Dashon Goldson’s grandmother apparently is weighing in on her grandson’s contract impasse with the 49ers.
Dashon Goldson @thehawk38“@msrosecooking: @sf49ers showing no loyalty to my baby, @thehawk38 (Dashon Goldson ). Any team will be lucky to get him.”>Tell em grandma!
Haven’t we travelled this road before? Goldson bid his twitter goodbyes 2 years ago to us forgiving and unforgiving fans, as Dashon struck out to find his pot of gold. Unfortunately for him, the gold turned out to be brass, and he came back and meekly signed a 1 year 2 million dollar deal after turning down his 5 year/$25 mill deal that set him on the road to perdition anyway. After a couple pro-bowl seasons, and once again feeling his oats, Dashon wants something in the range of the Tim (?) Waddell (I know, he’s the weird-ass Olympic runner) deal, and 5 years, $40 million.
Uh, no. It ain’t gonna happen Dashon. Some people think he’s a top 5 safety.Yes he has his moments of being a disruptive force, but he also has a lot of brain-dead ones as well. Bad penalties, jumping routes, and the oft-occurring getting burned deep. The playoffs were fairly galling, but that was a system wide failure of not enough pressure, and the entire DB corps getting toasted.
The 49ers have already come out and said they would not franchise him. Not too surprising as that would force the Niners to pay him $7.1 mill. It also leads me to believe that if they won;t franchise him for $7, they won’t offer him a long term deal for $8 / year. The 49ers are likely in the 5/30 range. A little rich for my blood, but I suppose it would do. The question is, does Dashon really think someone will pay him more than that? Frankly, the Niners could very well say we got the same deal from 2 years ago, skippy 5/25. Take it or hit the road, Jack. Harsh? Sure. Mean? Yeah, I guess. Know what? Tough shit. Dashon isn’t Patrick Willis. Or NaVorro Bowman. He’s replaceable. Moreso than those guys. And, like Baalke said, we can’t pay everyone. Plus, with all their leverage in this upcoming FA period and draft, they have about 20 different options to choose from.
So, the same thing will happen that happened two years ago. Dashon finds a lukewarm market (watered down even more by the rookie cap, which deflates a lot of the FA deals) and few suitors. If he’s lucky, the Niners will give him a 3/18 deal. And he’ll take it.
Forty Niners Forever 
Safety shuffle: 49ers in the mix for hard-hitting LaRon Landry
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Alex Smith has approx. 10 mins left as a 49er. Any parting words? Are we throwing a going away party? Maybe we’ll have some cake. Doubt it. I’m sure it, too, was fumbled away on its way from the bakery.
Come on Dennis,You know you want to Stuff Alex’s head on the wall at Antlers to view forever.
Looks like Delanie to the Titans, that’s a bigger loss than some think.
Yup, 4 year deal.
Maybe we can swap TEs with the Titans? I’d gladly have Cook over Walker…. any. damn. day.
Delanie wanted/deserves a chance to be the first option at TE, and that wasn’t going to happen here. Good player, but they can definitely find someone else to replace his contributions to the team.
Damn…. My boy, Cook, went to the Rams. That’s even worse. Now he’s in our division on an up and coming team.
Redskins TE Fred Davis is available. He’d be a nice upgrade over Delanie.
Lots of guys changing teams.Delanie Walker now a Titan.Mike Wallace signs with Miami.Goldson talking with Tampa.
Teams are dumping some nice players right now for cap purposes.
Nadi released from Philadelphia. Wonder if the 49ers could restructure a contract.Cheaper then the Revis Island.
Kruger gone as well from Ravens.
Mr. Smith goes to….Kansas.
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/49ers-Acquire-Picks-in-Alex-Smith-Trade/8c8998c0-9559-42b7-85ef-fa6997442a8a
Canty now to the Ravens. Our D line needs help!!!!!!!
