when they went down. Luckily lots to choose from in CBs, DBs, WRs this year.

      Go get ’em Trent.

  25. Nipper says:

    Remember Gentlemen never get too friendly nothing is worse for a blog than a bunch of guys who like each other. These blogs get to be one big sewing circle of bowing and scraping. Guys lose their edge and feuds disappear into mutual admiration. As for flying objects, these new drones that are coming show real promise of attacking one’s enemies real good.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Douchebag Jr, (Cohn) is reading my shit. I picked those 2 very guys (Gilbert and Dennard) as targets to draft yesterday morning.

    I’m all for black helicopters and shit, but that is a little too coincidental.

    Fucking hack.

  27. unca_chuck says:

    The good new is, one of these guys (Gilbert/Dennard at CB, Nix at DT, Beckham at WR) should be there when we draft.

    Still and all, they have a ton of picks to deal to go up like they did to get Reid. Like GIlbert at 16.

    • Yeah we need elite/very good players to get us over the top and not a bunch of 6-7th rounders who won’t be on the squad = package ’em and move up fer some talented DBs & Wrs

  28. unca_chuck says:

    Last year’s draft? Well, they are a bunch of value picks that may or may not work out. Lattimore could be the next Gore, or he may not ever see the field. Dial played some limited minutes last year. Carradine didn’t see the field IIRC. Lemonyay had some decent plays amongst the few times he was out there. V McD and Patton contributed, but not nearly as much as expected. Both missed time due to injuries, but they jury is out on them. Cooper and the BJ are gone. Bykowski? Who knows?

  29. 12th man says:

    Niners and Pats calling the Eagles about DeSean Jackson according to this:
    http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/source-eagles-want-least-3rd-round-pick-desean-jackson

  30. unca_chuck says:

    $10 mill? Fuck that 30 times. No fucking way. They do this, I’ll be riding Baalke harder than Spitty.

    No way on God’s green earth do we take this headache.

    • We sign DeSean J you can kiss good-bye to Crabtree unless we dump DJ after winning the SuperBowl this year. Doesn’t seem to be the way we do business tho. Hopefully nothing comes of this

    • 12th man says:

      This guy had a monster season last year, 1300 yds and 9 TD. He is expensive but his contract is not guaranteed so it would be a one year deal. Add Jackson to Boldin, Crabs, VD and Patton makes for a very formidable offense. Long term I don’t see it but to get past the Squawks they need firepower.
      Deion was no less a headcase that they rented for 1 year and it paid off.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Not even close. Deion was actually a great teammate. Plus, he was head an shoulders above every other corner in the game.

        I never liked his schtick, but he was always loved by his teammates. DSJ has complained about every contract he signs, and threatens a holdout at every turn. He drops passes, ands he’ll cost a fortune. Fuck him.

      • 12th man says:

        Don’t know anything about how good a teammate Jackson is or isn’t but with all those dropped passes he caught 82 for 1332. I don’t like the guys schtick but him renegotiating is not part of the equation in a trade with no guaranteed money. I believe Deion was the first player to get 1 mil per year. Jackson is not THE most expensive WR in the game but he is expensive, he is also explosive and productive.
        On the O side I feel a big time WR is what they need to put them over the top. On D it is a big time CB. They have tinkered with “passed their sell by date” big time WR like Moss. I would seriously look at all the angles if Jackson can be had for a 3rd.

        The rest of the team is good enough right now. Want to win a SB? These are sometimes the kinds of moves that may make the difference and it did before.

  31. NJ49er says:

    The only team I see as a possible Trade partner before Pick 20 is Miami.
    Most of the top half Teams’ needs are pretty well defined and, the positions/players associated with them, would probably be pretty hard to pass up.

    Guys I’d consider trading up for would certainly include Justin Gilbert, Calvin Pryor or Nix.
    Maybe Dennard.
    OLB Shazier is intriguing too.
    He’s under sized but very talented. He’s got top notch speed too.
    I’m curious to consider whether he’d have any sort of ability to play the SS position, ala Chancellor?

