The Trade Talks Cool Down

Well, best laid plans and all, the Kappy situation remains in flux as Denver hasn’t moved on their offer, and Cleveland, being Cleveland, may have scared off Kappy already by shedding center Alex Mack,  RT Mitchell Schwartz, and WR Travis Benjamin. Last thing he wants is to come into a team that has is shedding talent and is looking to draft a QB anyway. He could (and very well may) stay here for that, despite his admiration for Hue Jackson.

No, this trade is about Denver. I’ve been thinking all along that this is what he wants. This is certainly what Denver wants, as Gary Kubiak has not been shy about his desire to get Kaepernick. The Niners want a 2 from Denver or a 3 from Cleve, mainly because the diff is 2 spots in the draft. In other words, a 2 from Denver IS basically a 3rd round pick from Cleve. A 3 from Denver is 30 spots lower. Denver just signed Mark (dirty) Sanchez, but no one sees that as anything but what it is. A backup signing.  Denver has made noise about getting Ryan Fitzpatrick, but Kubiak wants to run a more dynamic offense than what Fitzpatrick would offer. Elway has admired CK from afar, as has Kubiak and Wade Philips.

The Fitzpatrick to Denver talks seemingly would bring the Kappy/Jets scenario back into play, but there haven’t been any whispers around that. Yet. It could happen, but much as I hate to say it, I hope Kaepernick finds his way to Denver and does well there. The 49ers seems to be only adept at shooting themselves in the feet like old Sourdough Sam used to. The 49ers now are a collection of disorganized parts and pieces put together with no sense or rhyme. Chip Kelly is walking into a buzzsaw. And Trent Baalke is on his last legs.

This draft is fairly huge in the immediate future of this team.

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99 Responses to The Trade Talks Cool Down

  1. Nipper says:

    At least Baalke is “hanging tight.” That’s his words so make of it what you will.

  2. Nipper says:

    At least Bullit is worried about his illegals. He probably pays so little they have to be illegals. No green cards for him! No sir! Bullit will be left blowing his own leaves……making his own bed!

  3. rob says:

    Go miners go map
    62 mil and we got a third string QB lol
    Good news is the market is down for Okung and Donald Penn. I hope we jump.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    Wondering what that was about, Rob!

    Okung is an improvement over what we currently have, then again, so is Penn, so . . . do it.

    Got to do something this FA time . . .

  5. NJ49er says:

    This has as much to do with Chip’s style of play as it does with our Dysfunctional First Family’s Business practices too.
    Glad to see Baalke not pissing it away at least.
    Chip’s likely better off with Draftees on the OL than older more expensive FAs 1 at this point.
    This mess won’t get fixed by buying their way out of it.

    Suck and Draft for the future.
    Still can’t see the NYJ paying for a QB, AND Mo, with their Cap situation.
    If Kaep stays in play that’s where I still see a fit.
    We can, (and should), pay Mo IMO.
    They can rescind the F-Tag in a Trade scenario and we swap Contracts.

    D-O-N-E

    • Winder says:

      I think you are putting way to much faith into Baalke. The roster belongs to him, not Jed.

      • unca_chuck says:

        Or Chip . . .

        No one knows the draft dynamic till draft day. If we don’t draft a QB at 1 or 2, then I think Trent is pulling the strings. Chip is out in the cold, and Jed has his hand up Trent’s ass.

        The thing is, NO team is that far out of it. I know this plays into V’s wheelhouse, but with parity you get this scenario. A good draft and a couple vet linemen would do wonders to help this team. We HAVE decent players scattered through the roster, but there needs to be a plan other than Jed and Trent stumbling in the dark while Jed tries to set the moving target.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    You’re welcome, Bakken . . .

  7. unca_chuck says:

    I’m surprised people are surprised by the Sanchez signing In Denver. This plays nothing into the Kappy-to-Denver proceedings. Sanchez is strictly backup material at this point. I wonder if the Ryan Fitzpatrick drag-out is dragging this along with it. The Jets certainly could become interested should Fitz head to Denver. I don;t see it playing out this way though.

