So, once again we are back to evaluating talent, and looking to the future. I suppose this is a good thing, at least in the case of our recent draft. CJ and the BeatHards get a shot at becoming a viable backup, and guys like Dante Pettis, Fred Warner, and Mike McGlinchey work their way into solid vet status. Frankly, Pierre Garcon has done little and I’m wondering when he’ll yield to Pettis. Maybe we should just cut him loose or trade him for draft picks. Beyond that, we can wait for our injured pass rusher Kentavius Street to healthy up.
Then there’s the Beater. He took his lumps with little complaint last year as the team transitioned out of the wilderness years of the post-St. Jim moonscape. Sure, he’s deliberate and slow on his release, but he’s just getting acclimated. If he can process things a little bit quicker, he maybe able to do some damage. But I’m not holding my breath.
And then there’s Jerick McKinnon. We designed our entire offense around him this offseason, and he has been available for nothing yet. Like Malcolm Smith before him, he may be a guy that can’t seem to get onto the field. Smith, like the entire Niner defense last weekend, seemed to whiff on everything, and he had one tackle.
Going forward though, the onus is on the defense. Last week was a debacle of epic proportions. 5 TDs on 5 possessions will never put you in a position to win. 3 games into this season, and we have given up at least 6 first downs on 3rd and 10+ to screens and scrambles up the middle. KC ran 5 or 6 screens that all netted at least 12 yards over and over and over. Linebacker coverage the last 2 weeks was atrocious. The Det game was understandable as the always-unavailable Smith was out, and Foster was on the last game of his suspension, but Foster, Warner, and Smith were nowhere to be seen all game vs KC. Sure, they have weapons, but when a back has no one within 10 yards of him at the time of the catch, he’s going to get big yards.
Inexcusable.
So, we got San Dawg on the road. It’s early in the season, so they should suck. But, the perennially underachieving Bolts will likely light up our suddenly depleted defensive backfield. I guess Tarvarius Moore will get more playing time . . .
San Francisco 49ers Forever 
(back when they kicked ass . . . )
That’s a cool tune. I’ve been an unabashed fan of Journey forever; older material, newer material, I like it all and I don’t care who knows it. I’m way too old at this point to give a shit what people think about my musical tastes.
Extremely talented group of musicians, in all of their iterations.
I believe Gregg Rolie did most of the singing back in those days, not to mention his exceptional skill on the keys. The great Aynsley Dunbar on the skins, and the unmatched Neal Schon on guitar. He was in his early 20’s on this album.
I think Schon fell out of the womb with a Les Paul in his hands and the ability to shred on it. Prodigious talent and he’s still getting it done.
Kellen Clemens, Matt Moore, TJ Yates. Scraping the fucking bottom of the QB barrel bringing that trio in. I’ll take Mullens over any of those guys. CJ needs to be as good as he can possibly be.
When I heard Tom Savage I thought, wow. I’d rather have Kaepernick. At least the possibility exists where he may crank off a 15 yard scramble.
I think you’re right, because I’m confident that CJ will at least be serviceable. It’s the D that’s looking like an unmitigated disaster and I’m sure Rivers is licking his chops right now at the prospect. I don’t know what’s going on with Pierre. He’s made some nice plays, but he’s also vanished at times and he’s had some drops. Maybe he’s nearing the end of the road. Kittle, even with the drops, is on the verge of stardom. Don’t take away the TD and he ends up with a huge game. I love the toughness he runs with. He’s like a bull in a china shop.
I’m stoked to see how Breida does moving forward. Yeah, they’ll be keying on him more, but he’s looking more and more like a big time draft steal. When he gets to the second level it’s on. The Niner’s run blocking has been decent so far this year and they’ll probably lean on it even more now.
I forgot about Street. If he turns out to be the talent everyone says he is, he’ll be a big addition next year, along with JG and the Jet.
Reuben made some plays last week, but I’m willing to give him a one-game pass because it was his first game back.
Street is a big hope of mine as well. He was a stud at NC State.
Yeah, that early Journey lineup was incredible. May have told this story but I saw them at the Catalyst (1977? ’78?) like 3 weeks before they released Infinity. Steve Perry wasn’t there, but they played some of the infinity stuff with Rollie singing, but they mostly played the first 3 albums. Flat amazing show. Neal Shon is fucking incredible, Rollie, Dunbar, Valory on the bass. They didn’t have the rhythm guitarist whose name I can’t remember when I saw them.
That’s cool. One thing they always did great was play live.
Yeah Reuben missed some plays as well, but he’s rusty. I figured the early season was going to be rough,, but not this roigh.
