And with it the hopes and dreams of the Bay Area sports world. Sad to say it has come to this what with the Giants in terminal suck mode, the Warriors dynasty crumbling with the aging of superstar Steph, Dray, and Jimmy B; and whoever the 12 guys are who follow the Sharks as they skated through another playoff-less season.
Of course with the OTAs come the inevitable injuries. This team has wallowed through about 25 seasons of injuries in the past 7, and the hope is they figure something out that isn’t the same crash-and-burn scenario. Stretch more? A little more contact in practice? Better offseason prep?
I don’t have any clue their preparation and such but to keep doing the same thing and seeing the calamities that befall this team season after season is amazing in its consistency. I think they got more trainers or something. Huzzah. Maybe tinfoil helmet liners are in order to deflect the massive amount of EMFs coming off the PG&E power station next door.
Speaking of consistency, the Giants are finally consistent. Consistently awful. They get to go to their favorite place on Earth. Denver. Where large leads go to die horrible deaths, and well, the battle for the cellar begins now.
Forty Niners Forever 
My issue with Borg isn’t Borg himself. He’s obviously incompetent. It’s the decisions that went into hiring him in the first place. Whether it was Tony V’s call or Buster’s (who I suspect is the culprit here) it is a clear example of nobody in power having any idea what the fuck they are doing. Get rid of Borg, obviously. But the much darker issue is Buster’s decision making problem. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, gents…..
I listened to Tony V on the morning KNBR show today and he basically said “We were worried another org was going to snap Borg up so we gave him the 3rd base coaching job.” I sat there in my car dumbfounded. So they were worried he might leave the org and their response was to give him one of if not THE most important job on the coaching staff. LMAO. We are run by fools and buffoons….
Yeah, I heard that, too. Tony V had never met the Borg until Spring Training, so he had nothing invested in the guy, yet agreed to have this guy be his 3rd base coach, one of the critical coaching positions. Clearly Tony had no clout in that decision, else he’s BSing the interview to deflect blame.
Regardless, the Borg has to go. Just give him another BS consulting job somewhere in the organization, or he can leave. This is an easy call for a good team. If they don’t move him, it shows they (Buster) are afraid to admit a mistake, and would rather take more losses at his hands than admit something. That’s incompetence…
Hey Craig. Looks like you picked the right time to kill the Flap. Jesus. This team is in what looks to be a 3 year shit cycle. At the least. We are the Pittsburgh Pirates West. In it for the revenue sharing money.
Borg (never heard of him) sounds just like Shanahan drafting Jake Moody in the 3rd round because he heard a rumor that Belichick was gonna draft him early in the 4th. Ridiculous.
There is NOWAY another organization was interested in CyBorg he was hanging around the minors for years before the Giants decided to give this chump a chance!
And then their Stupid Ass GM Minisan goes on the air ( probably in an attempt to hold on to his useless job)to hangs out V when asked about who is in charge of setting the LU, Oh that’s all on Tony?
It’s a hot steaming turd how dysfunctional this team is from the FO to players and coaches all thru the system.Last are near last in EVERY Offensive category, they can’t even draw walks anymore (dead last by a mile) No speed,No Defense,Can’t run the bases, players playing out of positions.SP’s ERA all over 5 except Roupp,BP starting to crater fast as well..
Something has to change and soon. I was thrilled when we hired Buster but things are not getting better. We are going through the same problems we have had for 4 years now it’s just way worse this year. I think I can feel how Cleveland Browns fans feel. If we fired both V and Posey tomorrow I would feel bad for em but also understand it. We are supposed to be a professional team.
As far as OTA’s go we had better not get a bunch of injuries caused by air. I can understand some muscle tweaks and things like that but iirc we don’t put pads on until TC.
Wasn’t it RB Wilson who blew his knee out putting on his pants?
I really can’t remember but it sounds familiar. I do remember a few of them were just running in shorts and tore their ACL’s I know some were cutting but still it was air.
Yeah i said it in the last thread that it really is a sad time for the Giants. Unless Buster somehow has nailed these 2 drafts, this team is gonna be a 90+ loss team for the foreseeable future.
The owners could give 0 fucks about the status of the team. My first reaction to the Buster hire was that he was simply a figurehead to the good times of the past. Kinda like John Lynch and the Niners.
Buster seems to be doing what he can, but man, how long have we all been complaining about the lack of drafting, player development, and simple baseball knowledge of the guys coming up?