    Believe it or don’t, Kappy is the bigger fish.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Wow. That was quick. Hardy Nicjerson, he of Cal football (and straight outta Compton), has come and gone as our ILB coach.

    He’s joining Lovie Smith at the Illini as their new DC. . . Odd to say the least, but he does have a long history coaching with Lovie. Plus he gets to be their DC instead of just an LB coach.

    Oh well.

  9. NJ49er says:

    Winder the way I see Trent is simply a product of the Parcells Tree.
    He’s a Defense first guy that plays it close to the vest.
    Where I feel he excels is slotting and moving on the Draft Board.
    No GM in this game bats 1.000
    I’ve read in many places, for many years, that the Draft, in any given year, provides very few ‘slam dunk’ prospects.
    For example, an average Class of 32 potential 1st RD Grades is lucky to net 10-15 of them.

    What a GM in this game has to do is, find the guys that show a willingness to put in the work to improve and make the team.
    Baalke has to have a relationship with his HC/Scouts/Staff, to find the pieces that fit.
    Add to that the reports that Paraag has had his hands on the evaluation/risk factor phase of the FO and, I have to wonder just what Baalke was ‘permitted’ to do.

    • NJ49er says:

      IMO, this ‘Moneyball’ approach just tips the scales away from tried and true Scouting, towards a Bean Counter Budget process that is too much in line with cost cutting.

      Granted, our Cap situation was a total disaster at the tail end of the Mariucci Era.
      Paraag has cleaned it up, certainly.
      What was an epic fail was the inability to find balance with Harbaugh and Baalke to remedy the QB situation.
      Whether it was a power grab on Harbaugh’s part or, a dictatorship approach on Baalke’s part, it was a total meltdown.

      We failed with Alex. We appear to have failed with Kaep as well.
      I do believe Baalke will give Chip the call on the QB going forward.
      If Baalke can concentrate on Defense, while allowing Chip to control the Offense, we may just find some long needed balance on the construction of the roster.
      Chip’s failed efforts as a personnel guy in Philly and, Baalke’s failed relationship with Harbaugh should provide them both some much needed humility going forward.
      At least that’s what I’m hoping for.

      I shudder to think that Jed is playing the part of Danny Snyder.
      If so, we’re in for a LONG, and PAINFUL future.

      • NJ49er says:

        In a nut shell, I support Trent simply because he’s come through the ranks.
        Neither Dr Daddy, Jed or Paraag are remotely qualified to have an opinion on what goes on with this team.
        If Trent fails, let it be on his own merits.
        Don’t have the 3 Blind Mice applying MBA practices to how a football team should be constructed.

      • NJ49er says:

        For that matter, I’m also convinced that Tomsula, and maybe Chip, were brought on board by Jed/Dr Daddy.
        Especially when Baalke was hard at work attempting to recruit Gase.

        Something just doesn’t smell right to me, with respect to how this FO conducts ‘business’.
        There seems to be too much intervention coming between the GM and his Coaches.
        If the football guys can’t agree on how to build a football team, what, in God’s name, is Jed doing to improve things?
        Write the checks Jed.
        Stay away from the process after that.

  10. unca_chuck says:

    The talent drain is painfully obvious since Scot left.

    Baalke has failed miserably in my estimation. Look at NE, Pittsburgh, Indy (lucky), or even the SF Giants to see how teams restock while drafting low. Just saying he’s a defensive guy doesn’t absolve him of anything. Parcells guy or no. If he can’t work with his offensive coaches like he couldn’t with Harbaugh then you have shit like AJJenkins, LMJ, Braylon Edwards, and countless other offensive duds.

    All Trent’s drafta are listed here, NJ. And I don’t give Trent credit for 2010. That was Scot’s swan song.

    • NJ49er says:

      Well aware of his Draft history Chuck.
      He’s sought Offensive talent to compliment Kaep for quite sometime.
      At some point you have to ask why Kaep didn’t develop too.

