Just a new thread to kick off the battle for the NL West cellar. The Bay of Pigs so to speak.
And, in shocking news Brandon Aiyuk didn’t show up for OTAs. And in other shocking news, Issac Guerendo was injured in the offseason lifting weights, so he’ll likely start the season on the PUP list.
From there, it’s off to the pet store I guess. He and BA may never play another snap on the NFL.
Weird times indeed.
Hurts pass incomplete short middle to A.Brown was a gift . . . The only way this guy’s name would ever be in lights is if his parents had named him EXIT.
NJ49er
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September 7, 2011 at 7:40 pm (Edit)
I see this Season starting with lots of motion and ground attack.
Our OL is going to take time to adjust to the new system, however, a WCO should help them once Alex and the WRs get into the necessary rhythm.
Game 1, lots of Gore and Hunter, 9ers win a close one. I do expect Harbaugh to take some deep shots though, VD and Braylon will be a nice duo.
1 SF @ LAR Thu 09/10 · 5:35 PM
(Australia)
2 Mia @ SF· Sun 09/20 · 1:25 PM
3 AZ @ SF · Sun 09/27 · 1:05 PM
4 Den @ SF Sun 10/04 · 1:25 PM
5 SF @ Sea Sun 10/11 · 1:25 PM
6 Wash @ SF Mon 10/19 · 5:15 PM
7 SF @ Atl Sun 10/25 · 10:00 AM
8 BYE
9 Vegas @ SF Sun 11/08 · 1:05 PM
10 SF @ Dak· Sun 11/15 · 1:25 PM
11 Minn @ SF Sun 11/22 · 5:20 PM
12 Sea @ SF Sun 11/29 · 1:25 PM
13 SF @ NYG Sun 12/06 · 10:00 AM
14 LAR @ SF Sun 12/13 · 1:25 PM
15 SF @ LAC Thu 12/17 · 5:15 PM
16 SF @ KC· Sun 12/27 · 1:25 PM
17 Phi @ SF Sun 01/03 · 5:20 PM
18 SF @ AZ · TBD
TBD
Round 2-33 D Stribling WR Ole Mss
Round 3-70 R Height DE Texas Tech
Round 3-90 K Black RB Indy
Round 4-107 G Halton DT Okla
Round 4-127 C Willis G Wash
Round 4 -139 E Prysock CB Wash
Round 5-154 J Dugger LB La
Round 5-179 E Cruz OT Kan
1 – 9/7 SF 17 - Sea 13
2 – 9/14 SF 26 - NO 21
3 – 9/21 SF 16 - AZ 15
4 – 9/28 Jax 26 - SF 21
5 – 10/2 SF 26 - LA 23
6 – 10-12 TB 30 - SF 19
7 – 10/19 SF 20 - Atl 10
8 – 10/26 Hou 26 - SF 15
9 – 11/2 SF 34 - NYG 24
10 – 11/9 Rams 42 - SF 26
11 – 11/16 SF 41 - AZ 22
12 – 11/24 SF 20 - Carol 9
13 – 11/30 SF 26 - Cle 8
14 – 12/7 - BYE
15 – SF 37 - Tenn 24
16 –SF 48 - Indy 27
17 – 12/28 SF 42 - Chi 38
18 – 1/4 Sea 13 - SF 3
19 - SF 23 - Philly 19
20 - Sea 110 - SF -6
1-Mykel Williams DE - GA
2-Alfred Collins DT - TX
3-Nick Martin - LB OK ST
3-Upton Stout - CB WKY
4-CJ West - DT Indy
4-Jordan Watkins - WR Miss
5-Jordan James - RB Ore
5-Marques Sigle - S K State
7-Kurtis Rourke - QB Indy
7-Conner Colby OL Iowa
7-Junior Bergen - WR Mt
UDFAs
LB Stone Blanton, Mississippi State
RB Corey Kiner, Cincinnati
OL Drew Moss, Colorado
WR Isaiah Neyor, Nebraska
CB Jakob Robinson, BYU
DL Sebastian Valdez, Washington
1 · SF 32 - NYJ 19
2 · Minn 23 - SF 17
3 · LA 27 - SF 24
4 · SF 30 - NE 13
5 · AZ 24 - SF 23
6 · SF 36 - Sea 24
7 · KC 28 - SF 18
8 · SF 30 - Dal 24
WEEK 9 BYE
10 · SF 23 - TB 20
11 · Sea 20 - SF 17
12 · GB 38 - SF 10
13 · Buff 35 - SF 10
14 · SF 38 - Chi 13
15 · LAR 12 - SF sux
16 · Miami 29 - SF 17
17 · Deet 40 - SF 34
18 · AZ 47 - SF 24
UDFA
Cody Schrader, RB, Mo
Drake Nugent, C, Mich
Evan Anderson, DL, FAU
Mason Pline, TE, Furman
Tanner Mordecai, QB, Wis
Terique Owens, WR, Miss St
1 - SF 30 - Pitts 7
2 - SF 30 - LAR 23
3 – SF 30 - NYG 12
4 – SF 35 - AZ 16
5 – SF 42 - Dal 10 - fuck yeah!
