Moving on to one of the best bands to come out of the south, Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Nothing fancy is how I think the 49ers deal with the impending FA period. Which cracks open in 2.5 hours.
My take is the 49ers try to keep the proverbial band together without hitting free agency hard. Keep Whitner and Brown. Maybe Cox if he’s cheap. Dawson as well. Other than that? Who knows? There’s talk of getting VD’s brother, VD the CB, from the Colts. These others are peripheral guys who can be replaced in the plentiful draft.
So, seeing what happens these next couple weeks determines what they need in the draft. I certainly don’t think they go after a FA WR, but maybe a backup D lineman on the cheap? Sure. OTher than that, and maybe a CB/SS if they let Whitner go, I don’t see the Niners going into a free agent frenzy.
San Francisco 49ers Forever 
DeSean Jackson?
DeSean would absolutely do it for me in the slot. He’ll be $10.25 mil base salary/$12.5 cap this year with two more years on his contract after that. He’s already wanting to tear it up for a new and more $ contract.
Great player but I don’t see the Niners forking out that kind of money for a WR.
Besides, Roman would just have him running decoys while Frank crashes up the middle.
Whitner signing with the browns today.
Donte Whitner posts picture of champagne on Instagram, WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!?!
Phil’s answer: It means he prefers champagne to whatever we offered (the usual frugal offer = small beer)
(from Niners Nation)
Forgot the link:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/11/donte-whitner-expects-to-sign-with-the-browns-today/
Rogers: gone. Whitner: gone. Brown, Wright and Cox: all likely gone. That leaves the Niners with Brock, Culliver, Darryl Morris and Dax Swanson as their corners. All the more reason why Baalke will draft a WR in the 1st rd.
I need more anesthesia.
posted by Dennis. Twitter is having tech issues.
That’s a lot of experience they lost in the back field. A FA signing and drafting at least 1 CB and 1 SS. Before these moves I wanted a DB in the first and these moves emphasize the need.
Well, we’re making some cap room for somebody, or two somebodies.
Yup.
Dawson just signed.
DSJ would be too pricey. WR is draftable. Safety Jarius Byrd would be pricey as well. But we have room now.
There is a cost it’s true but rookie WR rarely have an impact first year. Just pushing ideas for this season around.
Well, they should work to keep Brown if anything. Is Whitner that jazzed to play at home? The Browns? Are the Browns going after McCown as well?
Now that I think about it, they shoulda used their non-ex franchise tag on Whitner.
They need to ramp up the pass rush if they are going young in the secondary.
Browns are pissed they didn’t keep Dawson now.
Pettine has the Browns moving forward and fast. Dansby now.
Maybe we go for Graham. Then we run 23 personnel 90% of the time!
I like that Munnerlyn (sp) guy in Carolina, too.
That’s Captain Munnerlyn, Lieutenant
Glad to see the back of Dansby from our division too, good player.
The 49ers offered Whitner $4 mill. He got $7 mill from the Browns.
Right, NoFear. With Tukafu and Miller in the backfield and 4 TEs it’ll be the 24 superjumboelliott package . . .
And they just gave A. Bethea $6M for 4 yrs. A whopping $2M savings. As Ricky Watters would say, “For who? For what?”
Same skills, same age, less coin . . .
Think Pabst rather than Heineken.
Shit, forgot to post a song.
One of my all time faves. From Skynyrd’s 3rd album, Nuthin’ Fancy, of course.
One of my Favorite concerts at Winterland Chuck!!
Lynyrd Skynyrd, Marshall Tucker& Molly Hatchet Rockin the Southern Music!!!
Don’t know if GB is gonna resign him but BJ Raji plugging the middle at NT could be a flyer for the Niners to think about, just don’t feel Ian Williams is tough enough,or big enough,and he’s injury prone.
Nice. Nuthin’ Fancy in our FA moves today but we have little need fer fancy big buck players at this point. Gimme solid players and save us some bucks fer the big expensive fancy boys we still gotta sign.
Jones cut DeMarcus Ware, salary cap always wins.
Niners trade a 6th round pick for . . . Blaine Gabbert! There’s the vet. Now they draft a QB in the 3-4.
Gabbert was 10th overall and Kap 36th in the 2011 draft. Not sure what they do in the draft now. Probably take a QB after the 5th round I would think. Gabbert is cheap at 2 mil per.
Gabbert > McCoy? If so, not by much?…
I think Gabbert needed to sit on the bench behind a starter for a year or two. Tough to be a rookie starter in Jacksonville.
I don’t know nuttin ’bout Bethea. They get him 4 years at $26, but wouldn’t go 4 years $28 for Whitner? Must be something other than saving just that little of money, unless it was a question of guaranteed dough, which I haven’t seen yet. I’m not saying Whitner was Ronnie Lott redux, but what’s really going on here? Why did the Colt’s not keep Bethea?…
It usually comes down to money. Or they havea backup who can step in and play.
Now Branch with SFGate reports Niners are giving Bethea only $21 million over 4 years. That would make more sense…
Gabbert is an out-and-out pussy with no heart or courage. Even the Wizard of Oz couldn’t help him. But he’ll be great in another two years or so when Goodell officially turns the NFL into flag football.
Jesus H. Christ.
Shit, Dennis. He’s likely a 3rd stringer behiond whoever we draft. Jump already if this kind of shit pisses you off.
My angst over the Gabbert signing has absolutely nothing to do with his position on the depth chart. To say Gabbert plays “soft” would be kind. He’s a pussy. You know it. I know it. The league knows. This is all about image. The Niners just got a little more “pussier.”
No one cares, Dennis.You’ve been a pussy your whole life. Look how far you’ve gotten.
Bethea’s better in coverage and a decent enough safety. Curious move though. Whitner wanted to be closer to home?
I still think the Niners tke a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. Gabbert’s a backup rental.
My guess is he ‘wanted to be wanted’ and the bucks coupled with the hometown love did fer him.
As for Brown I’m sure the $1.7M ding he got from us has him thinking “Niners? Strictly my last option, those MFers”
Eric Wright is back on a one year deal too.
Did the DMV give ’em a new 1 yr deal on his DL as well?
Don’t know but know you told me he wouldnt be back when I wrote he could be
Miles Austin out in Dallas.
I would take a crack at him for the right price.
I can’t wait to hear Spit’s take on the Gabbert acquisition. He said I’d go completely insane if the Niners signed the Puppy Killer as a backup. Blaine Gabbert in the red and gold is desperately pushing Spit to the outer limits.
Get off the wagon and tell your sponsor to go fuck him or herself. The Niners just traded for Blaine Gabbert. Have a drink.
Bet he’s gonna be better than McCoy
Jonathan Martin’s a Niner, for a conditional (4th?) pick . . Dennis oughta like that.
Does he like anything?
Peyton Manning and Tony Romo.
Right I fergot
Are Iupati’s days numbered? Probably no extension in the near future.
Yeah good point. Martin works out it’s going to put pressure on Iupati indirectly
Maybe directly: Quoting unnamed source (the wife beater)
“Martin’s clearest path to eventually earning a starting role with the 49ers could be at guard. Left guard Mike Iupati is signed through the 2014 season, and right guard Alex Boone is under contract for two more seasons.”
Wright over Brown and Cox? Not sure I’m down with that. Still got time for Brown. Hope they keep him.
Yes hear hear. No outside offers yet = dat’s gud
Have you seen the contract numbers CB are getting so far? Wow.
Yeah it’s a hot market. Maybe Niners are letting Brown see if he can cash in somewhere and if not that they will sign him w/ a fat bonus to compensate for his loss?
