Still think it’s bullshit though. Two 1st round picks for a guy who will likely get hurt and miss 6 games? Pass. He brings a lot of talent to the table, but he also brings a shit-ton of garbage. News to me is the fact that Seattle is in the race to get him, and they are, according to Jason LaCanfora.
Shanny has already said that he doesn’t need a ‘Julio Jones type’ guy, but everyone in the league seems to think ODB’s a perfect fit here. I get it, I just don’t think he’s worth what he thinks he is. Or what the Giants think he’s worth.
My only thought is that John Lynch is trying to drive up the asking price for the Rams and Seahawks. I like Lynch being aggressive, but this one isn’t a good thing. I’d rather draft a guy than go after Ol’ Dirty Beckham.
I guess life in LA isn’t all peace, love and granola . . .
Rams see their window open for another run in the Division. Niners should get another good draft and try and take them on. GO TEAM!
when chuck changes the thread just after you post
The plucking of former Seattle D-players continues.
We’ve added LB Korey Toomer from the LAC Gus Bradley D.
Dick,Malcolm,Jeremiah now, Korey.
Are we now the Official wayward home for ex-Seahawks?
At this point they are camp fodder.
I just hope the Rams implode. I would have rather seen the Rams get OBJ instead Cooks.
Gotta be a reason Belichick dealt him?
Not good enough for Tommy but, good enough for Goff?
OK Winder – I think I’m done for this Draft –
No specific order involved – Just the guys I’d think are worth consideration –
Late RD/UDFA –
Andre Chachere, CB, San Jose St. Height: 6-0 Weight: 197 40-Time: 4.49
(6.78 Cone) (38″ Vert) (13 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/ya9hjwn9
Parry Nickerson, CB, Tulane Height: 5-10 Weight: 182 40-Time: 4.32
(15 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/ya3jwazr
Arrion Springs, CB, Oregon Height: 5-10 Weight: 200 40-Time: 4.38 (19 Reps Pro Day)
Grant Haley, CB, Penn St Height: 5-9 Weight: 190 40-Time: 4.44
(6.51 Cone) (34″ Vert) (15 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/y76ae3uh
Michael Joseph, CB, Dubuque Height: 6-1 Weight: 187 40-Time: 4.52
(6.89 Cone) (17 Reps) (34″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/yacdq2xo
Dee Delaney, CB, Miami Height: 5-11 Weight: 200 40-Time: 4.46
(6.95 Cone) ( 32.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/y7qe2axs
Linden Stephens, CB, Cincinnati Height: 6-0 Weight: 192 40-Time: 4.38
(7.15 Cone) (34″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/y7cz66b7
Siran Neal, SS, Jacksonville St.Height: 6-0 Weight: 206 40-Time: 4.56
(7.00 Cone) (17 Reps) (40.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/yaklnnmx
Troy Apke, S, Penn St. Height: 6-1 Weight: 200 40-Time: 4.34
(6.56 Cone) (41″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ybjmg7uq
P.J. Hall, DT, Sam Houston St. Height: 6-1 Weight: 310 40-Time: 4.95
Kemoko Turay, DE, Rutgers Height: 6-5 Weight: 253 40-Time: 4.65 –
Jullian Taylor, DT/DE Temple – Height: 6-4 Weight: 295 Time: 4.83
(31 Reps) (33″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/yapmxbfg
Ade Aruna, 3-4 DE/OLB, Tulane Height: 6-5 Weight: 262. 40 Time: 4.60
(1.60 Split) (7.53 Cone) (38.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ya2fc6cu
Marcus Martin, DE, (ILB) (FB) Slippery Rock Height: 6-1 Weight: 250 40-Time: 4.69
(32 Reps Pro Day) (33″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/yambyksr
Darius Leonard, OLB, (ILB) South Carolina St Height: 6-2 Weight: 234
40-Time: 4.70 (17 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/ycs9mkry
Davin Bellamy, OLB, Georgia Height: 6-4 Weight: 255 40-Time: DNP
(15 Reps) -https://tinyurl.com/yatdhy89
Darius Jackson, OLB, (ILB) (FB) Jacksonville St. Height: 6-2 Weight: 242
40-Time: 4.87 (7.52 Cone) (21 Reps) (26.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ybjdarkj
Roc Thomas, RB, Jacksonville St. Height: 5-10 Weight: 198 40-Time: 4.56
(35.5″ Vert) (16 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/y85tcfuk
Justin Jackson, RB, Northwestern Height: 6-0 Weight: 199 40-Time: 4.50
(6.81 Cone) (13 Reps) (38.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/yajwbjry
Nyheim Hines, RB, North Carolina St. Height: 5-8 Weight: 198 40-Time: 4.38
(7.18 Cone) (9 Reps) (35.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/y92y2ayu