      • NJ49er says:

        Could it be, a rift ensued over Kaep’s development too?
        It’s a mess.
        Plenty of blame to go around.

  11. unca_chuck says:

    Well, I liken it to Brady and Newton looking like shit when they were under constant pressure by Denver’s defense. We made most teams look like Denver’s defense.

    Neither Smith nor Kappy did much with Ginn, neither did Harbaugh. Scheme, talent, coaching, drafting, communication. All these things need to coalesce.

    We got close without communication, but without the talent we are fading. Another blah draft and we’ll be drafting in the top 5.

  12. Winder says:

    NJ- dysfunction usually starts at the top and in this case it probably does. As far as Baalke goes all I can see is his prior moves. I’m only looking for him to bat around .300 but he’s not even close to that. There is now a clear sign that players don’t want to be here, is it Jed? maybe part of it but I tend to think is more because of Baalke. I just don’t know.

    • NJ49er says:

      All of the above guys.
      I don’t know where to point a finger either, for whatever good that would do me anyway.
      Adding all the ingredients we’ve had over the York Years spells incompetence to me.
      Firing Mooch, hiring the parade of Coaches that followed etc.
      Baalke seems to seek assistance, specifically where he’s weakest, the Offense.
      He landed Harbaugh, who likely brought us Kaep, while waving adios to Alex.
      We can assume Kaep flourished with the sound ground game and stellar Defense.
      Absent that, Kaep has fallen flat on his face.

      That said, I’ll ride with Baalke to restock the Defense.
      I’m not sold on Chip’s brand of Offense but, we’ll have to see where it goes from here.
      All I’m asking for is Chip and Trent to work out their individual shortcomings as a team.
      Something that obviously didn’t occur with Harbaugh.

      • NJ49er says:

        This whole Paraag intervention thing concerns me.
        He’s Dr Daddy’s ‘money’ guy.
        Knowing the cheap bastard Daddy is known to be, I don’t see where he did anything but interfere in Trent’s job duties.

        Until we fix the QB position, this garbage is likely to continue to rot under our noses.
        Paraag and the rest of these minions have created an atmosphere of dysfunction that chases away good Coaching while polluting the locker room in return.
        To hear Boone suggest that Teddy Bridgewater isn’t a prima dona, suggests to me, that Kaep was.
        The Nessa triangle, might well have driven Aldon over the edge.
        Reports of Kaep not working at his craft, etc.
        On, and on, it goes.

        An uncovered Torrey being ignored in St Loo last year, on the pre-snap read by Kaep, also suggests that these high priced FAs are going to waste, if the QB isn’t smart enough to utilize them.
        Can’t fault Baalke for bringing in proven talent if they’re not going to see any action.
        The entire situation is enough to drive me nuts.

        Now, we have Chip.
        Word from his days in Philly are out there.
        Frank even balked at the opportunity to join them, due to the whispers that were around back then.
        How many OLmen are going to beat down the door to play for an Offense that gets pounded into dust?

  13. Nipper says:

    This next season will be lousy. Bank on it. One has to have a sense of humor about the whole mess. If you take this stuff to heart you’re going to be one miserable SOB.

    • NJ49er says:

      No need to go that far Nipper –
      I simply watch to see WTF is going to happen next.
      Only hope I have at this point is, that our Defense can survive the Chip Kelly Offense.
      This ought to be entertaining, to some perverted degree.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Sounds like fun. Gonna be a lot of the old gang there for Eddie.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    The thing is NJ, it isn’t about finger-pointing. For Baalke it’s about doing his job. He hasn’t even tried to draft a WR and about 40 good to great guys have been drafted ahead of us. Fucking Keenan Allen STILL pisses me off. Could have had him with our 2nd 2nd round pick in 2013. Instead we take Vance McDropsy. I know hindsight is BS, but Allen was high on my list of guys who looked like legit shots to make it. If he’s on my board, he should fucking be on Trent’s.