So far the 49ers have lost Isaac Soap, Delanie Walker, Randy Moss and Alex Smith – with Goldson, RJF and others looking to leave as well. We’ve picked up an expensive Boldin for one year, and gained two draft choices while losing a 6th. It’s looking more and more like the front office will be asking the position coaches to coach up and get their draft choices ready. And Baalke is once again looking to second tier free agents. Jim Tomsula will need to coach up at least two new D linemen, whether it be in free agency or the draft. I’m not worried that both Ice and RJF are leaving. Both were average players in my opinion. It’ll be nice to get some new blood along the D line.
Walker? I just don’t get it. The guy is a great blocker and route runner,but he sucks at catching passes. He was the worst by far at dropping passes. Something like 30% of the shit thrown to him he botched. In the end, if he can’t catch shit, adios, muchacho. Plenty of TEs can block. And run routes. They can also catch at better than a 70% clip. Fucking Reuland was decent. Maybe not as dynamic, but, shit. Walker dropped 6 in the playoffs alone.
Fred Davis would be awesome, but I’d also love to see the Niners find another pass catching TE, or develop Tom Celek and his dolphin shorts.
I think the Niners just may go ahead and ditch the 3-4 since they barely use it anyway.
Get 2 inside guys like back in the Holt/Fagan days.
FA Glenn Dorsey might make a nice addition to our team. 300 pound DE. He didn’t do much in Kansas City, and he was hurt most of last year so there isn’t much buzz around him. He’s only played for 3 years in the league. Tomsula could turn him into something – kinda have a resurgence to his career in SF. He’s the kind of guy Baalke could target and sign because of the situation surrounding him. MIght be cheap with upside.
Grump, just saw your 10:02 post from yesterday. Very nice. Yeah, that game goes down as the worst I’ve ever seen in my life.
Want to know the killer about 1972? After Dallas scored the go-ahead TD, the Niners got the ball, and Brodie hit P-p-p-p-p-p-p-r-r-r, uh, that guy, down the sidelines to get the Niners into FG range, but the play was called back for holding. Redemption lost, Brodie got picked the next play (and fucking Gossett missed a couple FGs that day so he mighta missed the game winner anyway, but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, that hurt).
Woodson in for a visit. Please, no thank you,. No more old guys. The Moss/Boldin thing is enough.
Woodson as a FS would work just fine Spit.
He or Ed Reed, mentor/player coach-types, great to have while you develop behind them.
As it looks right now, we’re apparently willing to watch all of ourFAs depart.
Baalke seems to have his ducks in a row, waiting for the proper pieces to become available.
I’d consider doing a decent deal for Dorsey, and perhaps a Cap friendly offer to Seymour as well.
Sean Smith is a head scratcher, if you believe the media types who put us in the mix for his services.
Seems to me he’s looking for a big pay day ala Goldson.
As we’ve discussed, guys will come to SF for the shot at the ring, not to get rich.
I wouldn’t sign Woodson. Mentor is one thing. Legs are another.
Ed Reed isn’t one for the legs conversation any longer either.
What they lack in speed they typically make up for in smarts.
Not getting caught out of position often.
I think Baalke sees either guy as a rental while talent is developed anyway.
Saw an opinion somewhere that DeAngelo Hall could be a candidate to make that move to FS too.
Where older CBs typically end up, when the wheels don’t turn as well as they used to.
That’s the Alex Smith problem I hated so much. You don’t bring in mediocre to develop talent behind if starter is average. Develop the talent on the field. It’s not like the 49ers can’t win 10 games with a rookie starting safety. Now you can’t lean on rookies too much, but right now we’re only in jeopardy of losing two starters – Goldson and Soap. I think the 49ers can and should start rookies at both positions. However, you don’t want to leave yourself vulnerable to just relying on the draft. If Goldson goes, the 49ers have the draft and Trenton Robinson – YIKES! I’d still prefer that over signing Woodson.
We basically married Alex when he was Drafted #1 overall.
To your point, expectations were high obviously.
Once you realize you didn’t get what you paid for, you’re stuck.
Married to the Cap number and the Contract.