    As much as I like Odell, I think Moncrief or Jordan Matthews would be just as productive and, come later, without need for additional Picks being surrendered.

    That’s the beauty of the Draft process. Knowing where the value is and not reaching or overspending to get it.

    Standing pat at 30 should give us some value without additional cost at several positions of need.

    • NJ49er says:

      But of course, as we all know, nothing is predictable with the Draft process.
      Lot’s of strange stuff can happen at anytime.

      Baalke holds extra Picks and, every team could use them.

      • In the article Cohn mentioned the Titans @ 11 as a possible partner. No go?

        Here:

        http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/corner-market/

      • NJ49er says:

        Aaron Donald getting all the attention is likely creating a little smoke screen for Nix.
        Even if Nix goes ahead of 30, Hageman is an interesting option too.
        Big kid that moves very well, more of a DE/5T-type but, he’s worth some consideration too I’d think?

      • NJ49er says:

        That’s the beauty of holding the extra Picks Phil.
        Everyone could use an extra player, it’s just a matter of whether they want to wait to get him and give up the higher Pick.
        Sure, why not TN?
        We’ll see what Baalke has up his sleeve when the time comes.

        Always an interesting event 😀

  32. Spitblood says:

    I’d love it if the 49ers acquired DeShaun Jackson. I’d love it. Why? For several reasons.

    1.) For 10 million dollars a year, the 49ers would have to protect DeShaun. I thought the 49ers were almost negligent in the way they used Mario Manningham. Mario was and is a smaller receiver who can’t run routes over the middle, or be asked to take routes to the inside where he has to challenge safeties and inside linebackers. The Giants never used Mario over the middle or put him in position to be tackled by linebackers. He was a sidelines receiver, because of his build. He caught the ball and ran out of bounds. Mario was injured, I believe, on a quick screen that asked Mario to slam the ball up inside after the catch. You can’t do that with a guy like Mario (or DeShaun), but the 49ers did anyway because they weren’t and aren’t that creative with their passing game. They also did it because Mario’s salary wasn’t worthy of extreme caution. But you pay a wide receiver $10 million dollars and you better pay real close attention to how his former team used him. Deshaun Jackson is a sideline receiver who keeps safeties honest because of his threat along the sidelines, and that’s something the 49ers’ passing attack is absolutely missing.

    2.) To create the cap room for DeShaun Jackson, the 49ers would almost certainly have to ask Frank Gore to take a pay reduction. And Frank would probably be a little more happy to do it considering Jackson would certainly open up the offense.

    3.) Kaep would have to learn to throw the deep ball. DeShaun Jackson is a lot like Ted Ginn, with more talent and ability. Jackson is a deep threat, and he’d not only consistently take the top off the defense, but he’d also, if Kaep could learn to throw deep, create those much needed quick scores that put games away early. This would take pressure off the entire team.

    4.) The 49ers have a ton of slot receivers who aren’t really slot receivers – not in the traditional Wes Welker sense. The slot is most effective when there’s an outside presence who keeps the safety respecting the sidelines. Not only would Jackson’s presence open up things for our slot receivers, but Jackson’s presence would also open up things for our running game.

    5.) Pass first? You don’t put that much money towards contracts for Jackson, Vernon, McDonald, Boldin, Crabtree and Patton, and then run the ball as much as the 49ers did in 2013. Harbaugh won’t do it (much to my chagrin), but you could make a case for the 49ers transitioning away from a run first offense to a pass first offense if we got DeShaun Jackson. It would certainly be justified because of the money invested in receivers. Pass to set-up the run is where it’s at.

    $10 million for one season is a lot to pay anyone, but if there is a guy who could bring a ring to SF because of all the benefits outlined above, it would be DeShaun Jackson. There’s no guarantee that a guy like Jackson would bring us a ring, but there’s no mistaking the benefits of his presence if Kaep can learn to throw deep and Roman could use him properly. Plus, he’s a Bay Area boy. Go get ’em, Baalke and maybe I won’t hate on you as much (but Chuck will and what’s not to like about that?)

