Well, there you go. An offense that struggled against some bad teams was completely overmatched by Seattle. This season is pretty much lost , so I guess the Harbaugh watch starts tomorrow. Frankly, I’m pissed this offense has been pretty much a failure. I’m at the point where I don’t know if the coaching staff has fucked Kaepernick to the point of his indecision and not trusting himself, or if he just isn’t getting past his 1st read and just chucking away.
Beyond this game, Roman has been a failure throughout this season. Kaepernick hasn’t grown as a QB, and the new weapons we have were basically ignored after week 8. VD has been a disaster, Crabs has been fair to middling, and the run game has disappeared. Boldin has been the only consistent WR on the team, and the parade of backup TEs have done nothing. I heard Collinsworth say t0night that he saw Harbaugh start to take over the play calling in the middle of the 3rd quarter. How he knew that I don’t know, but if it took Jimbo this long to figure the play calling needs help, then I don;t know what he has been watching these past 10 weeks.
Where are we as a team? Well, the defense is beyond awesome. Despite killer injuries. The offense? I don;t know. Harbaugh may have resurrected Alex Smith’s career, but I think he’s breaking Colin Kaepernick.
Forty Niners Forever 
Only saw the end of this game. Bummed I saw that much of it.
Happy thanksgiving to you and your family, Chuck.
Thanks, Flav. Same to you and yours. It was a thoroughly depressing game. I’m seriously behind losing Harbaugh at this point. He can’t see how shitty this offense has been, and it has been going on all year. They haven’t grown at all as an offense and they had a lot more options this year. Kappy hasn’t progressed as well. Some of that is on the coaches.
“I’m seriously behind losing Harbaugh at this point.”
*Now* you’re seriously behind firing Bo Schembechler Jr.™? Ha! That’s rich.
I nominate that comment to be TPPDPOTD.
The Perpetually Post-Dated Post of the Day.
Better late than never. Fuck you.
That was ten different kinds of ugly. Seattle has a good defense. Not as great as we made them look. Kap looked as bad as ever. This offense, for lack of a better term, can`t scare anyone. Except us fans. Shoot me, for f*cksake.
Bang!
In conclusion…… BLEEP!
Anybody here who still thinks Harbaugh will be coaching in SF next year? Anyone who still wants Harbaugh to be coaching in SF next year?
BULLBLEEP!
HORSEBLEEP!
Grow up Dennis. You want a medal for me coming around to a different point of view?
Wah!!! Go fall off a bar stool.
Some people are advocating Gabbert in there. Good luck with that. Kappy had a bad game, but no need to trash the offense more than it already is.
Still advocating losing Roman though. His insistence on throwing deep was terrible. Kappy has to adjust out of those plays however. Beyond that, Collinsworth did his usual Niner rip job. He said Lloyd was wide open on a play where he was blanketed by Maxwell. He did miss o. The fade to Miller. Yes, a fade to Miller. Brilliant. Not VD. Not Boldin. Miller.
After the Super Bowl I thought the window was still wide open for this team. after last year, it was shutting. Now it’s closed. I think there’s about a 3% chance Harbaugh sticks around.
Whether he was the agent of his own demise will be debated, but he’s out after this season.
Kap played like shit, no excuses for some of those throws.
Roman HAS to go if the Niners have any shot at saving whatever is left of the O team confidence. I don’t have any faith in Roman and it is clear the players don’t either. Staley and Crabme have referenced scheme in losses.
Harbaugh should have pulled Roman weeks ago, instead he stuck with him and there will be wholesale changes after the season. Take a leaf out of your brothers book Harbaugh and do it today when there is 10 days to put a game plan together.
Jed tweets “not good enough” or words to that effect, no shit Sherlock, what took so long to figure that out?
Baalkes daughter tweets “Niners don’t want you no more”, or similar about Roman, think she heard Daddy say something?
Ballke has angry meeting in a glass room off the main locker for everyone, press included, to see. About time Baalke.
The O has never been good under Roman but it has been really hideous all year, the guy is in over his head, way over.
Carrier is gone for the year which limits what can be done about Davis who is clearly playing timid to avoid injury. Crabme is done, he is selfish and destructive to the team even though he still makes some plays.
Statistically still in it but no chance in reallity unless they make a change at O coordinator and even then it is a slim chance.
I’m a Niner fan as much as any but am very disappointed Harbaugh has not done anything about the inept O for so long. Look aound the league and see teams change O identity week by week to suit the opponent. Niners just run the same old same old and hope it works, uninspiring to say the least.
I was going to post something but 12th said so much so well I have to take a breath! Good job 12th.
Well I agree! With the first line anyway.
Keapernick’s all we’ve got. And he’s got all the potential to be great in this league but he’s going to have to become a pocket passer if he’s going to survive long enough to realize it in the NFL. We are going through the difficult transition now. And it will be difficult until the light goes on for Kaepernick.