    Yeah, Kappy has to get the ball out, blah blah blah, but we’ve never had anything in the way of schemes to get guys open deep. Now we don’t have the blocking for it. Ginn being a prime example. He didn’t catch one long pass here in 3 seasons. In his time at Carolina he’s had numerous deep passes. 1 TD and 385 yards here in 3 years. 15 TDs and 1295 in 2 years at Carolina. Look at Cam Newton in 2014. 5-8-1 to 15-1 last year. Did he magically get better? Sure. Some. But the team played better around him.

    Truth be told, I’m hopeful of this offense under Chip. At least offensively. The bullshit of the last 2 years was enough to make me want to poke my eyes out with rusty nails. Granted we might punt 35 times a game, but we won’t be boring. Shitty? Sure. Probably. Thing is, Baalke needs to nail this draft. Free agency? It looks like we got caught sucking our thumbs. WTF? I didn’t want a feeding frenzy, but SOMETHING!

    The other hope is that Chip learned something in his time in Philly to get him better connected to his players. Winning helps, but as Harbaugh proved, sometimes even that isn’t enough.

    It’s going to be weird no matter how you look at it. My fear is we weenie out and take some 3rd round QB who is nothing but cannon fodder, and we ride Gabbert to shit-town.

  16. rob says:

    Another possible FA target is kelvin beachum steelers OT

  17. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, he’s coming off an injury IIRC. Anyone is better than Pears

  18. NJ49er says:

    Chuck lets not forget our history in SF
    A 3rd RD Pick from Notre Dame turned Walsh and the 9ers into a Dynasty

    Doesn’t matter to me one bit where a guy is Drafted.
    What matters is what you do when you get here.
    Too many 1st RDers flame out or simply stop working when the paychecks come.
    Crabtree never got much support here, seemed to dog it as well for sometime.
    Vernon had his ups and downs, but never became a superstar but for his speed.

    The QB has as much to do with it as anything.
    Until you have the right fit there, you really don’t have much to build around.
    I don’t care if Chip goes with a QB in RD6 like a guy named Brady.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Crabs was his own worst enemy. As was VD. They had grand self-worth ideas, and reality bit them in the ass. Click clack, motherfucker. For all his size and speed, VD dropped too many passes, and was terrible at adjusting to the flight of the ball.

      Crabtree? He’s a solid 2. He’s a possession guy who thought he was worth Megatron money. The injuries slowed him down, but schemes did as well. He dogged Harbaugh for using him strictly as a 3rd down guy. In a better offense he’s doing well. Ginn is off the charts compared to what he did here. We rarely even tried going deep with him.

      Yeah the QB plays a big role in this,. Then again, so does the scheme being run. Power football with little risk in the passing game is all well and good, but once you stop the run, your team struggles. As what happened with Gore for years. Even pre-Harbaugh. Especially pre-Harbaugh.

  19. unca_chuck says:

    That’s a pipedream, NJ. For every late round under the radar success story, there are hundreds of flameouts. Hence my post about a cogent plan from all involved. Harbaugh didn’t even have that and still nearly won with McCloughan’s team.

    I think we’re basically saying the same thing. But until Baalke learns how to draft better, we are hell-bent on repeating the same mistakes. Every problem with the team brings on the whisper campaign against whoever is perceived to be a problem. Sing, Jimmy-Hat, Nolan, Harbaugh, Kappy, take your pick.

    If Chipper doesn’t start out hot, I’m sure the rumors will begin leaking out of the building forthwith. But who knows? Maybe he drafts Goff, and puts a palatable team on the field. It could happen, but the recent past doesn’t give me reason to shout from the hilltop yet.

    My dream of success involves losing Baalke, getting some football people in the front office, and letting them build the coaching staff. Until then, we’ll fall prey to the same fuck-ups.

    • NJ49er says:

      Well that’s been the basis of my support for Baalke Chuck, he’s a football guy.
      If Ownership isn’t willing to allow the ‘football guys’ to run the the football side, what’s the point?
      Adding a Whiz Kid is good business in Contract negotiations.
      Did we need him having duties in the booth on game days?
      Involved in the Draft process?