    • NJ49er says:

      A guy that might come cheaper, with similar upside is, WR Bruce Ellington from SCAR.

      I could accept DSJ on a Cap friendly deal but, he’s not that type of guy IMO.
      Like Revis, it’s all about the $$$.
      Deion came for the ring and made a big difference in ’94.

      As Chuck suggested, the difference between DSJ and Deion is the chemistry factor.

      You might like Ellington.
      Cousin to the AZ RB Andre Ellington.
      He handles KR duties as well as being the Point Guard for the SCAR BBall team.
      Kid has some quicks.
      He’s just undersized to the point where he might get into the Mid-Late RD area.
      I’d bargain shop for him possibly.

      • NJ49er says:

        Our Cap $$$ is better preserved for Kaep.

      • 12th man says:

        Deion came for the ring and 1 mil a year. This is from memory but I think he was the first player to get a million bonus? It was a big deal at the time, and left a SB winning team for Dallas and a fat contract. Not saying that is bad but let’s keep it real. It is possible some rookie can come in and be amazing, Moss did, but statistically it ain’t going to happen, rookie’s rarely make the impact Jackson made last year. I don’t like paying such a large contract, but weigh that against another “close but no cigar” season. Niners have been so close 3 years in a row, maybe this is the nudge they need?

    • NJ49er says:

      Some pretty good in-depth info/material on Bruce Ellington from CBS –

      http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1852857/bruce-ellington

      • NJ49er says:

        Accountable individual that is highly respected by everyone in the athletic department. Tireless work ethic. Leader by example and inspires teammates. Dual-sport athlete that was a starter at PG for the basketball team for his first three seasons before leaving the team to train after declaring for the draft. Majoring in sociology. Raised by Mother Gwen Ellington and has a strong support staff in his life. Close relationship with cousin Andre Ellington, former Clemson and current Arizona Cardinals running back

      • NJ49er says:

        His numbers were right on par with Odell and Cooks too.
        Just didn’t have the monster College stats to get noticed perhaps but, he faced SEC competition which has it’s merits.

      • NJ49er says:

        Still posted a 15 YPC avg and 15 TDs.
        Pretty respectable overall.

      • NJ49er says:

        16 TDs – Sorry.

      • NJ49er says:

        ‘His numbers were right on par with Odell and Cooks too. ‘
        (Combine Numbers that is)

    • phil fan says:

      You make some good points and the beginning of a solid (arguably) case for bringing him in here. Chuck sez he’s a pain but maybe getting him back in Bay Area on a good team settles him down. Players under Jimi seem to keep the gripes to a minimum and pull together for the common good. Maybe DSJ will take a turn for the better if under the Hendrix influence? We do have a cohesive, supportive group here and that’s part of being a great coach.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Even with Rogers’ $6 mill available after June 1, I really doubt they do the DSJ deal. I think we have $3.5 mill now, so that would eat up all the money. Yeah we desperately need a deep guy, but DSJ would be complaining by week 4 if he didn’t have enough catches. And it’ll go on all year. Then the loafing, lollygagging, on and on. Fuck it. Draft a fast guy. Cheaper and easier.

    As good or bad as that is (every WR has said something like that) it would be way too much scratch to commit to a habitual whiner. But Moss, for all his lousy numbers, certainly drew attention when he was out there. Something that they sorely missed last year.

    • Spitblood says:

      Couple of things to think about, Chuck….

      Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson both had roughly 750 yards receiving in their rookie years. Calvin caught 4 touchdowns, while Larry doubled that number with 8. And those guys were top five receivers. If the 49ers moved up to draft a top five receiver, they’d have to pay more than Jackson’s asking price of a 3rd and change – a lot more. And it’s not a guarantee that rookie receiver would reach those numbers. Calvin and Larry are freaks, and their numbers as rookies weren’t enough, in my opinion, to get the 49ers a ring. Logically the production numbers would decline the lower you’d go into the first round.