6 – Cleve 19 - SF 17 - fuck no!
7 – Minn 22 - SF 17 *gulp*
8 – Cincy 31 - SF 17 *freefallin'*
9 – BYE
10 – SF 34 - Jax 3 boooooom!
11 – SF 27 - TB 14 boom
12 – SF 31 - Sea 13 - fuck Pete!
13 – SF 42 - Philly 19 - FUCK YES!
14 – SF 28 - Sea 16 - SQUALK!
15 – SF 45 - AZ 29 - Tweet! BOOM!
16 – Balt 33 - SF 19 - Thuuuuud!!
17 – SF 27 - Wash 10
18 – LA 21 - SF 20
PLAYOFFS
SF 21 - GB 17 @ SF - Squeeeeeek!
SF 34 - Deet 31 0ooheartattack!
SUPER BOWL!!!!!!!
Fuck
3: 87-S Ji’Ayir Brown, Penn St
3: 99-K Jake Moody, Mich
3: 101-TE Cameron Latu, Ala
5: 155-CB Darrell Luter Jr., S Ala
5: 173-DL Robert Beal Jr., Ga
6: 216-LB Dee Winters, TCU
7: 247-TE Brayden Willis, Okla
7: 253-WR Ronnie Bell, Mich
7: 255-LB Jalen Graham, Purdue
49ers 2022 Season
All games Pacific time
Home games in bold
15-5
1 Chi 19 - SF 10
2 SF 27 - Sea 7
3 Den 11 - SF 10
4 SF 24 - LA 9
5 SF 37 - Carol 15
6 Atl 28 - SF 14
7 KC 44 - SF 23
8 SF 31 - LA 14
9 - BYE -
10 SF 22 - SD 16
11 SF 38 - AZ 10
12 SF 13 - NO 0
13 SF 33 - Miami 17
14 SF 35 - TB 7
15 SF 21 - Sea 13
16 SF 37 - Wash 20
17 SF 37 - LV 34
18 SF 38 - AZ 13
SF 41 - Sea 23
SF 19 - Dall 12
Fuck the Eagles
12-8
1: SF 41 – Det 33
2: SF 17 – Phi 11
3: GB 30- SF 28
4: Sea 28 – SF 21
5: AZ 17 – SF 10
6: Bye
7: Indy 30 – SF 18
8: SF 33 – Chi 22
9: AZ 31 – SF 17
10: SF 31 – LA 10
11: SF 30 – Jax 10
12: SF 34 – Minn 26
13: Sea 30 – SF 23
14: SF 26 – Cincy 23
15: SF 31 – Atl 13
16: Tenn 20 – SF 17
17: SF 23 – Hou 7
18: SF 27 – LAR 24
PLAYOFFS
SF 23 – Dal 17
SF 13 – GB 10
NFC Championship Game
LA 20 – SF 17
Fuck this
7 picks
6 – 10
1 AZ 24 – SF 20
2 SF 31 – NYJ 13
3 SF 36 – NYG 9
4 Philly 25 – SF 20
5 Miami 43 – SF 17
6 SF 24 – LAR 16
7 SF 33 – NE 6
8 Sea 37 – SF 27
9 GB 34 – SF 17
10 NO 27 – SF 13
11 – BYE
12 SF 23 – LAR 20
13 Buff 34 – SF 24
14 Wash 23 – SF 15
15 Dal – 41 – SF 33
16 SF 20 – AZ 12
17 Sea 26 – SF 23
1: 14th (from Bucs)
DT Javon Kinlaw, SCar
1: 25th (from Vikes)
WR Brandon Aiyuk, AZ State
5: 153rd (from Miami)
OL Colton McKivitz, WVa
6: 190th (from Eagles)
TE Charlie Woerner, GA
7: 217th (from Lions)
WR Jauan Jennings, Tennessee
15 – 3
_________________________
1: SF 31 – TB 17
2: SF 41 – Cincy 17
3: SF 24 – Pitts 20
4: Bye week
5: SF 31 – Cle 3
6: SF 20 – LAR 7
7: SF 9 – Wash 0
8: SF 51 – Car 13
9: SF 28 – AZ 25
10: Sea 27 – SF 24
11: SF 36 – AZ 26
12: SF 37 – GB 8
13: Balt 20 – SF 17
14: SF 48 – NO 46
15: Atl 29 – SF 22 ooops
16: SF 34 – LA 31
17: SF 26 – Sea 21 de ja vu!
