Is This The Longest Offseason Ever?

What’s funny is I remember saying this last year amidst the trade rumors around our head coach, the talk that the GM and HC hadn’t spoken in months, and the innuendo around the Jim Harbaugh insanity whirlwind hyperbole generation machine. Brought to you by Deion Sanders, Jay Glazer, Jayson Stark,  Trent Dilfer, Steve Young, ESPN, Comcast, Fox Sports, and the millions of other media types that weighed in on the state of the franchise as they struggled through an injury-ridden and thoroughly disheartening season.

8-8 at the start of the Harbaugh regime would have been seen as a nice improvement over the previous staff. Fortunately (for the fans) and unfortunately (for St. Jim) Harbaugh took them to 13-3. An amazingly quick turnaround, especially due to the fact that it was a strike-shortened preseason.  The offense was what it was, and the defense was what it was. The numbers all remained fairly similar.

Except for one thing. Wins and losses. A team that couldn’t win close games or win with any consistency suddenly became an NFL juggernaut. From laughingstock to Super Bowl favorites in short order. After coming oh so close in 2012, the 2013 season was another let-down on the doorstep of the Super Bowl. While the team was still considered a contender,  the shit show gained full momentum. Not even going to rehash all that except to say we’ll never know who did what to whom, but it sure seemed like all sides were hell-bent on parting ways. Throw in a forgettable season, and there you go. It played out how it did. Harbaugh and most of the coaches left, and players retired, re-upped elsewhere,  or left via trade.

So where are we now? Well, this is the crux of the biscuit. I’m of a mind that despite the changes and roster turnover, we still have a very good team. Especially defensively. Something that was already a strength. Mangina has plenty of NFL experience and has some HCing (varying levels of success) under his belt. LB coach Jason Tarver has DC experience with the Raiders, D line coach Scott Brown has 35 years in football, and had DCed for Colo St. DB coach Tim Lewis, a great DB back in the day, has DC experience for the NY Giants among other stops in his 21 year coaching career.

So much for the theory that this team didn’t start good coaches.

Offensively we have ex-Dalphin and Raider HC Tony Sparano, tasked with getting VD,  VMcD, and Derek Carrier going after a shit season for all the TEs, RB coachTom Rathman, who has been instrumental in the continued development of the run game, and O line coach Chris Foerster, a guy with a track record of nothing but success in his different schemes that he’s used over his coaching career.  A new set of WR coaches in Ronald Curry and Adam Henry (LSU’s WR coach for Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry) and the departure of Michael Crabtree give me hope for a resurgence among the WR corps.

The big question mark remains the duo of QB coach Steve Logan and OC Geep Chryst. Logan traces his coaching roots to Jimmy Johnson at Okla St, and he head coached the college powerhouse East Carolina winning a couple bowl games along the way and beating Miami 31-6 in their worst home defeat in years. He’s well-versed in the West Coast Offense, and appears at least to be installing an up-tempo rhythm-based offense. All good news to me. The Geepster? He’s the guy I don’t have  any real concept of his game. He was OC in San Diego at a time when the Chargers were dogshit.  I mean really. Jim Harbaugh was his starting QB. Erik Kramer was his backup. They did manage to break even at 8-8. The next year, of course was the Ryan Leaf Experience, and one last gasp  of Jim Harbaugh as an NFL QB. A 1-15 debacle of epic proportions.

I guess that’s impetus right there for Chryst to get off to a hot start.

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76 Responses to Is This The Longest Offseason Ever?

  1. unca_chuck says:

    What’s even funnier is that since I’ve been banned, all they talk about is this shining beacon of blogitude.

    • Nipper says:

      You’re famous or is it infamous on the “other” blog? At least you’re not forgotten.

  2. Berger says:

    Nipper said it best, and like it is. They’ll be cheering losses, we’ll be cheering wins. They’ll deny but that would be a lie.

    • rtfirefly says:

      Only until we lock up the #1 overall pick. Then I’ll be cheering wins.

      • Berger says:

        I can’t agree with that philosophy but at least you are honest about it.

      • rtfirefly says:

        The goal is to win multiple Super Bowls not be stuck on 6-10 with an 8-8 season considered a success, like it was with the Yorks pre-Harbaugh. Or was Jed lying again?