      I think the 49ers could approach a number of different players about restructuring their deals to bring in a talent like Jackson, and I do think players would be open to doing so if the player was perceived, as Jackson is, to be a big play maker. Willis, Staley, Gore, Bowman and others might consider restructuring; however, to me, restructuring is synonymous with mortgaging, and if you mortgage you better be prepared to maximize DeShaun’s talents as well as Chip Kelly’s offense did. And Roman is no Chip Kelly. This is my only real concern about acquiring Jackson. Mortgaging is okay if you maximize. If he’s Ted Ginn, it’s obviously a bad move.

      Regarding DeShaun being a Diva, I don’t buy this argument. I don’t like mortgaging without maximizing, but I don’t buy that DeShaun would bring his same act to SF. Because DeShaun is out of guaranteed money on his contract, and especially after he was traded to SF (if he’s traded), DeShaun would be all too aware that he’s auditioning for his next job, and part of the package is, and would be, his attitude. I think he’d tone it down for a year. In addition, the 49ers aren’t the Eagles. We have Willis, Bowman, Boldin, Vernon, Staley, Gore and others who are here now only to win Super Bowls. They have the taste, the sting, of losing big games and want the ring. For leadership the Eagles had Micheal Vick. He killed dogs. Our leadership, coupled with DeShaun displaying his talents for future free agency, would keep him in check.

      There’s one other possibility to consider. It’s possible that Chip Kelly is just telling Jackson, through the media, to cool it. ESPN reported that Kelly prefers bigger wide receivers who can do more than just run the sidelines. However, I think this is a bluff. Jackson is perfect for Kelly’s offense because he keeps the safety in the center of the field, opening things up for McCoy underneath. I think Kelly knows that Jackson is in a contract without guarantees and is telling Jackson to chill out. I think Kelly loves the production Jackson brings to the table in his offense, and I think Kelly would be crazy to let Jackson go for 3rd round pick and change. You remove Jackson from that offense and McCoy isn’t nearly as dynamic, even with Sproles, because then there’s a safety in the box. Maclin and that dude from the KKK aren’t Jackson. I’d be surprised if Jackson is traded. But stranger things have happened.

      From the 49ers’ stand point, a 3rd and change is easy to do. It’s the money that’s hard. If I was Chip Kelly, I’d want at least the compensation for Jackson that the 49ers got for Alex Smith. I’d be asking for a couple of second round picks.

      • 12th man says:

        They wouldn’t get 2 x 2 for Jackson but the rest of your points I agree with. I feel a bit queasy after writing that.

      • Spitblood says:

        Russia? Thank God for Obama. ” In his farewell address to the nation, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warns the American people to keep a careful eye on what he calls the “military-industrial complex” that has developed in the post-World War II years.” That was in ’53. 60 years later we spend 580 BILLION dollars a year on defense. 580 BILLION!!! Eisenhower was right. That’s more insane than John McCain (that rhymes, I like it). 580 Billion is 30 times the amount the next country spends. The Republicans and guys like John McCain can’t wait to go after countries like Syria and Russia. Republicans are dying to put boots on the ground because boots on the ground keep our war machine rolling. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others? 911 was like Christmas for them. McCain was next in line if it wasn’t for Obama. What McCain and Republicans forget is that when they go to war, people die. Young boys, young children, fathers, husbands, family men….. die. But not the elite’s family members. They get exemptions, and go off to college – their boys don’t join. Please explain to me why we went into Iraq and over 3,000 American troops were killed? They were killed so the rich in American could get richer. We spent 2 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s at least 1 trillion in the pocket of a lot of defense contractors that the American tax payer pays for. The reality is Republicans love to find ways to tap rich veins that are connected to our deficit. It’s an easy payday.