      We do agree on the communication aspect of our malaise however.
      With Paraag/Jed involved with the backroom drama, those lines of communication become blurred.
      Many reports suggested a developed rift between Paraag/Harbaugh/Kaep.
      If so, these ‘leaks’ of his demise could easily have triggered the onslaught of negativity that ultimately brought down the house.
      It’s dysfunction, plain and simple.
      Attack Harbaughs’ QB, you attack Harbaugh indirectly.
      My feeling has been that Kaep was Harbaugh’s guy to name, simply to move on from Alex.
      Now, Chip will garner the same responsibility to move on from Kaep.
      Miss on the QB, prolong the inevitable turmoil.

      For me, a Parcells disciple carries similar stature with a Walsh guy in football circles.
      Successful Coaches are a fraternity in this game.
      The weaklings don’t survive.
      None of the 3 Blind Mice involved in our Ownership/Mgt Trio have a clue about football.
      Mix the wrong ingredients, spoil the meal.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    I don’t buy it. Not as far as the drafts go. Unless you think Jed and Paraag are way more involved in the draft than is warranted.

    With this bunch who the fuck knows? I mean really. There are leaks, rumors, innuendo and bullshit swirling around everything.

    • NJ49er says:

      Don’t buy what?
      Paraag being the mole?

      Perfectly OK with me, if Trent doesn’t float your boat, that’s not an issue for me.
      I just think he’s the only guy in the process that makes any ‘football’ sense.

      My point is, who is Paraag in terms of ‘inner circle’ football hierarchy?
      I see him as Dr Daddy’s Whiz Kid/Mole.
      I think he’s carrying a little too much clout in terms of a ‘pseudo-football guy’.

      There have been reports of his influence being implemented on football evaluations.
      For what that means? I don’t eff’n know, but, it just doesn’t seem like the kind of ‘sidekick’ any GM in this League would cozy up to.
      No excuses being made for Trent on my part, I’m simply asking how this dynamic makes anyone’s duties as GM any more productive?

      Seems to me, like a whole lot of unnecessary ‘communication/interference’ taking place.
      Then we add Jed….SMH.

  21. NJ49er says:

    Bottom line..
    If the GM/HC/Coaches/Scouts can’t ALL get on the same page, nothing will ever get off the ground.
    If you’re adding unnecessary interference from Ownership to that mix, you have what we are.
    DYSFUNCTIONAL.

    I’m all for budgeting, and building from the ground up, but, if Ownership is applying pressure to win now, we’ll end up going the route of DC Danny.
    He pissed all over Vinnie Cerrato’s job duties, grabbed the biggest names in FA along the way and, succeeded in turning things into a 3-Ring Circus.
    Then, that process runs good Coaches out as scapegoats.
    See the similarities?

    We’re headed for the Big Tent too.
    Fortunately, they haven’t succumbed to throwing away the Cap Reserve just yet,
    That’s where the ‘cheapo’ factor comes in for Dr Daddy and his minions.

  22. Winder says:

    NJ- Cmon what does Jed have to gain by scraping the team. He might save on salary’s but that’s just a drop in the bucket compared to the financial gains he would have by fielding a winner. His big mistake is listening to Baalke. This whole thing is Baalke’s baby lock, stock, and barrel.

    • NJ49er says:

      Winder the whole front office dynamic is predicated on the GM and HC working together,
      If I’m Trent, and the minions are involved, as it appears to be, the GM is nothing but a straw man.
      I simply ask the question, what other GM in this league has an MBA evaluating players?
      Of course, Trent wears the title, he recruited Harbaugh, sought Gase as well.
      Suggests to me he wanted an Offensive assistant of sorts as his HC.

      Did Paraag influence the meltdown that ensued between Harbaugh and Baalke?
      Could it have been an inside job to smear Harbaugh simply because Paraag had issues with him and/or Kaep?

      I truly think it’s the other way around.
      Trent is being influenced by Paraag.
      Seems just a bit curious to me, that Paraag has now been ‘reassigned’, after the damage has been done.