With a Vet, you have a body of work to base your price tag on.
Now you have the luxury of a cheaper starter and time to improve other deficiencies on roster.
Look at it as experienced talent helping you through the uncertainties of Rookie development.
At the right price you can afford the Vet leadership.
Doesn’t mean the Rookies don’t benefit or lose out necessarily.
It’s a gradual learning curve, situational opportunities are always part of the game, player packages.
The Vet at any position is a stop gap.
It’s that ‘window’ conversation we had the other night.
Pay for production. We paid Alex, didn’t get much production for a whole host of reasons.
Woodson is a savvy guy, good leader.
Will he fit the Baalke budget? See what shakes out.
He’s not what he used to be, that’s why you get the discount or, you just say no thanks.
Any guy in his shoes is seeking the Ring and knows it’s a temporary gig going in.
I wouldn’t rely on him for 16 games and beyond but, he’s just a placeholder IMO.
Another guy worth checking on for the DLine is Michael Bennett from TB.
He gets after the QB and does a good job in Run Support.
To your point about risky personalities Spit, how do you play Aqib Talib?
He’s another of those high talent, low morals guys.
Belichick took him on and, he gave up a Draft choice to get him.
I don’t think anyone wants to make a huge investment in him due to his checkered past.
Would you risk making him a below market offer to have him on the Roster?
If you do, you run the risk of bringing a cancer into the clubhouse.
It’s one thing to have a troubled player in college. It’s quite another thing to have a troubled player in the pros. If he’s in the pros and bouncing around alla Braylon Edwards, a change of scenery won’t be nearly as effective as saying, “You’re a pro now. You can make a boat load of money if you get your head straight…. and we’ll help you.” I’d take a chance on Rogers long before I took a chance on Talib.
Could happen.
I like the numbers and the size of Da’Rick too.
As for Talib?
He’d bring that swagger we’d like to have in the Division.
Just can’t convince myself that he’s worth the risk.
Titus Young and Albert Haynesworth are shining examples.
Haynesworth was the highest paid player in football and pissed it away.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and Rolando McClain all engaged in criminal behavior and given a second chance. Pros or not they enjoyed being criminals.
As for an answer to the loss of Delanie.
I’d put out a call to Raiders TE Brandon Myers.
I don’t even know who Meyers is. Fred Davis is a stud, and he can block. Not as fast as Delanie, but he has hands and he knows how to move the chains. I hope he sits on the market for a while.
Saw him on NFLN last week.
He isn’t a big guy, 6’4″ 250 but, he makes plays in the Red Zone.
79/806 4TDs.
Until last year he wasn’t utilized much.
It is the Raiders after all.
Worth a look I guess?
Not sure what to expect from Garrett Celek at this point either.
He got some game action last year of course, so that puts him ahead of the curve in comparison to AJ.
Recall reading that he wasn’t asked to catch much in College and he’s been working hard to improve that piece of his game.
That’s the thing…. I think if you have a good team, and the coaches are good coaches, guys like Celek can reach their full potential that’s never evaluated at the combine. It’s all about the team’s culture, and this culture is solid. Guys are convinced they have all the tools – coaches, preparation, great players around them – to excel. Celek could easily replace Walker and be great. But politics get involved. Fans wouldn’t be thrilled with Celek when really, Celek could be the best overall options (money and team chemistry considered) out there.
Celek’s game would have to be different than Delanie’s, though. He’d have to be more like his brother – move the sticks, identify and swat in zones, good hands… That wasn’t Delanie. Delanie blocked and stretched the field…. and dropped passes.
That experience comes with reps.
He got into game action, he’ll continue to put in the work and try to increase his opportunities.
We have a good chemistry for sure.
It’s a constantly evolving process. Depth is needed to cover injuries also.
Who was prepared to lose Kyle and Kendall and Mario in the same Season?
Baalke appears ready to let guys walk on his terms. He’s shown a good deal of foresight preparing the Roster for the future.
Goldson goes, someone else should be ready to go.