It has been an issue for the last 3 regimes. But MUCH more so now.
Here’s my take on Buster. I was excited he was hired. But I do not work in professional baseball. I don’t have any fucking idea how to build a winning team. So while I supported him at first I don’t feel hypocritical in saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing and we need to pull the plug on this entire experiment NOW. It’s clear he’s in over his head. He said when he started that he wanted a “gritty grimy bunch.” So, basically he wanted a team off “himselfs”. When that didn’t work he had no secondary plan and that is why we are stuck where we are with ZERO end in sight. This is the epitome of wandering in the wilderness except it could go on forever…..
I agree the entire big picture of where this turd (on the field and baseball-wise) of a MLB franchise is — is now really revealed. There are endless ways to criticize this team, players, coaches and front office management alike. Such as, being last in MLB in steals. 14. What? 1/3 of a season gone and 14? JH Lee — no steals. Apparently, he has no ATTEMPTED steals. Zero. This guy is earning $19 million per year. How is that even possible? Just another head slapping stat that supports “we suck”.
The big picture is like Chuck mentions above and many of us have said repeatedly over the past decade. We are watching a real estate company run its baseball division. Max profit, max marketing and PR, minimize attention and development. Their actions, or should I say, lack of actions, not their words, shows that this ownership does not give a S about what happens on the field. Why SHOULD they care? It’s logical they don’t. I said years ago this ownership was in the process of “Cub-ifying” the Giants. Mindless fan fealty and endless butts in seats come to enjoy the great ballpark. Sit in the sun while you google your ass off on your iPhone protected from a foul ball hitting you with the foul line nets. Or, get loaded, pull your shirts off and sing bare-chested as we’ve seen the last week, regardless of the S show always on the field. The Cub-ization has come to pass and now is in full view.
The SF fan base that keeps filling the seats and buying $20 beers regardless of on-field performance has given Johnson and the rest of the swells that have pieces of this organization no reason to improve the product. “Break even” on the income statement is said in public as an acceptable owner’s goal, not a championship. The underlying financials though, are better than “break even” because they keep spiking the value of their partnership shares, while the team has been nothing but mediocre and boring for a decade.
Farhan and his turnstile roster bullshit got fired because fan anger rose against the anonymous shitty players, but now with Buster installed as the figurehead for management to temper fan anger for a while, bad FA acquisitions have led the last 100 or so games over two seasons to a team in complete disarray on the field. The achieved Cub-ization has turned into a fraud on the fans, but they don’t seem to care. As the law says, if there is no actual or perceived injury, there is no remedy.
So, I don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel for revival to sustained baseball success under this Johnson-led ownership. He, his MAGA father and most of rest of the near-anonymous ownership “partners” probably think the 1776 Slush fund is a great idea.
That’s really what is so sad. Any one of us couldn’t really do much worse. And some would even be markedly better. Yeah, the whole ‘building a farm system from scratch’ is out of our wheel house, but again, we’ve seen the same failures for the last 3 regimes. Bad drafts, clueless players, and the endless call-ups and send-downs for marginal players until they run out of options and go to other teams.
And sometimes thrive. Mauricio Dubon would be 2nd on the team with his 29 RBI.
Kyle Harrison and his 6-1 record and 1.57 ERA as well.
And let’s not forget Dom Smith. The guy we didn’t have room for.
5 HRs, 24 RBI, .324 BA.
They can’t seem to find, develop, or nurture the talent they have.
The last decade of poor to mediocre performance — 4 GM regimes, 4 field managers, scores of coaches, scout reductions/turnover, hundreds of players in/out of the 40 man roster. The commonality is ownership.
Hey we can’t forget James Tibbs lll a first rd pick LF/1B now of course snatched up by the Dogpile (Farhan has his name all over this move) is hitting.308 AAA with 12 HR’s 16 doubles 2 triples over 400 OBP and 1000 plus OPSin 50 games! Just another Giants fuckup letting omg an outfielder that can rake instead of laughable Pelvic Thrust Gilbert,Brennan Who? Can’t hit even off a tee ball ,Rodriguez experimental and fail concrete glove.
Knew that name sounded familiar. Mr. Tibbs was part of the Devers trade. One of Farhan’s successes traded away by Buster.
Fixes have to start with pitching. Even if giants could send out all the underperforming hitters (newsflash, not happening) they aren’t getting back ML level players to help right away.