Our late round picks allowing us to pick up some flyers, backups. Maybe damaged goods but hey we’re turning into the NFL recycle dept and it could work out, maybe not but no great risk. “Bring us your injured, your damaged, your underachieving”. Rather be playing this game than investing in ‘big names’ = big expensive big names. Think value
Excited to see Martin join the Niners. He’s a solid OLman. Put him on a team without neanderthals and he’ll contribute. And don’t give me any bullshit about Incognito and his band of idiots being *normal NFL*.
Glad to hear it Flav. He’s excited and has to be motivated to give his all
+1 Right on Flav
Shefter says the conditional pick for Martin is a 7th round due in 2015 if Martin is on the opening day roster. Not much risk in that.
7th next year? Excellent.
7th? No risk at all.
Martin was a 2nd round 2012 pick and is an NFL starting quality tackle. If he still has his confidence that is quite a steal for next years 7th round pick.
Boobie Dixon visiting with the Titans.
I have mixed feelings about today’s moves. I hate the Johnathan Martin acquisition for a 7th round pick. I know it’s only a 7th if he makes the team, but let’s not forget the value of training camp snaps and the feeling that we have more depth, when really we don’t. Martin is a pussy, and he won’t make the roster. He’s not strong enough, period. Anyone see what Aldon Smith did to him in the 49er / Dolphin game? People will claim he’ll be better sliding inside to guard. No he won’t. He’s too weak in the upper body, and I seriously think his days in the NFL are numbered. His acquisition, however, doesn’t mean the 49ers won’t draft another guard in the later rounds. I hope they do. Martin stinks.
I love that Eric Wright re-signed. I think he’s a player, and the 49ers giving him another contract means he’s working some kind of program to keep his nose clean. If that kid keeps his nose clean, he could be a star.
4 years for Bethea? I want to see the details of his contract. I’m sure in a couple of years the 49ers can start to lower his salary, maybe even move him to a backup role, but I think there’s some serious drop-off from Whitner to Bethea. I hope the 49ers draft a safety high to compete with Bethea now. Bethea is smaller than Whitner. Whitner is much more compact. I think our secondary just got weaker. I think what Baalke did was go after a veteran to replace Whitner because it takes a lot to coach-up a rookie safety. But that doesn’t mean our secondary won’t skip a beat. Bethea is not as good as Whitner. The chance of the 49ers now drafting a safety in the first round is looking slimmer. I’d still prefer they did, however, to replace Dahl and have someone immediately ready to replace Bethea as soon as possible.
Bethea is a player, and he’ll get the job done, but in the NFC West you need hard hitting safeties to put the fear of God in receivers going over the middle. That’s not Bethea and Reid. I still hope Baalke selects a safety in the first round, but it’s looking less likely.
Regarding Blaine Gabbert, I love this move. I hate Gabbert, Del’s right. But I love the move. I written frequently that Jim Harbaugh needs another Alex Smith project to eventually trade for more draft picks. I thought that might be McCoy, but during the pre season it was obvious McCoy seriously lacked arm strength. Gabbert has more arm strength, so maybe Harbaugh can rejuvenate Gabbert’s career like he did Alex Smith’s. Now if Gabbert is ever our starter, I’m going to quit the 49ers for good, but that’s clearly not the plan here. The plan is (I think) to lower Gabbert’s salary from 2 million down to 1 million for 2014, then get him tuned up in our offense and maybe ask him to win a game or two. If he’s given the opportunity to start in the NFL if (god forbid) Kaep gets injured, and Gabbert plays well under Harbaugh’s system, we could fool some teams into thinking Gabbert’s been born again, and trade him for a pick higher than a 6th. But to get an Alex Smith type bounty, Gabbert would have to play a lot and get the admiration of some coaches around the league, and I’m not thrilled about that prospect.
On the whole today, I think the 49ers have weakened their team. I’d give Baalke a C for the day. Martin only hurts us in training camp and preseason snaps lost, Bethea is a downgrade to Whitner but because he’s the only real projected starter, this one hurts. Wright is a huge plus, and Gabbert is an upgrade over McCoy. I have more heart in my left pinky than Gabbert and Martin, but maybe Harbaugh can inspire Gabbert.
Gabbert is better than anyone they’d Draft in May.
Low cost move for practically nothing.
Well there you go = better than anyone in this years draft (at our spot). Yeah I like it esp. after we saw what Jimi did with another #1 pick who needed a little boost.
Baalke is tinkering with the roster for next to nothing.
No risk moves thus far.
Saved a little money too.
Bethea is solid. I’ve got no gripes since Whitner opted to move on.
We’ll be Drafting the SS of the future in May anyway.
Wrong. It’s not “next to nothing.” These are roster spots. Baalke has so far exchanged Whitner for Bethea, Goodwin for Martin, and McCoy for Gabbert. Baalke’s downgraded two out of the three positions, and the one position he’s upgraded is a backup who won’t have much impact. And it’s cost us a 6th and 25 million. Not a great day for the 49ers. But spin it however you’d like.
They washed away Goodwin’s money.
Saved some coin with the loss of Whitner.
Where’s the $25M?
Not spinning anything.
They saved money with Bethea over Whitner.
Martin for a 2015 7th?
That’s chewing gum money if he makes the roster or not.
Noodle arm McCoy is no great loss.
Plus they saved money losing Carlos and gaining Wright.
I know how much you love the ‘Suit’ but, this is what the suits do.
No guarantees Kaep will stick around long term either.
Gotta plan accordingly.
Gabbert isn’t Montana but, who is?
He’s still an upgrade over McCoy IMO.
It”s not Goodwin for Martin, they play different positions and Gabbert is worth more than McCoy. Not crazy about the Whitner loss so far but need to hear the contract details before commenting.
Yeh 12th, Goodwin is just a FA write off I’d assume.
Martin is simply an option for a roster spot.
Swing tackle?
Neither of these guys is going to be expected to do much.
Not a big deal for me on either count.
First Blaine Gabbert, now we’ve traded for Jonathan Martin. Why stop there? The Niners should go acquire Fredo Corleone and C-3PO and then we’d have the four biggest pussies in the history of modern civilization.
Waist of time…and a roster spot in pre season.
Not Martins finest hour but Aldon has made many a tackle look ridiculous.
Martin is a waste of time. Bethea is a downgrade.
Seattle has the Legion of Boom and we’ve got Gabbert and Martin. The Seahawks must be shaking in their boots. And I’m sure they are — from all the uncontrollable laughter generated from our latest trades.
Seattle also Drafts behind us Del.
They’re sorry Whitner is gone too I’m sure.
He got burned twice in the NFCC game.
They’re also shaking because Baalke has 12 Picks to shop with.
This is the chess match that goes on this time of year.
Nobody wins or loses until they play the games.
I’m sure Baalke isn’t looking to destroy the roster with these moves.
These are low risk options IMO.
If Martin doesn’t cut it, we lose a 7th RD Pick in 2015.
Who cares?
I think it is 11 picks now NJ after the Gabbert trade.
Let’s not forget that Caldwell, the GM in JAX, is a friend of Romans’.
Never hurts to open these sorts of exchanges with friends.
Might help with a move up the Board down the road too?
Same with Miami. We took Martins’ Contract and the media circus off their hands.
Ya never know…..
Correct 12th.
Thx
Either way, we have Picks for these types of moves.
Trying to ease Del’s angst.
I’m probably not doing a very good job either. 😀
Yeah, NJ…. I’m sure Seattle is sorry Whitner’s gone. Give me a break. Can you be more of a company man?
Del need angst like we need oxygen NJ. What would he get up after lunch for if not to fret?
Agree the moves today are peripheral and very low risk/reward. I like the Gabbert deal, Martin is for free and TC will see what he is made of facing our front 7 every day.