Div: SF 27 – Minn 10
NFC: SF 37 – GB 20
SB: KC 31 – SF 20
FUUUUUUUUUCK
1 Minn 24 – SF 16
2 SF 30 – Det 27
3 KC 34 – SF 28
4 SD 29 – SF 27
5 AZ 28 – SF 18
6 GB 33 – SF 30
7 Rams 39 – SF 10
8 Cards 18 – SF 15
9 49ers 34 – Oak 3
10 NYG 27 – SF 23
11 – BYE –
12 TB 27 – SF 09
13 Sea 43 – SF 16
14 SF 20 – Den 14
15 SF 26 – Sea 23
16 Chi 14 – SF 9
17 LAR 48 – SF 32
Pffffffffffffffffft
1 (9) Mike McGlinchey, OT, ND
2 (44) Dante Pettis, WR, Wash
3 (70) Fred Warner, OLB, BYU
3 (95) Tarv. Moore, S, S Miss
4 (128) Kent. Street, DE, NC St
5, (142) D.J. Reed, DB, K State
6 (184) Marcell Harris, DB, Fla
7 (223) Jul. Taylor, DT Temple
7 (240) Rick James, WR M Ten St
Regular Season (6-10)
Garoppolo 5-0
Sept. 10 Carol 23 – SF 3
Sept. 17 Sea 12 – SF 9
Sept. 21 LA 41 – SF 39
Oct. 1 AZ 18 – SF 12 (OT)
Oct. 8 Indy 26 – SF 23 (OT)
Oct. 15 Wa 26 – SF 24
Oct. 22 Dall 40 – SF 10
Oct. 29 Phi 40 – SF 13
Nov. 5 AZ 20 – SF 10
Nov. 12 SF 31 – NYG 21
Sunday, Nov. 19 Bye
Nov. 26 Sea 33 – SF 13
Dec. 3 SF 15 – Chi 14
Dec. 10 SF 26 – Hou 16
Dec. 17 SF 25 – Tenn 23
Dec. 24 SF 44 – Jax 33
Dec. 31 SF 33 – LA 13
___________________
3. Solomon Thomas, DE Snodfart
31. Reuben Foster, LB Alabama
66. Ahkelo Witherspoon, CB Colo
104. C.J. Beathard, QB Iowa
121. Joe Williams, RB Utah
146. George Kittle, TE Iowa
177. Trent Taylor, WR Louisiana Tech
198. D.J. Jones, DT Mississippi
202. Pita Taumoepenu, LB Utah
229. Adrian Colbert, CB Miami
2 – 14 (We OWN the Rams!!)