Pitching is different and mostly disappointing. Dump Ray as soon as possible, leave McD in rotation, promote Whis and see what else you have in Sac who might help beleaguered pen. Make a decision on Mahle and Houser (signed to 2 years) and hopefully shuttle one of them off to middle relief. Webb and Roupp are top half of decent rotation.
They play in big yard and have lot of midweek night games (summer in SF) where it’s not conducive to high scoring slugfests. 2021 was great one off (200 HRs!) but it’s not happening again. Pitching and D can still win even when bats are mostly silent.
Unfortunate that Posey’s one great get of the offseason, Arraez, is good candidate to be dealt off. But if they decided against that, saw suggestion they could QO him; payout if he took it would be $20 mil+ (nice raise over 2026) and if he signed elsewhere they get comp pick back.
I agree pretty much with all of that. But, helpful as they would be, they are band aid territory. The problems are deep and wide. The majority of these vaunted AA and high A prospects and any prospects to be had for Ray, Arraez et al better pan out, or the Giants are hosed for another decade.
MO the guy who also should be dealt is Webb. He’s on the verge of aging into a decline, but now still should fetch one or two good prospects. Deal him. It helps the future of the Giants, and does him a service to get onto a better team where he can pitch for a contender the next few seasons.
That would be a shame. You know Webb wants to be here. Local kid and all.
I’ll tell you one thing, that stadium will be empty when it is a 55 deg night game against the fucking Angels. As much as they are banking on casual fans, the floor will drop out shortly if this shit continues.
They will still do pretty good on nice Saturday and Sunday games, but I remember even during the 2021 season that the paid attendance for a D-Bags game was announced at 23,000 but butts in seats was like 12,000. By the 5th inning (8-1 after the 1st inning, and a major blowout by the biting vaginas) it was about 7,000.
Yeah, I keep wondering how long the fans keep showing up. They have for a decade, and I think there is a certain number that will show up no matter what — like Cubs fans and MAGA diehards.
I don’t see how Giants ownership thinks this current S show with old vets stinking it up and losing on a downward spiral is better and more attractive to non-die hards than a “rebuild” with young players losing, but learning while messing up on the job. Even dumbass fans should know the young ones are improving game by game towards a competitive team in future. If the Giants have done some sort of survey or focus group study on those alternatives, I think it’s wrong if it has concluded it’s better to stick with the declining vets option.
The Giants farm system does appear on rise. RCs are 11 games over .500 and AA and High A teams are doing even better than that. Keith Law has 3 of their guys (beside Eldridge who is already up) in his latest top 50 prospect rankings. He said he’s “sanguine” Kilen (High A) can continue to hit for high average, and has Josuar Gonzalez at #7 and Luis Hernandez the other SS at 39.
I guess every generation has their own golden years. I am sure that the real old timers would consider the 20′-40’s the best. Personally I think the 50’s-70’s were the best. I used to love listening to the Giants games when we played the Cubs.
I used to be able to talk 49ers here. Oh well. I might need to try and find a new site.
Don’t leave, Berger. We’ll figure it out. Unca’s been very accommodating to us Flap orphans but it’s really not fair to the loyal Niner fans (and Unca) who’ve been here for years. I think it was Blade who first anticipated this problem…
Berger don’t worry soon as the Niners have some news it will be talked about. Even with the OTA’s there is not much going on. I did read that most everyone looked good today except Kirk, Stribbling(sp), and they said that Ferrell might be the worst player on the team.
Bergs, let me know when there is actual 49ers news to talk about. OTAs are here.
People seem to be coming around to the Stribling pick. I’m actually fine with it. Other than that, there ain’t much to talk about. Hoping Morris creates a lot more pressure than we saw with the last 3 DCs.
What do you have?
I’m noticing that for a while the normal 49er posters have not posted. I like reading their comments, but they are gone.
Well, I don’t know where they went or why, but it is pretty dead in the football world. I hope they will be back when more football news hits the wire.
It’s usually pretty slow anyway.
also don’t forget about Kai Wei Teng. That dude showed promise last year, he’s got incredible spin on his sweeper, and they just tossed him away for some low level catching prospect AND they sent money to Houston. Teng is pitching again today, btw, so you can watch him dominate for Houston and wonder why he isn’t pitching for us instead of the terrible Mahle or House’d
Yeah noticed how well he’s done recently in their rotation, so somebody else got him sorted, theme surrounding some former Giants. Today in TA Brisbee said (knowing it’s unlikely to happen) Giants should extend Arraez, who would fit in as mentor with any group around him, rebuild or no, as example of how to play the game the right way.
totally agree. He’s only guy beside Schmitt worth watching hit (while playing stellar D) and seems loved and respected by all. When the young IFs do arrive he can be Eddie Kasko to new version of Joe Morgan.