I don’t believe this. I get home and Doctor Detroit is showing on Retroplex.I haven’t seen this movie in the listings for years, or even thought about it, but, two weeks after showing up in one of these threads, there it is. Unbelievable. lol
No way! That movie;s pretty funny but I haven’t seen it since it came out. In the 80s?
I saw Journey before their 1st album was even released at the San Mateo Fairgrounds,in a packed auditorium, their 1st album released shortly after that epic show.
They were badass, Neal Schon who was a local dude from Aragon High School was just unbelievable on guitar 🎸 Gregg Rollie on keyboards 🎹 and vocals,Anynsley Dunbar on drums a true magician.
My favorite song alltime from their early days and they played that night is “Of a Lifetime “ Neal Schon’s guitar solo is fantastic stuff!!
Shit I forgot about Ross Valory on bass, just alittle cloudy on my thoughts, probably cause their was so much marijuana smoke 💨 in this small venue to choke a chicken..
Too cool, AK. Yeah the original lineup was awesome. Saw Tower of Power there years and years ago. Funny thing, my sister, who went to Aragon, saw Santana play at San Carlos high about a month before Woodstock. Rollie was in the band at that point. Just a struggling band playing the high school scene.
Pure awesomeness.
Early Journey always brings out good memories. Both those songs are fantastic.
At this point – I don’t much care if we tank the season.
Get game action evals done on EVERYONE, in every conceivable package.
We’re playing for a Draft slot now.
AK I remember seeing Journey on Midnight Special in 1975 I think, and seeing Neal Shon with his best Jimi Hendrix fro just wailing, I had to call my friend and said “Check this shit out!” We were fans from then on. Until, well . . .
This era Journey if you have 44 minutes to kill. Too funny, in the comment someone says they saw Journey at the San Mateo fairgrounds.
NJ, I’m with you. I’d start cutting out the older guys like Garcon, and wait to see if Sherman is even viable after this setback. I’d say we need to go young, but we already are. We need depth on the O line and more playmakers. And of course secondary help.
And we may need a new DC. Last week was ugly to the extreme.
We need a strong side LB in the worst way.
Yeah, Smith is another one who should be jettisoned. Love Warner and Foster, but not Smith. The fact that they were held in check, along with the entire D line, is what worries me the most. Mitchell is doing nothing.
Anyone read this?
https://ninernoise.com/2018/09/26/jimmy-garoppolo-positives-negatives-49ers-quarterbacks-injury/
My question is do the Niners have an offensive line that will be able to protect JG when he plays next year. I don’t see him doing a lot of running around next year
Nothing much to that article that isn’t painfully obvious. The biggest issue with Jimmy IS playing time. Positives? Not really. A guy like Brady could burn a year (like he did in his prime) and come back with a pretty good sense that he will pick up where he left off. Jimmy needs field time and nothing else.
|As far as the line goes, they upgraded C and RT. Yeah, they need to do more. And I’m sure they will. But we are in a fairly similar situation as were were before the injury. Depth, pass protection, playmakers, pass rush, DBs.
The run game is doing surprisingly well. If they can keep that going, and McKinnon ever gets on the field, we may be on to something,
Yeah, Chuck, ’83 on Doctor Detroit. Pure cheese, but if you’re an Aykroyd fan, you’ll like it, not to mention a nice James Brown cameo. Literally hadn’t seen that one in 20-25 years.
Person seems to be pretty solid at RG, when he can stay healthy, but I don’t know how viable he is long term because he’s been around a while already.. Garnett doesn’t impress even when he’s been in there, which hasn’t been often. Tomlinson is hit or miss too. So, more OL talent for sure, especially with the franchise QB coming off of ACL surgery. Regardless of the reasons, he was taking way too many hits before his injury. I think we can all agree that that was a combination of receivers not getting open soon enough, erratic pass blocking and JG holding onto the ball too long.
Just seeing across-the board improvement/development over the rest of the season would be encouraging and certainly give everyone a sense of where the real holes are. And for fuck’s sake, the injuries have to slow down. It’s getting ridiculous.
Yeah, good points about the consistently inconsistent line. I’m sure there’s an article out there correlating between the changes in preseason hitting and the increase in injuries. Now you have guys blowing out knees trying to avoid unsportsmanlike penalties on sacks.
Yeah, Dr. Detroit is pretty bad but it was good. Looks like a lot of drugs were consumed in the making of that one. In the same vein as Trading Places. Ackroyd and Eddie Murphy were very good in that.
I think the offense can be improved, but I’m way more concerned with the defense. Maybe last week was an aberration. Then again, if we don’t get pressure on Rivers, we’ll get lit up again.
Then there’s this broad, who thinks kicking a man when he’s down is a good thing:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/24/jimmy-garoppolo-trolled-by-model-alexandra-king-after-his-season-ending-injury/
Jimmy dodged a bullet by dumping that one.
