Crank Up the Roulette Wheel

As we play the latest version of quarterback roulette. This was kind of how last year went as the front office bad-mouthed and whispered down the ability of Colin Kaepernick amid a team that lost all cohesion in the coaching staff and players.

The savior was of course the guy who is sucking now. Blaine Gabbert. A guy who has plenty of time and little to show for it. Kaepernick’s detractors have gone awful quiet as Gabbert has missed wide open guys, thrown ill-advised picks, and skipped passes on his way to a 1-4 record. All the while getting better than average protection.

With Kaepernick’s restructuring, the team is suddenly talking about letting him play. This after stating for the past 2 months that Kappy isn’t ready. Really. Frankly i don’t give a shit who plays, as long as it isn’t Gabbert. He has lived up to his 9-33 record.

And the Bills? God only knows. They fire Roman, and their defense plays better. The Von Ryan Express always has the possibility of becoming a train wreck in its own right. Huzzah! Kappy is playing for his NFL life at this point.

Hey, Badford is suddenly the hottest guy in the league. It could happen.

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94 Responses to Crank Up the Roulette Wheel

  1. 12th man says:

    It took a week longer than I predicted before the season and was overdue. Like you I didn’t believe Gabbert was capable of being a regular NFL starter.
    I would have preferred to try Ponder but in any event they had to make a change and they did.
    It will be interesting to see if they give Ponder any 1st team reps now. They know what they have in Gabbert so what’s to lose?

  2. unca_chuck says:

    Well, there you have it. The game is afoot. And the season is a proving ground.

    Get ready for the vivisection in the old folks home. And, Phil, why so scared?

  3. unca_chuck says:

    Ringing endorsement there. This probably doesn’t bode well that apparently Gabbert is outplayig Kappy in practice, but that’s why they play the games.

    • NJ49er says:

      Exactly Chuck. It’s looking as though the Chip Offense just isn’t clicking at all levels.
      It’s probably a case of ‘change the guy throwing the ball’, and see what happens,

      • NJ49er says:

        It’s probably a given that Kaep throws a better deep ball.
        Question becomes, is he able to spot the open routes quickly enough before running?
        We’ll see soon enough…

  4. Nipper says:

    I hate to think it but the Niners will still stink it up. Just be glad you don’t have season tickets for this train wreck.

  5. NJ49er says:

    Threw this up just before the thread changed –
    Berger here’s another potential Fat Man in the Middle prospect –
    Derrick Nnadi – FSU – 6’1″/312.
    More of a run stuffer, strong as an Ox.
    Only a Jr but, he could opt to enter the Draft next year,
    http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scouting-Reports/Scouting-Report-Derrick-Nnadi.asp

  6. Nipper says:

    You know the season is in the shitter when thoughts of the draft enter one’s cranium.

  7. Nipper says:

    How can the Yorks be so inept in the sports world? They should just make Levis a giant shopping mall something they know something about and declare themselves a success! It doesn’t depend on wins and losses anymore, just buy, buy, and shop, shop until you drop!

  8. Berger says:

    A lot of people are railing on Baalke. I’m not 100% happy with him but I think there are more than a few who have lost sight of what is happening here.

    This team is in a rebuilding mode forced by some very key players suddenly not with the team anymore. It would have been hard to see a few of the looses coming at one time, like Willis, Aldon and McDonald. When rebuilding it is wise to build from the front to the back. This means paying attention to the lines first. The O-line looks good and the D-line is getting there. We need a good NT if we want to stay in a 3-4. IMO, with the personnel we have right now we would be better off as a base 4-3 team. One of my problems with Baalke is not ever getting a really good NT. This always seemed to be Walsh’s top priority.

    Now that the lines are mostly rebuilt it is time to get some skill players. QB, WR, LB. Usually this means DB but we are good there. I’m not sold on Chip and Baalke picked him but Chip is going nowhere so we might as well see what he can build.

    I think we are 1 to 2 years away from being competitive but this rebuilding project was dumped on Baalke suddenly. I’m going to be a little more patient. I’m not defending Baalke but I am not jumping on the throw him out bandwagon at this time. I will tell you if he ignores the NT position one more year I might just turn on the….