Christian Sam, ILB, Arizona St. Height: 6-1 Weight: 244 40-Time: 4.75
(7.03 Cone) (28 Reps) (32″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ycsbxd4j
Josey Jewell, ILB, Iowa Height: 6-1 Weight: 234 40-Time: 4.82
(6.80 Cone) (18 Reps) (33″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ydgsznba
Micah Kiser, ILB, Virginia Height: 6-0 Weight: 238 40-Time: 4.66
(7.05 Cone) (35.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ydd3m3r6
Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis Height: 5-11 Weight: 201 40-Time: DNP
(22 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/y84uhajb
Marcell Ateman, WR, Oklahoma S Height: 6-4 Weight: 216
40-Time: 4.62 (7.07 Cone) (13 Reps) (34″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/yd4nswb8
Daurice Fountain, WR, (Slot) Northern Iowa Height: 6-1 Weight: 210 40-Time: 4.50 – https://tinyurl.com/y7gsuswa
J’Mon Moore, WR, Missouri Height: 6-3 Weight: 207 40-Time: 4.60
(6.56 Cone) (21 Reps) (38″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/ya85qb2p
Tre’Quan Smith, WR, Central Florida Height: 6-2 Weight: 210 40-Time: 4.49
(6.97 Cone) (12 Reps) (37.5″ Vert) – https://tinyurl.com/y8mnuvar
Keith Kirkwood, WR, Temple Height: 6-3 Weight: 221 40-Time: 4.46 (35″ Vert)
Homework Complete for 2018 😀
Chuck I may have clogged up the spam filter with all the links again?
looks like a good pick up to me !
Toomer’s best season was in 2016 when he registered 75 combined tackles, a sack, two passes defensed, and three forced fumbles in 13 games and eight starts. He was the most efficient run-stopping linebacker in the NFL (among players in on at least 100 run snaps) that year, stopping 14 percent of the 177 run snaps,
They are free, NJ!!! Thanks again for your draft diligence.
NJ- It’s gonna be fun to see where some of your guys go. It’s really hard to sift through all the bullshit that the professional draft guru’s spit out. I am pretty much convinced that you know just about as much as they do.
That’s what is so funny about this. You get past the first 10 picks, and no one is right about anything. Mel Kiper can blather all he wants, but is doesn’t mean shit. If anyone is over 2% accurate for all their picks, I’d be surprised.
This draft looks even crazier. People are flying to the top of the board for a QB so we may very well end up with Chubb or Nelson. 2 guys I’d think we had no shot at.
If I had a few days, maybe a week, I could assess every team’s needs and come up with a cogent strategy for all of them.
Esp if I was getting paid $50,000 for being 1% right.
Yeah, and it has been like that forever. I always thought that Kiper was the worst QB evaluator I ever saw.
I have no idea what Mel Kiper makes, but I’m sure it’s a shit ton better than $50,000. Fucking weasel.
Wish I’d have gotten ahead of Mel in terms of ‘selling’ the Draft hype Chuck.
He’s made a pretty good living making predictions.
Like a weather forecaster, no one knows a thing until it happens.
All about stats and some good luck most of the time.
Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback.
Been doing this forever.
Started with the Annual Pro Football Weekly Draft Edition in the 80s. Simply to get My Son interested in the ‘numbers’ the GMs worked with.
Whole lot more fun in the Digital Age, with televised Combines and, on-demand access to just about anything you need to know.
The only problem was bill tobin really sucked
That was weird
Lol, I love you tube, where else can you find shit like this.
Half the concerts I went to in the 70s are on youtube
I’m so glad we don’t need a QB in this year’s draft. I don’t think any of them are as good as Trubisky or Watson from last year. Trubisky was so much better and polished looking than any of these guys it is ridiculous. Watson was as good of a big game QB as we have seen in a long time.
We were so lucky to get Groppo I can’t believe it. He is better than even Trubisky or Watson. The football Gods gave us a break!
It was Belichick . . .
A great coach and now with that trade a great friend.
I’m so all over the board for our first pick. I think as long as it isn’t a WR or a QB I’ll be good with the pick. My preference is to trade back 3 to 5 picks. I’m thinking Will Hernandez but there will still be much to choose from at that spot. That pass rusher from UTSA looks good.