SF 28 – LA 0
Panthers 46 – SF 28
Sea 37 – SF 18
Dal 24 – SF 17
AZ 33 – SF 21
Buff 45 – SF 16
TB 34 – SF 17
NO 87 – SF 20
AZ 23 – SF 20
NE 30 – SF 17
Miami 31 – SF 24
Chi 26 – SF 6
NYJ 23 – SF 17
Atl 473 – SF 13
SF 22 – LA 21
Sea 25 – SF 23
1: 7 – Ore DL DeForest Buckner
1: 28 - Stanford G Joshua Garnett
3: 68 – Miss State CB Will Redmond
4: 133 - LSU CB Rashard Robinson
5: 142 – App State DL Ronald Blair
5: 145 – Georgia OL John Theus
5: 174 – Ole Miss OL Fahn Cooper
6: 207 – Louisiana QB Jeff Driskel
6: 211 – Florida RB Kelvin Taylor
6: 213 – Mich St WR Aaron Burbridge
7: 249 – W Ky CB Prince Charles Iworah
5 – 11? Fuuuuuck
1 SF 20 – Minn 3
2 Pitt 43 – SF 18
3 AZ 47 – SF 7 –
4 GB 21 – SF 6
5 NYG 30 – SF 27
6 SF 25 – Balt 20
7 Sea 20 – SF 3
8 StL 27 – SF 6
9 SF 17 – Atl 16
10 Bye Week
11 Sea 29 – SF 13
12 AZ 19 – SF 13
13 SF 26 – Chi 20
14 Cle 24 – SF 10
15 Cincy 24 – SF 14
16 Det 32 – SF 17
17 SF 19 – StL 16
1 (17). Arik Armstead, DL, Ore
2 (14). Jaquiski Tartt, S, Samford
3 (15). Eli Harold, OLB, Virginia
4 (18). Blake Bell, TE, Oklahoma
4 (27). Mike Davis, RB, SCar
4 (33). DeAndre Smelter, WR, GT
5 (29). Bradley Pinion, P, Clemson
6 (14). Ian Silberman, OL, BC
7 (27). Trenton Brown, OL, Florida
7 (37). Rory Anderson, TE, SCar
8-8
1 9-7 SF 28 – Alice 17
2 9-14 Chi 28 – SF 20
3 9-21 AZ 23 – SF 14
4 9-28 SF 26 – Iggles 21
5 10-5 SF 22 – KC 17
6 10-13 SF 31 – StL 17
7 10-19 Den 72 – SF 3
8 BYE WEEK
9 11-2 StL 13 – SF 10
10 11-9 SF 27 – NO 24
11 11-16 SF 16 – NYG 13
12 11-23 SF 17 – Wash 13
13 11-27 Sea 19 – SF 3
14 12-7 Oak 24 – SF 13
15 19-6 Squalks
16 30-27 SD – fuck, I don’t care
17 SF 20 – AZ 17
1 (30). Jimmie Ward db NlU
2 (57). Carlos Hyde rb Ohio St
3 (70). Marcus Martin c USC
3 (77). Chris Borland ilb Wisc
3 (100). Brandon Thomas ol Clem
4 (106). Bruce Ellington wr SCar
4 (129). Dontae Johnson cb NC St
5 (150). Aaron Lynch olb S Fla
5 (170). Keith Reaser cb Fla Atl
6 (180). Kenneth Ackercb SMU
7 (243). Kaleb Ramsey de BC
7 (245). Trey Millard fb Ok
PRE 8/08 Donkeys 10 – SF 6
PRE 8/16 SF 15 – Chefs 13
PRE 8/25 SF 34 – Vikes 14
PRE 8/29 SF 41 SanDawgs 6
—————————————-
01 9/08 SF 34 – GB 28
02 9/15 Sea 29 – SF 3
03 9/22 Indy 27 – SF 7
04 9/26 SF 35 – StL 11
05 10/06 SF 34 – Hou 3
06 10/13 SF 32 – AZ 20
07 10/20 SF 31 – Tenn 17
08 10/27 SF 42 – Jax 10
09 Bye Week
10 11/10 Carol 10 – SF 9
11 11/17 NO 23 – SF 20
12 11/25 SF 27 – Skins 6
13 12/01 SF 23 – Rams 13
14 12/08 SF 19 – Sea 17!!
15 12/15 SF 33 – TB 14
16 12/23 SF 34 – Atl 24
17 12/29 SF 23 – AZ 20
PLAYOFFS (2-1)
1/5/14 SF 23 – GB 20
1/12/14 SF 23 – Carolina 10
1/19/14 Sea 23 – SF 17
Not again!