      I still can’t fathom how ‘The GM’ is out recruiting Gase, only to have Tomsula thrown into the equation.
      It’s not so much about saving money, as it is having a GM title with an MBA/Whiz Kid attached to his duties.
      Makes no sense to me.

      I’m sure Harbaugh knew the structure when he signed on.
      What blew it up smells more to me like interference occurring between the GM/HC relationship.
      Simply an opinion….But it doesn’t add up for me.

      • NJ49er says:

        Was it Vinnie Cerrato’s Baby in DC?
        As stated, Trent is the only football guy in this mix, yet when he’s sought football guys to work with, something mysteriously gets in the way.

      • NJ49er says:

        I also don’t believe ‘The GM’ hired Chip either.
        For whatever that’s worth, at least Chip is an Offensive guy, which fits the M/O.

  23. Nipper says:

    In conclusion: Is anyone an optimist when it comes to this team? We need new people at the top and a new GM. “Holding tight” isn’t good enough. “You’re fired!” should be the words of the day.

  24. Winder says:

    NJ- you might be right. The difference between Jed and Snyder/Jones is that everyone knew they ran the show. How much influence Paraag has in the process of drafting no one really knows. In the process of FA he probably has a big say into what goes on. Baalke doesn’t seem to me like a guy who is just a figurehead (strawman). His job description means he runs the team and drafts who he wants to. There is a lot to speculate about this team but the buck still lands with him.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    In conclusion: No one knows what the fuck is going on. Including all the people at 4949 Centennial Blvd, Santa Clara, CA.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Right, Winder. Paraag is pointed to a lot as having too much influence and being the source of the leaks, but if it extends to potential draft picks based on what they think they might have to pay them down the road then we are fucked.

    But I can’t imagine any GM working under conditions like that.

  27. NJ49er says:

    Your New Era York 49ers-
    Not your Old School Eddie D 49ers-
    In conclusion-
    A total…
    House of Tards 😀

  28. rob says:

    How about Sebastian tretola in rd 3

  29. rob says:

    asons with double-digit sack totals, including 12.5 in 2015. The former Cowboy also ran the second-fastest 40-time (4.63 seconds) of any defensive lineman at the combine.

    Dodd also posted 12.5 sacks last season. There is a debate among analysts over who will be the first Clemson pass-rusher taken in the draft between Dodd and teammate Shaq Lawson.

    Nassib led the nation last season with 15.5 sacks and six forced fumbles for the Nittany Lions.

    Calhoun is a three-time All-American for Michigan State and set a career high with 10.5 sacks in 2015.

  30. Nipper says:

    Remember whatever is out there talent wise……..it will not be enough. This year is going to long, tiresome and futile. Until Jed and his GM vacate and finally declare their incompetence this story will not improve much. Let the losing begin! I just hope Bullit doesn’t lose his maid. That would be too cruel to wish on anyone.

  31. unca_chuck says:

    Not according to V, Nipper. He’s right about parity. Any team can rise quickly.

    But this year is dependent on the draft. And little whispering from the front office.

    • Nipper says:

      It’s time to pray. Oh lord I’m ready for that Mercedes Benz. If not now…….when? The Niner’s keep losing talent. What should be done? Oh lord……

  32. unca_chuck says:

    If Goff is there, Rob they almost have to take him. They can build the line with the next 3 picks. Esp if we trade Kappy for some picks.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Sure I get people not liking Kaepernick, but I don’t get that people want the team to get fleeced in a trade. Like it is some sort of justification for trading him.

    Denver says he’s worth s 4th but they don’t have a 4th to trade. Strange, eh? They are posturing an waiting. Get their 2 and give em one of our 6s.

    • NJ49er says:

      It’s all about the negotiating process Chuck,
      We want a 2, Denver puts his value at a 4.
      Hoping of course, we’ll settle for a 3.

      Biggest concern for me, is that Kaep wants out.
      If you’re not going to appreciate the Contract you signed or, you don’t want to compete to keep it, don’t let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way out.