        Republicans have also done it with healthcare. Now that healthcare is estimated to save America over a trillion dollars in the next ten years, that’s exactly why Republicans hate health care. That money, that trillion dollars in the ten years, would go to the super rich if it wasn’t for Obama’s healthcare. Thank God for Obama. Healthcare and he’s shut down two wars, and didn’t get us involved with Syria or Russia when guys like John McCain were screaming about Obama’s “flekless foreign policy.” And let’s have another 8 years of Hillary as well…… For one simple reason. No more wars.

        Crimea was handled perfectly by Obama. He had a measured response and needed Chancellor Merkle (sp?) in Germany. At first she wasn’t on board – luke warm to sanctions. That might have been because she wanted to see how Obama would respond. She knew Obama needed Russia for peace in Syria and with Iran. Obama, unlike Bush or McCain would have, responded with a cool, calm and collected, “What Putin is doing isn’t that smart.” Obama said in the long run this will hurt Putin and Russia, and then Merkle jumped on board because Obama didn’t do what Republicans would do, “escalate this to the brink of war.” So now we have Germany, who will btw be hurt by sanctions because they buy gas from Russia, joining in the effort to sanction Russia, and that’s huge because what Germany does the rest of Europe follows. And now the war mongers, who were calling Obama weak have been exposed as war mongers. John McCain? That guy’s insane. And to think he was almost president. Yikes!

      • Spitblood says:

        Opps… didn’t mean to put this here.

  34. unca_chuck says:

    Man, 5’9″ sure ain’t Baalke’s style. Fast, though. Hope against hope Beckham’s there.

    Spitty, I thought Manningham got hurt going OB on an out route.

    • NJ49er says:

      Chuck if you do a side-by-side comparison of the Combine numbers between Odell/Cooks and Ellington, Bruce is spot on.
      Size-wise, he’s not far off in that group either.

      I’ve got him penciled in as ‘Odell-light’.

      He’s not a polished route runner but, he’s got some up-side IMO.
      Get him cheap enough and let him learn, while handling KR duties perhaps?

      CBS is suggesting him in the Randall Cobb vernacular.
      Not bad company in that regard.

    • NJ49er says:

      Odell came in at 5’11”
      Cooks 5’9″
      Ellington 5’9″

      It’s suggested that Ellington is an above average ‘hands’ catcher as well.
      All of his measurables were on par with the other 2 also.
      Cooks has the monster stats of the 3 but, he’ll be a hot commodity price-wise.

      I’m thinking Ellington on the cheap wouldn’t be too risky?

      • NJ49er says:

        LMJ is also a 5’9″ guy.
        Obviously LMJ had all sorts of rushing numbers to his credit.

        My feeling is, if LMJ isn’t happy with his role and can’t crack the RB depth chart, maybe they look to a more polished KR option at another position?

        Get what they can for LMJ after Camp maybe?
        Who knows?
        I’m playing around with the Jr GM Cap on.

        It’s always a juggling act with the personnel.

      • NJ49er says:

        Cooks 14.5 YPC 24 TDs
        Beckham 16.4 YPC 12 TDs
        Ellington 15.0 YPC 16 TDs

        Then I’d throw in Jordan Matthews and Donte Moncrief, both taller guys with good speed.

        Matthews 14.3 YPC 24 TDs
        Moncrief 15.2 YPC 20 TDs

        All of these guys run in the 4.3-4.4 range too.

        I was disappointed with Davante Adams and Jarvis Landry.
        Those 2 ran like they were dragging furniture at Indy.

      • NJ49er says:

        Ellington and Beckham did very well in the Shuttle and Cone drills also.
        Good indicator for change of direction quickness.

        Ellington put up 15 reps to Beckhams’ 7 too.

        Stats are fun but, we don’t get to evaluate the ‘football-mind’ each of these guys brings to the Scouting process.

    • He got drilled in the knee by a LB going inside on a slant, way I remember it. Injury like that in the old days woulda been a bench clearing altercation as someone mentioned at the time. Niners O shrugged and walked off the field. I found that odd = gutless actually? Cheap shot

  35. NJ49er says:

    Another guy on the radar from the WR group, that put up monster numbers was John Brown from Pitt State.