Signing Eric Wright is small potatoes and gives some depth and the opportunity to redeem his career.
Would have preferred they keep Whitner over Bethea but the Niners don’t control all the variables. If they really lost him because of 2 mil over 4 years I don’t agree with it but I have a feeling there is more to it than that.
I’m a 9er man Spit.
They saved money on a guy they weren’t hell-bent on saving.
Bethea is solid.
It’s a wash.
It is what it is.
You want to torch the moves, have at it.
It’s nothing devastating to me.
Just business in the NFL.
12th I’d read that the Whitner/Bethea exchange saved $5M.
Either way, as you suggest, Whitner made the decision to take the coin in Cleveland.
That’s the way it goes.
Little reason to panic after a couple of low risk, money saving moves.
They’ve got the Legion of Boom, we’ve got Bethea and Reid? Baalke better pickup his game…. pronto.
We’ll beat the Legion of Goons with a passing game.
Whitner got burned twice in Seattle. That’s why they’ll miss him.
Baalke is trying to improve the position.
He’ll also be Drafting the future SS in May.
Even when he does, it won’t be an instant fix.
Bethea is there now to provide insurance.
Oh, I see…. we’re gonna beat the Legion of Doom with our passing game. Hey everybody! Great news. We’re gonna beat the Legion of Doom with our passing game that’s being coordinated by a college run game coordinator in Greg Roman – a guy who hasn’t shown that ability yet to throw the ball consistently, but NJ claims that’s what’s going to happen because he’s not a company man or anything. That’s awesome news, NJ. I’m thrilled. And if we don’t score a ton of points we can all sit back and watch Bathea and Dahl get beatin’ like a drum for 4 quarter. But that won’t happen, right NJ?
Obsess much?
I said ‘WITH A’ passing game is how you beat the Legion of Goons.
We need one.
Seeing as we didn’t beat them with the passing game we have, we’ll need to get a better one.
In May Baalke gets to Draft WRs and DBs.
I’ve predicted a pair of each.
See what happens then.
Oh, I even feel better because, “with a passing game” changes everything!
Seattle beat our Secondary.
Seattle lost to Indy.
Maybe it was Andrew Luck?
Maybe it was the Indy Secondary?
Either way, Bethea is a 9er now.
We still need to address our passing game.
That’s on Harbaugh and Roman.
Trent Baalke is starting to suck. Look at his 2012 draft, AJ Jenkins, and now today. Baalke sucks.
He lost Whitner.
He filled it with a viable Vet option.
Equals smart move, to cover the loss while saving money.
He had a quick fix.
Tells me he’s prepared.
Martin?
Why not?
2015 7th RD Pick?
No brainer.
“Legion of Goons” is best moniker yet fer that pack of mugging rascals. Bethea Is better than Whitner in coverage and zero penalties last year. Blown coverages cost us big by DW in NFCCG no question about it. 2 X Pro Bowler, vet presence, more money saved for other players, younger. I can’t complain -yet. And we will be drafting couple DBs this spring.
No need to panic or depress. Let’s see how this plays out. It’s not about what us bloggers think.
Doesn’t tell me he’s prepared. Tells me he’s nervous and buying things on the first day of free agency – something the 49ers have been able to avoid in years prior. Baalke didn’t acquire all of this talent. McCoughan and Nolan brought in the majority, and it was Harbaugh’s name that attracted free agents. Baalke didn’t put it all together, but it sure as hell all could come unraveled on Baalke’s watch, and today, the unraveling has starter. Actually, it started with Baalke’s 2012 draft.
It’s a team effort Spit.
Baalke isn’t getting paid to screw it up.
Remember the Jonas Jennings / Nate Clements FA era?
We’re not desparate at this point.
No reason to overpay anymore.
We’re trying to juggle Cap moves and maintain the roster.
These are low budget moves.
Draft Picks are cheap too.
Sure, 2012 is a talking point but, the team remains a contender.
More Picks to spend in May.
I’m optimistic that this Draft Class has more viable options than AJJ.
Indy burned the Legion of Goons with T.Y/ Hilton.
A pint sized speedster of a WR.
There’s several of those types of guys coming along in May.
Hence a reason why I like the little RB Dri Archer of the 4.26 40 variety.
Brandin Cooks, Davante Adams, Odell Beckham, we’ll see?
Speed can beat size in this matchup with Seattle.
Boldin and Crabtree are possession guys.
Neither has any wheels.
Last year’s draft? Why do you have Dahl starting over Reid? Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop smoking crack. Look at the 2011 draft. You were touting the guy what, 2 months ago? .
2008 draft? Scotty’s. 2009. Scotty’s. 2010? You tell me. Scotty was hammered the whole time, and wrote his ticket out of here. .
I obviously don’t have Dahl starting over Reid. What I’m saying is we only have one good safety, and we’re desperately thin at the position. Baalke better use a first round pick on a safety, not a wide receiver. Bathea is a band aid.
McCloughan wasn’t great, but my point is that with years of poor coaching, the 49ers acquired a lot of talent. This wasn’t Baalke’s doing. Baalke is showing signs of being a bad GM. You don’t judge a draft class until 4 or 5 years down the road.
So far I give him credit for finding Hunter and Culliver. Kaep was all Harbaugh, and Aldon Smith was a 7th overall pick. You better hit on a 7th, and look at the first 15 in 2011.
1 Cam Newton QB Panthers 93
2 Von Miller OLB Broncos 97
3 Marcell Dareus DT Bills 97
4 A.J. Green WR Bengals 97
5 Patrick Peterson DB Cardinals 97
6 Julio Jones WR Falcons 95
7 Aldon Smith DE 49ers 93
8 Jake Locker QB Titans 90
9 Tyron Smith OT Cowboys 95
10 Blaine Gabbert QB Jaguars 96
11 J.J. Watt DE Texans 93
12 Christian Ponder QB Vikings 85
13 Nick Fairley DT Lions 94
14 Robert Quinn DE Rams 96
15 Mike Pouncey C Dolphins 92
With talent like this in the top 15, I could have drafted a stud at 7 with my eyes closed.
What, Sign Revis for $50 mill? Jarius Byrd for $60? Gawd, let’s take a little chiiax time. You and Dennis should get off the ledge and say, see what happens in the draft. Or wait til they actually take the field in 6 months? .
Lemme guess:.
What?!? We drafted (player x)? He’s a stiff! We suck! Baalke should be shot! We are the biggest joke in the NFL! Blah blah blah. Did we sign Peyton Romo yet? Repeat 10 times.
Pussies, Dennis? Big talk from a guy who broke his shoulder sitting, and broke his foot feeding ducks. If you even walked onto a football field you’d turn into a puddle of piss.
The Killer Ducks of the East Bay are whining in frustration that chow wagon has disappeared somewhere.
Either that or they are eating his rotting corpse.
It’s the cycle of off season dealing Chuck.
Dan Snyder was always the FA sweepstakes winner for a time.
Where’d that get him?
Look at my favorite buffoon Jerruh.
Robbing PRomo to pay whomever.
For all the tripe thrown at, and about Baalke, he’s done a pretty commendable job IMO.
Al Davis thought he conquered the world with JaWalrus, DHB and Run DMC too.
Always a crap-shoot in the Draft.
Still comes down to the guy wearing the pads on game days.
Some want to play….Some just want the pay.
AJJ was a pretty productive kid in College.
I think the NFL game overwhelmed him.
Win some, lose some.
At least there’s a Rookie Cap now.
Busts like JaWalrus won’t devastate a roster as badly now as then.
It’s the FA busts that will kill a team now.
Older guys, with heavy Cap numbers, are a helluva lot more risky then a 21 year Rookie.