If not, he goes to the FA market for a stop gap option.
This is really a great year for Spitblood. Alex Smith AND Delanie Walker gone in the same year, technically on the same day? It’s too good too be true. I should mark this day on my calendar.
It’s Football. Comes in cycles.
Delanie appears to have been replaced by Boldin in the short term.
Baalke will find a long term solution I’m sure.
Look at Chicago with Urlacher. He was done 3 years ago.
Team kept appeasing the the Fan base and didn’t bother to be objective about life beyond what he was.
Kept paying for the past Urlacher.
Did they develop anyone behind him?
Apparently not.
Kept throwing money his way based on what he did in the past.
Baalke has shown that he slides the wage scale proportionate to results.
Celek doesn’t cost squat right now.
If he flops, no harm no foul. He’s gone, the Cap is fine.
I like the way he does business.
You can call it Spitblood’s A Fool Day
I have to laugh at the Ravens. All this for Joe Flacco’s contract? The lose Boldin. Lewis retires. Ed Reed is shopping. They just lost Ellerbe, their promising young linebacker who could replace Lewis? For what? Flacco didn’t beat the 49ers. The 49ers beat the 49ers. I love John Harbaugh, but the owner’s decision to make Joe Flacco the highest paid in NFL history will handcuff John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome for a long, long time. And if there’s one person out there who loves the Flacco deal, it’s Tom Brady. Not for the money, but because it basically weakens the Ravens so much that a major hurdle to the Super Bowl for Brady and his Patriots has now been eliminated. I have to laugh… stupid. Flacco’s not top ten.
We’ll have a similar issue with Kaep soon.
The Roster has to be managed to align with the Cap needs.
We’re purging at S and DLine right now.
Baalke will attempt to avoid what Newsome just got slammed with.
Older players move on, that’s the name of the game.
You can’t pay everyone certainly.
But, when you get your Franchise QB, he’s the guy that get’s paid above all.
Baalke will make an offer to Kaep before he gets bent over the negotiating table like Newsome did.
Extend him early.
Don’t wait for him to hit the end of the Rookie Contract.
We know Kaep is capable.
Baltimore waited for Flacco to prove it and they got screwed for playing hardball with him.
You also have to look at teams like Miami that had the Cap money to spend.
They snagged Ellerbe with an overpriced Contract offer. Hard to combat that.
We benefited as well, by taking Boldins’ Contract while their hands were tied.
The game is won or lost in the front offices in many ways.
If you Draft poorly and overspend on dead talent, (NYJ) you get bent over when it comes to negotiating with leverage.
Flacco deserved his Contract, he won a SB.
The problem was the timing of getting all those deals done under Cap pressure.
Do you think Peyton Manning is worth the $40M Denver guaranteed him?
Peyton hasn’t done squat in terms of SB wins to warrant that sort of dough IMO.
But, since it ain’t my money, Denver feels it was worth it.
All about what the Market will bear.
I’m just glad we didn’t get sucked into that situation as Denver did.
That was a desperation move that cost them a boatload of money, especially for a guy that didn’t play the year before.
Flacco got a huge deal, but just as damaging is the boatload of money they committed to Halloti Ngata. In the 3-4 your linemen are more or less there to occupy blockers. Not every lineman in the league can do it well, but there’s no way your nose tackle should be the highest paid guy on the defense.
Now they lose Pollard. HA…. The Ravens will be a joke because of two contracts. LMAO!!!!
It’s also a good sign of sorts that the CB market isn’t running wild with signings too.
Teams appear to be nervous about setting the figure for the Market right now.
Good strategy by Baalke to seek the value guys that aren’t being chased around by the media spotlight.
The longer a high flying CB waits the better the leverage for the GMs trying to sign them.
Spitblood
You are dumb enough and shortsighted enough that you would hire a child molestor to teach kindergarten.
Only if your kids were in the class. Wow…. that’s a low blow. But fuck it ….. it’s Chuck. Lol.