Moving back seems to make the most sense to me also. Working in a lower rd 2 spot would be really helpful. Since we are in the middle of core building getting the most low rd picks is the way to go. That is of course unless the FO is totally in love with someone at 9.
Chubb , Edmonds , Nelson or trade back !
One of those 3, likely Edmunds, will be there.
God I love it when we beat the stinking Dodgers that way
That was freaking awesome. 12 pitch AB and 9 fouls. Welcome to the GIants,Andrew McCutchen.
That was a epic AB for sure. I sure hope he has a big year for the Giants. Power sure makes the difference.
Anyone watching the Masters? This is insane. Mickelson with his driver on the fairway.
I’m not sure why but I’m rooting for Berger!
The real (maybe) intrigue will involve the NYG at 2 –
If they stick, I see Nelson or Barkley going there (if they opt to pass on the QB)
Kinda hoping they DO pass on the QB so the interest levels rise for Teams seeking one.
If NYG leave Barkley, Cleveland might be in line to grab him at 4. Otherwise, they steal another position like Chubb.
We’re expecting NYJ to go QB at 3, Denver then has to decide on a QB (or possibly Chubb).
I think our biggest obstacle comes at 6 with Indy.
IMO, they’re the most likely to deal down for extra Picks.
Especially if Nelson and Chubb are gone.
I’m not expecting to see Nelson or Chubb at 9 no matter what happens.
Holding out hope that Minkah lands in our lap, if he gets past TB and Chicago.
If he’s off the Board, I’m hoping there’s a QB someone covets enough to offer us a deal.
Not sold on CB DWard that high personally. There’s so much depth in this DB Class that I think there’s serviceable options beyond RD1.
Either way, we’ll get someone worthwhile at 9 if we stand pat.
Edmunds/Davenport are young and will need time but, I think they stand the best chance to start in rotational situations given the Vets we have in place.
Fat Man in the Middle (Vea) is always a solid building block too. He, or Da’Ron Payne wouldn’t kill me.
If Mayfield survives until 9, I’m seeing reports that Bill has interest.
Not so sure I’d want to fall back to 23 however.
Be nice if Miami had interest in Mayfield and, would cough up 11 & 42 to get him.
It would piss off Bill if we put Mayfield in South Beach but…….That’s business.
Looking forward to the RD1 FUN 😀
I like your thinking!
Here’s the possibilities I’d consider if the opportunity arises –
From the accepted ‘Trade Values Chart’ –
Future 1 = 1000 Future 2 = 420 Future 3 = 190 Future 4 = 70
Current Picks –
9ers 9 = 1350 / 59 = 310 = 1660
Miami 11 = 1250 / 42 = 480 = 1730 (we get 11&42 – Give back a Future 4 = Dead on DEAL)
Buffalo 12 = 1200 / 56 = 340 / 96 = 116 = 1656 (we get 12,56 & 96 – Close enough)
Pats 23 = 760 / 31 = 600 = 1360 (we get 23&31 straight up for Pick 9 – While keeping 59)
Gotta hope NYG, Cleveland, or Indy, doesn’t sell out of Slots 2,4 or 6 for these scenarios to work –
We need the QBs to slide past Denver.
Hoping Barkley/Nelson & Chubb eat those slots.
Need NYJ to go QB too.
Indy shouldn’t be seeking a QB – Which gives them first shot at dealing with someone who does.
So many variables of course….No way to know until it happens.
If QBs go 1,2,3,5 it gets dicey, unless Mayfield remains until 9 and, his services are in demand.
Cleveland goes QB, at either 1 or 4, if they’re fearful of losing out on Barkley to NYG.
Leave it to McCloughan to snatch Mayfield for Cleveland too.
This really should be one of the more interesting drafts. It really could be a feeding frenzy for QB’s. It wouldn’t surprise me to see all 5 of em gone by 9. No matter what scenario plays out we should be in a position to trade back with someone or pick a top rated player.
The fifth QB is the Vick clone from Louisville
One of the so-called “experts” feels that the USC QB is the best QB in the draft. To me all of them have risks of being a productive QB at the NFL level. What are your thoughts?
I honestly don’t know. What I do know is that many USC and UCLA QB’s flop in the NFL. If I was to pick one I would go Allen 1st or Mayfield if Allen was gone.
GIants need a QB above all else.
What i think happens is the browns go Barkley at 1 and Josh Allen at 4. Thats is their best bet.
That is possible. It depends on how bad they want Allen. I don’t think he will make it to 4.