    • rtfirefly says:

      Reno, I’ve been meaning to take back my statement that Ponder “Gabberted out” in Minnesota. Ponder wasn’t that bad. Gabbert is 9-31 starting in the NFL, tied for the worst EVER after 40 games. That was patently unfair of me to Ponder.

      • Berger says:

        Ponder played in a rigid Sardine Can Offense in Minnesota. Singletary was even the asst HC. I don’t know how he’ll do in Chip’s offense but I can’t use that Minnihaha offense against him.

      • rtfirefly says:

        Bill Musgrave, my favorite former Niner backup QB, was the rookie OC.

  9. Winder says:

    Berger- If we were in a rebuilding mode Baalky wouldn’t be wasting picks on injured players, he would be stockpiling players that had the potential to grow. He would also have picked skill players on offense, like a QB or two. As it is now all these new players are getting toasted and by the time we actually get a good QB many will be so beat up they will be tossed on the to go heap. I agree with you on the lines being a top priority but the only reason our OL is decent is because of the older players. Our Dline isn’t very good at the moment. I think Baalky has squandered his time here and that he is a terrible judge of talent.

    • Nipper says:

      Emphasis on “terrible.”

    • Berger says:

      You don’t rebuild in one year. The Thomas injury pick turned into Kerly. Defensive line players take a year or two to develop if you want them to effectively two gap. I have always said that. I want to see what he does this off season. he has a lot of cap space to maneuver. If he blows that I might join your hanging posse. I see some god things brewing. Patience is not a virtue of most fans.

  10. unca_chuck says:

    Baalke has been building the defense for 6 years now, and where are we ranked? Near the bottom. One injury pick turned into a decent trade. The other 17 were wasted. He’s had 70 picks in 6 years, and you can count on one hand the impact guys he’s gotten.

    Yeah, we’ve lost guys, but we’ve also had more picks than just about every other team. I don’t begrudge him his ability to make deals to get picks, but you can’t tell me he’s doing a good or even decent job drafting players. Part of his job is to sign free agents. He has done nothing in that regard lately. The offense has been lacking a true #1 WR for years now. TO is the last true one I can recall. He has not drafted a QB for years now. He can’t even hang his hat on the defense because it is still a work in progress.

  11. Nipper says:

    Meanwhile on the “other” blog, Spit is going to vote Hillary and No Fear is very disgusted with Liberals. At least Spit is emerging from the 9th Century. That’s progress!

  12. rtfirefly says:

    Romo does it again. Gawd how I hate that guy.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    That loss is 100% on Bochy. He should have left Moore in there. He should have left Law in more than one guy. Lopez though was the biggest fail. He has been doing nothing but walking guys all fucking year. Pitching scared. Romo got 4 saves in the last week, but he threw his last picth as a Giant by laughing his way off the mound. Posey calling for the fastball in the go ahead run on 0-2 was idiotic. Crawford cost us 2 runs with his errors. Blanco fucked hp innumerable times with runners on base.

    Lots of goats, but Bochy has to eat this one. He masterminded the collapse with his idiotic pitching changes. They didn’t work all of July through September.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    We’ve gone over this 290 times Bergs. Baalke drafted 7 guys with ACLs. lineman Tank Carradine, running back Marcus Lattimore, fullback Trey Millard, cornerback Keith Reaser, wide receiver DeAndre Smelter, guard Brandon Thomas and now Will Redmond this year. A guy Baalke guaranteed would be ready for the season. He of course is on the IR.

    Carradine is fair to middling and the rest are gone. We got Kerley for Thomas. I have all of Baalke’s picks listed here. The impact players are few and far between.

    That’s my point. You think Baalke’s doing well. I don’t.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    And Phil recognizes that Baalke is feeling heat. Jesus fucking christ. How goddamned dense is he? I’ve been saying for 3!drafts now that Baalke is ignoring glaring needs in favor of odd or injured guys. Anyone with a brain knows this. Well the only one that HAS to know it is Jed.

    Uh oh.

    • Berger says:

      Unca says “I’ve been saying for 3!drafts now that Baalke is ignoring glaring needs in favor of odd or injured guys.”

      This is an odd statement. I’ll take this as an exaggeration tom sell a point.

