This is what that last thread was supposed to be. The train in my mind went off the rails and went in a diffrent direction.
Anyhow, my first thought regarding Alex Smith and his future with the 49ers was Alex, who got one measly hit from Miami before this season started, would get his mill and his unconditional release on 3/31.
But . . .
The FA QB situation is dogshit. It starts at Joe Flacco and goes down in a hurry from there. Jason Campbell? Tavaris Jackson? Matt Moore? Drew Stanton??? A veritable who’s who of dreck. Flacco has proven he can beat shitty teams most of the time, and good teams once in a while, but he more than likely isn’t going anywhere, so this is good news for Smith (and the Niners by proxy if they can drum up a bidding war for Alex’s services).
Beyond that, the college QB class is bereft of anything eye-popping, or even eye-opening. Geno Smith? Tyler Wilson? Matt (Hot-tub Barkley? This could be the 1st draft in NFL history where a QB is not taken in the entire 1st round.
So, that leaves trades as the only way for the plethora of teams out there desperate for a QB to get someone. The best backup by far is one Alex Smith. He’s the 3rd ranked QB in the league, for God’s sake. Matt Flynn and Kevin Kolb could likely be on the block as well, but Kolb sucks, and Flynn is still an unknown entity.
So, who are the players out there that need QBs? Shit. Who doesn’t? San Diego could very well be tiring of the blase uncaring turnover machine that Philip Rivers has become. Alex would be a great fit with Norv Turner, but ol’ turkey neck is toast in SD. The Jets are totally hosed with the only guy in the league with MORE turnovers than Philip Rivers (47 in his last 2 years), in Mark Sanchez and his whopping 50 in the same span.
The Jets have MUCH more on their plate than just QB problems, as they have a front office that rivals the Niners in 2009. Rex Ryan distrusts the front office, and the front office is more concerned with being ‘relevant’ (see the Tim Tebow trade), and they have a team with little talent, and no leadership in sight.
Cleveland isn’t all that impressed with their geriatric rookie Brandon Weeden. Another 10 loss season will do that to folks. They have some good young talent in RB Trent Richardson and WR Josh Gordon, and a decent young defense. That would be a prety good fit for Alex.
AZ? Well, there lies the rub. Can the Niners pull something like this off if they get a good enough deal? Sure, Why not? The Iggles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins, a division rival, a few years back. This is a little different though. Smith has a lot more tread let on his tires. the Niners may be a little leery of trading him to a division rival. AZ is terrible offensively, especiall their O line. It is giving up sacks at am alarming rate, and both Red Skelton and Kevin Kolb have been pummeled trying to run that offense. Beef up the line, and get a better QB and AZ could be right back in the mix. Hence the Niners uneasiness sending him to AZ.
KC is another possibility. Matt Cassel isn’t reminding anyone of Tom Brady anymore, and is considered pretty much a bust at this point. I know little about the Chiefs, but they have some good young players. Would Alex fit there? Sure. Why not? KC will likely get a slew of new coaches after this nightmare of a season. They might shoot for an established QB as well.
So, what do the Niners look to get in a trade? A 2nd and 4th pick? Sure. Strangely enough, the Niners have upwards of 13 picks in 2013 due to trades and supplemental compensation picks. I don’t think they would know what to do with 2 more picks in the draft. Could they even concievably get a late 1st round pick? A high #1? The hope would be a bidding war broke out, and it could very well happen. I think a 2 and 4 is possible, and I have no idea who they could trade for, but the Niners do need D line depth, safety depth, and maybe a WR to hunt for in trade.
Forty Niners Forever 
Gentlemen the fortune telling window is now open for our Niners VS Seahawks weekly tilt. Step right this way and lay ’em down. Whaddaya see in that crystal ball?
RT: 37-26 Niners. This one is in the loudest Dome in the league, grudge match between those two guys. Should be a great test for Kappy, and don’t you go telling me the next day Alex would have done any better. I don’t (expletives deleted again) care. It will be a harder game than the Pats one. But the Niners 37-26.