An old GM once said if you hit on 30% of your pics you’re doing well. AJJ was a miss that’s for sure.
I personally think Baalke made an error last year not taking a CB higher in the draft and pssed and moaned about it at the time, now they need to take 2 DB. They cobbled together a back 4 all year due to injury and/or being outplayed by the guy behind. Fangio’s scheme is DB friendly and they largely got away with it until they didn’t, when it mattered most.
Whitner was a liability in 2012 and most wanted him gone, including me. He had a more suitable partner last year and together they played better, so which is the real Whitner? I would prefer him over Bethea at least until I see Bethea perform in Fangio’s system and with a pro bowl quality partner. My guess is that in the end they won’t miss him much, similar to Goldson, because of the system and the front 7 and I know they won’t miss the ugly penalties.
You may argue that the penalties were unfair, and I have, but it results in the same thing and Reid went penalty free as did Bethea last year.
Baalke drafted too many injured players last year IMO and provided very little for last years team and yes I understand the team was loaded but still. Now if those injured players can provide an impact this year!
I read Tank compared his skills to Warren Sapp, big talk but I hope he is right.
Baalke had a great draft in 2011 and not just getting Aldon Smith, who none of us had even heard of, so looking back at the top 15 and saying it was easy is BS, Baalke drafted Smith and we all scratched our heads but he was right of course. His 2012 draft was poor and that is accounting for how hard it is to get on a loaded roster. He did much better in 2013 picking Reid and getting contributions from some other players but if those injured guys don’t end up contributing it was only a mediocre draft. We shall see this year if his gamble payed off.
Looking forward to this years draft what do we expect? 2 WR, 2 DB, a RB, a QB and what else? Always a good idea to add to the lines, can never have enough pass rush, what about Martin? Does that trade mean they don’t need O line? Will they draft to replace Iupati who I suspect is gone next year?
How many of the 11 picks will Baalke use? I guess 8.
OK Chuck time for a new post since I wrote this opus.
“Let’s take a little chiiax time.” Exactly. You don’t go out and grab a fist full of nothing on day one of free agency. That’s not Baalke’s style, unless you’re desperate. We all know Baalke has preferred to wait and get free agent deals later. Why not this year? Why not “take a little chiiax time?” John Martin sucks. I’ll bet you he doesn’t make the 53 man roster to start the season. I’ll also bet you Bethea isn’t starting in two years. Gabbert’s really a non-factor (hopefully). More of an insurance plan. So then what? We’ve used a 6th and 25 million for Blaine Gabbert and a band aid? No my idea of a good day. But Baalke has time to redeem himself.
Exactly Spit.
Way too early to panic.
Martin is young, a former 1st RD Pick that played for Harbaugh at Stanford.
If he’s got any heart to compete, he’ll earn a job.
If not, he cost Baalke a 7th in 2015.
It’s not getting perfected between now and next Tuesday.
Little moves, sound planning, a little luck on Draft Weekend and, we’ll see which guys play on Sundays after Camp.
You’re not paying attention, NJ. It’s not too early, as you say, to panic. It’s too early to dive into the free agent market (which we just did), and it’s too early to tell if Baalke’s any good at drafting. But there are indications that Baalke could be stinker.
Guys need to take a chill pill on Jonathan Martin. It’s a conditional 2015 7th round pick — IF he makes the 53 man on opening day. That’s about as low as you go in trade terms, just north of giving up nothing. It’s a no risk move, Harbaugh obviously likes the guy, maybe Harbs can get him motivated to make the team and be a decent back up. Big deal…
Agreed. But put all the moves together and you have to consider this one.
I’m not too excited to trade Whitner for Bethea but I think Baalke thought he was the next best thing out there to fill the spot for the money he could allocate to that position. Not a brilliant move but not bad for a prudent reaction to fill an important hole.
Gabbert’s getting solid back up money if he’s getting $2MM/yr. He’s expected to be able to come off the bench and actually win a game or two.
I don’t worry about the Martin trade, bought nothin’, paid nothin’. Miami couldn’t cut him but we can.
What’s all the money for? I’m wondering if the guys we cleared space for are already here.
Drafting receivers is like shooting craps, with doctored dice. Very hard to transition to the pros for most of those college stars.
That’s just it NoFear49er.
Whitner chose a better offer.
Good for him.
I appreciate all he’s done for us, solid guy, a little weak in pass coverage but, most SSs are.
Bethea was a prudent backup plan which Baalke was able to orchestrate.
I’m with you, extra cash is always better then dead money.
Maybe another piece is coming?
Time will tell.
It’s the 1st day of FA.
I didn’t expect anything to occur, yet, we had all sorts of activity.
At least it’s fresh football news for a change.
Good thing is Fangio/Donatell can make some adjustments in the secondary duties if Bethea isn’t up to the type of run support Whitner thrived on and if we get some big zone/run corners. Whitner upped his game last year and I don’t remember calling him a jerk-off more than once or twice. No wonder he got paid!
Think we’ll grab 2 in the draft in that case NF?
Depending on FA, probably so. They’re like drafting QBs. Keep doing it. Most don’t stick.
Bethea will be a band aid for a couple of years. I don’t think he’s Super Bowl caliber…. now. The Colts didn’t want to pay him 5 million per year, and they’ve made the playoffs two years in a row. That tells you something. You want a good player ON THE FIRST DAY of free agency, you have to pay big money. That’s what Baalke just did. He over paid for Bathea because Baalke panicked regarding our SS.
Martin’s a waist of time. Gabbert is potential trade bait after rehab. Check down, Charlie. But hell, Harbaugh won with Alex Smith. The best move of the day was signing our own – Eric Wright. Oh, and letting an older player in Carlos Rogers get out of town.
I look for T Brown to sign somewhere else this week. Brock, Wright and Culliver will do fine. If the 49ers draft a SS early, the secondary will be fine.
Bethea is solid Spit.
He’s also not overpaid.
He saved money in comparison to what Whitner got.
Sure, he’s a bandaid, he’s there for his experience while the newcomer from the Draft learns the ropes.
Again, small moves that saved money, while maintaining a viable roster.
Wright is a better option on the slot, for a whole lot less money, then Rogers too.
If TBrown moves on, there’s talk that we’ve made CB Nolan Carroll an option from Miami.
The game of roster tinkering.
If he’s so solid, why didn’t the Browns go after him?
If he’s so solid, why’d the Colts let him go?
He’s solid like the old bike in the garage you have to ride when the truck’s in the shop.
Same reasonwe let Whitner go I guess?
It’s the nature of the game.
FAs move around.
We lost our SS, we took theirs.
Both guys have 9yrs in the league.
Bethea – 123 games – 806 Combined tackles – 14 INTs
Whitner – 116 games – 669 Combined tackles – 10 INTs.
Bethea costs us less too.
Advantage Baalke.
Why didn’t the Browns want Bathea? Leadership? Bathea’s been in the league longer than Whitner. Big game experience? Bathea has a ring. The Browns didn’t want Bathea because Whitner’s a hell of a lot better, despite you spinning otherwise.
Whitner’s better than Bethea. Case closed.
In 2013 both guys had 2 Picks.
Bethea made 110 Combined Tackles
Whitner made 73 Combined Tackles.
Advantage Bethea.
Colts had expensive safeties and Manusky doesn’t insist on strong vs free in safeties. Probably a good way to save some money or must meet Landry’s contract numbers if reupping him. And I hear they want more pass rush so less on safeties makes sense. Besides I think RJF is taking all their money now.
Whitner is better but we don’t pay more than we set at current market value.
Both guys got Drafted in ’06 Spit.
Whitner a 1st RD selection
Bethea a 6th RD selection.
