A Coach, a Coach, My Kingdom for a Coach

Any thoughts out there on the coaching search?

  • Is Hue the answer?
  • Chud?
  • Coughlin?
  • Holmgren/Shanny?
  • DeFilippo?
  • Anthony Lynn?
  • Other?
  • Unknown brainiac?

I think Hue would be a good hire, mainly because he’s used to clusterfucks as a way of coaching, and he’s got a solid ofensive plan. His one caveat, which may turn him off to lots o’ people, is his huge desire for the Raiders to draft Kappy during that 2012 draft.

I’m of a mind that Kappy still has a lot o to offer. I just wonder it it will be here. And yes I still think we need to try and get Goff in the 1st round.

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63 Responses to A Coach, a Coach, My Kingdom for a Coach

  1. snarkk says:

    This recent round of playoffs proves you need a top QB to do anything in the playoffs. In every game the team with the better QB won. – on the road. Get Goff…

    • 12th Man says:

      No question about it snarkk, been proven time and again. Its very difficult, and rare, to win the whole enchilada with a mid level talent QB. The hard part is figuring out if your QB is actually a top QB suffering from shitty coaching, scheme, surrounding cast or is in fact not the real deal.
      Carson Palmer was a discarded retread now playing at an elite level for instance.

      Is Kap really just not up to it or is it some blend of the other issues? $64,000 question.

      I agree with Chuck, Kap has more to offer than we saw last year.

      They changed his style of play, gave him statistically the worst OL in football, the 3rd hardest part of the schedule, a lousy TE group led by hands of stone Davis and his RB was playing injured as was he himself.

      Pile that on top of Chryst as the OC and who is to say if Kap is capable or not?

      Greater minds than mine need to weigh in on this. No not you V, I said greater.

  2. 12th Man says:

    I see what you did there Chuck…

  3. 12th Man says:

    As to your Q Chuck, Coughlin would get my vote.

  4. irishjoe16 says:

    Hue Jackson’s a joke that’s why Jed will hire him. Why do you insist of backing and believing in people who simply don’t belong here? Your acceptance of anyone has reached new limits Chuck.
    You don’t have to disrespect and insult others simply to hold your own ground. If you do, that shows how shaky your own position is.

    Yes you have followers here because that’s all you’ll attract, leaders would never continue to post here. It took Skeebers and his friends years to see the light but the difference here is at least they finally seen it. Remember intelligence is someone with the capacity for abstract thought or the comprehension of complex issues. Just backing anyone because our team leaders hire them only shows where the real stupidity lies. Not questioning or learning from continued bad moves simply shows a lack of wisdom on your part.

    Being stupid has to do with not understanding things, not learning from past experiences, and generally not using your brain. Every year you’re wrong yet every year you act as if you were right. Then those like me who end up being correct our silenced by you because of your unwillingness to face reality or hear the truth.

    Being human does come with the responsibility of holding people accountable and calling things out. A Crash Test Dummy can wear a 49er jersey and hold up a banner in support of our team only a human with a functioning brain can see the difference.

  5. unca_chuck says:

    Oh,V. No luck with your letters to the green? This ain’t the place . . . you should be writing Jolly Roger.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    It warms my heart to see 15 V posts caught in the spam filter . . .

  7. NJ49er says:

    12th I had the same thought today when word was out of the Coughlin interview request.
    One last ride for Coughlin to set the stage for Sean Payton when he’s free to seek his next gig?
    Seems like the least disruptive transition between Coaches IMO.

    • 12th Man says:

      Coughlin is widely respected, has more contacts around the league than God, is not interested in power grabs historically, has a successful track record including relatively recently and I don’t see Jed or Baalke getting into a pissing contest with him.

      The man has gravitas.

  8. Lurker John says:

    Kap may well still have something to offer (I’m dubious), but are the Niners willing to cough up $14M to find out?

    • 12th Man says:

      It will be 11M and if the new coach thinks he can resurrect him they will do that in a heartbeat. Gabbert didn’t frighten anyone.

  9. Lurker John says:

    Coughlin is a fine coach, possibly even warranting consideration for the HoF, but 69 years old? I don’t know. I guess if he feels like he still has the drive and passion to do it, okay, and I suppose that’s the only way he come back anyway. Jackson seems like the safer long term answer, but I expected him to be hired by today. He may well be off the table already. If that’s the case, once again, Baalke and Co will have been a day late and a dollar short. Same delay crap took place last year and we ended up with the toilet brush. Make your goddamn decision and let’s get on with it.