  16. NJ49er says:

    I sorta see the process with Baalke,
    He has gotten his high 1st RD Picks into early starting roles, Reid/Armstead/DeBuck etc.
    He has gambled on ‘ACL Guys’ in the Mid RD areas for the most part, obvious exception being BThomas.
    Agree with Berger in terms of needing that Fat Man in the Middle too, as Ive been lobbying for another Micheal Carter/Ted Washington forever.
    Best analogy I can muster is, Protect the QB/Sack the QB.
    It starts and ends in the trenches,
    Build from there.

    Baalke seems to have a good sense about slotting/grading his targets too.
    If he targets a guy that doesn’t get to him, he typically deals down.
    What compounds this whole situation, for me, is the role Ownership plays in upsetting the Coaching stability,
    Every time HCs change, personnel requirements change with it,
    I still see the biggest hurdle being the QB position,
    Until we have stability between the HC/QB running the same system for more than a year or 2, the GM is never going to have an easy time of it,

    • NJ49er says:

      Tank was Drafted for one position, RayMac’s replacement, didn’t handle it, then got moved.
      Some guys just don’t fit schemes they’re intended to fit.
      Always involves a learning curve from College to NFL.
      GM and player equally responsible? Open for debate I guess,
      Some do it better than others.
      Some never do,
      Kaep for example, DId he put in the work? Did Harbaugh/Roman fail to develop him?
      DId Baalke or Harbaugh have the final decision together?

      • NJ49er says:

        Thus far it’s been reported that Kaep hasn’t practiced as well as Gabbert.
        Now he’s starting?
        Some things just never make sense in the NFL.
        This Contract restructure seems to suggest he’s being auditioned for a deal to me.
        Chip needs a serviceable QB option before anything will make sense or, improve.

  17. NJ49er says:

    Much as I find him painful to read, Ratto seems to make some sense about the big picture here –

    http://tinyurl.com/zde22hp

    • Berger says:

      Changing out the QB could make us a little better but it won’t make us a good team.

      • NJ49er says:

        It’s change for the sake of change IMO.
        A carrot perhaps, to induce Kaep to restructure?
        What happens if he doesn’t sign before Sunday and gets hurt during the game?
        Maybe we can call it The Rolling of the Cap Dice.

  18. Berger says:

    A team that doesn’t stop the run is not a good team. I guess there could be an occasional exception but generally the first priority of a good defense is to stop the run. If a team runs a 3-4 defense without a good NT the management is not very bright. I’ll give Baalke one more year to add a quality NT before I consider joining the hanging posse. And no, Ian Williams is not the good NT I want. He is about average but unfortunately he is the best we have and he is hurt.

  19. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, I think Gabby’s on-field performance weighs into the decision. At least I hope it does.

    • NJ49er says:

      No doubt Chuck.
      Gabbert is missing wide open throws that could have changed the outcome of 2 games already,
      We’re stuck now, between a patient QB in the pocket with poor accuracy and, one that has no patience at all.
      Shoot me.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Bergs, take 2015 for example. We needed ILB help with Willis and Borland out. We needed WR help (hello), and we needed CB help with the defections and criminal cases. So instead of focussing on the needs of the team, we get a D lineman, a safety, a TE and an OLB.

    Nonsensical. None of whom seem to be all that good. Well, Tartt looks good. The rest are middling guys. I know no one hits all their picks, but look at Baalke’s record. It goes beyond who he drafted. It is also about why. If he’s drafting for BPA instead of need, he’s doing a shitty job of determining BPA. If he’s drafting for need, he has no idea of what he needs.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, the hope is Kaepernick recognizes that he has time when in the pocket. Something he hasn’t had a lot of during his tenure.

    • Berger says:

      It will be interesting to see Kap’s decision making if he gets the same time in the pocket as Gabbert got. This last game the Cards run a bunch of stunts with only 4 and we did not pick it up well. I hope that doesn’t turn out to be a blueprint of how to pressure our QB.

  22. Nipper says:

    Yes it’s time for KAP! Will it make much of a difference? This train flew off the tracks miles ago. We still have Jed and Trent to screw-up the works. Throw in a few more bozos and you have the 2016 49ers! Meanwhile across the BAY the Raiders keep winning!