      News flash for Kaep,
      All you have to do is beat your backup, while playing with a clean slate.
      If Cleveland seems like a better option to him, there’s something terribly wrong with his status as a leader in his current locker room IMO.

    • Nipper says:

      “You’re Fired!” Clean house now!

    • Winder says:

      Yeah, we are pretty fucking doomed.

    • NJ49er says:

      Not a good look 12th –
      It’s nothing I haven’t realized either.
      I’ve simply tried to understand how all these ingredients are connected.
      Trent wears the title, he takes the blame, no argument.

      There appears to be no cohesion involved.
      I’m simply glad to see Paraag out of the mix.
      I’ve suspected there to be too much of a ‘Moneyball’ approach to the process.

      My support for Trent is based in him being ‘The Football Guy’ in the room.
      If he and the HC can’t agree on what’s to be assembled, we’re going to give Cleveland a run for their money as the joke of the League.

      • NJ49er says:

        Meddling Ownership is my biggest concern in all of this.

      • 12th Man says:

        No other way to slice it NJ, Baalke has not had a good run for a while. I get that its hard to draft guys for a stocked and talented team but that is becoming less of a problem.
        The moneyball aspect doesn’t figure into the draft. I think you give Jed too much credit.

        Baalke needs a solid draft this time around, no more injured for the future (possibly) players.

  34. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, you act like the front office didn’t sabotage Kaepernick’s season last year. The same way they sabotaged Harbaugh’s season the year before. Whisper campaigns, indirect smears, on and on. Did he lose the players? Who knows? All that locker room shit around Nessa remains behind closed doors. As did the Ray McDonald shit earlier.

    Winning cures most of that noise, but the fact remains the front office has made it very clear they want Kappy out regardless of what they are saying.

    I don’t blame Kaepernick for wanting out.

    • 12th Man says:

      I’d say it’s 50/50 with Kap. Nobody is going to pay him 12 milly, Browns reportedly say 8 mil tops. Thats a big payout for some hurt feelings.

      Kap has to beat out his backup to start in a new system with a new coach that should suit him. Like NJ says, if he hasn’t got the balls for that then what use is he?

      It is disturbing that management keeps getting accused of back stabbing whether it’s real or not, that’s not a good look for a franchise.

      We will see soon enough, the clocks ticking.

  35. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, I don’t think Paraag is meddling with the draft. Or Jed. In what way shape or form does that even happen?

    Fucking Radnich is saying the free agency problems with the team now are because of Chip. And this draft is on Chip.

    Huh?

    At some point Baalke has to catch the heat for his inability to draft well.

    • 12th Man says:

      I don’t see Paraag or Jed much in the draft either. Coaches yes and maybe the Harbaugh/Baalke problems started there, who knows.

      Is Chip tainted? Probably, somewhat, but the players are mostly about the money. Strange to me that Baalke has followed his usual MO and laid back during free agency. I figured he would throw a few bucks around to try to make a statement that he and the team are serious about improvement. What’s the use of leaving the money for the next GM if he gets fired at the end of the year?

    • NJ49er says:

      Chuck I’ve read reports of Paraag having a ‘numbers’ (read as Moneyball), database on guys as potential Draftees.
      Let’s call it a Draft Calculation which crunches stats?

      If they were tinkering in Draft Math, it has to be assumed it influenced FA & certainly flew in the face of Baalke’s football mentality/instincts.

      It’s now become more math/business than coach/player relationships IMO.

      I lobby for the Football Guys, not the business guys.

      • NJ49er says:

        No matter how I look at this, the suggestions surrounding Paraag as a quasi-GM do nothing but undermine the Football process.

        It likely fits too, that Paraag got between Harbaugh/Baalke when it came to applying said ‘math’.

        Baalke plays along with Paraag as Daddy’s trusted confidante/assistant for no other reason than to keep his GM job.
        I’ll guarantee Harbaugh flipped out over that arrangement thinking he came to work with Trent, the guy that recruited him.