I’ve got no problems whatsoever with Donte.
Sorry to see him go.
But, he did.
Baalke got Bethea to replace him.
For LESS Money.
What’s not to like?
I know…….Baalke.
Follow my theory here Spit.
Spend wisely.
Manage the Cap.
Buy low.
Maintain the roster youth to Vet ratio.
Force other’s to max out their Caps.
Cash in on their mismanagement, when their guys hit the street, that still have value, make a pitch.
Like……..Bethea.
Good they can have RJF and he can have their money. Jest keep yer F-ing hands off our coach
Case closed? Naw the only case that should be closed is the one Dennis is trying to pry open
Whitner is a Cleveland native, Ohio State Grad.
He got offered a good Contract to play in his hometown.
His decision, he chose Cleveland.
Can’t fault him for that.
We got Bethea now.
Did I mention his stats are better and, he cost Baalke LESS?
I think I did.
Bethea made more tackles because he didn’t have Willis and Bowman in front of him. Give me a break. You’re full of shit.
Or…..Bethea was there before the LBs and took care of business?
You’re not a guy that adapts to change too readily are you?
You’re a joke.
Gentlemen I checked Phils Jaw Jack-O-Meter = it’s a draw until we get some evidence plus or minus. In games that count. Balky got the best guy available for what we can afford, can there be any doubt?
The 49ers don’t have Tom Gamble anymore. Gamble used to do the pro scouting for the 49ers. Last year Trent Baalke went out and got us Colt McCoy.
Just keeping it real Spit.
It’s football.
Things change.
Bethea is our new SS now.
Thanks to Donte.
Welcome Antoine.
A GMs work is never done.
More things to consider.
Blaine Gabbert:
What the 49ers have said now on three separate occasions is that Harbaugh can rehabilitate a quarterback’s career. He did it with Alex Smith. He couldn’t do it with Colt McCoy. They’ll try to do it with Blaine Gabbert. Now I admit, maybe I’m off here. Maybe Baalke isn’t looking at these guys as trade bait. Maybe he’s just looking to them as backups who can win a spot start here and there… now. But personally I think that would be a foolish angle. And another thing we’ll never know – Is Baalke even consulting Harbaugh when making moves at qb? It’s said that Harbaugh is the one who lost faith in BJ Daniels, but he was on the roster. Is Baalke giving Harbaugh Daniels, McCoy and now Gabbert? I think Colt was brought in because he could run the read option, and did in Texas. Does Blaine signal a move to a qb who’s now more of a pocket passer?
If Baalke is handing Harbaugh qbs, Harbaugh’s rejecting them – Daniels and McCoy. Harbaugh went out in search of starting qbs, like Kaep and Manning. But there’s no evidence to show that Harbaugh is giving input on the selection of backups.
Last year the 49ers bet they could do more with Colt McCoy than the Browns. They couldn’t. McCoy’s done, maybe in the league, certainly as a starter. Gabbert will be interesting to follow, but if the 49ers swing and miss with Gabbert, they have to abandon the model and start drafting and developing a rookie qb. I’ve been advocating this for a while now.
If the 49ers are trying to rehabilitate quarterbacks off the scrap heap
Wasn’t like McCoy got a lot of playing time so who’s to know. Surely we didn’t get him to start. Think the same w/ BG = backup material and to light a fire under Kaps butt. This #10 in the 1st Round will motivate Kap regardless. He’s admitted he follows him and all the QBs drafted ahead of him in ’11. Now he can watch him in practice.
Right now we’re taking a lot of rehab projects and seeing if we can get some value there. QBs, RBs, DL, OL (Martin). Balky’s been purdy good at the FA market so…let’s see. Carradine, Lattimore, Dial if they perform Balky will be a genius. Or at least doing a good job.
I’ve read that Harbaugh has full control on the QB position.
I’d hope that he and Baalke are working together.
That has been the crux of great debate, since the Cleveland trade leaks developed.
I think we’ve driven over that topic from every direction already.
You could also suggest that Gabbert is an insurance policy, if Kaep opts to move on, rather then re-up too.
No guarantees in this business.
Gabbert got the snot knocked out of him in Jax.
Like Alex, or David Carr in Houston, no OLines to speak of, when they got thrown to the wolves as a Rookies.
Agree, Harbaugh should have much better results with him.
We’ll see…..
Yeah NJ it’s a concern when GM + HC aren’t on same page but is it really the case w/ us? Don’t think so. Sticking with the earlier supposition this is a cover story spread by Jed through Maiocco to media to knock Jimi down in contract negotiations. Also to a lesser degree by Maiocco to ‘even the score’ by press with the HC who will not be controlled. Beauty of this is when it’s identified, as now our eyes are open, it loses effectiveness- and diminishes.
BTW the J Martin signing looks to be another collaboration between HC+GM
Another team that was hurting in the Secondary and, was rumored to be shopping for S help was Philly.
They settled for Malcom Jenkins.
Thought that was a curious signing.
But, they’ve got a good shot at Calvin Pryor in May too.
Wanted to correct myself too.
Think I posted that Martin was a 1st RD Pick?
He was a 2 –
Rumors were circulating that we attempted to land RB Toby Gerhart, former Harbaugh guy from Stanford.
If they’re looking for the thumper RB to replace Boobie, there’s an interesting option from BC.
Andre Williams – 5’11” 230 – turned in a 4.56 40 and an impressive 38″ Vert.
Put up almost 3800 yds in College too.
Compares favorably with Toby in terms of size.
He’s projecting in the Mid RD area.
Don’t forget that Whitner looked shitty in 2012 and we were all ready to run him out of town on a rail.
Last year it was different – he had Reid next to him, not Goldson.
Defensive play is about the unit. Individual stats have to be parsed very carefully.
I’m willing to wait and see how Bethea looks with Reid playing alongside of him before I panic.
As for Martin, it’s a *conditional* 7th round pick in 2015. If he does not impress in TC, he’s gone and we owe nothing. If he does show something, we have an option besides Snyder if someone gets hurt or if Davis continues to struggle on the inside.
Gabbert is worth and flyer. He’s probably more solid than anything we’d find in the 6th round, and he can’t be worse than Colt McCoy looked in his few opportunities last year.
We still had better have a good draft, though. None of these guys is really an impact guy as I see it. Its working on the bottom of the roster, not the top.
Good points there Grumpy. Nice to hear yer reasonable voice
And yes we do need a good draft to keep plugging holes at WR, S and CB
Whitner looked terrible compensating for Goldson, and was better with Reid back there. There’s no reason to think Bethea can’t do a similar job. Whitner wanted the money and the hometown factor. Good for him. He got it.
Bethea may not be as flashy as Whitner, but Reid certainly wasn’t as flashy was Goldson. Reid got the job done without the needless penalties, or blown coverages. Bethea is solid in coverage and tackles well. Pretty much what you want in a strong safety.
Going hyperbolic over it is ludicrous. They got a guy who can play for a couple years while he teaches his replacement.
Now Bethea is only solid in coverage. What happened to him being better in coverage then Whitner? I wonder why you backtracked on that one post haste. Don’t stop now. Keep making up these ridiculous rationalizations so it appears we have the better safety now. The hysteria is so rampant over here that I’m close to falling off my chair for a second time. Keep it coming.
He was better in 2013 than Whitner was in 2012. Where each of them will fall in 2014 is a better question – and I don’t see a huge difference, when you allow for the quality of their teammates on defense.
I’m more concerned about the CB position, myself, with Brown maybe leaving, Rogers gone, Culliver trying to come back after a year off and Brock still not a fully known commodity. I think we have to get a CB with one of our 1st or 2nd round picks.