  23. NJ49er says:

    Another point to consider when the Draft calculations are on the line.
    Where’s the strength of position in any specific Class and, what are you shopping for?
    Can’t reach for a position of ‘need’ if the strength isn’t in your favor.
    Look at Aguayo the 2nd RD K in TB.
    Perfect example of taking a ‘need’ while doing it at the absolute wrong slot.
    I’m fine with loading up on positions of need in the Mid to Late RDs, hoping to develop a starter.
    What hurts is, taking a high RD target, (AJJ) and getting nothing in return.
    Borland was admittedly ‘under-sized’ but very productive.
    Another example of filling a need in a weak Class.
    Baalke made some moves with Ray-Ray and Hodges in FA/Trade moves as well.
    All in all, Coaching/Schemes play a major role in what does, or doesn’t happen, in the final evaluations.
    It’s a Group effort, which the GM eventually takes the brunt of the responsibility for.

    • Nipper says:

      In Trent we trust?

      • NJ49er says:

        Until a better option presents itself I guess?

      • NJ49er says:

        Until Ownership allows a stable environment for a HC/GM to work in, nothing will matter.
        We’ll go the route of Danny Snyder in DC.
        Constant turnover, scapegoating and resets.
        How many times have the Rooney’s in Pittsburgh or the Mara’s/Tisch’s changed HC’s?
        Not very frequently
        Hence, stability,

  24. NJ49er says:

    LSU has another pair of WRs worth watching too.
    Travin Dural 6’2″/192
    Malachi Dupre 6’3″/190

  25. unca_chuck says:

    Then who’s sponsible for the fallout between Harbaugh and Baalke? Harbaugh came here at Baalke’s behest. Baalke got the GM job to deliver Barbs if you read between the lines.

    Did Harbaugh see how shitty Baalke was as GM and decide to bail? That’s certainly possible. Well never know. Point is, under Baalke the team has headed down to shitsville. The onus is on Jed to can him.

    Jed needs to grow a pair and tell mommy and daddy that this miasma of intermediaries is no way to run a team. Get some smart football people in the building and let them make the decisions.

    • NJ49er says:

      Chuck my theory has been that Baalke delivered Harbaugh, Paraag gummed up the works.
      I would also suggest that friction developed over the Roman Offense and Kaep’s lack of development from Pistol to Pocket.
      As we’re all just speculating, it was Paraag who had issues with Harbaugh and Kaep on a personal level as well.
      What it boils down to for me is, Ownership couldn’t allow Baalke and Harbaugh the room to work without Paraag being thrown into the relationship,
      Whatever the reasons, it imploded and this is where we’re at.
      Once again, another Coaching change under the York Ownership Regime which necessitates yet another set of parameters for the GM to deal with.
      What Harbaugh/Roman did isn’t close to what Tomsula/Chryst or, Chip/Modkins is attempting to do.
      What pieces stay, what pieces go?
      it’s simply defined as dysfunctional Ownership in my book.
      Football guys have no room for meddling football guy wannabes, AKA Jed and Paraag.

      • NJ49er says:

        Who in the eff wants to work in an organization that constantly cleans out Coaching Staffs?
        Dr Daddy had issues with Mooch.
        Paraag had issues with Harbaugh/Kaep.
        Daddy put Paraag into the picture to begin with, as his Chief Penny-Pincher.
        That, in and of itself, was the first fatal mistake.
        It undermined the GM job title with Moneyball tactics.
        Baalke is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t, evaluate properly when the bottom line is all that seems to matter to these clowns.
        Who’s sitting on the Cap surplus?
        It sure isn’t Baalke.

      • Nipper says:

        In Baalke we trust?

  26. Nipper says:

    We need one guy we can howl our complaints to. Chuck should pick the one man to shoulder the blame. Then the rest of us join in like a pack of jackels to pound the point across. We then charge over to the “other” blog like a bunch of mad Vikings on a raid of a rich Abbey in olden times.

