Yes, More About the Draft . . .

Tell ya one thing, QWilliams solidified his spot as a stud in the draft in the combine. Likely a top-3 stud. His combine was very successful (4.83 40 time at 303 lb) and it already added to his draft stock. I figured that since we re-upped Arik Armstead, we would simply go for Josh Allen and be done with it.

BUT (there’s always a big but) there are three teams right behind us that might want to trade up and get their quarterback. The Giants, who say they are fine with Eli Manning (?!?), the Redskins, who have to cover for the loss of young Sir Alex, and the Raiders, whose head coach is frustrated with Derek Carr.

The quarterbacks in question are the mercurial Kyler Murray, the consensus #1 qb in this draft ion Dwayne Haskins, and the most polished guy, Daniel Jones. Rumors around the combine had Jones being the fridst QB picked in this draft. Another scenario presented comes from Walter football, who has us trading down with the Giants and taking their 1st round pick, 6th overall. In their scenario, the Giants get Haskins, and we still get QWilliams, as the Raiders take Murray, the Jets take Josh Allen, and the Redskins take Jones.

I could live with that as we’d get some additional picks from the NYGs and still get Williams.

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53 Responses to Yes, More About the Draft . . .

  1. Dwayne Haskins says:

    I am simply unqualified for the high standards of quarterbacks that the 49ers require, as I have neither a BIG DICK nor a porn star girlfriend.

  2. unca_chuck says:

    Your shortcomings are well-known around here, skippy.

  3. Winder says:

    Quite a few good FA’s floating around out there, it looks like a whole bunch of teams are in the going younger/rebuild mode.

  4. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, I already mentioned Dante Fowler, but there are guys like Zadarius Smith and KJ Wright out there at OLB. Smith especially. He’s 26, and playing really well. Shit, we passed over fricking Terrell Suggs 5 years ago and he’s still productive. Not that i want him now, but it’s crazy he’s still going at 37.

    Landon Collins at safety works for me.

    Walter football has a good breakdown of the FAs out there.

  5. Skeebersss says:

    You can’t delete and censor the righteous right forever. Dems and libtards are utterly boring failures, just like this blog

    • unca_chuck says:

      Righteous? You are wasting oxygen.

    • Hold My Bong says:

      I have gained so much wisdom from my Fox News stories I always watch down here in the basement, you left coast losers. The yellow carpet down here is an added bonus. God Bless Mitch McConnell and America…now where is my Mom’s bible? Did Spitblood eat it again…?

  6. Berger says:

    Good news on Armstead. If you know what to look for on the D-line this was an obvious decision. He can’t be blocked by one player. He often pushes double teams backwards. The only thing he could improve on for the big payday is he needs to disengage better.

    I would love to see him over the nose on passing downs. Pushing the front of the pocket back into the QB gets a lot of sacks for the edge rushers. Remember Michael Carter, he and Vince Wilfork were the best I ever saw at pushing the front of the pocket into the QB. AA might not be one of those two but he still excels as well as any current player at pushing people straight back.

    • NJ49er says:

      How about DT Dexter Lawrence from Clemson Berger?
      A bonafide Fat Man in the Middle that turned in a 1.74 Split and 36 Reps at 342Lbs.
      Likely not on the radar for us, assuming K-Street comes off the redshirt rack and delivers.
      I’m all for those Big Nasties on the Nose and, agree 100% on Michael and Vince, while throwing in BIG Ted 😀

    • unca_chuck says:

      A push up the middle has been missing, oh, since the Dana Stubblefield days. I’m going back and forth on Williams or Allen.

      But I’m more and more thinking we are going to take Williams.

      • NJ49er says:

        Gonna be an interesting 10 mins on the clock for sure Chuck.
        With the amount of talented options out there, I think Lynch can afford to gamble if someone is willing to throw a sizable offer his way to buy the slot.
        Be great if Bluto Keim goes with Murray and leaves us with the option too.
        Ig the rumors are accurate involving NYG at 6 for our 2, there’s gonna be plenty of talent left to choose from beyond Bosa/Quinnen and Allen.

  7. NJ49er says:

    Just to compare Montez Sweat and Nick Bosa from a pure stats line –
    Bosa – 29 games – 17.5 Sacks / 1.60 Split / 33″ arms / 33.5″ Vert
    Sweat – 27 games – 23.5 Sacks / 1.55 Split / 35-3/4″ arms / 36″ Vert
    If Bosa were on the Board for us at 2, could you consider waiting for Sweat (or another) if it netted additional Picks?

    Even Josh Allen has short arms (33.5″) for an Edge guy. One thing about those elite pass rushers, they don’t often win against OTs when they lose the reach factor.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    By the numbers, Quinnen Williams killed the combine. A 4.83 40 time at 303 lb is fast for a guy that big.