Phil: 31-24 Niners. Kap is gonna rally these guys to pull out a tough win and the D will be ready. Hopefully JimBO doesn’t go too conservative on O or Vader on D. Enough with the injuries already though I expected more this year. Thankfully we’ve been deep enough…
27-13 Niners. Fuck Petey and the Seafucks.
Yeah really
28-17, 49ers. Until Pete the Cheat shows he can beat Harbaugh, you have to say he can’t.
49ers 31 seahawks 27
Got ya Rob
Where will Alex Smith land next year?
“And Smith will be a starter. He will be coveted by many teams around the league.
The main question is how will he exit? If the 49ers cut him, they’ll owe him $1 million. If he’s on their roster as of April 1, the 49ers must pay Smith his entire base salary of $7.5 million.
But if the 49ers can arrange a trade, they’ll likely get something significant in return. Smith is a proven starting quarterback and his base salary is very low for his position: he ranks 20th in the league behind the likes of Mark Sanchez, Kevin Kolb and Matt Cassel.
http://bllilog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/12/19/where-will-alex-smith-land-next-year/
(Ann Killion)
Would you pay $7.5 million for Smith under Romeo Crennell? Romeo is Mike Singletary. Under Mike Singletary Troy Smith beat out Alex Smith. $7.5 million looks a lot different under Harbaugh than it does someone like Romeo or Rex Ryan. GM’s know this.
In addition, by my count there are only four teams out there right now that need a qb – Arizona, the Jets, Chiefs and maybe the Eagles. I think the Browns, Titans, Vikings and a few others will go with their current starters a few more years. If there are only four teams out there looking, I’m betting those teams draft qbs. Now one of them may want a proven starter as a bridge and that’s where Smithmakes sense, but Ann Kilion’s “high demand,” and get a high draft pick or “good compensation” for Smith may be a little out of left field. I don’t know that I’m paying $8 million and trade away draft picks for a stop gap qb.
Ann Killion should stick to doing the fluff pieces, she is a terrible beat reporter. Spit I think you are coloring the Smith issue too darkly. He is a solid mid level QB. In the right situation he can be successful, as evidence look at how he has performed with the Niners since Harbaugh. I’m not a big Smith fan but denying his vast improvement is unfair. Also, suggesting he gets 4 mil a year is an unnecessary piling on of his situation. A contract value of less than half the already low ball offer the Niners gave him following his successful season? And he was doing well again this year.
If I was Alex and the opportunity arises I would take the Browns job. They have good front office guys and are on the upswing talent wise. He would be a decent upgrade over Weedon.
12th? The right situation? Don’t you mean “fantastic situation?” With Harbaugh as your coach – a former NFL qb – that’s a fantastic situation. I don’t think people give that enough weight. Wait until Smith goes someplace else.
I think “fantastic situation” is what he has here yes. It’s why I don’t weight his performance as much as some others on the blogs and why I say he is a solid mid level guy rather than a top 5 QB which is how his stats stack up. There are other situations where he could succeed too. I don’t see him repeating his achievements he has made here but that is not the same as writing the guy off as back-up fodder or a 4 mil value QB.
Really Spit? That doesn’t matter at all. Get a clue. If Crennell sees the need, he’ll do it. He’s a dolt as an offensive guy? That matters not.
Besides, this is the worst draft for quarterbacks ever. No one is going to be able to get a guy who you can plug in like Smith and get solid, and occasionally spectacular play.
Geno Smith? Right. Hot tub Matt Barkley? These guys will go in the 2nd round. You’re looking at a 3rd round guy by the time the 4th QB gets picked.
So you think Romeo would help Smith’s career? Where were Russell Wilson and Cousins drafted, Chuck?
I don’t care what Crennel does with Alex. He can make Alex return punts for all I care. It doesn’t matter what Crennel does with Smith. The point is, Crennel may want to trade for him. Crennel’s probably gone after this season anyway. If he sucks there, who cares? Yeah, Montana came out of the 3rd round. Every NFL draft has a Montana in the 3rd round. Big fucking deal. Matt Barkley is going to work out just like Matt Leinart, not Joe Montana.