    4.34 40 in Indy and, over 4000 receiving yards in College.
    Add to that, 18.9 YPC and 41 TDs.

    There’s going to be all sorts of bargain guys, if Baalke isn’t focusing on someone specific, at the top end of the Board.

    • NJ49er says:

      Comparisons based strictly on the Combine Stats are also misleading, because the concencus top WR, Sammy Watkins, isn’t even in the conversation with some of these guys.

      He’s behind in the shuttle/cone and vert comparisons while posting 14.1 YPC 27 TDs.

      It always comes down to the scheme these guys fit into and, the ‘want it’ factor in terms of the work needed to succeed as a Pro.

      • NJ49er says:

        Davante Adams had huge numbers in the system he played in at Fresno St.
        And, he did it in 2yrs.
        233 Receptions 3,031 YDS 13.0 YPC and 38 TDs.

        If you can live with his slow 40, which we are with Crabtree and Boldin, he’s obviously worth a look.

      • “Want it” = “Whole lotta gotta” me thinks, a rare commodity

  36. Could be Kelly is yanking DSJ around through the media, yeah. He does have to settle down in last year of contract Whether here or there. Expensive but what a boost he’d bring to our attack. IF Roman/Hendrix would actually open it up. My guess is this year is the last for the “whole gang” to win the big one together.

    I might have to rethink the Balky moniker if he brings in DSJ.

    • 12th man says:

      The whole gang thing is my thought too Phil. I am not saying the window is closing but the team is changing after this season. Now is the last chance with the “known commodity” guys on roster. I figure Jackson might be the missing ingredient.
      I doubt they do it, Baalke has been very adept but conservative during his tenure. Sometimes aggressive but big contracts for outside guys have not been part of it.

  37. Nipper says:

    Remember Gents whatever you’re thinking it’s probably dead wrong. So stop thinking! Just open the door and yell out a loud BLEEP! Remember the Russians are in control.

    • 12th man says:

      Speaking of Russia! The Russian economy is not far from collapse. Some people think taking on Crimea, which has no economic value and is on the debit side of the ledger, could sink it when tied to economic sanctions from the West. The everyday Russian is who will pay the price and then revolution in Russia itself becomes more likely. Putin is gambling more than he thinks.

      Now back to our regularly scheduled mania.

      • NoFear49er says:

        Poor Russia being screwed by a rotten, self-serving, egomaniacal leader. Sounds familiar. As for going broke, I feel like a waterway in Sevastopol, Crimea river.

  38. 12th man says:

    I thought it was very interesting that Fangio got extended only one year and his contract exactly matches Harbaughs now, both ending in 2015.

  39. NoFear49er says:

    I hope we don’t consider Jackson. Plenty of others still out there that would be a better fit and play for plenty less. And then there’s the thing about getting the QB to look his way.

    I don’t think it’s a window thing. Despite the window closing every year on certain players the team changes every year, anyway.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Exactly. If there are more than a couple games where Crabs gets 6 passes, and DSJ gets 2, the bitching will commence. And it will only get louder through the year.

      As I said, I thought Sanders would have been a good fit, but they seem to be looking draftward for their WRs. For good or (mostly) bad.

      • NoFear49er says:

        Drafting is necessary but rookie wide outs bust as much as QBs. The transition to the NFL is most difficult there. A vet is probably a better way to go if you really want to increase the weapons, at least in the short term. Kenny Britt and/or Josh Morgan would be worth looking at.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Britt’s got the most upside. He’s a walking arrest warrant, though. The deal is, if they were going to do something, they could have already.

  40. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, I think it comes down to whatever is left at 30. Or he makes a move. Who knows? The deal around AJJ was they had him pegged a week before the draft, even though he was a huge reach at 28 (or whaatever he was drafted at). It turned out he was a reach in the 3rd round. As down as I am on the deep passing offense, I don’t think AJJ revives himself as much more than a glorified 3 in KC.