No good/great receivers are going to be happy in a run-first, low-passing offense, Crabtree among them. The only way to go forward and keep some top quality receivers interested in playing here is to develop the passing game and that starts with the QB. Blame coaching or play calling but there is no magic coaching that’s going to make Kaep “get it” before he’s ready to “get it.”
No players are blaming the offensive scheme for anything. That’s merely wishful thinking from a few fans who think the players, who keep blaming their own lousy execution publicly, are on the same wild page they are.
Crabtree said we got out schemed. Gore said we have the players. That was yesterday. We know about Staley calling out dumb schemes. I’d say the players re doing some blaming of the schemes.
Crabtree was talking about the Seahawk’s defense and Staley was talking about the o-line’s blocking schemes. You take that to mean Roman is a bad player and a bad OC? No, that isn’t what either player said. It’s all pushing an agenda to you.
“bad player s/b “bad play caller”
Just keep your head in the sand. You are only going to se what you want to see.
I had to leave the Alex Smith blog for a while until Roman is fired. Kap had a terrible game but not one mention was about Roman. They must still be mad Alex was let go. Even Crabtree said we got out schemed. Who does the scheming, the QB or the coach?
Lemoneir is still trying to tackle that elusive punter who dropped the ball deep in his own territory. That must have been Kap’s fault along with the fumbled punt return on the same play. Or the other thing that crossed my mind is he didn’t do a very good job of handing the ball off to Gore or he would have had more touches and a better than 2.8 yds per carry. Obviously that was Kap’s fault. Too bad Kap wasn’t on the field when Wilson dropped the ball out of nowhere and we couldn’t fall on it. That was Kap’s fault too. Skeebers must have his nose firmly crammed in Roman’s butt hole to not mention the terrible game plan. We all seemed to notice it and even the GMs daughter noticed it and tweeted we don’t need Roman anymore. But the instead the nose in Roman’s butt hole man wants to switch QBs. Too funny. Still loving him some Smith “The Shredder” and it shows.
OK, that’s enough about that.
Didn’t see or hear the game last night.
Seeing plenty of the post-game folderol today to pretty much know what happened.
There’s nothing wrong with the defense, it’s playoff quality, which is amazing given the loss of starters. The offense and special teams are below average. When 2/3 of the team is below average, you’re likely not going to the playoffs.
I’m not smart enough or care enough about the Niners to debate what’s wrong with this offense. All I know is it has enough decent to good players to be way better than it is. My guess is it’s a combination of things. Some offensive players see themselves gone already, OLine was messed up from the get go this season, Gore was done last season, Roman ahd Harbaugh have designed an offense to make Kap into a QB that he isn’t or can’t ever be, result of all of it is phtttt on the offensive end. Radio today mentioned something I didn’t know — Kap never seems to look at pictures of the defense and go over things with the coaches on the sidelines between offensive drives — like just about all other QBs. You’d think he would be doing that. I have no explanation for that observation…
The group I was with were talking about that during the game. Kap just stares at the field when the Niner’s D is out there. How does that benefit him at all? A lot of QBs would be looking at photos or talking to a coach once in a while. Do the Niners have a QB coach? I’m guessing that they do. Harbaugh isn’t the QB coach also, is he? And if he is, he should be doing more coaching of Kap on the sideline once in a while. Carroll could be seen debriefing with Wilson after drives.
I’m down on Harbaugh and Kap at the moment, but that doesn’t negate what they’ve accomplished. They came extremely close to winning a Super Bowl, and brought the Niners back into relevance. It just seems that Harbaugh’s window may be closing already. The fans are getting restless, and the style of play, on offense, is not entertaining. I’ve never been a fan of boring smash-mouth football. I remember Singletary saying “We’re going to hit people in the mouth.” And, I thought, yeah, that’s something Ditka would say. Ditka won in ’85 with a Bears team super-loaded with talent, but all of those ’85 Bears thought they were going to win more than one Super Bowl. They watched the “finesse” Niners win five. Tom Rathman, a fullback, caught 50 passes one year in that West Coast offense. That seems like science fiction, now, compared to the current Niners.
NoFear, does anyone bemoan the fact that Russell Wilson has 680 yards on the ground? Twice as much as Kaepernick?
No. The Niners are taking away a potent element of Kappy’s game by trying to force him to be something he’s not. They should be emphasizing him throwing on the move and buying time, and giving him more midrange options instead of fade routes and outs. Which is ALL WE RUN. Beyond the fact we have no TEs that are providing anything, they need to emphasize checking down to Kappy. And give him the option.
And answer me this, NoFear. Why is our fullback going deep? Why isn’t that Vernon Davis? Or Boldin? Or Lloyd? Or anyone but the short slow guy? Sure, he shouldn’t have throw that pass, but why the fuck is Miller in the pattern as an option in the 1st place?
Zumie, this is what I mean when I say the team and the players are pretty much down with the fact that Harbaugh is gone. No one on offense really seems to give a shit other than Boldin and Gore. Kappy? Shit, I don’t know. He’s certainly not progressing from last year. He hit the league by storm and played a lot looser and hit passes all over the field. It feels like he’s being forced to do something he isn’t comfortable with.