    His 1.69 10-yard split is impressive as well.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    This draft for us depends on where the QBs go. Murray, Haskins, and Jones are all up in the top 10. Shit, even Drew Lock a mid-2nd round guy, is rising up the board based on the desperation of teams like Denver to find a viable starter. Denver, Washington and the Giants are near locks to take QBs. Possibly even the Raiders and of course, AZ as well is in the mix for a QB. With Kyler measuring over 5’10” the onus on him being too short (5’8″) is gone. So there very well could be 4 QBs taken in the top 10-12 picks.

    We could very well trade down and still get QWilliams.

  10. rtfirefly says:

    Yeah, I changed my mind about AA. He played on 57% of the D snaps, only slightly behind ST’s 60%. The Niners have enough problems without giving themselves another hole to fill.

  11. unca_chuck says:

    What are you thinking, Bergs? Bosa or Williams? It’s looking more and more like we have our pick between the two. I’m leaning toward Williams despite keeping AA.

    • Berger says:

      Bosa. I watched video on him, Allen and Sweat. It was no contest. Bosa is clearly the best. During the Clemson Bama Championship I paid a lot of attention to Williams. He wore down and became a non factor in crunch time. We have two players like Williams in AA and Street. We don’t have anybody Like Bosa. Plus Bosa plays the position of biggest need for us.

      • NJ49er says:

        I can’t buy the hype on Bosa Berger. As I’ve ranted, I’d rather try to sell the slot for additional Picks in a deep Class of talent. One guy doesn’t do it for me.
        Be great if Bluto Keim goes with Murray and leaves us in the drivers seat to sell out.
        Even better, if they take Bosa and, leave Murray as a bargaining chip for us too.

      • NJ49er says:

        Ferguson played in 50 games with 45 sacks, I’d make the argument that he can stay healthy and produce. Bosa managed only 29 games, simply don’t trust Bosa or the hype. The week in Mobile should have been plenty of time to determine whether Jaylon will make it to SF.
        Otherwise, Sweat/Burns, (others) further down the Board would make sense to me too.
        S-E-L-L… 😀

  12. NJ49er says:

    Berger I think my mind is made up on my preferred Fat Man in the Middle already.
    Clemson NT Dexter Lawrence – 6’4″/342 – 1.74 Split 36 Reps (131 Tkls/10 Sacks)
    Knock him down to 315/320 and he’d likely be a terror, ala Aaron Donald.
    He’s also an option to spending high on Quinnen for me.

    • Berger says:

      An elite pass rusher is not easy to come by. They usually get franchised so it rare to have on in FA. I would take the chance on Bosa, the video does not lie.

      I do agree that if Bosa goes #1 we should look at trading down.

      • Winder says:

        Looks like how we do in FA will dictate what we do in the draft. I don’t think you can go too wrong with either Bosa or Williams if we stay at 2. I also think we will add a draft pick or 2 when all is said and done.

  13. unca_chuck says:

    Signing AA precludes them from getting Williams in my book. Either that, or they get Williams and trade AA. Which seems like it could be a draft-day deal, but I don’t really think so. AZ is crowing too much about Murray, but I really don’t get their reasoning. If they trade out of the 1st spot, they won’t get what they need in Bosa. But maybe they feel they can do what we potentially could trade down with the Giants and still get Williams. Although I don’t see the Raiders letting Williams go by. Even if they want a QB.

    The thing is, Williams is better suited for AZs 3-4 than Bosa. And the same is true for Bosa. He would pop right in to our 4-3 easier than Williams. I’m sure either would be able to play should they be reversed, but we’ll see on draft day.

    I’d love to see the 49ers go after Fowler AND get Bosa. Our linebackers have been awful these past few years without Willis and Bowman. And NJ, I just don’t think they can afford to pass on Bosa.

    Going after Landon Collins hard would also be a good thing as well. He’s gonna be pricey, but we need a lot of help.

    Speaking of help, a couple local kids I like are CB Alijah Holder from Stanford, 6’2″ 190. His 40 time was unimpressive, but he’s got length and he covers well at the line. He could very well be a mid-round gem. And SJS TE Josh Oliver. Big target at 6’5″ 250.

    • Winder says:

      It wouldn’t surprise me if the Raiders go after Murray they have a shitload of ammo to get it done. At this point all one can hope for is that AZ does something really stupid. That would open some doors but I doubt they will do that.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Someone really needs to get a life.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    Just for fun, here’s the last week of deleted IDs:

    Comment blacklist changed from “ StankStanley47373@gmail.con” to “ StankStanley47373@gmail.con

  16. unca_chuck says:

    WInder the thing about AZ is they don;t stand to gain much by touting Murray as their pick. If they trade down and don’t take him, they’ll lose out on Williams. Or Bosa. Which means they don;t get anyone they should be targeting,

    • Winder says:

      Yeah, there is a good chance that they go ahead and pick Murray. But, probably not before they explore some possible trades. Something just don’t seem right about it, the draft is still way the fuck off and AZ is committing already. I just don’t know.