    • 12th Man says:

      Jackson seems like a guy learning to be a head coach to me. I don’t think the Niners need a newbie. He made a nasty mess at the end of his one and done Raider HC gig. Too many hot heads in 4949 as it is.

      The toilet brush may be a better option.

  10. Lurker John says:

    I am so done with Baalke at this point. Everything he does seems so slow and labored and indecisive. The right decision for Jed was to can not only Tomsula but Baalke as well. The dude has run his course and needs to go away.

    • 12th Man says:

      For better or worse Jed has given him one more spin of the wheel. Certainly Baalke needs to improve over his last few drafts. He knows it. Lets see what he does this year but I think its fair to say his strategy of believing his roster can withstand waiting a year or two for the injured guys he keeps drafting was optimistic. I don’t think any roster can afford to play Russian roulette like that regardless of the depth.

  11. NJ49er says:

    I find it curious that Baalke spent a marathon interview session a year ago, working to persuade Gase to come aboard Lurker John.
    How those efforts turned into forcing Tomsula into the mix lies squarely on Jed IMO.
    Baalke seems smart enough to know he needs an Offensive colleague to balance this roster.
    He tried it with Harbaugh, who brought in Kaep.
    Gase would have been a good transition in helping to improve Kaep’s shortcomings.

    I think Baalke is/was being manipulated, to some degree, by Jed/Paraag.

    I’d be fine with Coughlin as a precursor to potentially attracting Payton in a year or 2.
    Systems are similar and, could make for a smooth step in the right direction, for a young team trying to rebound.

    • NJ49er says:

      Especially when Gase ended up working with Fangio in Chicago.
      Something just didn’t make sense in that whole episode.

    • 12th Man says:

      I had similar thoughts NJ.

      • NJ49er says:

        Why doesn’t that surprise me 12th? 😀

        Baalke is one of those guys that shops ahead.
        Likely saw the injured guys as value Picks that were going to develop anyway?

        Now that we’re back in the top 10 range of talent acquisition the shopping success rate becomes a better gamble.
        Though those gambles are much more expensive of course.
        I’ve got mixed feelings on going QB at 7.

        I like Carson Wentz from NDSU perhaps later in RD1 top 2?
        If you’re going to replace the HC, as was done with Harbaugh, the next QB selection should fit what the next scheme is being built on IMO.
        A potential Coughlin to Payton transition would be damn near seamless in that regard.

        I just hope Jed is serious about paying a qualified HC and doesn’t cheap out.

  12. NJ49er says:

    If by chance I’m lucky enough to be holding the winning Powerball ticket this week, there will be a Luxury Box at Levi’s Stadium with my name on it.
    You’re all invited to share it with me 😀
    That would be some MAJOR EFF You money to party with.

  13. NJ49er says:

    Here’s some press for Wentz –

    http://tinyurl.com/z9estkf

    • NJ49er says:

      Looking like he’s going to go much higher than I initially expected him to.
      He could see the Mid 1st at this point?

  14. NJ49er says:

    Went back to find this piece from NN last year regarding the Baalke debate.
    Like most GMs, it’s never as easy as it seems to hit consistently on every move.
    One thing he might do differently this year is dabble at the higher end of FA, now that they’ve acquired some substantial pesos to add to the budget.
    Kaep’s deal won’t kill them, if they opt to move ahead without him, before April 1 either.

    http://tinyurl.com/hj7w3da

  15. Nipper says:

    Where’s Tomsula at this minute? Answer: laughing and counting his money. Stupid Jed is waiting for Baalke to do his thinking. What should I do Trent? Answer: Shut the bleep up!

  16. Nipper says:

    Tom Coughlin going from the penthouse to the outhouse. I don’t think so. At least in NY he had a QB.

  17. unca_chuck says:

    Coiughlin? No. He’s tired. Sure the press out here is worlds easier to deal with than the NY press, but still, he’d be walking into a clusterfuck and a possible dick swinging session with Baalke.

    Yeah, that deal with Gase last year left me baffled as well. If Jed did put the restrictions on the deal, then he deserves all the fuckedupedness he gets. If this drags out with Hue Jackson and he doesn’t come here, then we look like a total joke of a franchise.

    I’m wondering if someone hires Tomsula as a D line coach. For all his bafflement last season, he’s still a great line coach.

