To Kill A Mocking Draft . . .

Despite the ridiculous clamor for the 49ers to draft a quarterback (Trubisky? Uh, no. In a logical world, he falls to the mid 2nd round, and DeShaun Watson is a mid 1st rounder), there is also a lot of traction behind a guy who I really like in Salomon Thomas, the DE coming out of Stanford. He had a great senior season, a great Fiesta Peach Bowl (whatever), and an even better combine to raise his stock. Granted, they’d likely reshuffle the D line should they get him, but that is not a concern when getting as sure fire a guy as he is.

Other than that, what do you guys think? What do our first 3 picks look like?

My thought is something like:

  1. S Thomas – DE Stanford
  2. Dan Feeney – G Indiana
  3. Jarrad Davis – LB Florida

I know we need offensive help, but I like the FAs we’ve gotten so far, and I’m sure there will be more WRs out there once the draft is over.

Pass rush is my biggest concern overall, and when we did get some pressure, we played better. Therefore, Salomon Thomas. Local kid. Great guy. He’s our dude.

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42 Responses to To Kill A Mocking Draft . . .

  1. unca_chuck says:

    If Trubisky is there in the 2nd (possible but not likely), I’d take him in a New York minute.

  2. Nipper says:

    My guess only ……..the 2nd pick will not be a QB. The team has too many needs.

  3. unca_chuck says:

    My point is that if he is there, he’s a value pick in the 2nd round (not the #2 pick, Nip).

    I highly doubt it when you look at Carson last year. He wentz from a mid-high 2nd rounder to the #2 pick overall.

  4. Winder says:

    I don’t know WTF we are going to do. But I wouldn’t pick Thomas with the 2 pick. He’s not the best player on the board/ That would be Adams the Safety. He just might be the next Ronnie Lott. He’s a leader and we need those. What I hope we do is trade out of the 2 spot for a couple of 1st rd picks. i know there is only one or two teams that could do that but I still would like to draft the best WR with the first pick and pray that Mccaffrey is still there with the other one. After that it’s a toss up.

  5. unca_chuck says:

    Well, I guess it really hinges on whether they truly feel that Ward can man the FS position.

    If he’s their guy, then I don’t see them going safety. But sure it could happen. About the only thing I’m sure of is we don’t go QB with the second pick.

    • Winder says:

      Yeah, it is difficult to figure. They could go a lot of ways. Thomas really didn’t have that wonderful of a year. He just finished strong. I am a Stanford fan from way-back but i don’t like drafting them to high for the most part. At least not the way the conference is played. I would gamble kind of high for Mccaffrey but I wouldn’t go the # 2 spot for him. I would love to get him and the WR Cory Davis. But that really isn’t realistic. They will both be gone by pick 18-20. Anyway, this draft is more fun for me than it has for years.

  6. NJ49er says:

    That’s my preferred move as well, get TN on the hook for our 2, take their 5&18.
    I’m going to throw a fit if we select a QB at 2. None of these guys will start immediately anyway.
    Get a free Pick with a move down and then I’d feel better about taking a chance on a QB in RD1.
    My favored options still remain Jon Allen/Hooker or Adams.
    Need an impact player at slot 2 if we stick.
    I’d live with Thomas over Allen if they chose to go that route as Thomas is my Top DE, followed by Tanoh Kpassagnon.
    TK is raw but looks like a current version Bruce Smith to me. Chiseled block of granite.

  7. NJ49er says:

    I’m also somewhat perplexed on how to stock a 4-3 vs 3-4.
    Seems the 4-3 wants a pure edge guy over a guy that can play in coverage.
    Hence my list is somewhat longer than I normally construct them.

