Rumor Rumor, Who’s Got a Rumor?

Well, it ain’t much but word on the (Matt Barrows) street is that the Carolina Panthers are interested in our #2 pick in the draft. They have the 8th pick and there’s no word what else we would get but last year in the same trade last year between The Eagles and the Browns, the Eagles got  the second overall pick, and the Browns fourth round pick, and the Browns got the eighth overall pick, plus the Eagles third and fourth round picks, as well as the Eagles first and second round picks in 2017.

The Eagles really wanted that 2nd pick to get Carson Wentz, and got him. The Browns? Well, they are loaded for bear in this draft. But we’ve said that before. But they look to get Myles Garrett, so unless they trip over their dicks yet again they look to get a very good edge rusher.

What that means for us, if it even happens, is a mystery. But more than anything we need high draft picks this year. High draft picks that turn in to starters. They appear to be doing things right, and I like the players we have gotten so far, but there’s nothing to write home about. Hoyer and Hot Tub aren’t going to remind anyone of the Montana/Young days but I certainly feel better about things than I did a year ago.

And no, I’m not playing Rumors by Fleetwood Mac.


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56 Responses to Rumor Rumor, Who’s Got a Rumor?

  1. Winder says:

    chuck, for that to work out they would have to give us their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and they would still owe us some points. maybe a 3rd for next year. I would do it for their 1st, 3rd, and 4th this year, plus their 1st next year

  2. Nipper says:

    Take a pass rusher and be done with it. Trading down for a lot of other picks doesn’t make sense unless the goal is to get a lot of bodies. Get quality and so keep that 2nd pick if that player is out there.

    • Winder says:

      I dunno nip, we got a lot of holes to fill, not so sure there is a big difference between 2 and 8. It really all depends on who they want. I hope it isn’t the DE from Stanford because I don’t think he’s all that great.

      • Nipper says:

        I agree if the quality player is not available then trade down. Still if a trade is made then the other team wants a quality pick and is willing to pay for him. If the defensive picks are out there the Niners should take them despite the offensive needs. Get quality at all costs.

  3. Winder says:

    I do think if we trade back and go QB it will be Kizer. At this point Nip I do agree that we should get the best player available whether it be defense or offense. We gotta stockpile good players before we can actually compete with some of the better teams.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    If they trade down I think they go WR. Mike Williams to be precise. I’d like to see that. We can sit on a QB till next year.

    Once again, Buwwitt reads my thread and calls it his own in Putin’s play pen.

    • Winder says:

      I would be very ok if we got Williams. I still hope we draft offense with most of our picks. But I would still rather have a shot with Davis. Williams neck injury doesn’t sit to well imo. You know he’s gonna get hammered at least once a game.

  5. unca_chuck says:

    In lieu of summarizing I’ll pull a Buwwit and post the link.

    Here’s a great comparison of Mike Williams and Corey Davis.

    Davis may be a little faster but you can’t teach size . . . and in the BCS game, Williams was awesome.

    Actually I won’t pull a Buwwit. I’ll actually give an opinion.

    I think Corey Davis is the guy to go with. Route running is VERY important and he looks faster.

  6. Berger says:

    What’s with the Barkley and hot tub comments. Did I miss something? I know Matt Leinart was harassed for a hot tub incident as a rookie. Did you get the two mixed up?

  7. Berger says:

    Stay at #2 overall and take Trubisky.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    No, same first name, same college, same shitty QB.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    Texas Tech’s Pat Mahomes is the talk of Kyle Shanahan apparently. He’d be there in the 2nd round is the idea.

    Word on the street is:

    “He’s got a great arm, big balls and he’s mobile. He is going to drive his head coach crazy for the first couple of years and there is no getting around that. If it clicks for him and he’s coachable, I think he could become a special quarterback.”

    I can’t attest to the size of his balls.

    • Winder says:

      Smoke and mirrors. I have heard people say they think Mahomes is the best of this years class with the most potential. Who wrote that he had big balls? That is funny.