  18. 19cheifs says:

    There are two things that can happen when a Golden Franchise is set on your lap. One you can care about the standards, legacy and tradition the franchise had and want to continue moving football team in that direction. Or two you can stay complacent, milk it for what it’s worth and just do barely enough to not start a riot. I don’t need to tell you which path the York’s decided to take since their takeover.

    Since their arrival we tried everything opposite of what we should’ve been looking for. Erickson, Nolan, Singletary and even Harbaugh had no business here with his Jimmy Raye’s, Wild Cat offense, drafting Kaepernick. Those Disciples who carried Walsh’s vision were overlooked because money replaced winning and the standards once set here. Even when Mooch was asked why some kind of form of the WCO wasn’t used in Frisco anymore he looked puzzled himself.

    If Jed cared even a little about winning he would find someone who would bring us back to our roots and bring us back on a path we shouldn’t have left in the first place. Then and only then would we know he’s serious. His lackluster approach to winning by hiring people who simply do not belong here or just promoting clowns like Singletary and Tomsula because he doesn’t care must stop for us to believe that he’s serious. Please don’t bother questioning a form of the WCO coming back here because we tried it all the other ways and we failed miserably. I mean do you really prefer Jimmy Raye to Walsh’s offense? If you do you must be battling a case of Amnesia.

    The real problem we face is that everyone in the league knows the York’s are cheap and their commitment to winning is non-existent, so us attracting anyone who really has the credentials to be here and restore our tradition is very slim.

    • unca_chuck says:

      I’ll bite, V.

      Who? Who is out there to save the franchise, skippy?

      Gimme a name.

      Most people at least give Harbaugh credit for getting the team back to the NFL elite. Even if it was short-lived, and basically Scotty McLoughan’s doing. All you do is whine about the past. Blah blah blah.

      Since you haven’t noticed, the WCO as Bill Walsh designed it has been stopped by faster linebackers and schemes to take away the short passing game. There are variants out there, but they’ve morphed into deeper routes to try and clear out the flats. Or designing plays that Walsh hadn’t thought of.

      The TE drag route is a new variant of the WCO, but something that Walsh didn’t use. Mainly because the idea of sending the TE on deep seam routes was foreign to defenses back then, and it worked to perfection with guys like Charle Young, Russ Francis, and especially Brent Jones. That has been stopped, as we saw with VD, by putting a safety, or even double-teaming the TE rather than an LB alone. Even the TE/FB wheel route is a fairly new variant. Walsh used Rathman as a WR at times, but rarely in a sideline pass play as the wheel route is.

      If you act like a fucking normal person and not a whining bitch I might let you stay. Keep up with the whining and you go bye bye.

    • Nipper says:

      V can’t spell “chiefs.” And he’s never learned how to use spellcheck.

  19. dirtnrocksnomo says:

    If they were going to hire Hue don’t you think they would have pulled the trigger by now? If they’re going with Coughlin they may as well go with Holmgren. Why not bring in Doug Pederson of the Chiefs?

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Hue’s the one playing the field right now. He doesn’t have to jump at our offer. He can play it cool and see what other teams offer. If Jed doesn’t get Hue, it’ll be just like last year. A total fuckup on our part.

    We’ve made it very clear that we want Hue. If he passes, it’ll be a kick to the oblongs for Jed and the organization.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    There are a few guys I’d like to see brought in for a talk. If Hue bows us off. Rob Chudzinski has done well as Carolina’s OC. I seriously hope they don’t go the Shanny/Holmgren/Coughlin route.

    These guys may just be placeholders for the chance to get Sean Payton in a couple years, but that’s asinine thinking. He’s got 2 years left on his current contract. If the Saints crater this year, he may get fired anyway, but that seems a slim thread to hang on to to get the guy they want. And it means 1/2 years of stagnation.

  22. unca_chuck says:

    Rumors are flying around re Hue.

    Tim Kawakami of the Merc reported Tuesday afternoon that the 49ers are “no longer in the Hue Jackson sweepstakes. They COULD double-back, but sounds like that pursuit is over for now.”

    He later tweeted that Jackson was the 49ers’ frontrunner, “but something happened the last few days.” He indicated that the most likely “something” was the Browns.

    The 49ers were busy interviewing former Giants coach Tom Coughlin on Tuesday in New York. Kawakami and Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee both reported that Coughlin could ask Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo to join him in San Franciso.

    Jackson says he wants to inferview with the Giants before ha makes any kind of decision.

    Once again it looks like the Niners may be on the outside looking in when it comes to all these hires. If they don’t understand why by now, then they are clueless.