Irregardless your blindness, Smith offers a good skill set for a team with a need for QB. If he hits the open market, AZ is going after him in a big way.
27-13 Niners. The D doesn’t falter.
Done
Predictions:
Smith is released and signs with KC (I see that Spit is riding my brilliant coattails on this)
27-20, Seattle. Yeah, I’m the glass half full guy, I guess. SEA is on role — playing much better offensively than the 6 points we gave up to them in October. Wilson will play much better and our D will still show a slight winded hangover from the 2nd half of the NE game.
There. I’ve done it. I’ve given us the best chance of winning by predicting a loss. How bout my FF team!
half full, half empty, what-the-fuck-ever
horse cookies – that’s my geneous.
Fucking NoFear sees Alex in a clearer way than you, Spit.
And that’s saying something. It’s laughable. This is the best scenario that Smith could have dreamed up.
NoFear is another fellow geneous so I don’t mind him being smarter on this one.
Yeah, but yer used to everyone being smarter than you . . .
Even the randomly generated avatars realize you are a douchebag . . . !
Where’s the Xmas love, Chuck? Happy holidays to you and yours!
If by ‘clearer’ you mean closer to your view, I probably should rethink it.
Perhaps . . .
You know where it is, Spitty . . .
Same to you . . .
Here’s a thought, speaking of Christmas and family and kids… weren’t we?
No matter how big and badass you are, when a two-year-old kid hands you a toy phone, you answer it.
My oldest (22) called 911 when she was 14 months old.
They didn’t ding me for the call . . .
He “under” reacted to realizing you were his father.
Asked to describe the “Hallmark” of Pete Carroll coached teams,Harbaugh deadpanned:”I don’t remember getting any cards from him-at the holidays.”
Dashon Goldson got dinged 21 large for putting the Ronnie Lott on Hernandez. Goodell strikes again.
$21 large ain’t bad. They were thinking about fining Ed Reed something like a half million dollars. Wasn’t it $400k or something? That’s ridiculous.
David Akers just got a death threat on twitter and shut down his account. My money’s on Berger. People have it out for the 49ers lately, I swear. We’re just tryin’ to win Super Bowls, baby. Don’t hate me ’cause you ain’t me…..
Naw, Berger only does crazy shit when he’s drunk. Since he didn’t post 22 times in a row on Skeeber’s blog, he wasn’t drunk. Therefore he’s innocent. Now, V from the Comical, I could almost believe, except if he didn’t do it to Alex, he wouldn’t do it to anyone.
I saw a posting from FlyingV on SF Gate blaming the Yorks for stealing the FortyNiners from Eddie DeBartalo and wishing their plane would crash. I thought that was way over the top and knew then that Flying V was certifiably and clinically crazy.
What do Razor, Wong, Dirt Diver and Bullit have to say about that ToTo?
I guess you should know crazy when you spot it.
LOL. It’s a nut house in here.
Nut house? Shit, this is nothing. Wait for the Defender of the Alex Smith Faith to show up, then we’ll start pouring Psychotic Venoms like there’s no tomorrow. Drink like Mayans tonight, boys, for tomorrow, it’s probably another thousand years of the same old shit. Too bad: the end of the world, like the barbarians, would have been a sort of solution.
As Kat sez it’s a “dementia love-fest” around here at times but I can see psychotic venom is pretty accurate too
This year and last year’s QB markets are quite different, IMO. Not much out there in collegeland. Barkley? He’s been hurt, and exposed as not the next Carson Palmer.