Yikes. What a bitch.
Nick Mullens is up. Might as well be him than all the retreads they glanced over.
Lol, at least he knows what’s going on
Upside in a major down timeline for us……CJ will get more game reps.
Something Jimmy can’t seem to accomplish.
Finally gets out from behind Brady and gets himself shelved for the season.
And so it goes in the land of 9ers huh?
I’ll be a loyal Fan but, just don’t eff up the Draft slot now. 😀
NJ- there is no way we can tank 13 games. It would set us farther back than we already are. This is actually ‘rubber hit’s the road’ time for probably half the players on the team. The rest of the year is gonna be kind of interesting.
I’m thinking 3, maybe 4 more winnable games Winder.
And, CJ will have more starts than Jimmy if he stays healthy.
I’m somewhat encouraged with that scenario.
CJ getting reps behind an improved OL is good thing.
I’m fine with another too 10 Pick in light of circumstances we find ourselves in now.
Plus…Kittle and CJ are another year along in their development as well.
Winder I’m not suggesting we lose out.
Simply, I don’t see the 9 wins I originally did.
Maybe another 3-4 seems feasible?
CJ will surpass Jimmy in games played, if he stays healthy, which is a good thing.
Game reps behind an improved OL is also encouraging.
Both CJ and Kittle are another year wiser too.
I’ll enjoy the development phase while hoping we stay in the top 10 in April:-D
The franchise seems to be snakebit ever since the move to S.C. Not much has gone right. But it’s time to move on, because it is what it is. JG is down and CJ is the man. This is his second big-time opportunity to be an NFL starter. Let’s see what he does with it and how much he’s learned and improved. I think he’ll be okay. Like Chuck and some of you other guys, I’m more worried about our Swiss cheese defense than anything else.
Go 49ers!
Fred Warner had a good game at LB. He did however miss one in particular.
They brought in available QB’s not to sign but to evaluate in case we get another injury at QB they know who to go after.
BeatHard had another year of learning KS system and almost 8 games and all the off season to learn behind JG who learned behind Brady.
Now I’m not saying I prefer BeatHard over JG, but I would expect to see quite some improvement over the tough “deer in the headlights” kid of last year.
The O line is above average stats wise. Run blocking is good.
The run game is clicking and Brieda leads to league in yards (tied), on 1 third less carries than Elliot.
Saleh does not have much to work with, but I am beginning to doubt his scheme, especially since he hasn’t got the horses to run it fully. Where is the adaption and creativity needed given the circumstances? The basics have been horrible too, tackling is worst in the league. Not good.
The O so far this year has been decent overall.
The D, which I expected would be at least competitive, has underperformed and last week flat out stunk.
Buckner is .5 of a sack behind every big name DL including Mack.
Talk of tanking is just ridiculous. You expect men of pride to throw in the towel for 13 games because it got tougher? Coaches who’s reputations hand on performance to tamp down scheme for a better draft pick? Those are the kind of players you want on a team? The fair-weather kind?
Give CJ a chance to play before guessing how many wins they will have, how can anyone know without seeing what improvement he may have made?
Sheesh.
12th- Pretty sure no one wants to tank anything here. It will be nice to get 100% out of all the players from here on out.. The development of CJ will be a huge factor and I think the team will rally around him.
One thing CJ has that JG doesn’t, is pretty good mobility. That should work to his advantage, because overall the OL is better so far this year.
Chuck, a little help with the spam box plz.
Not sure why those got caught in the net but WordPress is pretty random sometimes.
12th, the only thing I disagree with in your post is that Selah has little to work with. I thought the plan with the defense last offseason was actually pretty solid. The last game it seemed the LBs were out of position on every screen pass. It has been a problem all season really.
Granted the secondary is banged up, and the players have to make plays, but we look so lost and out-coached all of last game and half of the Det game.
Fair enough but this is my reasoning:
His best starting LB Foster didn’t play the first 2 games and played poorly his 3rd, maybe partly rust? His big FA signing LB Smith finally played a game and was horrible, maybe partly Rust? He had Lee and Warner first 2 games. Warner has been a revelation and played very well all 3 games so far, a rookie mistake here or there but nothing much. He may be the best LB already.
He had 3rd string DB’s last game and second string the game before. Witherspoon has played poorly and was benched against Detroitand they lost Sherman 3rd qtr in KC I believe.
He has no pass rush talent to speak of.
That’s what I’m saying about the talent level on the field.
Where I have issue with Saleh is that knowing that is what you have to work with, where is the scheme adjustment to compensate for the lack of talent? He is still using the 3 deep concept without the DB’s to run it. Why not mix in more man/zone concepts and change it up more?