  3. NoFear49er says:

    well, it will be a change for most of youse guys to be cheering for wins. Just last year the same geniuses were pushing the idea that wins don’t mean shit. Now they do? And they are to be cheered? Hoping for relevant now. Hypocrisy runs rampant in the idiocracy.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    RTF, hate to burst your theory, but in the last 30 years there has been ONE team to win a Super Bowl after having the #1 pick. And that would be the 1997 Rams, who drafted Orlando Pace.

    They won the Super Bowl 2 years later. However, I think it was Kurt Warner who had a little more to do with the victory than OP.

  5. unca_chuck says:

    Hard to reach the playoffs and reach the Super Bowl without first winning games, eh, Sgt. Schultz?

    (I know nuuuuuthink!!!)

    Did last year teach you nothing? Apparently not.

  6. unca_chuck says:

    For shits and giggles, here’s the thread after the Washington win.

    The posts are very telling from the folks who were at the game . . .

    https://ninersforever.com/2014/11/22/are-we-the-plane-or-the-quonset-hut/?fb_action_ids=735871719799560&fb_action_types=news.publishes&fb_ref=pub-standard

  7. unca_chuck says:

    If first round picks guaranteed success, RTF, then the Cleveland Browns would be multiple Super Bowl winners.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    NoFear, I always go back to your bold prediction in 2011 that the Niners would fall somewhere between 10-6 and 6-10.

    That sort of reckless abandon is refreshing. Wrong, but refreshing.

  9. rtfirefly says:

    Yeah, the Mannings with their 3 Rings are chopped liver. Plus your timetable forgot Troy Aikman. Gee, that’s 7 Rings in 30 years Don’t count out either Manning or Luck for future wins, either.
    I’ll take my chances with guys like Bo Jackson, too, though Bo doesn’t know Rings. What’s a higher %, 23% that the #1 overall gets or the 3.1% that each team has per year on average?

    BTW, it’s not JUST the 1st round that the overall #1 gives you good position. That’s the point.

  10. rtfirefly says:

    Then there’s Bruce Smith ( 4 SBs and in HOF), Russell Maryland (3 RIngs), Keyshawn Johnson (1). I’m not counting bench guys like Drew Bledsoe or David Carr.

  11. rtfirefly says:

    Actually, that’s 26.8% of the last 30 SBs won by a team starting one or more of their own #1 overalls (not counting Aikman and Maryland’s SBs twice).

  12. rtfirefly says:

    Oops, Keyshawn won his Ring with the Bucs. Make that 23.3% again. Guys like Carson Palmer, Stafford, Clowney and Andrew Luck are still in the picture. Even a guy like Mario Williams of the Texans is no slouch.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    Your point is flawed. If draft position mattered, the Browns, Jets, TB the like would be doing much better than they are.

    Teams like NE and Green Bay don’t get to draft very high yet still make good picks. If you think Dallas won with one pick then you are a cherry picker. They had 3 years of favorable draft positioning and got 8 picks for Herschel Walker. Free agency, injuries, and about 100 other things determine success in the game. If it was easy to win, the Browns would have a championship in the past 52 years. They’ve had great drafting spots forever and have turned that into nothing.

    Ooops. 20 years. So my fuzzy math is shitty. Sue me. I’m going with 20 years. so 2 picks that won 3 in the past 20 years. Fine. Who’s our Super Bowl winning QB in the next draft, RTF? Christian Hackenberg? Groucho Marx? BTW, Bruce Smith won 0 Super Bowls. Keyshawn Johnson? Gimme a break. That’s like touting Bill Ring for the Niner Super Bowl wins. You are grasping at straws.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Beyond that, Indy’s an outlier. One shitty year around many good ones and they draft likely another HOF guy? Well, he keeps throwing picks like he does he’s destined to be a little short of greatness. . . .

  15. unca_chuck says:

    Really got to wonder about BakkenSpit. For someone to go to all that work . . .

  16. rtfirefly says:

    I didn’t say Bruce Smith won a Ring, I said he was in 4 SBs and is now in the HOF.

    The Pats have won far more than 3.03% of the time in the past decade and are current contenders. Likewise, the Steelers and Giants for the last forty (!) years and they too are perennial contenders. If you can tell me how our ownership and FO can morph into one of them, I’m all in. Otherwise, I’ll root for the first overall and 23.3% chance of winning a Ring. Go ahead and stick with 8-8 and 3.03%. Good luck with that. I’d like to see a Lombardi in what’s left of my lifetime.