And yeah, we need a WR, but also yeah, we should not take one unless we can figure out how to fucking use him.
Jump, Dennis. Your shit is tiresome. He is better in coverage than Whitner based on the numbers. Is he? No way to know until he hits the field. For all intents and purposes, they are pretty much the same. Whitner is a big hitter, but so was Goldson. We did fine without him. If they had waited, no one would be available, and Craig Dahl would be starting.
But that’s what you want. You want the team to struggle so you can whine about it.
Evidently the Broncos didn’t spend all the money on Peyton. Just look at “Big Deal” Elway go. Buying defense now. Banking on future cap increases, too.
Right, Grump. I hope they keep Brown, as he’s very good. Finding a replacement in the draft will be very tricky. There are guys out there, who we’ve gone over, but Brown is a known entity. They should still draft a high CB though.
WR? Gaaaawd. I hope they get Beckham. How they use him is another issue entirely.
Which we’ve gone over!
If the game is won on paper, NoFear, Denver is already better than they were last year.
Frankly,. I’m impressed so far with what they’ve done. What it means remains to be seen . . .
I starting Happy Hour early.
Patriots cut Sopoaga.
Seattle’s lost Clinton McDonald, Red Bryant, and Cris Clemons on their D line. It ain’t going easy for them at all.
Put Jared Allen on the D-line for two or three years. With the Smith Bros, our safeties will be tops.
No more Golden Tate – till next year with the Pussycats, anyway.
NoFear, Allen is a 4-3 guy though. I think he’s also lost a step so *I think* he could not beat out Aldon or Brooks at OLB, and he cannot hold his own in a 3-4 against the run.
*If* we sign a big time FA I’d rather be help for our passing game. But, I’d much rather build through the draft and put off Cap Hell for another year or two.
Im with you on this Grump. I would rather psay for a FA WR, like they did with Boldin than waste another high round pick trying to find a college WR that can play well in the pro’s
Yeah but I don’t want to pay at all if we aren’t going to use him.
The problem with FA WRs is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Shit, Soap was a pretty good plug in the middle. He certainly didn’t get tons of penetration, but he did hold his ground well. Get him back on the cheap.
I have no idea how he did in Philly/NE but Philly obviously didn’t like him. Different system? The Eagles ran a 3-4 last year, but they ran a 4-3 for years prior to that. Maybe he just didn’t fit.
NE? 4-3. Wrong peg for the hole they were filling.
I think Odell’s worth the gamble to trade up for if he’s there ~20. He’s big, tall, and fast. He runs routes well and has great hands. Davante something out of Fresneck looks good as well. Maybe they can get him in the 2nd and get a CB/SS in the 1st.
These things are cornball, but this shows Beckham’s ability to go after the ball, and not let it come to him in traffic. He positions himself real well to shield defenders.
Revis cut loose by the Buccaneers.
Cue the Niner rumors
Hell to the no. Unless he’s a bargain. The best I ever had . . .
I think the 49ers have managed the safety position perfectly, until yesterday. Three, four years ago they let Goldson hit and test a soft market, and brought in Whitner. Whitner and Goldson were really a huge part of the 49ers’ success, and I believe, if we had a better qb established in 2011, the 49ers were the best team in the NFL, and would have won the Super Bowl. Then last year the 49ers lost the Super Bowl and now, today, the 49ers don’t have Whitner or Goldson. Sure, both guys had their issues in coverage, but both guys could hit. That’s what separates today’s safeties from Goldson and Whitner.
So Goldson leaves and Baalke, instead of going after another safety in free agency, moves up for a gem in Reid in the first round to work with the veteran, Whitner. Perfect move, albeit, and I admit, a little risky.
The 49ers had the model. They knew what do to. They could have done the same thing this year. They had a smart second year FS in Reid, retained Ed Donantel, and could have gone after another safety in this year’s first round – a safety who could hit. Safeties with a presence over the middle are the formula for success the last fews years, and certainly a big part of Seattle’s recent Super Bowl victory.
Instead of looking to the draft to find a hitting SS, the 49ers spent money on the first day of free agency (never a good idea) and brought in an older safety to play alongside Reid. Did Baalke lose his nerve? Not wanting to expose himself to being left without a safety until the draft once again? I think he did. However, and to be fair, this year’s crop of safeties aren’t as deep, and going to the well a second time is risky.
I would have preferred the 49ers went to that well a second time in the draft waited in free agency and went after a ss like Quintin Mikel (sp?) from the Carolina Panthers. Calvin Pryor, or even better, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix would have been perfect behind Mikel for one year – maybe moving Pryor or Clinton-Dix into the lineup immediately or halfway through the season. Now the 49ers are once again betting on an older and smaller safety in Bethea to play alongside Reid for the next two or three years. I think this is a mistake, but only time will tell. If I had to bet, I’d bet we’re in for missed tackles down in the box, and the occasional play over the top of Bethea. I think the correct move was to wait and draft a safety in the first round, even though Reid is only a second year player.
They have other needs besides SS. They filled a need with a solid guy. ALL the good FA safeties are gone, and the Niners got one of them. You expect them to sign another pro-bowler off the draft? Dream on. I just find it funny you pick one thing to obsess about. Passes the time I suppose.
Again, you get the known entity and draft a CB or 2. They’ll draft a sleeper SS in the 4th.
Have you looked at the top 3 or 4 safeties in the draft? Of course you haven’t.
I mean, if I was a Seahawks fan I’d be pissed. They are losing guys at an alarming rate.
Quality guys too. So far their team is definitely diminished this off season.
I think the Broncos have made a huge mistake, but Elway will be loved for it. As far as legacies go, this helps Elway’s. He had nothing to lose. With Peyton Manning being as old as he is, Elway had to bolster the D fast and try to get Manning back to the Super Bowl, but it won’t work. The Broncos will flirt with not making the playoffs.
Talib is a malcontent and a head case. Ware isn’t a leader, and his play has declined. Ware’s soft. He’s a name only. Talib is an upgrade over Bailey but Talib has a ton of issues and he’s not the toughest player on any team. It’s not difficult to knock Talib out of a game. Belichick could keep Talib in games (barely) but John Fox and Jack Del Rio don’t garner the same respect around the league, and in the locker room. I commend Elway for making these moves, but the better move, for the long term, would have been to find a rookie backup to Manning (Osweiler isn’t the answer), and continue to build through the draft. The Chiefs and Chargers will probably have better records than the Broncos at the end of the year. Elway’s doing a good job, but he just reached …. and he’ll get his hand burned on the stove with fans giving him sympathy.
No to mention Talib had issues with weed in the past.
Welcome to Colorado Aqib.
It’s legal here.
CB Chris Cook coming in for a visit on Thursday!
Lets hope he moves on somewhere else.
You want missed tackles?
His name is Carlos Rogers.
He’s gone.
As for the Safety theory you proposed Spit, CPryor is a FS, as is C-Dix.
The guy that would be my best fit is Deone Bucannon from Washington.
Excellent size – 6’1″ 211 Runs very well, 4.49.
Turned in a 36.5″ Vert with a 10’5″ Broad.
Arms – 32 3/8″
He’s also a solid tackler, 384 in 49 games. Add 15 INTs to the mix as well.
By comparison, C-Dix 6’1″ 208 ran 4.58, 33″ Vert 9’11” Broad. Arms – 32 3/8″
Pretty close, until you factor College stats.
100 Tackles in 38 games with 7 INTs.
Calvin Pryor – 5’11” 207 4.58 40. Good Vert at 34.5″ 9’8″ Broad.
Biggest knock perhaps? Shorter arms – 31 3/8″
Give me Deone.