  10. Berger says:

    I just watched 25 minutes of video on Mahomes. I did not see him throw one receiver open. He has a big arm but not accurate deep. Throws off his back foot more often than not. Has quit a huge load up before throwing. He reminds me of a poor man’s Brett Favre. He is very athletic. His big arm has him waiting for receivers to be open before he throws. I guess some call that big balls? I call it a no go in the pros. He does have enough athleticism and a big enough arm that somebody will probably take him late first round. I can’t see him running a precision offense. He’ll be good for a coach who runs an old fashioned run offense who needs to be bailed out on 3rd and long. He will keep a play alive and find an open receiver, at least in college.

  11. unca_chuck says:

    And you want Trubisky? He’s untested and Inexperienced. 13 starts? Too many inexperienced college QBs struggle in the pros. Mahomes was starting games as a true freshman. Plus Trubisky couldn’t beat out Marquise Williams for Gods sake. He didn’t win the job til he was a senior.

  12. unca_chuck says:

    I’d rather trade out and get 4 picks for the #2 spot and get Mahomes later. Trubisky may not even BE tub worthy.

    • Berger says:

      If that is your opinion that is fine. I just don’t agree. Trubisky will be a star with the right coach. Mahomes won’t be a star with any coach.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    No, it’s Fred’s opinion. Of course it’s my opinion. I wouldn’t draft a QB this year. I don’t want either of them. Mahomes has hit the radar as a guy we might get, though. Just passing along the news.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Beyond that, Shanahan is the one that went to Mahomes’ pro day, and is showing interest. I’m not making this up. If he pulls the trigger on Mahomes, well, it’s on him. He’s a high risk high reward guy. As I said though I wouldn’t take either of them. Trubisky is a MUCH higher risk with the 2nd pick in the draft. If by some chance we do draft him, he’d better not play for a year or 2 as I don;t hink he’s ready by any stretch.

    If Trubisky is good why was he the 2nd best QB on his college team for 2 years? Dare he be compared to Alex Smith?

    • Winder says:

      I think some people have already made the A. Smith comparison. I wouldn’t consider Smith being tub guy.

    • Berger says:

      I can’t speak for the NC coach. Maybe he was afraid if he played him Trubisky would leave earli8er and knowing he already had a good QB in front of him he sat Trubisky so he would get an extra year. NC was a bowl team in 2015 with an 11-2 record. I guess if the coach is a dumb fuck he switches QBs. I go by what I see, not what the pundits are saying. Trubisky has all the physical attributes to be a great QB in the NFL. Quick release, sound mechanics, throws receivers open, athletic and recognizes pre snap mismatches. Thing is, I can’t interview him. If his interview went well at the combine I guarantee we are mulling taking him.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Let me have what you are smoking.The point remains, if Trubisky is so good, why couldn’t he beat out Williams? College is about getting the best players on the field, not stashing them in the background for later. Even though they did exactly that by redshirting him as a freshman. He’s a 4 year guy (including his redshirt year) with 13 starts. He has little experience. You think he’s faced multiple disguised coverages that he’ll see in the NFL? No.

        He’s yet another shotgun QB who will have to learn how to drop back from center. Hey, they all do from college. My point is, I’d rather risk drafting a guy later and not blow the #2 pick on a guy with little experience. Sure he looks good. So did Blaine Gabbert coming out of college. And 20 other washouts in recent memory.

      • Berger says:

        I put it in writing on the blogs that I thought Gabbert would be a first round pick but I did not want him. He had flawed mechanics and big balls that caused too many turnovers in the clutch. If the best you can come up with for Trubisky is he only started one year then obviously he is good. You are proving my point. Thank you!

      • Berger says:

        Your problem could be you are smoking anything you can get your hands on. A rehab from mock drafts might be recommended for you. A prescribe the real draft at the end of the month. We could all use that rehab!