  17. unca_chuck says:

    One doesn’t lead directly to the other dude. But carry on.

  18. rtfirefly says:

    I will guarantee you right now that the Niners without Willis, Borland, Smith, a secondary, with a rehabbed-we-hope-for-the-best Bowman, without Iaputi, Davis, Gore, Crabtree, and Lee is not going to win the Super Bowl this year or even compete for it.

    Aiming for the #1 overall, which gives you a better chance but does not guarantee a stud or studs like the above with the better draft position through 7 rounds, is the way to go. But that’s my last on the subject. I’m just saying, rooting for temporary failure in a league which rewards it makes sense (so long as you know what you’re doing, and not acting like failure is a birthright).

  19. unca_chuck says:

    So it was ok to go 8-8 with Harbaugh but not these coaches? If the Super Bowl loss taught me anything (or the fucking lucky-ass NY giants) it’s that a fair to middling team can a ride a hot streak to the trophy.

    We certainly have the players, but Pining for perfection isn’t going to happen. All those guys that you mention minus Gore didn’t play much if at all. With bowman back I think the d will be fine. Mangini is no slouch himself so I think the d won’t suffer too much.

    The O? That’s the $64,000 question. If the offense can gain consistency we should be in the mix.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Funny that Bullit sees last year as a possible 12-4 season. Sure, if the coaching staff didn’t choke away games by going conservative. Look at the giant and wash games. Ultra conservative play calling could have very easily lost those games. By the time Oakland rolled around the team ha zero confidence in the offensive coaching staff.

    What Harbaugh did by the end was go back to what worked 2 years ago. Gore gore and more gore those last 3 games. Harbaugh hamstrung Kappy by forcing him to try and be Peyton manning and told him not to run. This was the same failure of Nolan and Alex Smith. Nolan wanted Smith his way. He never played to Alex’s strengths. It was both their undoings.

    Carroll USES what RW offers. Harbaugh tried to stifle it. That’s why he’s an idiot. Harbaugh is all about way or the highway. How was the drive to Michigan, Jim?

    • Berger says:

      I don’t think Harbaugh told Kap not to run. I do think they designed plays that were full of “dumb schemes”. I do believe they told Kap to look deep and stay on it when he could have thrown to an open short option. We were running versions Bo Schembechler offense. It doesn’t work in the pros. Like many said, we were running a college offense and like NJ often said. We were playing checkers while the other team was playing chess. We were just outcoached too often.

  21. Berger says:

    I will defend RT a little. Even though I would never want to tank a season for a draft pick, it was obvious we were a lousy team last year. I didn’t mind a couple extra losses if it helped get rid of some coaches to make us stronger for the future. Even when our record with Seattle was competitive at Thanksgiving last year it was obvious to me that we were not a good team and that the biggest problem was coming from the coaching staff. We were going nowhere fast no matter what the win loss record was. I said often that if we need to fire Harbaugh to fire Roman then that is what must be done. It was so bad with the coaching staff that I was willing to take some losses to get some changes made. We took some losses and replaced some coaches and hopefully the changes were for the better. I think our 49ers made some good choices. We do know the previous staff had no idea of how to call an offense with rhythm.

    Some people are so incredibly stupid they will call out the QB when it is a fact that the coach chooses the QB. They go hand in hand. If those dummies want to call out the QB they are in fact calling out the coach who chose him to be his guy. Some will never understand that.

    I do agree with Harbaugh in that I think Kap is the right QB and this new staff will show us what can be had with better play calling.

    I said what needed to be done last year. It is what was done and now we will see how it works out. I am excited about the upcoming season.

  22. Nipper says:

    Winder deserves an award for trying to reason with the unreasonable on the “other” blog. Bravo Winder!

  23. unca_chuck says:

    If we could retroactively lose the Wash and Giants games, I’d be down with that. It was fairly obvious we couldn’t get our shit together. I kept waiting for it to happen but it never did. It got worse. Why is that? Because the Michigan job was coming available? Could be . . .

    I heard from the coaching staff at least 15 times how they wanted to limit Kappy’s running last year. That fact isn’t really up for debate.

    Turns out Kappy rushed for MORE yards last year than the year before. Mainly because the pocket couldn’t hold back anyone or anything and he was forced to run for his life.