1 – Eric Reid – LSU – S
2 – Tank Carradine – Fla St – DE
2 – V McDonald – Rice – TE
3 – Corey Lemonier – Aub – DE
4 – Quinton Patton – La Te – WR
4 – Marcus Lattimore – SCr – RB
5 – Quinton Dial – Bama – DE
6 – Nick Moody – OLB – Fla
7 – B. J. Daniels – So Fla – QB
7 – Carter Bykowski – Iowa S – OT
7 – Marcus Cooper – Ruts – CB
W Sun 9/9 SF 30 – GB 22
W Sun 9/16 SF 27 – Det 19
L Sun 9/23 Minn 24 – SF 13
W Sun 9/30 SF 34 – NYJ 0
W Sun 10/7 SF 45 – Buff 3
L Sun 10/14 NY 26 – SF 3
W Thu 10/18 SF 13 – Sea 6
W Mon 10/29 SF 24 – AZ 3
. . . . . . . . . . . Bye . . . . . . . . .
T Sun 11/11 SF 24 – StL 24
W Mon 11/19 SF 32 – Chi 7
W Sun 11/25 SF 31 – NO 21
L Sun 12/2 StL 16 – SF 13
W Sun 12/9 SF 27 – Mia 13
W Sun 12/16 SF 41 – NE 34
L Sun 12/23 Sea 100 – SF 3
W Sun 12/30 SF 27 – AZ 13
Playoffs
W Sat 1/12 SF 45 – GB 31
W Sun 1/20 SF 28 – Atl 24
Super Bowl
Sun 2/3 Balt 34 – SF 31
The horror. The horror . . .
All time PST
1: WR A.J. Jenkins — Illini
2: RB LaMichael James — Ore
4: OL Joe Looney — Wake Forest
5: LB Darius Fleming — ND
6: S Trenton Robinson — Mich St
6: OL Jason Slowey — W Ore
7: DE Cam Johnson — Va
Sun 9/11 SF 33 - Sea 17
Sun 9/18 Dal 27 - SF 24 (OT)
Sun 9/25 SF 13 - Cincy 8
Sun 10/2 SF 24 - Philly 23
Sun 10/9 SF 48 - TB 3
Sun 10/16 SF 25 - Det 19
Bye
Sun 10/30 SF 20 - Cleve 10
Sun 11/6 SF 19 - Wash 11
Sun 11/13 SF 27 - NYG 20
Sun 11/20 SF 23 - AZ 7
Thu 11/24 Balt 16 - SF 6
Sun 12/4 SF 26 - StL 0
Sun 12/11 AZ 21 - SF 19
Mon 12/19 SF 20 - Pitt 3
Sat 12/24 SF 19 - Sea 17
Sun 1/1 SF 34 - StL 27
Playoffs
Sat 1/14 SF 36 - NO 32
Sun 1/22 NYG 20 - SF 17
1. Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri
2. Colin Kapernick, QB, Nevada
3. Chris Culliver, CB, So Carol
4. Kendall Hunter, RB, Okla St
5. Daniel Kilgore, OL, Appa St
6. Ronald Johnson, WR, USC
7. Colin Jones, S, TCU
8. Bruce Miller, DL/FB, Ctrl Fla
9. Michael Person, OL, Mt Ste
10. Curtis Holcomb, CB, Fla A&M
Anthony Davis T
Mike Iupati G
Taylor Mays DB
Navorro Bowman LB
Anthony Dixon RB
Nate Bynam TE
Kyle Williams WR
Philip Adams DB
Forty Niners Forever
I’ll admit I’m enjoying a bit of schadenfreude over this disaster Buster is sitting on top of. He is the owner of this debacle, not ownership. I do feel a little shitty about that. After all, he is arguably the one player most responsible for bringing us the 3 in 5. I also appreciate that he’s rarely showboated his rightwing Christianity. But, unlike 99 % of the fanbase, I did not dig the dismissal of Zaidi. The arrogance of the “I’m a real baseball guy” takeover, as if Buster had something genuinely useful to offer that a Berkeley PhD who observed how and helped LA put things together didn’t, was off putting. And pretty laughable.