    Which means what going forward? Well, it seems that when Baalke has a guy in mind, he makes it happen. As in the trading up for Reid last year, and the name in the envelope from earlier.

    I guess the question is, does he have someone stuck in his brain as the must-have for this draft? Being as there are a shitload of guys he could use, I’d think he waits to see what shakes out. Someone on his board should fall to 30 simply because there are a lot of great guys, and someone should be there when we pick.

    • Just as long as that certain someone isn’t a goddamn WR.

      D-Jax to the Niners? That’s a hoot. How long do you think it would take before he’d start to bitch and moan after learning he’s leaving the high-powered and fast-paced Eagles offense to become a part of Jimbo’s stone age grind the meat Mickey Mouse operation? Jackson would have thrown his first of many temper tantrums on the plane ride over. I feel sorry for his stewardess. That’s right. I still call those bitches stewardesses. Anyone got a problem with that?

  41. unca_chuck says:

    If the window is closing oin anything, it’s the defense. Replacing J Smith is a priority. We still don’t know if the current group is up to the task. Getting a big guy in the middle as well is a need. The LBs are young and solid for the next 3 years though. The DBs will shake out soon enough.

    The question, as usual, swirl around the offense.

  42. Spitblood says:

    Russia? Thank God for Obama. ” In his farewell address to the nation, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warns the American people to keep a careful eye on what he calls the “military-industrial complex” that has developed in the post-World War II years.” That was in ’53. 60 years later we spend 580 BILLION dollars a year on defense. 580 BILLION!!! Eisenhower was right. That’s more insane than John McCain (that rhymes, I like it). 580 Billion is 30 times the amount the next country spends. The Republicans and guys like John McCain can’t wait to go after countries like Syria and Russia. Republicans are dying to put boots on the ground because boots on the ground keep our war machine rolling. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others? 911 was like Christmas for them. McCain was next in line if it wasn’t for Obama. What McCain and Republicans forget is that when they go to war, people die. Young boys, young children, fathers, husbands, family men….. die. But not the elite’s family members. They get exemptions, and go off to college – their boys don’t join. Please explain to me why we went into Iraq and over 3,000 American troops were killed? They were killed so the rich in American could get richer. We spent 2 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s at least 1 trillion in the pocket of a lot of defense contractors that the American tax payer pays for. The reality is Republicans love to find ways to tap rich veins that are connected to our deficit. It’s an easy payday.

    Republicans have also done it with healthcare. Now that healthcare is estimated to save America over a trillion dollars in the next ten years, that’s exactly why Republicans hate health care. That money, that trillion dollars in the ten years, would go to the super rich if it wasn’t for Obama’s healthcare. Thank God for Obama. Healthcare and he’s shut down two wars, and didn’t get us involved with Syria or Russia when guys like John McCain were screaming about Obama’s “flekless foreign policy.” And let’s have another 8 years of Hillary as well…… For one simple reason. No more wars.

    Crimea was handled perfectly by Obama. He had a measured response and needed Chancellor Merkle (sp?) in Germany. At first she wasn’t on board – luke warm to sanctions. That might have been because she wanted to see how Obama would respond. She knew Obama needed Russia for peace in Syria and with Iran. Obama, unlike Bush or McCain would have, responded with a cool, calm and collected, “What Putin is doing isn’t that smart.” Obama said in the long run this will hurt Putin and Russia, and then Merkle jumped on board because Obama didn’t do what Republicans would do, “escalate this to the brink of war.” So now we have Germany, who will btw be hurt by sanctions because they buy gas from Russia, joining in the effort to sanction Russia, and that’s huge because what Germany does the rest of Europe follows. And now the war mongers, who were calling Obama weak have been exposed as war mongers. John McCain? That guy’s insane. And to think he was almost president. Yikes!

  43. unca_chuck says:

    Way to kill a thread, pal.

    New thread is up.

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