So, Alex’ rights should be more valuable on the supply side. On the demand side, there’s a good handful of NFL teams that are up the proverbial S Creek without a QB. So, the league demand for his services should be up. Result? Baalke should have some leverage in drumming up some competitive bidding to get a decent combo of 2014 or 2015 picks for his services. Niners have enough picks for next year, so get some high ones for the out years…
So far Alex has been a good company man, it will be an interesting scenario of events once the season is over. To me the one thing Smith has over a lot of QBs is that he really is a tough kid. He’s taken plenty of brutal hits and got right back up. For years I really wanted Smith off the team but since the Harbaugh regime he has turned into a very good QB. I wouldn’t mind having Smith stay and be our backup even though I know that won’t happen. I know Tolzien(sp) is supposedly pretty good that has yet to be seen.
Winder –
I used to like you until…….”but since the Harbaugh regime he has turned into a very good qb.” Next year it’s Kaep, Tolzien and why not draft another qb to develop? A young Harbaugh qb to develop with the intent to trade ain’t nothin’ to scoff at. Smith is damaged goods somewhat restored. But you get a big kid late in the draft with intangibles who’s really raw and sit him behind Tolzien and in two years you could be asking for a 2nd round pick for a guy you drafted in sixth. Andy Reid did it and Reid doesn’t have the chops Harbaugh has. Tolzien and Smith are similiar, but Tolzien doesn’t have the baggage and might be more athletic. And Tolzien is a whole heck of a lot cheaper.
Lol. Believe me I am thrilled at the progress of Cappy and of the firepower that comes with him. And, i would love to see Tozien take over the # 2 spot, however that really remains to be seen. If I remember correctly both me and U pretty much wanted Alex to get hit be a truck years ago.
It doesn’t matter, Spit. Smith ain’t staying. Unless Kappy drops off the face ot the earth tonight.
The fucking Raiders have like 4 picks in this draft due to their brilliant signings of Carson Palmer and Terelle Pryor.
Trade some picks to Oaktown for their pick. They will be top 5. The Niners could then grab Star Lotulelei, NT from the Utes or Jomathan Hankins from Ohio State.
That would make too much sense. Never happen. They will probably trade a couple of picks for some more established players.
The Raiders are toast for at least another two years. Darth Al left an empty cupboard, of picks, and then Hue dumped the ones they had left to get Palmer. I’ll be surprised if they don’t turnover at least half the squad this offseason. Dennis Allen is looking like he might be a young version of Mike Nolan. If I were a FA, I wouldn’t even take a call from Oakland. To be a Raider fan nowadays has to be brutal. I think back of the days in the ’70s when the Raiders were IT. And they finally got in the SB again and clubbed Minny. I don’t consider the LA days actual Raider days. I’ve not been a real fan since they moved to LA. When they moved back up, something changed and the fanbase turned from what it was before into what it is now — some kind of mix of real fans, punks, thugs and jokesters…
snarkk – I also remember the Raiders being one of the most hardnosed teams throughout the 60’s and 70’s and although I’ve been a Niner fan since the 50’s i always did apprieciate their brand of football. Nothing about the Raider organization of today reminds me of the old days
Yeah, I never liked the team back in the 70s, But I did like a lot of the players. Shit, Freddy B, The Snake, the Mad Stork, the ghost to the post. They just looked like they were having way too much fun as they beat the shit out of teams. Since the Niners got so close and couldn’t gret over the top, it really pissed me off.
Here’s the thing about Goldson’s hit on Hernandez; he did lead with his helmet and he did knock the ball loose by doing it. And his timing was about perfect. A proper technique tackle (head up, across the body, drive shoulder through player) probably doesn’t jar the ball loose.
So I understand that’s the rule now. But how does a player unlearn the instinct to knock that ball out especially against a team that’s killing you with a no huddle attack?
Goldson’s appealing the play. And, I just think this is to the point of absurdity. If Goldson keeps his head up, it’s helmet-to-helmet, even if the brunt of the hit went to Hernandez’ shoulder pad. If he puts his head down, it’s leading with the head, spearing, or whatever you want to call. it. HJow can you square someone up to hit him without your head bening involved in the hit? I understand launching one’s self like a missile to nail someone, but if you are trying to hit a moving target, sometimes you make incidental contact with the other guy’s helmet.
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