Oh please tell me that Charles Woodson is just visiting the 49ers and that management is not considering signing this washed up fool. 36 years old!! that is ancient! Please, Please tell me this is not going to happen!!
The Packer Defense improves when Woodson is in the lineup. He remains productive.
Do not hold his age against him if he can still play the position better than anyone on your team.
36 years old in the NFL is a day to day player, at age 36 he gets hurt and he will more than likely be gone for the season. Age is everything in sports!! I have watched the SF Giants have to learn hard lessons by continually picking up vet players instead of developing young players!! I would consider this an extremely foolish pickup!
Don’t hold his age against him? Are you nuckin’ futs?
Ryan Vogelsong, Edgar Renteria, Marco Scutaro. Yeah, those veteran pickups have really screwed the Giants these last few years.
If Woodson still has the legs to play coverage at FS then he’s likely the best option they have given what they want to commit in a contract. I don’t know what their plan is for Trenton Robinson, but he was seen as a potential round 2-3 pick prior to the 2012 draft. He may well still be seen as their FS of the future.
Reggie Bush agrees on a 4yr deal with the Lions.
The deals just keep on coming.
Boldin is a steal to me.Dude is fearless. Breaks a jaw one year and wants to still finish the year.
He will also be a huge influence on whoever else the get at WR.Be good for Crabs as well.
I think we have to get two young safeties this year, preferably through the draft – but I would not want to start both in 2013. Someone back there needs to know what the fuck is going on and make the defensive calls. So I’d acquiesce to having either Woodson or Reed for one year, to play FS, make those calls, and be a coach on the field. The alternative is keeping Whitner. Reed and Woodson are old but still playing fairly well. Whitner was awful last year. By 2014, though, I expect both kids to be playing.
I’m all over that thought Grumpy.Been feeling the same thing.I’ll take Ed Reed over Woodson anyway of the week+Sunday.Then you grab Jonathan Cyprien S ,a guy like Philip Thomas,Matt Elam or any other big hitters with size and Reed will help mentor these guys.
Might even now take a flyer on Nadi at CB.Work out a 1-2yr at most deal and under our coaching he could possibly bounce back as a shutdown corner again and really help out Tarrell Brown as well.Who I think played as good if not better then anyone else in the secondary last year.
Well we difinetly need to get some SS CB added.
Godson just divined for 5yrs with Tampa.
Damm Between Goldson and Mark Barron,that’s the some heavy wood.Some Poor Reciever may get killed next year.
Niners signed Chiefs DT Dorsey
My sources were right.
He should be roughly a replacement for RJF, with Ian Williams penciled in to replace Soap. Now if we can draft a couple of big mean SOBs to rotate in, we’ll be in better shape next year.
Man the feeding frenzy continues!!
Adding a Stud on the DL in Dorsey,real great addition. Can play right side and NT.Former 1st rd pick,#5 I believe.
Dorsey is exactly the kind of guy the 49ers need. Can play right now, has experience, and is motivated to play well because he basically washed out in KC. In addition, despite one year of health concerns, Dorsey has been relatively healthy in the NFL. This is a good move. Get him into the rotation, have Tomsula coach him up, and he’ll start making plays. Probably more than Soap. He’s only 300 pounds, so I see him being more apart of the DE rotation than the NT in a 3/4, but like Grump and others have talked about, we don’t use a straight 3/4 often. Dorsey’s a nice addition. Don’t know the terms of the deal, but can’t imagine we overpaid for him.
I’m not going to get too giddy about Dorsey. He is a guy who basically underachieved and flopped in KC. He gives us a body for the rotation, particularly if the draft board does not yield us enough DL help this year. He is insurance against having to reach for a DE, in other words. Now maybe Tomsula can spin straw into gold and jump start his career, and maybe he can’t. But not having to reach to fill immediate holes lets us take, if not the overall BPA, then at least the BPA in an area where we have clear need.