    The overarching point to all this, and V is right about one thing, there isn’t a whole lot of difference between 8-8 and 11-5. Or 8-8 and 4-12. Which is why I don.t buy RTF’s theory for a second.

  24. unca_chuck says:

    Hate to answer Bullit’s ludicrous assumptions here but since Skeebers can’t take opposing viewpoints (what a pussy), I have to address his shit here.

    The difference between Bochy and Harbaugh is a bit, how you say, gulf-wide? Did Bochy demand a restructuring of his contract after one year as a coach? Did he even ask for that restructuring after winning the World Series? Did he go out of his way to piss everybody off in the front office? No No and No. Did Bochy force the local media to decipher his weirdly cryptic and often aggressive pressers? No.

    Harbaugh by his own admission is an abrasive personality. Think Big Tuna. Was Parcels run out of town despite being successful? Sure. 3 times. Then take a look at a guy like Bobby Cox. 17 years (or whatever) as the manager of the Braves. Through good times and bad.

    Point being, Harbaugh PLAYED HIS PART IN GETTING TOSSED. You guys all think this is unprecedented, but the coaching ranks are littered with guys like Harbaugh. You all think he played the saint in all this, but he didn’t. I’m so sick of fucking talking about this, but NONE of you even consider that Harbaugh did anything wrong. As if telling your boss he’s a pussy isn’t going to engender a reaction from the Front Office and that they should just let it slide because he had a 3 good years.

    If Harbaugh truly wanted to be here he wouldn’t have forced the hand of the front office at every opportunity. If Harbaugh wanted to stay at Stanford, he would have. You guys are loons.

    • Berger says:

      Di\d Bullit really compare Harbaugh with Bochy? You’re kidding me, right? I’d go read it but I might shit my pants from laughing too hard.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    Yup. Bullit also doesn’t know the difference between offense and defense. What a fucking idiot he is. It was another gem of circular logic and idiotic assumptions.

    Fuck. Between spitty and Bullit the collective IQ of that blog drops 90 points per post. I guess I shouldn’t say that. Spitty’ the voice of reason over tbere.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    I mean, of course, of the malcontents.

  27. unca_chuck says:

    Bullit’s off the rails. Hmmm. Bochy has a 3-1 record in the world series. He took a vastly undermanned Padres team to a World Series an won 3 with the giants.

    Harbaugh? 1-2 in NFCCG and 0-1 in Super Bowls.

    When will tbat elevator reach the top floor skippy?

    If Bochy called Larry Baer a pussy and back stabbed everyone in the front office he wouldn’t last you fucking turnip.

  28. Berger says:

    I just read Bullit’s Bochy comments. When you are a person who only understands numbers you make those assumptions. He obviously is not a Giants fan or he would know the difference between then two. Harbaugh was given top of the line talent here in SF, Bochy wasn’t. Bochy helped build the bullpen just like he did in SD. Bochy was part of the building process. Harbaugh was given a great roster. If Harbaugh hadn’t alienated the entire front office he probably would have been able to have a bounce back year. Bochy has too much class to even think of doing such a thing. A person who only understands numbers can never understand these differences.

  29. Berger says:

    Now Bullit is in desperation mode and is looking stuff up from years ago. This is why nobody likes him why so many stop posting with him. He is an annoying fuck. What he is doing is proving my last sentence, “A person who only understands numbers can never understand these differences.” I need to ignore him before I start developing his blog cancer.

  30. Berger says:

    Did anybody watch the MLB All-Star pre game ceremony? My all time favorite baseball player is Willie Mays. Seeing him announced as “who many say is the best all around player in baseball history” got my eyes watery!

    • rtfirefly says:

      I still carry one of his baseball cards in my wallet. Honest, though it’s not the good one I had when I was a kid that had every season and career stats. I first saw him play at Candlestick in the mid-’60s with the Catholic Youth Organization, another of Mom’s attempts to make me religious – HA! Left field upper reserved I think, great seats later in the game, though, when all of us kids came down to the lower deck sun.

    • Winder says:

      Mine too. I did get a little misty at the 84 all star game. I really did love the stick and the 60’s Giants. What a fucking organization and we didn’t win squat, but to me they have always been the best.