There’s alot of buzz for Jimmie Ward from Northern IL. He’s only 5’11” 193.
He didn’t run in Indy but had great College numbers.
55 games 320 Tackles and 11 INTs.
But…it’s Northern IL.
A guy like Deone might not necessarily be a 1st RD Pick either.
The SS Group is carrying 2nd RD grades and beyond, for what that’s worth.
RD1 should be BPA for Baalke between WR or CB IMO.
I’d love to see him make a move up for Justin Gilbert but, he’s likely out of reach.
In a perfect scenario, we stick at 30, get Odell there.
In RD 2 we nab Deone and WR Donte Moncrief.
I could live with a CB in RD1 too if we miss on Odell.
Just not sure who would carry a low 1st RD grade there.
My best guess would be Kyle Fuller from VA Tech.
6’0″ 190 4.49 40 38.5″ Vert 10’8″ Broad. Long arms too, 32 7/8″
54 games – 207 tackles 10 INTs
I’d be happy with him.
I would go CB 1st round WR second unless the value is wildly the other way. WR is such a tough pick to hit on.
With both areas, DBs and WRs as deep as they are 12th, I’d be happy with the BPA approach at either position.
When dealing with College prospects, it’s never automatic at any position.
CBs can bust just as easily as WRs.
Look at Mo Claiborne in Dallas, Dee Milliner NYJ.
Neither guy has shown much and, both were rated extemely high when they came out.
H3LL, I’d have a tough time passing on a guy like Louis Nix or LB Ryan Shazier if either slid to our 30th slot.
Go BPA.
Always a good formula.
Another consideration I’d propose, if Iupati is iffy to extend is, OG Gabe Jackson from MS State.
He might be a RD 2 steal.
SS Mo Alexander from Utah State did well at the Combine too.
Don’t know much about him though.
6’1″ 220 4.54 40 38″ Vert 10’3″ Broad 32 5/8″ arms.
Not much on him, JUCO transfer apparently.
He’s a sleeper-type, late RD Pick perhaps?
He took a pretty stiff jail sentence for slugging a teammate –
Could be a risk in that regard?
http://tinyurl.com/mnk26yz
How about Eric Decker going to the NYJ?
Quite a surprise.
$36M 5yrs $15M Guaranteed –
Might help is in the Draft however?
NYJ could look to another position now with his addition.
Calvin Pryor is a strong safety in the NFL. Bank on it. Ha Ha is an Ed Reid clone. Both guys could play in the box if needed. And if you want interchangeable safeties, Ha Ha’s your guy. Ha Ha is serious. That dude will be a stud in the NFL. If he fell past 15, I’d grab him.
1st Round – CB
2nd Round – Safety
2nd Round – Running Back
3rd Round – Wide Receiver
Ha-Ha is overrated –
You can keep him.
Pryor goes ahead of Pick 30.
Deone is our guy.
NJ – with all due respect, you’re full of shit… and increasingly so. You come in here every night and shit on this blog, talking crap about things you don’t even know about, hoping it fits within your scheme of things. Back some shit up with some facts that aren’t twisted to support you 49er company man shtick, or else just STFU.
Think I supported my viewpoint pretty well Spit.
Brought you Combine stats, College stats as I was able to find them too.
Tell me what I twisted.
Simply comparing the stats and giving an opinion.
We’re all FOS, that’s what we do here.
You hate Baalke, I respect his efforts.
I get it.
No company man schtick from me, I don’t work for the company.
You don’t have to like my opinions, I don’t have to like yours.
No harm, no foul.
Stick the STFU remarks up your A$$.
No need for that garbage.
The 49ers have gone down the wrong road. And it’ll be hard to reverse course now. The formula for winning championships in SF was hard hitting safeties and an amazing rushing attack. Now we have Bethea and Frank Gore still making 6 million a year. Baalke sucks! That dude’s in over his head. Take away Tom Gamble and Jim Harbaugh and Trent Baalke is Scot’s McCloughan’s assistant.
Bethea is the Vet addition to insure/bridge to the Rookie we Draft in May Spit.
He’s on par with Whitner, and saves some money.
The Cap is being handled just fine.
Be nice if our Safeties wouldn’t give up the big plays.
Our Front 7 is where our rush Defense earns it’s keep.
Baalke sucks.
Baalke replaced Gamble.
That’s why Gamble asked to go to Philly.
His hometown.
Baalke was a Scout earlier in his career and moved up, just as Gamble did.
Young guys replace old guys all the time.
Part of the natural progression of things.
Phils Jaw Jack-O-Meter was showing Draw, now edging towards TILT
When Gamble left he took a lot of the front office knowledge with him regarding current NFL players. Baalke looks to be the guy who’d rather draft older players. When you can’t draft, this is what you have to do…. go older. Thank god Harbaugh knew about Eric Reid from his days at Stanford.
Here’s Bethea highlights. Nothing to whine about last year either. Him and Reid will be okay:
Lol…. nice try. This highlight reel is old. Most of the plays Bethea has Bob Sanders next to him which is the Colts in their heyday when Manning scored a million points and the safeties knew what was coming…. and Bethea was young. hell, there’s one highlight with Boldin in a Cardinals’ uniform. LOL. Don’t try to sell me this is the same player. 9 year veteran.
Where-as Pryor will only get better. Bethea getting worse every day, Pryor getting better….
Naw he played good last year too and will only improve w/ Reid like your boy Whitner did after a miserable 2012. Pryor won’t be there at 30 my friend
So good the Colts let him get out of town and four other safeties got paid more on opening day? Don’t represent a guy different than he truly is. He’s old. Your highlight reel was a weak attempt at manipulation.
Spit there’s no question that a younger option is coming in May.
You want a 2nd yr FS playing next to a Rookie SS?
That’s a disaster waiting to happen.
Good chance Bethea doesn’t see the end of his Contract with us.
For now, he’s on the Roster.
Isn’t the worst move I’ve ever seen.
You want to rag on Baalke but, McCloughan had his share of garbage moves too.
Kentwan Balmer comes to mind.
At this point, the team is getting younger.
Older Vets, like Boldin, help in the transition at every position.
Think Boldin helping the WR pick(s) in May.
Bethea helping the SS pick.
Spitwad Browns wanted your boy Whitner @ $7M per and there was no way we could match that and sign a vet CB in advance of the draft. Unless we’re keen to compete with the Browns at any price
I want a first round SS in Ha Ha or Pryor. That’s a disaster waiting to happen? Yeah, like Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Kenny Vicarro and Eric Reid? Good thinking. One thing’s for sure… first round safeties haven’t been busting lately. Looks like that’s the safe pick. Let’s me guess, NJ…. you want a wide receiver in the first? Hmmm….. what about AJ Jenkins? Tell me about him again? How’d he turn out? Wide receiver is much more risky than safety, but hey, if you want to bang your head against the wall, go for it.
Phil….. Who’s advocating paying Whitner 7 million? I’m advocating, and have been, drafting a safety in the first round.
Baalke brought Harbaugh to SF too,
Not sure why you don’t like what he’s done for this team.
We’re pretty well managed under his watch.
2 guys that got beat in the NFCC gsme in Seattle are gone now.
Whitner and Rogers.
It’s about improving and planning ahead for the GM.
It’s not like Bethea is a nobody.
He’s a former Pro Bowler, still getting it done.
Read what I’d proposed earlier Spit.
Odell would be a guy I’d like at 30 if there.
Anyone can bust.
Get over AJJ.
He’s gone.
Swung and missed.
We got Reid last year. Baalke knew what he was doing there huh?
I know, Harbaugh made that Pick?
The former QB has all sorts of insight on the Defensive side of the Scouting?
You have an issue with Baalke, so be it.