Would I rather have Jenkins or Canty? Sure. But Dorsey is exactly the kind of guy the 49ers can get more out of. Carlos Rogers, Brooks and Whitner were all cast offs. I betcha Dorsey has found a home. I’m not giddy or overly thrilled, but the move makes sense.
Yeah it does makes sense. It’s low risk, low probability of hitting the jackpot, but there’s always the chance. If he is not helping, you cut him and you’re only out a presumably modest signing bonus. If it works out, you at least replace RJF as a reliever on the line, with the small chance he finally plays like the Fifth Overall pick he once was. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I’d still like to see the 49ers use a high pick on DT…. and then a later round DT as a project. I’m not thrilled about Ian Williams….
The defense still needs two DLs, one OLB, one ILB, one CB and two safeties. Offense a WR, a TE, a T, a QB, and throw in a K.
That’s 12 guys, that you want to keep. A FA safety makes no difference because he would be replacing Whitner in my mind, not Goldson. One rookie safety needs to start. But figure one of those gets filled with an unexpected FA. That leaves 11, out of 14 draft picks. Use the other three on fliers – guys with huge upside, who were fuck ups. Cut them if you need to – these are lottery ticket guys, high reward or busts. If your fliers make the team, they can push off marginal talent or rookies.
With all the picks we have this year, our draft strategy can include some risk. From the third or fourth round on, we should look to take some fliers on guys who have the talent but have been fuck ups in some way. I would take three or four guys like that. If you have to cut them, no big deal. But take guys with the athleticism to be special if they get their head together.
First day of camp, have them and only them come to a special meeting. Have Alex Boone talk to them about last chances. Then have Harbs get up, look each one in the eye, and say, “I’ve got a 53-man roster penciled out in my head… and NONE of you fuckers are on it. I expect to cut you all…
“If you want to change that, you’d better be prepared to get your sorry asses out on that field every day and prove to me why I should keep you. You ain’t on scholarship any more. SHOW me what you can do… or expect to be bagging groceries somewhere come October.”
Grumpy, that doesn’t seem like Harbaugh’s MO. More like this guy:
Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces, I don’t give a fuck, I’ll jump down there and kill all you fuckers. I’ll kill half of you with one hand and the rest of you will kill yourselves trying to get away from me. Welcome to Special Forces selection – Bob Howard.
I don’t know who Bob Howard is but he fires me up…. HIT SOMEBODY!!!
I’d rather we found a way to keep Goldson. Not my favorite player but certainly one of the top few safeties in the league. Any of the old guys looking for a retirement job won’t be half as good here.
RJF’s strength is his ability to backup any spot on the DL. Sopoaga will be harder to replace. What’s Aubrayo Franklin doing these days?
Hopefully, his name is Ian Williams now. If not, we’d better hope the guy we get in the draft is ready to play this year!
I like the Boldin trade. Dorsey’s a warm body. Not expecting much. Goldson got overpaid, IMO. I was also wrong about Welanie Dropper. Didn’t think other teams would cough up so much. I still see us drafting DL, OLB, S/CB and WR with the first 4 picks, depending on any further whealin’ dealin’.
Those fuckin’ Patriots….. just when you think they’re done and no longer competing, losing Welker, they sign Danny Almondwhat’shisnuts. Almondwhat’shisnuts might be better than Welker…. younger, more injured, but didn’t have Brady throwing him the football. My guess is it’s an upgrade. I can’t wait for the Patriots’ run to be over….
The Incas or the Mayans or the Aztecs…. can’t remember which one…… but one of those insane bastards used to play a death match of soccer/basketball – games would last all day and sometimes two days. The losing team would be sacrificed. Now that’s a spectator sport. My sense is, and I know I’m going the long way around the barn (it’s an art form really) but my sense is that Baalke could be playing an Aztecian death match against another GM for who could draft the better wide receiver and Baalke would lose ten out ten times, which really doesn’t make much sense if the loser gets sacrificed the first game, but you’re a little nuts like I am. You’re pickin’ up what I’m layin’ down… and you should be embarrassed.