    Solomon Thomas DE Stanford 6-3/273
    Tanoh Kpassagnon DE Villanova 6-7/ 289
    Taco Charlton DE Michigan 6-6/277
    Derek Rivers DE Youngstown St 6-4/248 (OLB?)(4.61/1.61Split/30Reps/35Vert)
    Tarell Basham DE Ohio 6-4/269 (OLB?)
    Trey Hendrickson DE FAU 6-4/266
    Charles Harris DE Missouri 6-3/255 (OLB?)
    Takkarist McKinley DE UCLA 6-2/250
    Daeshon Hall DE TAMU 6-5/ 266
    Jordan Willis DE K-State 6-4/255

  8. NJ49er says:

    I could see Lynch having a soft spot for Thomas and Stanford in general.
    Great motor with Thomas, just have concerns with his size vs value at Pick 2.
    Jon Allen has that B.Y. quality about him IMO.
    Inside or outside flexibility is nice option to have.

  9. NJ49er says:

    Still love Corey Davis too.
    He’s not a top 10 Pick but, I’d love to have him if we can position ourselves in the top 15-20.
    Slotting is the key in this game of roulette.
    Wouldn’t mind putting Haason Reddick next to Bowman either.
    Again, he’s not a top 10 candidate either.
    2nd RD might be too late for him but, TK could get to 34?

  10. unca_chuck says:

    Thorough as usual NJ. Always appreciate your draft knowledge. My problem with Thomas is armstead would likely move inside. Not sure if he’s big enough to play inside. He would need another 20-30 lb.

    And yeah I’d like to see Thomas at 285 coming off the edge. Don’t think that’s a problem.

    • Berger says:

      Moving Armstead inside will work just fine. We have very athletic, playmaking D-linemen. Last year they were used for 2 gapping. IOW, misused.. Remember me bitching about it all year.

      Two gapping does not require athleticism as much as not being able to be moved. We will use our D-line to make plays this year and our LBs will need to cover the gaps. We did the exact opposite last year.

      Basically what I am saying is we will be doing a lot more shooting of gaps this year so we can disrupt plays in the backfield. At least that is what I have read so far. I hope they do what they are saying.

      Question is, can our LBs cover the lanes left open by the D-linemen trying to make plays?

  11. unca_chuck says:

    More than anything the pass rush needs to improve s lot.

    Yeah I’ve been advocating offense in the draft but the impact guys st the top of this draft class are pass rushers.

  12. Winder says:

    Chuck- that is probably true, but good defensive guys are there every year. The reason I want Mccaffrey so much is I really think he could be the next Hugh McElhenny. And when you pass on guys like that it always comes back to bite you. Of course maybe he won’t do that good in the NFL I don’t know. But I think he has the skills to really work a KS system. He can go lateral and downhill. There are a couple of special WR’s that would be real nice to have also. If we stick at #2 i would take Adams. Getting a cover guy/leader will automatically make our pass rush better and I doubt WR’s would want to go over the middle.
    NJ- once again thanks for all your draft knowledge/information. I am paying a little more attention to it this year.

  13. Winder says:

    A little bluegrass. old and in the way memories

  14. unca_chuck says:

    McCaffery should be there in the 2nd round. Or trade down and get him at 17.

    Unless Cleve somehow passes on Garrett I think we trade down the more I think about it. We need as many high pick that we can get.

  15. Berger says:

    1st rd. Mitchell Trubisky In the right system this guy will be a star in the NFL. Risky for the meek. The right pick for a coach who can develop and design mismatches. Enter Kyle Shanahan. This kid sees mismatches and strikes fast with his quick release. A great QB is hard to come by and this kid just might be the next great QB. This kid has the ‘it’ factor.

    2nd rd. Raekwon McMillan Prototype MLB with ideal size. Bowman could be a great OLB in a 4-3.

    3rd rd. Evan Engram Versatile TE can create mismatches. A lot like Delaney Walker.

  16. unca_chuck says:

    I’ll bet you $100.00 we don;t take Trubisky…

  17. unca_chuck says:

    Not really. I just don’t think this crop of QBs is worth a plugged nickel. Trubisky especially.

    We are not taking a QB with the 2nd pick. We either get Myles Garrett or we trade down. Maaaaybe Jamal Adams. But a QB? Not this draft

    • Berger says:

      That is what they said about Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers. They are both still starting and Rodgers is considered the best QB in football by many. I don’t jump off the cliff with the mock drafters, I go by what I see. Trubisky is worth a #2 pick. The only knock they can come up with is he has started for only one year. If that is the best they can come up with he must be good.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    I mean we’ll both be wrong but we aren’t taking a QB.