        It’s a circus of Moneyball meets Old School Football fundamentals, where the lines are blurred and no one communicates in GM/HC/Player terms in our locker room.

  36. unca_chuck says:

    Not sure where bakkenbuwwit gets his info, but the 49ers anf Faslcons have the toughest schedules in the NFL this year.

    You’re welcome.

  37. unca_chuck says:

    12th, it’s pretty much common knowledge that this front office has no problem throwing coaches, players, and even their own under the bus.

    Yeah, Chip is tainted until he shows improvement both with his players, and with his W/L record.

    Things were fine for him when he went 20-6. At least they were decent. A shit year and he’s tossed away. Much like Harbaugh, right or wrong. Again, though they both had varying degrees of subterfuge coming from their front offices.

    Trent has never been one to make a big splash in free agency, but this is ridiculous. We need help in a lot of areas and I didn’t think we’d sit on the sidelines for all of it.

    • Nipper says:

      BLEEP!

    • NJ49er says:

      Chip was given WAY TOO much authority in Philly Chuck.
      He also tarnished his reputation along racial lines too.
      Now he’s expected to revive our program after the Harbaugh Implosion?

      Who the F*ck wants to step onto this rudderless ship?
      Asking themselves, who is in charge and, who am I playing for?

  38. Winder says:

    NJ- Donahue was a football guy that walsh brought in. Look how that turned out. You gotta go with track record at some point and Baalke’s is not good at all football guy or not. Half of the stuff your saying is not provable at this point. Paraag’s job is all about money but his influence is totally unknown. Baalke should have been fired halfway through last year. That is Jed’s fault.

  39. rob says:

    Zane Beadles good pick up. O-line help. Pro bowler when playing in a zone scheme and 2nd rd pick.
    Now we have Staley, Beadles ,Kilgore and hopefully A Davis. Also Brown Tiller and Pears.

  40. rob says:

    Report: 49ers won’t release Colin Kaepernick and ‘there’s a good chance’ he stays put.
    Yessss !!!

  41. unca_chuck says:

    It’s a start, ROB!. I don’t think the Kappy situation is over by a long shot. We may add to the line still. My hope anyway. Pears has to be hitting the bricks. Theres still a ton of time between now and decision time for Kappy.

    I still think he’s going to Denver.

  42. unca_chuck says:

    NJ, the truth is, when Hue went, they had no choice but to get Chip. He was the only guy with any track record that was remotely decent. I had a few notions, but in the end they went with the guy that had SOME success. Burned bridges or no. I don’t really fault the hire based ion the alternatives (Nolan??? Shanahan??? Holmgren???) Fuck all that. But he brings what he brings. Some negative connotations. However, all his Oregon guys seem to love him. Whatever. As the story goes, winning cures all ills. In the immediate at least.

    The biggest problem is, and there are a lot, this season hinges on THIS draft. Any reasonable amount of success is predicated on the team drafting very well. Look at Washington. Granted they are in a weak division, but they turned over their roster and did pretty well for themselves. In one year. Our situation is nearly as dire or even direr (ahem). However, Scot hit the free agent market pretty hard last year and helped out the team immensely.

    • Nipper says:

      A hearty BLEEP to all!

    • NJ49er says:

      Chuck I’m in for fixing this mess.
      If it comes down to firing Baalke, it won’t shake me off the 9er bandwagon.
      My problem in all of this is, who’s in charge?

      Gamble is said to have influenced Chip’s hire.
      If Trent and Tom made that call, great.
      If Jed made that call, Trent is simply an empty suit here.

      I’ll look for the players to play.
      The Coaches to coach.
      All the while praying this dysfunction and meddling end.
      It starts and ends with Trent and Chip getting players they can agree on.
      After that, make it go.

  43. unca_chuck says:

    Gamlbe and Trent have worked together over the years, except or the last 2. Don;t know what that means, but he’s a football lifer as well. They have to do a better job immediately. This is their last chance.

    New thread is up.

  44. Nipper says:

    Please Lord I could use that Mercedes Benz! And a Niner team that has it’s shit together!

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