  23. Winder says:

    Jed might be a moron but, this mess is all on Baalke’s head. I don’t care who did what in the front office our roster decisions are on Baalke his draft record is horrible. The reason why no one wants to be our HC is also on Baalke, you can bank on it.

    • unca_chuck says:

      I was alluding to the fat that Baalke is the one who blocked the Gase move last year. By reason of not wanting to give up absolute control of the draft. Near as I can figure. I can’t see Jed giving a shit about Tomsula that much. Then again, that whole thing doesn’t make sense.

      If this is the case, then we will get another no-name/newbie head coach, as no big name guy will want to relinquish control over the draft picks.

      Which is why I wanted Baalke gone in the first place.

      Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

  24. unca_chuck says:

    Hmmm, wonder if ol’ Hue is waiting for the axe to fall on Marvin Lewis?

    The mgmt certainly could be fed up with the players’ antics under Lewis. It hasn’t improved in his tenure. If anything it has gotten worse. Kind of a Raiders east.

  25. Nipper says:

    The HC can only do so much. He needs a strong organization behind him which doesn’t exist in Santa Clara. It’s just not up to standards. Basically the Yorks are a mom and pop operation with a lot of bozos trying to be football savvy. They are not and the results are very apparent. Baalke is basically a scout. He scouts talent or hires guys to bird dog talent. And of course the talent keeps declining year to year. The results are just not there.

  26. Berger says:

    It is nice to be able to hate as much as I used to! When the Rams moved to St Louis I went live on the Mike Golic show( I was already doing his racing segment on Fridays) in Phoenix. I wrote faxes and letters to the LA Times and called into the LA radio shows to tell them we need to stop the Rams moving from the LA area because there is no way I could hate them as much if they moved. I was even happy for them when they won the Super Bowl in St Louis. There is no way that happens if they were in LA. Now that they are moving back I can get back to hating them as much as I used to. Welcome back Rams. Go 49ers! It is so nice to hate each other like we used to!

    • Nipper says:

      Yeah Rams are in LA. Raiders get shut out. Davis is all smoke and mirrors. Now he’ll try and con Oakland to give him some money. NFL saw through the Davis sham. San Diego at least has options which I bet they don’t take to move in with the Rams. Better to be miserable in San Diego than being second fiddle to the Rams.

    • Lurker John says:

      Ya, it’s going to be weird with the Rams being back in LA, but good too. That town should have an NFL franchise. There was a time, before the Golden Years, when the Rams fucking owned the Niners. As such, I grew up hating them as much as I hated the Dodgers.

  27. Lurker John says:

    Tomsula was the guy last year because he was all that was left after all the prime candidates told Baalke to take a flying leap. Talk about settling for the toilet brush. Nothing personal against Tomsula, but he was a horrible choice as a head coach. It’s like redux time this year. Jed should’ve canned Baalke. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I think it’s going hard to draw in top coaching talent as long as that dude is still GM.

    • Nipper says:

      That’s what happens when the owner is really just a name chosen by his relatives to run something he’s not equipped to deal with. “Winning with class” is bullshit. Who’s Jed kidding besides himself? He’s a joke and a joke he will remain.

  28. 12th Man says:

    You guys see Nolan is out as LB coach for the Chargers. Keeps sliding down the totem pole like its greased.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/12/babich-in-nolan-out-for-chargers/

  29. unca_chuck says:

    With our luck Jed will rehire him andhe’ll come back here.

  30. snarkk says:

    Kroenke would have moved to LA even if St. Louis offered him a gold plated stadium to stay. The LA dough is way too alluring. To a guy who has enough money that he can even count it. That is why cities shouldn’t drop in any of their own money to help out these owners. The owners will leave to wherever there is more money, no such thing as loyalty back to loyal fans….

    • Nipper says:

      Oakland is a prime example. Davis is ready to hop a moving van at the slightest hint of a new stadium in another town. He’s got no lease in Oakland. Loyalty is merely a word to him.

  31. Winder says:

    I’m glad the Raiders are staying in Oakland, it truly is who they are. No one can say Raider fans are not loyal they have had to put up with a lot of crap over the years. It does sound like the stadium project with the chargers was a little too much for the league to ok.

  32. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, but it’s merely a stop-gap for a year or 2. Mark Davis still wants to move the team into a gleaming new stadium. Funny to me is the pass he gets from Raider fans. He’s actively trying to leave Oakland, and the fans are like, ehhh. When they go, will they still like him?

    New thread is up.

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