And of course OF Wade Meckler 6-18 HR/double/SB 3RBI’s .333 Angels
Will Brennan 2-23 .O87 both weak ass flairs enough said ..
SF the place where ballplayers go to die.
kinda like Florida for oldies
Just heard that even if the Giants crater all season and normally would end up with a very high draft pick in 2027, that will not be the case. Because they are a lux tax paying team, under new rules they will be barred from having a top 10 pick in the draft, regardless if they earned one with a crap 2026 season. More evidence of the issue really not so much a lack of roster spending, but a bunch of stupid roster spending.
But as the geezer orphans know, every few years the Giants surprise you with a good season like 73, 78, 82, 86, 93, 97, 09, 21…
Yikies. Meckler was DFAed for Houser.
The guys they keep are absofuckinglutely brain dead. But Dirty Harry is dealing now, and it seems the league is littered with guys tossed away by this organization for turds like Cutch, Houser, Tibbs, etc for guys that ain’t cutting it.
Although Devers is heating up.
Meckler is a AAAA player, at best. The typical kind of Giants’ farm OFer — a guy that doesn’t move the needle, but good enough to hang around because the OF at the big club level is never much good.
Bulletin from Giants central:
Turns out resistance is not futile
The Borg, he is out. Vamos, raus, outta here. He has been “reassigned”. To what or where — TBD, I guess. Wotus takes over indefinitely.
Surprise? NO.
On field baseball necessary? Yes, absolutely.
PR move as well? No shit.
Does ditching your “new” third base coach 1/3 into the season mean anything? Yeah, embarrassing as hell, shows dysfunction at about every level imaginable…
Conversely, Giants icon (albeit, a poor 3rd base coach) was allowed to remain until the end of last season, where he either got canned with Melvin or left on his own accord. Dunno . . . Wiki is unclear about that.
I think it is very possible that Vitello went to Buster and demanded Borg be removed. I would have. Vitello has had to answer for Borg screw ups multiple times, making Vitello look responsible. Vitello basically said the other day he had little to do with hiring Borg, didn’t even know the guy and relied on management saying Borg should be the coach, basically as a reward to a long-time system guy. Never mind he had limited experience at 3rd, none in MLB. Ultimately, this was a clusterF that IMO is on Buster/Minasian.. The disaster it turned into was unfair to both Borg and Vitello, making both look bad.
https://x.com/PavlovicNBCS/status/2060444552796700833?s=20
thanks Mac. Just saw Baggs is on it in TA. Wotus it is!
Hah! Wotus is back!!!
erp! day late, buck short.
DFA Chappie next. Fuck him and his bloated contract.
Man, that would make my weekend. Ehh, I mean month.
Question . . . Do you remember during the first or 2nd week of the season, Chapman saying something to the effect, “Catch the fucking ball?” Was it Schmitt he said that to? Or, someone else? Not certain if the player was playing 2nd base or 1st base. I know it was some reserve player.
Forget it. It was Schmitt (I just asked AI) . . . During the second game of the 2026 season on April 1, San Francisco Giants third baseman Matt Chapman was caught on camera angrily telling teammate Casey Schmitt to “catch the f—–g ball” after a costly throwing error at first base. The viral on-field exchange occurred at Petco Park during a game against the San Diego Padres. Manny Machado hit a slow chopper down the third base line, which Chapman charged to field. Chapman made a running throw to first, but the ball sailed past first baseman Casey Schmitt.
How their roles have changed – Schmitt playing like a “superstar” and Chapman like a chump.
This was a week ago, but still…
https://x.com/SFGiantsCove/status/2058361627863548382?s=20
Whoa! Nice find Mac!
Well hallelujah it’s about time!! Hector Borg is GONE!! lol shipped out to a developmental role in places no one knows are cares!
And here we go more moves Ron Wotus takes over as 3rd base coach .Phatom injury for Mahle ( left hamstring strain take plenty of time) Brennan 087 back to minors.
Webb goes tonight and Lee is activated to hopefully help the pathetic outfield ..
If anyone needs a good game its webbie.
New thread is up…..