    • Berger says:

      I did not read anywhere that Shanahan went to Mahiomes pro day. Can you provide the article?

  15. Berger says:

    Matt Ryan was the MVP of the league. He doesn’t have a big arm. He worked with Shanahan. Ryan and Trybisky are very similar except Trubisky has a quicker release and a better arm and is more athletic. Again, it comes down to the interview. Ryan had a lot of leadership traits. Does Trubisky? I don’t know the answer to that. It will come down to exactly that.

  16. unca_chuck says:

    Shanahans the one talking up Mahomes. I happen to agree with him.

    I’ve heard comparisons of Trubisky to Gabbert and Young Sir Alex. Get back to me in 3 years.

  17. Berger says:

    I just read a quote from John Lynch that validates my feeling about our D-line and last years coaching. I keep saying we have good D-linemen who were being misused. Baalke drafted athletic playmaking linemen and our dumb ass coach used them to read and react. Square peg meet round hole. Here is Lynch’s quote.

    “I think us cutting some of these guys loose; I’m excited to see an Arik Armstead when he’s in attacking posture as opposed to sitting on his heels. Some of the things he was asked to do, not that they’re wrong, we just feel like his best assets can really be brought out. That goes for a lot of these guys.”

  18. 12th Man says:

    Partly because I’m excited about Shanny and Lynch and the new direction and partly because I miss being at the Niners games as much, I went all in and bought season tickets again.
    I want to see 4 or 5 games this year, hopefully more, and it would be nice if they win a few of them.

    • Winder says:

      Hopefully it will turn out to be a good investment. I think it’s a good move. I still remember the 1st game that Fred Dean was a 49er. It was the Dallas game and no one thought the Niners had a chance. By halftime Candlestick was rockin. I hadn’t heard that kind of noise in a long time. The fans were so loud that the players on the sidelines were looking at the stands instead of the game. They were loving it and eating it up. And believe me those players were fired up. Maybe, just maybe with enough support and some players we can get close to that again.

      • 12th Man says:

        I had season tix at the stick Winder, seen some games where the crowd was seriously rockin and went home horse myself. I doubt this new stadium will ever see that kind of of fan participation, its sort of sterile by comparison although to be honest the only game I’ve seen there that gave the fans something to yell about was the first half of the Cowboy game last year so maybe seeing some success translates to volume. I guess I’ll see.
        Kevin has season tix so he would have a better opinion of it than me.

        I don’t understand why there’s no ring of honor or any visible celebration of the history of the team and its great players, outside of the museum. Those are the things that add value IMO.

      • Winder says:

        12th- I have never been to the new stadium. Literally been living on a rock. But I am back on the mainland now and hopefully can get down there to see a game sometime. The culture of the team has to change and so does maybe the culture of the fans. Good time to start that change this year.

      • Berger says:

        Winder- You hit that nail on the proverbial head! I am sure the reason we hired Lynch was to change the culture.

  19. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, the sight lines are great, the stadium looks cool from the inside. There’s tons of vendors and bathrooms and shit but it looks like an erector set from the outside. there’s nothing around it but light industry. No neighborhood feel at all. Kezar was the greatest at that. The Stick? No, but at least you went there for the sole purpose of going to a game and hanging out with friends. Tailgating and hanging out.

    Santa Clara has none of that feel. Terrible location.

    • 12th Man says:

      Yeah not my choice for venue either Chuck but worse is the lack of “feel” to the place. I hope Winder has it right and the new guys change the culture across the board. Early days but its been a sea change from Baalke in FA thats for sure. As a bonus I got pretty nice seats for a lot less than I was expecting.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Yeah, there’s that. The first season, seats were $200.00 for crappy ones. I got a 40 yard line seat for $95 last year. In the sun, but still not bad. . .

      • Nipper says:

        You can work on your tan. Winning will help create an atmosphere. Better players should help in winning. And no Baalke should count for something. The paper sacks can stay home and the flying banners overhead from planes can leave town too.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up

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