You won’t get Pryor at 30.
I’d pass on Ha-Ha.
We’ll see what Baalke does in May.
All comes down to Scouting and slotting. If they’re guy is on the Board, they Pick.
If not, they pass and trade back or, take the next best option.
You keep insisting Pryor and CDix are SSs.
They’re not.
SS in Louisville was Hakeem Smith.
SS in ‘Bama was Vinnie Sunseri
Just because you want a 1st RD pick at a specific position doesn’t make it the better pick.
It’s on the Scouts to assign those Grades.
Look at CBs Mo Claiborne and Dee Milliner from recent years.
Both guys ranked as can’t miss Pro’s.
Both guys are mediocre.
A guy has to fit the system he’s being Drafted into.
CDix had a 100 tackles. You expect him to play in the Box at SS?
Dream on.
Hey Grumpy,
We play a lot of 4-2 these days. Allen wouldn’t be key in run defense anyway. He can play some inside tackle and outside end as a rotation/situational pressure guy. He wouldn’t be worth all the money he probably wants but he wouldn’t mind winning a championship or two for less I’d bet. QB pressure is what we can use more of and Allen would bring it.
I don’t think a big name/big money receiver is going to change the offense that much. Even one that draws double teams for a few games, like Moss, doesn’t fool defenses for long if he doesn’t get targeted but rarely. If that’s all it took, to pay a big time receiver to run deep routes, we’d be throwing a lot more deep stuff now.
Spit you made a remark about Gamble taking his NFL knowledge with him to Philly.
He’s working with GM Roseman there now.
Another team that had a horrible Secondary.
Just signed an old CB, Malcom Jenkins.
They needed a S also.
They added Chris Maragos on a 3yr deal.
Maragos was a Baalke Pick a few years back and got cut, went to Seattle.
Now he’s in Philly.
I’d call that an average move, since he wasn’t starting next to Earl Thomas.
How about applying your old player theory to Elway in Denver.
Paying $30M to Ware and letting Decker walk?
I guess that move makes sense huh?
Ware is breaking down, missing games too.
Bethea is an Iron Man at SS.
Hard worker, still getting it done, much like Boldin.
Some guys can defy their ages in this game, most don’t.
London Fletcher comes to mind in that scenario too.
The Colts obviously felt money was needed at other positions, Bethea became expendable to them.
Happens all the time.
Better to know what the values are to your team, then to keep throwing money at guys that aren’t producing up to their Contracts.
Santonio Holmes perhaps?
Mark Sanchez?
Baalke puts a value on each position and the player he’s paying to fill it.
Many GMs, like Jerruh, are completely clueless.
Spitblood says:
March 12, 2014 at 10:29 pm
NJ – with all due respect, you’re full of shit… and increasingly so. You come in here every night and shit on this blog, talking crap about things you don’t even know about, hoping it fits within your scheme of things. Back some shit up with some facts that aren’t twisted to support you 49er company man shtick, or else just STFU.
What exactly is sh!tting on the blog mean Spit?
We’re talking Draft options.
Sure, I’m trying to predict what options Baalke has in mind.
I know what I do research on, I post my opinions about it, just as you and everyone else does here.
You like your guys, I like my guys.
In the end, we wait to see what happens.
Maybe I’m right, maybe you’re right.
It becomes reality when Baalke does his job.
If you did your research, you’d know that Pryor and CDix are listed as FSs.
Get your facts separated from your opinions, before telling me to STFU.
I don’t bring an agenda here to sh!t on you or anyone else.
Just sharing opinions and research info I’ve located.
It’s OK to debate the options.
Stick the STFU remark up your A$$.
You were torqued out about Baalke spending $25M on Gabbert too.
Fact is, he picked up Gabbert for the final year of his original Rookie deal, which is 80% paid off already.
What he got was a 1st RD QB for $2M.
A low risk option to use as an upgrade over McCoy.
You want to debate 9ers that’s fine.
No need for the personal insults.
I read your opinions, I have mine too.
Keep it civil, show some respect.
With all due respect…..
My mistake, Gabbert was on a 4yr Deal – not 5.
So 75% is done, 80% –
Don’t want to be accused of twisting anything –
Blaine Gabbert is set to earn a guaranteed $2.011 million this season. Gabbert’s salary this season is fully guaranteed for injury, skill and salary cap concerns, a source said, which virtually assures the backup job is his to lose. The entire four-year, $12 million deal Gabbert signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars as a rookie was guaranteed.
Don’t want to pile on here because I think pretty much everyone brings something to the table in our attempts to figure out what’s best for the Niners. NJ, Spit, 12, NF, etc all have good things to offer. The back and forth is useful, educational even. So bully (sorry Jonathan Martin) fer us. It’s going to come down to seeing what Balky does and how that matches our high or low expectations. It’s too soon to tell in some cases but we will be proven either right or wrong. As will Balky. We need a good productive draft this year with WR & DBs top of our list as Grumpy sez.
I’m all for taking a S in the first round if there is value there. Pryor looks like he could be a great player for us if we can get him- even trading up. Bethea is a stop gap while our yet to be acquired new guy(s) get up to speed. He’s a penalty free tackling machine as the admittedly old career tape above shows. Saw some stats about his recent tackling vs Whitner I just saw are eye opening: over last three years Bethea has 349 tackles vs 228 fer Donte. Pass D not so much but he’s another character type who will bring needed leadership to the team and a professional example for the future draftees in backfield we do get. I’m optimistic we’ll get a couple more players in draft or FA which will leave us equal to or improved in our backfield. IMHO
Info on Bethea:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/3/12/5500256/antoine-bethea-signing-49ers-scouting-report-colts-blogger-scout
Recent -lol- vid of safeties on FA market this year incl. Whitner & Beth-A
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Film-Room-Safeties-On-The-Open-Market/32bc58f2-e07c-4e1b-98c6-2b85d3680c25
SNARKK here’s the tiny url of the same link:
http://tinyurl.com/opur7kn
Morning Phil.
Whitner was not very good in 2012, he played in the same scheme with Goldson who was pretty good. The following year we have Reid in for Goldson and hey presto Whitner plays much better.
The exact same thing could happen with Bethea for all Spit knows. Spit gives his opinions as facts and gets nasty when his “facts” are questioned. Spit cobbles together a storyline that fits in with his point to try to support his stuff.
I like reading some of his ideas either for their entertainment value or for the occasional nugget he uncovers because he thinks unconventionably.
I don’t mind his schtick, characters are the lifeblood of blogs, but he gets personal and that is not so funny.
NJ has his info, he has basic limited facts to support his case. For instance the niners need a SS and he has researched good college SS. Spit knows the 2 big name safeties and try’s to make a case for them. He doesn’t know they are FS. So he proclaims they will be SS in the NFL. It’s kids stuff.
Funny all the same but i don’t see that particular debate ended in a draw.
Just watched some Dri Archer highlights. No, I wouldn’t use him as a RB going up the middle, which seemed his primary responsibility with the Golden Flashes. But on his kickoff returns, plus reverses and end arounds when he’s lined up wide, Holy Mallard! The guy’s a flippin’ blur.
Only Chris Johnson timed better in the combine 40 in the 26 years they’ve been doing it. I want him. If only to see how Roman screws it up.
Another oddity about Archer is although he is small he is a long strider. He matched the record set by Megatron for the least strides in the 40. I don’t know if Baalke will go after him or not but he does have some skills at a minimum in the return game.
Spitty seems to tire of being sane. So every once in a while he goes off the rails. Much like Dennis at times.
To each his own I suppose. Don;t know where Archer stands in the draft, but going after him above the 4th round for strictly a punt returner is too high.
Anyhow, new thread is up.