  27. Irish Kevin says:

    This is my take on the Kaep saga, he wants out, plain and simple, so the Niners have been holding him out so he does not get hurt again. That in turn has come to bite them in the ass, Gabbert was not the man. So now in order for Kaep to get what he wants he has to play to a level where a team is willing to take him. That should be his motivation, no team is going to want him if he cannot play to a high level. Even if he is healthy at the end of the year and the Niners were to release him. He would have no takers if he does not perform well right now. So the Niners should win some games with Kaep.

    • Nipper says:

      Kap should go into politics. If the Supreme Court Justice is mentioning his cause as disrespectful than you know the man has hit a nerve. He’s wasting his time in sports.

  28. unca_chuck says:

    I just don’t see how Paraag has anything to do with the relationship between the GM and the HC. That soured on its own. It seemed to take all of 2 years before they stopped communicating.

    Tangentially the money aspect is something that Paraag is involved with, but atill and all its a GM matter.

    Like I said, they have too may intermediaries. Eddie said it in 2010. No clear lines of communication.

    That’s my thought as well, Kevin. If Colin wants out, and I’m sure he does, he’s going to need to play well to garner interest.

  29. Nipper says:

    Now here this: Skeebers has just declared this season as a “lost cause.” He blames the whole mess on Trent Baalke and as it now stands this is Trent’s “hand picked team.”

  30. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah right. This has been a theme for a while now.

    You know those oldsters and play pen denizens. Slow to catch on.

  31. unca_chuck says:

    Funny that NoFear is calling for Kaepernick to be murdered. Throw in racist Dennis and the band of sycophants and you have a jolly good time over there in the Play Pen.

    Jesus. “Murica. Free to be exactly the same!” Let’s all be different together!

  32. unca_chuck says:

    What is funny is every play in the game will be dissected by Phil, Buwwitt, BakkenBuwwitt, and NoFear. With Skeevie standing watch over the narrative that must be 100% depressing bullshit.

    Gabby leads the team to a 1-4 record and we hear crickets.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Gotta hand it to the tin foil brigade. They are in full bloom.

    4 shitty losses and no call for Gabbert’s head but bet your bottom dollar that Kappy’s performance will be vivisected like an alien corpse in Roswell NM.

  34. Nipper says:

    Giants Presser: We’re getting younger. A lot of the older guys will walk the plank along with the third and first base coaches. The ninth inning closer position will be staffed by someone not named Casilla.

  35. Winder says:

    I guess our magic is gone. Stellar defense and pitching were what got us those 3 world championships, and what a wonderful time that was. It is hard to go out the way we did.

    Back to football. Kelly is just grasping at straws, I don’t think we will get much from having Kap in there. I just see a few more injuries waiting to happen. We have marginal players to begin with and absolutely no depth. I don’t think we are gonna fool Buffalo one bit.

  36. unca_chuck says:

    Winder, all we need desperate help with is the bullpen. Romo, Casilla, and Lopez are gone. They have 4 bona fide solid starters in Bummie, Cueto, Moore, and Smarge. Blach looks like he can slide right in and be the 5th starter. They are still in very good shape. Gratned they need a couple OFers with Blanco and Pagan likely going away.

    • Nipper says:

      Even Jed to save his sad leadership will be forced to fire Baalke. A scapegoat is needed. A pound of flesh is required. Mistakes are not tolerated by the football community.

  37. unca_chuck says:

    More fodder for the grist mill . . . God forbid they see this in the playpen. Black men talking sports! Dissing Blaine Gabbert! The horror! NoFear is leading the pitchfork brigade hoping against hope that the QB of the team he nominally supports fails miserably. Because of his non-violent protest.

    Racism is promoted in the playpen. Good for you, Skeebs. Keep the dissension out, and the race baiting in. Bunch of fucking assholes . . .

    http://ninerfans.com/video-espn-stephen-a-smith-blaine-gabbert-stinks/

  38. Winder says:

    I don’t like Stephen A Smith, but I agree with him on both of those links. Does that make me a racist?

  39. Nipper says:

    Too bad we can’t get Jed to admit he’s a crappy owner. Nepotism in sports is a curse. It will take years for the Niners to recover. We can always hope for Mommie Dearest to recall him to Youngstown.

  40. unca_chuck says:

    No, Winder, it makes you a realist. Try posting those in the play pen and you will be labeled a racist.