  31. unca_chuck says:

    Good to see we’ve driven Bullit around the bend. They had high draft picks for 7 years and had a defense that was top notch. Smith was being coaches badly and they had the fastest TE in the league plus Frank Gore. Yeah, throw in Patrick Willis and Justin smith donte whitener and on and on.

    Yeah he turned gold into silver.

  32. unca_chuck says:

    Bullit calls bullshit on the narrative??? That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read.

    You gonna correct my spelling buwwit? Or straighten my sheets?

    Good God. Funny shit.

    • 12th Man says:

      Chuck you need to go to rehab to get over your Bullit addiction. He is a small minded guy who needles everyone. I stopped dealing with him long ago, its a waste of time and energy.

  33. Berger says:

    I just found a recipe for tofu that I like.
    1. Throw the tofu in the trash.
    2. Cook some meat!

  34. NJ49er says:

    Berger check these guys out – New Aussie Blues Rock Group – Datura4 –

    http://tinyurl.com/p99ug26

    Not sure if this will link for you directly, as it’s at rdio.com but, it’s free to subscribe.
    Debut album is excellent IMO.

  35. unca_chuck says:

    Just for fun . . .

  36. unca_chuck says:

    Here’s a message from George Clinton to Skeebers and company.

    Free your mind and your ass will follow. Jealous that my daughter just saw Bootsy Collins a couple weeks ago. She sent me a 45 second vid and said the show was fantastic.

  37. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah. Love that old funk. First album I evern bought was Quadrophenia by the Who.

    Second album was Fire by The Ohio Players.

  38. Nipper says:

    Geneoushire bans all heathen music. Only chamber music is allowed.

  39. unca_chuck says:

    You wanted Smith back, NoFear. Don;t fucking whine up that tree. I ended up being proven right about Smith. Id been saying for years with better coaching he’d do better. Harbaugh’s chickenshit offense would deo better with a guy like Smith in there.

    Emmissary? Give Skeebers shit for banning me, you hypocrite. Winder’s only spelling out for Bullit the point. Which always seems to elude buwwitt.

    It’s just pathetic that some folks can’t take a differing point of view.

    The team had talent when Harbaugh got here. Is that a shock to admit? To some its blasphemy.

    Like some people who can’t admit the 2012 team had more talent than this current version.

    The narrative must survive!!!!!

  40. unca_chuck says:

    Now Singletary’s failings are York’s fault? Wow. That’s a stretch even for you, NoFear.

    Then York gets credit for making Harbaugh a magnificent coach.

    For 3 years, anyway.

  41. 12th Man says:

    Chuck its getting weird in here dude.

    • Berger says:

      I agree. I read that other blog for 2 or 3 days and got caught up in the puerile bullshit. I’d rather not even hear about it.

      • 12th man says:

        That blog has become the tornado of bullshit.
        I will wait till the season starts before reading it, maybe, perhaps some actual football will calm those hysterical minds.

  42. NJ49er says:

    Justin Smith to join his Alma Mater as a Strength Coach?

    http://tinyurl.com/ng3nsx4

  43. NJ49er says:

    Not sure if this was shared yet?
    Some input regarding the Mangini Defense offered from BR –

    http://tinyurl.com/pdc7rgt

  44. rob says:

    In a news article on nbc bay area kurt warner has new comments and observations on kap. warner is pretty happy with kappy and thinks he’ll succeed this year !

  45. rob says:

    in news on the home front …
    we just buried my father , Ed De Luca sr. in arlington national cemetary . Dad was a world war two vet and spent 6 months as a P.O.W.

  46. unca_chuck says:

    Sorry to hear that, Rob. Condolences to you and your family. My dad was also of tbat era . Fighter pilot for the AAC. By he time he left it was the Air Force.

  47. rtfirefly says:

    Hey, that’s too bad Rob. Almost nine years since my Dad died, at least now I can laugh about it. My Dad stole my uncle’s car to drive 500 miles to Denver to volunteer after Pearl. He wound up a company clerk in the middle of nowhere in Alaska at a non-existent CW base. (My uncle, he of the car, was already a civilian pilot and became an AAC flight instructor for the duration.)

    My best to your family and you, Rob!

  48. Nipper says:

    Skeebers keeps the name calling going. So much time and so little to say.

  49. NoFear49er says:

    Rest easy old warrior.

    DeLuca, I hope the wait for Arlington wasn’t too bad.
    Condolences to you and family.

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