Steve Young didn’t become a good QB until it sank in that he had to be a pocket passer to make his running ability worth anything long term. He started to learn to read his progressions and execute the play as it was intended. Just look what happened to RGIII trying to let his legs do the quarterbacking. If we had a second option at passer we could let Kaepernick learn the ropes at his own pace, but we don’t.
“The fullback is always open” because nobody covers him. Were you complaining when Staley scored because it wasn’t 81, 84 or 85?
“It feels like he’s being forced to do something he isn’t comfortable with.” Because he is. Stand in the pocket and find the open man. Learn timing passes. Throw to a landmark instead of the man. Anticipate where the defenders are going to be by the movement you see. Don’t give up on the play too early. Don’t hold the ball too long. Work on accuracy and touch. You didn’t just win the lottery, son. You signed up to work your ass off to become the best QB you can be.
RW routinely breaks contain and makes plays with his legs and his arm. Is he a pocket passer? No. Forcing Kaepernick to stand and deliver in the pocket ISN’T WORKING. This is a proven fact. Teams are HAPPY Kappy isn’t taking off.
Staley scored what? What are you talking about? 81 84 85? What the fuck are you talking about? Miller was covered on that play. No, Kappy shouldn’t have thrown it. My point is, he shouldn’t even be an option in the route. You do realize that ‘don’t hold on to the ball too long’, and ‘don’t give up on the play too early’ are complete opposites? Platitudes don’t win games. This coaching staff needs to adjust to what Kappy’s skill set is and not force him to be Peyton Manning. It’s completely stupid to do what they are doing to Kaepernick. And they will continue to lose if they play offensive football like this.
If you haven’t noticed, we don’t have a speed WR. NONE of our guys get open quickly. Look at the replays, and you routinely see everyone going 8 yards, turning around and stopping. Then what? Nothing. VD might as well be a cardboard cutout. Our pass plays are 90% of 10 yard outs, and now sideline fades. This passing game is still the most boring in the league. Mainly because we still can’t draft a WR with any speed and our pass plays are not designed to get people open quickly. Stevie Johnson should be getting the bulk of the 2 routes. He seems to be the opn;y one who gets clean quick..
How did we beat GB in the playoffs last year? Kappy playing rigid isn’t working.
BLEEP IT!
The Seahawks players know what routes are coming. The reason I know this, they are telling us. They keep telling us our tendencies are easy to pick up. So much so they baited our coaches into the ill fated fade route play last year. Sherman said when Lloyd did the stutter step he knew exactly what route was coming. Also, we throw a lot of 50/50 balls as part of our game plan, Seattle is the best team in the league at defending those types of patterns. I think Seattle has Roman’s number and it has gotten into Kap’s head. Kap plays well in games not vs the Seahawks.
With all of the Kap bashing I’m guessing nobody noticed Gore averaged only 2.8 yards per carry and had only 10 touches. With this “new” offense we should be running the ball better but it isn’t happening. We don’t even try in many games. Against the Giants we were ripping off big gains and RoBaugh just kept ignoring the run. I’m not sure they know exactly what they are trying to achieve, it is like seat of the pants game planning but without the necessary in game adjustments.
Hey Bergs, good to see you.
Chuck wrote what I have been feeling about Kap as far as forcing the issue of making him a pocket passer.
This staff seems to be all or nothing. A lot of people had been asking for a little tweaking of the play calling, installing a few more pass plays, as most felt the plays were very predictable.
A lot of people also understand Kap will need to continue learning his pocket passer presence and traditional reading of defenses .
My question is why did this brain trust go all in on pocket passing and forget about running the ball?
In the long run it will probably benefit Kap to be shackled like this but the team still needs to win games right?
They have taken a dynamic gunslinging QB who throws well on the run and made him a nervous wreck of a QB who because of the well known O line issues this year is jumping at shadows with no confidence he will have time for these god awful long developing plays to happen. It is well documented that Kap is a one read QB, that read is the one his coaches tell him to make meaning the crazy slow developing ones with WR that are slow to middling speed wise while being protected by a sieve right?
Suppose you are right NF and this is mostly about player execution. Isn’t it Romans job to put the players in a position to succeed? Why are we 3/4 through the season still seeing the same plays that haven’t worked all year?
Many make the point that it is really Harbaughs O. Maybe so, but Roman has the OC title and is therefore the person to point to.
One more point. Kap took part in a T.V. Show with other rookie QB’s taking tests designed to show speed of recognition and accuracy. He won, easily.
Kap has set franchise and league records. He has won more playoff games on the road than Young or Montana. He has played in the biggest games.
Where is that QB? Did he suddenly forget how to play? Lose all his skillset? Become horribly inaccurate overnight?
Just maybe his coaches, who have taken a confident QB and made him a shell of himself, have a little to do with it eh?
Lost my post?
Not sure why that went into the filter. It’s back
Thx Chuck, didn’t want to write all that again!