One of the 3 QBs will make it to 4 if they take Barlkley first. It’s a no-brainer.
Mayfield smacks of Manziel. I didn’t see enough of him though.
That’s the rub with Mayfield Chuck. He’s extremely straight forward, undersized as well.
One thing no one disputes is his passion to win.
I’ve read that McCloughan is all in on him too, which puts the thought in my head, that Cleveland could wait until 4 to get him.
Putting them in the position to secure Barkley at 1 rather than run the risk of losing him to the NYG.
Gonna be fun to see what unfolds but, I’m not completely sold on the NYG taking the QB at 2.
I’m willing to bet they’d have interest in Barkley, however, if gone, Nelson, (possibly Chubb) would be my next guesses. Chubb became an option with the recently completed deal to send JPP to TB.
Berger I’m high on Hernandez as well. He’s not Pick 9-worthy IMO and, could be gone if we slide back too far in RD1.
I’ll offer you a consolation if we miss Hernandez.
From my List – Here’s a comparison to illustrate my thinking –
Will Hernandez, OG, U.T.E.P. Ht: 6-2 Wt: 327 40-Time: 5.15 (1.76 Split) (37 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/ycnzd24f
Skyler Phillips, OG, Idaho St. Ht: 6-3 Wt: 324 40-Time: 5.10 (1.76 Split) (7.95 Cone) – https://tinyurl.com/yccxw54m
And, a guy from your neck of the woods that made ‘final cuts’ for me –
Austin Corbett, OG, Nevada Ht: 6-4 Wt: 306 40-Time: 5.15 (1.76 Split) (19 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/yax52q93
A number all these guys had in common, was in the Shuttle run. Changing directions.
Hernandez – 4.70
Phillips – 4.69
Corbett – 4.50
Their Splits were all identical as you can see also.
Stack them against Quenton Nelson – His Shuttle was 4.62
Above all, OGs need the ‘Nasty’ ingredient. Nelson has that in spades.
I’ve liked trading down for Hernandez for a while now.
Got this guy as a potential OT to OG conversion too –
Moved very well at the Senior Bowl IMO – Very mobile guy, probably a tad too short to play OT at the Pro Level?
Joseph Noteboom, OT, (OG) T.C.U. Ht: 6-5 Wt: 309 40-Time: 4.96 (1.72 Split)
(7.65 Cone) (35 Reps) – https://tinyurl.com/yc9k9fk2
Excellent Shuttle time of 4.44 – Good arm length of 34-3/8″ as well –
It all depends on which QB Cleveland wants. I think the Giants trade out of the 2 spot to team that wants a QB. So that mean Barkley is there at 4. So if Cleveland pinpoints a particular QB they will take him at 1. Barley is a game changer but not as much as a franchise QB.
I’m thinking all this ‘smoke’ from Cleveland related to Josh Allen is curious WInder.
Allen (to me) isn’t Top Pick worthy. Stats that scare me, his poor record against better Defenses.
McCloughan has been on record saying Mayfield is his guy. Hands down.
Given all the Picks Cleveland has at their disposal, they should get this QB Pick right after all these years. Can’t buy Allen as the Savior, unless they gamble and wait on him.
But, then again, it’s Cleveland for a reason. They’re notoriously poor at filling the QB position.
I think the NYG could be tempted to deal out, I just don’t think Buffalo would sell out to leap-frog the NYJ?
Certainly has some intrigue to it, as both Buffalo and NYJ are QB needy and, big time in-State rivals.
NJ- Could be right. Allen is a study in progress and has the potential to really be a special NFL QB. It won’t happen this year and may never happen.I think McClouhan is the one blowing the smoke, that’s what he’s been doing for years. Anyway, I never get the draft right. So I am just blowing smoke myself.
We all do Winder – That;s what makes it fun.
We get to speculate on things we have no control over and, it almost always does something no one can comprehend, until it happens.
2 Teams who notoriously eff it up are in the Top 5.
The Mistake by the Lake Browns and, the NYJ….. J-E-S-T Yuk,Yuk,Yuk.
I see we had an Ivy League candidate in for a visit – Maybe an ILB/SS candidate?
With Scotty McLiquor in the fold, I think Cleveland gets this right. If Scotty’s blowing smoke for Allen, it is to get the Giants/Jets to bite on him. That would leave Darnold or Rosen for the Browns at 4. With a guy like Barkley, the QB won’t have to be super spectacular. Just able to move the chains and hand the ball off.
Very happy we aren’t a part of this clusterfuck at QB.
New thread is up. . . .