Kinda sick and tired of listening to alleged team spokesman Logan Webb. He got Kap fired after complaining about card games in clubhouse and then last year beached that Giants weren’t a .500 team and there goes Melvin and his crew. Little did he know how right (and wrong) he was. All new coaching staff and…what do you have now? .500 seems like pipe dream. stfu and pitch.
Yeah, moving on from managers is always pretty much irrelevant. Another thing the Dodgers understand. Although I don’t like Vitello’s dismissiveness of advanced stats, I’m not really down on him, either. I just feel sorry for him. It’s a really big paycheck, but he was already making good money at Tennessee.
Kapp largely got fired on the final weekend of the season because Farhan needed a fall guy. But, I’m with you on Webb, generally. He needs to pitch better. The advent of ABS is not his friend. He’s lost a lot of called strikes that weren’t really strikes before.
I hope he improves back to some semblance of his prior form so he can get traded before the upcoming deadline. His best value right now to this POS team is to be dealt to get prospects before the expiration date on his success kicks in. I doubt if droves of fans walkup at Oracle to buy tickets or ticketholders delay a vacation because they heard Webb is today’s starter.
Cox up …
Bophucki DFA’d. Embarrassing signing.
Brennan to Sac.
Probably more to come in the next few weeks to fight the freefall…
James apparently wants Farhan back.
Buster, who literally and legally IS ownership — who let Farhan turn the Giants into a turnstile roster of anonymous schlemiels for half a decade — may turn into Farhan II to try to stop this continuing train wreck. And, that’s OK as long as the players are farmhands, not sloppy seconds from other organizations…
You mean he didn’t commit to Devers, Chapman, and Adames? It’ll be interesting to see how Harrison, Eldridge, Schmitt, Roupp, Tibbs and a couple others turn out over the next few years. Staying at 500 waiting for results from the farm without committing big bucks to players descending out of their prime may not have been the dumbest way forward. It’s worth mentioning that as far as name recognition goes, the bore core was there for over half of that “half decade.”
James, you are missing the forest for the trees here. Trying to pin this entire freaking situation on Buster Posey while completely letting Zaidi off the hook makes zero sense. You can’t have it both ways: you can’t praise Zaidi’s analytical background while ignoring that his six-year tenure was an absolute failure that directly created the mess the team is in today.
In MLB, culture, strategy, and financial backing start at the very top. The Giants are one of the richest, highest-grossing franchises in the entire league, and ownership sets the budget, hires the front office, and defines the organizational philosophy. If the roster is barren and the team lacks star power, that is an ownership failure for tolerating half-measures just to keep luxury tax payments low and stadium gates reasonably full.
There’s also a massive flaw in comparing Zaidi’s time in Los Angeles to what happened in San Francisco. The Dodgers and Yankees operate in a completely different financial stratosphere when it comes to covering up their mistakes. When they make a bad trade or sign a bad contract, their ownership groups immediately write a massive check to buy their way out of the problem, DFAing a multi-million dollar mistake without blinking. Giants ownership has never shown that same willingness to aggressively spend through their errors. Under Zaidi, the Giants spent years shopping in the bargain bin, hoarding platoon players, and trying to execute a “smart” rebuild without ever committing the heavy financial resources necessary to compete with the heavyweights.
To call the dismissal of Zaidi a mistake is a total rewrite of history. He had six full seasons to implement his vision, and outside of a magical, lightning-in-a-bottle 2021 season, his tenure was defined by uninspiring baseball, a rotating door of waiver-wire utility infielders, and a complete failure to develop homegrown elite talent. Fans stopped showing up because the product on the field lacked any identity or competitive fire, not because they hated analytics.
Claiming Buster has a laughable or arrogant “real baseball guy” attitude completely mischaracterizes who he is. Buster didn’t just barge into the front office to show off a resume; he was practically begged by ownership and a frustrated fanbase to step in because the franchise had completely lost its way. Buster didn’t create this debacle—he inherited it. The current flawed roster, the bloated contracts, and the institutional rot are the direct leftovers of the previous regime. Acting like a three-time World Series champion and an MVP has nothing genuinely useful to offer an organization trying to rediscover its winning culture is what’s actually laughable.