  19. NJ49er says:

    Berger I’m down for Engram at TE just for his speed – VD-like, perhaps a tad small however.
    Pretty much done on my TE work – Here’s what I got…..

    Bucky Hodges TE Virginia Tech 6-6/245
    Evan Engram TE Ole Miss 6-3/234 (4.42)(WR?)
    Eric Saubert TE Drake 6-5/247
    Michael Roberts TE Toledo 6-4/261 80-3/4″ Wingspan / 11-5/8″ Hands
    Adam Shaheen TE Ashland 6-6/278

    • Berger says:

      It is possible Engram will be there at our third pick but I would imagine he will be gone. We might take him with our 2nd pick. KS likes having versatile players so he can isolate mismatches. Engram is perfect for that. Thing is, I really like the LB I picked. He is also a huge need for us.

  20. NJ49er says:

    If it were me, (and I could swing the deal with TN), I’d look for a combination of a Defensive piece and Corey Davis, depending on who’s left at 5.
    Might find Davis at 18 but, that’s risky.
    Davis at 5 would work for me personally. Not sure how Shanny feels about him of course.
    Just going to sit back with a cold one, and some friends on Draft Night and, see what happens.

    • Berger says:

      You have never answered my question, who does Tenn want at #2 that they would make that trade? It is not going to happen.

      • Berger says:

        For you to have any credibility that this trade could happen you would first need to identify who Tenn wants so badly at 2 that they would part with a 5 and 18.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    The games I saw Trubinski play he was slow and late at times. Much like Jared Goff.

    And I sure wanted Rodgers over Smith back in the day. Mainly because Csl played a pro style offense back then and Smith was in the run and gun.

    • Berger says:

      There is no comparison between Trubisky and Goff. Goff had very inconsistent mechanics. Trubisky keeps his poise under pressure. I’d rather have Cal’s Webb over Goff. I have never seen Trubisky slow. Late? OK, I’ll give you that, but that is the product of starting one year. By the end of the year you did not see that. He will need to sit a year or two but QBs with talent and the ‘it’ factor are not common.

  22. unca_chuck says:

    Tenn needs WRs. Maybe they do a Julio Jones deal to make sure they get their guy Corey Davis. We certainly are looking at him. Maybe they want to make sure they get a top CB. Say Marlon Humphrey from Alabama.

    Hey it could happen.

    • Berger says:

      I don’t agree but at least somebody is making the case! There are no #1 WRs. There are three at the top. One will be there at #5 and even at 18.

  23. Winder says:

    Everyone is saying this is a defensive strong draft. But I think 6or 7 offensive guys go in the first 15 picks. I don’t know who Tenn would want so badly at 2 but I sure hope they do that deal. Heck, we might even do a deal with Cleveland if they want the 2 spot badly enough they do have picks. Our offense is so anemic that we almost have to address it with our first few picks. If KS feels there is a QB good enough at 2 then I am all for it. Otherwise it would be prudent to take the best player available since we have so many holes.

    • Berger says:

      I agree with your statement “If KS feels there is a QB good enough at 2 then I am all for it.” I’m just making the bold prediction that KS will want him.

      • Winder says:

        He just might. But I think the flavor of the day is Kizer. All it seems to take is a good ;pro day and your in it seems

  24. unca_chuck says:

    Winder, I think scheme plays a part in this as well. I think the defense is better than what they showed. The defensive coaching last year was terrible. Stopping the run isn’t as hard as we made it.

    That being said we still need a disruptive edge guy first and foremost. Then go WR, O line, WR, RB, ILB.

    Bergs I don’t really agree either but I think Davis comes off the board before Trubisky.

  25. Winder says:

    Yeah, it’s kinda silly to get to involved with the draft picks right now. Every time I look at a mock it changes and it’s the same guys doing the mocks. They not only change their minds but they also change the rankings of the players. One week this guy is the best at a position and next week the same guy say’s there are a couple better than the original guy. Just a bunch of fucking guessing all around. Truly smoke and mirrors.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    New threade is up….

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