  41. Winder says:

    chuck- One good thing about this year is no one really thought we were gonna do much anyway. If all this crap helps us to get rid of the dead weight on the team and FO then bring it on. Jed will have to do something pretty soon.

  42. rtfirefly says:

    This in from the WebZone where it was copied from ? So I can’t give credit where credit is due.
    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    To put this latest stage of Colin Kaepernick’s NFL career in context with his current claim to fame: The 49ers’ chickens have come home to roost. (Hat tip to Malcolm X.)

    After everything chief executive Jed York and general manager Trent Baalke have done the past three years to unravel Kaepernick’s status with the 49ers, the quarterback is still standing, right back where he was before.

    It seemed unfathomable a year ago that Kaepernick would still be on the roster today. Yet here he is, the starter again, even though it’s amid a pile of rubble of York’s and Baalke’s creation. Karma is as cruel as the 49ers’ 1-4 record, and just as real.

    As admirable as it is that York has had Kaepernick’s back while he makes his widely unpopular protest stance, for football purposes it’s a minor miracle that Kaepernick has survived all the stabs management had delivered to his back.

    He may not be capable of taking the 49ers back to the Super Bowl — with that roster, who is? — but he still got his job back, he appears to have his health back, and he’s proven that he’s got more game, and more credibility, than many gave him credit for.

    Be certain of one thing: the 49ers brought this on themselves. Their own actions since their last playoff trip in 2013 brought them to where they are now: stumbling around in the NFL’s basement, promoting Kaepernick out of desperation, admitting their failure in parading Blaine Gabbert as a legitimate starter and inspiration reclamation project.

    York and Baalke are the ones who engaged in the power struggle with then-coach Jim Harbaugh and, eventually, nudged him out of the door at least as much as Harbaugh sought to leave. They undermined him almost shamelessly. Kaepernick, Harbaugh’s own quarterbacking project, became the collateral damage.

    There’s zero reason to believe that York and Baalke meant for Kaepernick to get caught in the original crossfire, but it was inevitable, and it made a mess of a talented young player’s future. And all the shenanigans that went on concerning Kaepernick afterwards, that was all avoidable and all lands in management’s lap.

    The smears on Kaepernick’s character, professionalism and locker-room comportment were inexcusable. The way his injuries ended up cutting last season short is still shady; it took a disturbingly long time for the bad shoulder he was playing with to become public knowledge, and the 49ers put out a foolish, easily-discredited excuse to hide whatever they were hiding.

    Even the contract extension he got was deceptively team-friendly; if not for his surgery, who doesn’t believe he wouldn’t have been long gone from Santa Clara already?

    The arrogance of promoting Jim Tomsula and picking an offensive staff that was no help to Kaepernick, helped no one. The elevation of Gabbert as someone to sell the public as a smart alternative was insulting.

    It was as if they were writing a textbook on how to derail a young quarterback’s progress.

    The public, to their detriment, ate it up. It ended up feeding an incredibly demeaning and deflective plot line to Kaepernick’s detractors during his national anthem protests: he’s a scrub, he’s about to get cut, his career is all but finished, he’s just doing that to draw attention to himself because he has nothing else left. Hey, why listen to him, he’s the guy who couldn’t beat out Blaine Gabbert.

    Those detractors don’t have that crutch left. Kaepernick does have something left.

    He has his job back, with the team that tried so hard to make him feel as if he didn’t deserve it.

    The 49ers have the quarterback back who led them to glory they couldn’t, or wouldn’t, sustain. And right now, that’s all they have.

  43. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, nice piece there, RTF. And it is something I’ve said all along. Kaepernick has been treated just like Harbaugh was, so I don’t get the fans who bemoan poor St Jim while excoriating Kaepernick. They went through the same whisper campaign and disinformation stream from the front office, and then the smear campaign when things went south. Colin signed the team friendly deal to ensure the team would be kept intact. Well, things didn’t quite work out that way due to Jed and Trent, and they turned and scapegoated Kaepernick even though they hired Jimmy bag-of-donuts, and an inept coaching staff. Now the team is back where they were before Harbaugh got here.

    In the shitter and grasping at straws. The buck stops and starts with Jed and Trent, and their fucking mouthpiece Trent Dildo running point with the media.