      • NJ49er says:

        Don’t OVER-think it guys. The lush Bluto Keim is still in the cockpit in AZ.
        They’ve got Chandler Jones on the roster already and, Rosen to sell, if the Murray crap is legit.
        Kingsbury and Keim? Beaker and Bunsen? Dumb and Dumber?
        Does it really matter at this point?
        Grab another shot Steve. Plenty of time to dance in the Draft hype spotlight.

        I’d STILL prefer to have buyers on the line, when our slot is on the clock.
        One guy doesn’t put us over the top.
        S-E-L-L 😀

      • NJ49er says:

        Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

  17. NJ49er says:

    Might just be a feeble attempt to get their phones ringing for Rosen too.
    Bluto Keim…Working the process…
    Interested GM, line 1…
    ‘Kingsbury loves Murray, can’t live without him. ‘
    ‘No we haven’t decided or committed yet.’
    Bluto –
    ‘So? what will you give us for Rosen?’
    GM –
    ‘We don’t want Rosen’
    Bluto –
    ‘Neither do we. Lose this number unless you want Rosen’
    GM line 2 –
    Bluto –
    ‘Why would you want our 1st Pick?’
    GM –
    ‘Because we want someone other than Rosen’
    Bluto –
    ‘So do we. Lose this number unless you want Rosen’
    …..This GM stuff is great when you hold the 1st Pick. Everyone is calling me. We should suck more often.
    Shot…beer…shot….beer…speedball…line….pass out.
    Receptionist –
    “Mr Keim is with an Agent and can’t be disturbed”

    • Winder says:

      Lol, sounds realistic.

      • NJ49er says:

        I can’t help but think Keim is having buyer’s remorse for Rosen, Winder.
        Now, he needs to find a way to unload Rosen, so he can give his obscure new HC a headline move for Murray, like Kroenke got with Goff.
        Keim is Bluto. 😀
        He’s playing Draft hype in reverse.
        “I need a buyer for last year’s model!
        What am I gonna do with 2 1st RD QBs?”

  18. unca_chuck says:

    Certainly the whole New regime, new QB scenario sounds about right. If they trade out of the 1 though, they get nothing. The 3 most coveted guys, to them anyway, are Bosa Williams and Murray. If they trade out of the 1 they likely don’t get any of them. Picks are picks, but a bird inthe hand, and all that. Which is why I don’t see us trading out. No we are one not player away, but if we draft Bosa, get Fowler, and get L Collins, among other draft picks and moves, we’d be a hell of a lot better than we are right now.

  19. unca_chuck says:

    With Landon Collins available, all this talk of Earl Thomas should cease. Weddel as well. Weddell is 34. Thomas is 30. Collins is 25. If we are giving out a big deal to a safety, go with youth.

    • NJ49er says:

      Earl makes sense at the right price Chuck.
      He becomes a teacher of the Saleh system, as Sherman is.
      Plug and play as it were.
      Collins is not a cover guy in that regard.
      Weddle has lost his wheels too.
      The Seattle system puts a lot of pressure on the FS to manage Center Field.
      See where it goes soon enough I guess.

  20. unca_chuck says:

    Thomas ain’t gonna be the right price though. At least I don;t think so.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    Our pass defense got better when Saleh simplified things and went to a lot more man coverage. Not a huge upgrade, but at least there weren’t guys catching passes without a defender within 25 yards of him. But really, we need a serious upgrade at SS and FS.

  22. unca_chuck says:

    And Sam and Will LBs.

    My big hope is Kentavius Street is a bona fide player on the edge. Thomas should move inside to make room for Street. Thomas and DFB together on the interior line could work very well with AA on the edge with Street.

    And Nick Bosa at OLB.

    • Winder says:

      I bet we try all different combo’s with our D-line. From what I have been reading though is that AA causes a whole lot of havoc when plays in the middle. I guess he really pushes the pocket in and that is what we need with a competent edge rusher. I have high hopes for Street also it ‘s just that we’ve has suck bad luck when we draft injured players.

  23. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Baalke’s ACL brigade netted 0 plays with the 5 guys he drafted iirc.

  24. Nick Bosa At OLB?? says:

    Hahahahahahahaha! OLB? For an injury prone DE? You’re getting bogged down in all of those email aliases you’ve created.

  25. unca_chuck says:

    New thread Skippy. How about you suck start a pistol?

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