The bottom line is that you cannot insulate a general manager from a six-year failure, nor can you blame the new guy for the house burning down when he just walked through the front door. Ownership hired the leadership that failed, refused to spend the heavy capital required to mask those failures, and ultimately let the franchise drift. Buster is there to fix ownership’s mistakes, not the other way around.
In short, what you said is complete, unadulterated bull shit.
“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
Specifically, I refer to your 8:12am . . . Bullpen ERA is often, if not mostly a bullshit stat. Runs that the pen allows in by not holding – frequently go to the record of the starter. If “Joe Blow” Giants reliever comes in with the bases loaded, and gives up the slam, the starter gets 3 of the 4 runs added to his ERA, despite the fact that Joe Blow didn’t do his job.
How about OPS against?
Starters: 755
Bullpen: 689
How cool would it to actually be named Joe Blow?
I was at a high school graduation in a small rural town this weekend, and one of the names I thought I heard called out was “Oak Church.” I looked at the program later and saw it was actually “Cole.” But I was very impressed for a while.
So, Pen ERA is pretty much bullshit.
If OPS against is better, then Pen pitchers logically would be better than starters, which is patently contrary to 100+ years of baseball reality. That stat doesn’t consider context of the situations pitched. Relievers have one job, not give up runs for the short stint they are there. Starters, even these days, are tasked to keep the oppo in check for as long as pitch count and stamina allow, so that the Pen is not needed in that specific game as long as possible. Doing so sometimes means the starter is less aggressive situationaly or even purposely gives up a run or two to stop a rally, which leads to more OPS against.
The only stat that means much of anything anything for a reliever is holds/no holds and saves/blown saves. OPS against maybe is meaningful to compare Pens to Pens, not Pens to Starters.
The bullpen has pitched 200 innings, the starters a little over 300. The bullpen has been more effective in its innings than the starters have been in their’s. Feel free to apply whatever tortured logic to those facts that you wish.
Says the pot calling the kettle black…
Even for SPs ERA isn’t be all end all of pitching stats in this day of analytics. In case of pen guys that have much smaller sample size that can get blown out of proportion for one bad outing, there are other stats that might say more about how well they’re doing, or not.
As a more predictive stat, Eno Sarris likes K/BB per 9; FIP takes what pitchers can control (HRs BBs Ks) and folds it into a metric that might tell more about results should be given better D behind him.
Different ways of looking at overall performance.
There is plenty of blame to go around. I doubt anyone in the FO now or prior should get off scott free. No one or two people could make the team this bad.
I do like the fact we called up some kid from AA though it just might wake some people up.
Ditto.
He may not be up long, but I hope they give him a real exposure to playing and taking ABs. Maybe he’ll be up as long as Bader is out.
I’d rather see Cox than more of Brennan.
For sure Winder&Snarkk this is a total statement on how shitty are AAA players are! Cox has really good numbers batting .400 /452obp/over 1,100 OPS is fast 27steals not that that matters on team that’s doesn’t know what the word steal means?
Any way a first for sure since no AA player was even eligible to come up, I’m hoping for Davidson next but probably needs alittle more AB’s but Cox is easily an upgrade imo over Breenan,McCray,Badura?,Turner somebody..
Let’s start fucking hitting Rockies hitters, Jesus Susac drilled in the head, thought their was some blood, but the crack medical staff leaves in him..When is the last time the Giants really hit some guys, that’s part of their problem. ,
Vitello is so freaking clueless he does this with every starter trying to get 5 innings out of them every time winning are losing with pitch counts out of control (Ray 95 in 4?) nobody warming up again?Ray throws one away while gassed that scored 2 runs,same old Giants looking like garbage 🗑️
Giants going off with a crooked number inning. Get more, you need it at Coors…
Great call by Miller on Adames slam. Still has the enthusiasm…
Yeah he’s a treat.
Adames sure blew that move up.
Ray’s thinking wtf 11-3 lead and I can’t get a win cause I chucked 96 pitches in 4 innings,what’s another 25 I need a win.Now it’s loser Beck and instantly they score a run..
Yankees just put up a 13 run inning vs A’s…
wow. Keep the dood in there, V.
this lead isntt safe
Eldridge drives one 151 yards…
Exit velocity: 93.8494 knots
That’s hilarious.
Resounding! 1-0 in the Cox Era, gents…..