    Trent has been wearing his teflon suit as he blows through coaches and players and wastes draft picks up the wazoo but the jig is up. He’s on the clock, and I wonder what the fuck Jed does if this season goes swirling down the toilet. It’s looking that way, although the team seems to be having a little bit more success than last year despite the same record. One thing is fio sure, it would be a weird and twisted road to see Kappy and Kelly here next year. I seriously doubt it.

    • rtfirefly says:

      I’ve got a neat one on Baalke from the WZ; let me see if I can find it.

      • rtfirefly says:

        Nah, I’m not going to waste anymore time looking because the post I remember is not on the massive Baalke thread, but rather on some small innocent looking thread. It just listed Baalke’s draft picks by year and how many Pro Bowlers we’ve gotten out of it. Well written and didn’t make Baalke look good. Ach so, if I remember what thread and can find it I’ll repost it.

    • Nipper says:

      I hope that Ram win is not the only win this season. That would really be a disaster! You figure even a blind HC can win a couple of games. Kelly may have to head back to college to escape Baalke and Jed and this huge mess in Santa Clara. OUCH!

    • rtfirefly says:

      Yeah, WZ can have some incredible stuff. It can also be mired in hundreds of pages, years long flame wars (which I confess can be entertaining at times).

  44. unca_chuck says:

    Wonder how San Diego will find a way to blow this game?

  45. unca_chuck says:

    SD giving it away. Unbelievable.

  46. unca_chuck says:

    SD is pathetic. Play 3-3/4 quarters and then turtle up and play prevent offense and defense.

    Then they forget how to tackle. Saved by the flag.

  47. rtfirefly says:

    Da Raiders are alone in 1st place in the AFC West. The Niners are alone in last place in the NFC West. How three years can change everything.

  48. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Reundead Al finally passed, and the Niners still have Jed.

  49. rtfirefly says:

    Here ya go, Chuck. Not sure if this is the one I saw, but it’s plenty good enough:


    At the foundation of the broken home that Baalke built are his failures to consistently draft impactful players. Successful teams are built through the draft and his failures to acquire impactful talent are now becoming impossible to ignore. …

    Baalke’s unwillingness to upgrade at quarterback, receiver, inside linebacker and pass rusher based on last season’s 5-11 finish is a pretty egregious oversight.

    Baalke doesn’t have a draft class to hang his hat on. Excluding 2010, which is clouded by the transition from McCloughan.

    Baalke’s 61 draft picks since 2011 have amounted to just two Pro Bowls and one All-Pro nomination.

    Baalke also stubbornly drafted players with falling stock due to torn ACLs. Despite improving medical procedures and rehab, it’s challenging for a player to return to football after tearing any ligament in the knee, let alone adapt to the challenges of the NFL and become a valuable member of the team.

    Baalke has drafted seven players with torn ACLs since 2013. Carradine was selected in the second-round, Will Redmond and Brandon Thomas in the third, DeAndre Smelter and Marcus Lattmore in the fourth, Keith Reaser in the fifth and Trey Millard in the seventh.

    Only Carradine and Reaser are on the roster, while Redmond is on injured reserve.

    http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/10/this-is-all-your-fault-trent-baalke/

  50. rtfirefly says:

    And then there’s this,


    McCloughan was with Seattle from 2010-2013. Look how their drafts have panned out:

    2010: Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor
    2011: K.J. Wright, Richard freaking Sherman, Doug Baldwin (UFA)
    2012: Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson
    2013: Christine Michael, Luke Willson

    If you want to not include the 2013 guys, fine, but that’s still 8 All-Pro- caliber players in 3 years. Half of one of the NFL’s top defenses and their franchise QB and top WR…

  51. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Scotty’s track record is pretty well documented. Washington is on the rise now.

    New thread is up.

  52. rtfirefly says:

    FWIW, I believe in drafting from the lines outward. To that end, I would not have minded spending all of our picks this year on OL/DL. QB and WR would have been a waste with what we had last year on OL.

    • Winder says:

      Ya gotta draft a QB just to groom, they usually don’t start right away anyway. So we go to another year just to draft one next year who won’t start.

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