Saleh has vastly improved the run D despite them getting run over in KC late in the 4th.
Its hard to pin it all on Saleh, but the piss poor tackling and awful angles wreak of poor coaching whether that’s Saleh directly or his position guys.
Yeah, that is my point. In the Det game we ran the same stunt over and over, AA coming around DFB to NO effect. 53 pass attempts and 2 sacks is horrible. It wasn’t much better in the KC game.
No adjusting, no changes. ast game we were at close to full strength with the LBs but couldn’t cover a simple screen play. So KC ran that play 5-6 times to great effect. I think we stopped one midway through the 3rd quarter. I[m giving Foster a pas, but still, you can’t miss the same play over and over.
Yup.
Hey Chuck thanks for finding that obscure Journey video from the San Mateo auditorium!
Yeah even on the video you can tell how much Mota smoke 💨 was in the air including mine!!
Hey you mentioned my high school San Carlos High, a few months after the Journey show, Pablo Cruise played up at my School, another great show with a band just starting out in 74..
Ocean Breeze,A place in the Sun, they rocked it!!
That was Winterland, but close enough!! Saw a ton of shows there.
You went to San Carlos high? Had a few friends there that graduated in 1979. Very close to the end of that school. We lived on Howard, and then Walnut in the 90s. Love that area.
Yeah I still live in San Carlos on Roland off of Eaton above Alameda..
Yeah San Carlos High was a great school,major parties, nude relays ditching the cops to to find a place to run 4 man relays in just your robes,but then tossing your rub and swinging your junk for about 25 yard each, it was hilarious 😆 Should of never torn it down!
It’s grade school now. At least parts of it. I used to go 4 wheeling in my old Land Cruiser on Sugarloaf. It was perfect because if the San Carlos/Belmont cops saw us, we’d split on the San Mateo side. If it was San Mateo cops. we could leave through Redwood City or Belmont.
Tank! Tank! Tank! Get Nick Bosa in here and a SAM who can blitz and cover, then let’s re-evaluate the D.
Lol
I don’t think they WANT to tank, but it just may work out that way. Our defense is not where I thought it would be.
Good game tonight anyway. This may be a preview of the NFC Championship game.
Yeah, looks like a good one.The Vikes have some serious bouncing back to do, so I expect a good battle.
I think NJ made one joke regarding tanking and that’s it from anyone. Chill out. And Saleh has plenty to work with, certainly enough to avoid getting down 35-7 in a big game. Yeah, they need depth and more talent, but I see a ton mental errors and poor game planning. Missed tackles, guys way out of position, not accounting for running backs on swing passes, etc, etc.
That’s on him. He’s just a lousy DC who hasn’t shown much in a year and a half. His D needs to start showing some serious improvement, and fast. If I’m Lynch, I’m already putting together a shopping list of guys to replace him.
Irony: Being told I over react by you, lol.
Is this Bosa supposed to be as good as his brother?
Yes, projected. There’s another guy whose name I forget who some think is better than Baby Bosa.
Is it Ed Oliver? This is a great draft coming up for pass rushers.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775136-nfl-could-see-an-epic-class-of-pass-rushers-in-2019-draft
Good. Let’s hope we don’t fuck it up and actually end up with one of them.
Jesus. The Rams don’t look too good. They look fucking scary.
All about the pass rush.
That was a retarded sequence at the end of the half. WTF was Zimmer doing? Burn the damn timeout, take a couple of shots in the end zone, then kick the FG. WTF.
Wow. The Vikes are retarded. They just wasted 20 seconds to spike the ball on the 17 yard line. They could have called a time out and run 3 plays. Doh!
Vikes were my fantasy defense. Glad I dumped them.
Hah!
LOL. Great minds and all that…
Yeh, the Rams look unstoppable right now. A guy I work with was ripping on Goff when he was drafted. He looks every bit the #1 guy right now. It’s not like he couldn’t throw the ball at Cal. They had a prolific offense there.
Here’s hoping Kendrick Bourne ends up being as good as his college teammate.
You can say what you want about LA, that is one nice setting for an early fall football game, especially at night. Beautiful evening and perfect football weather.
Entertaining game. The fucking Rams looking pretty tough.
Was that a pass rush I saw there when the Rams really needed it? Someone help me here. I forgot what one looked like.
Me too, cause the 49ers don’t have one for sure..
Yeah once the Rams dumped Jeff Fisher and his stupid over the hill approach and hired Sean McVay both Gurley&Goff exploded!!
Yup. I was very bummed when they got rid of Fisher. Doubly so when they got McVay.
26-33 for Goff 455 yards 5TD’s unreal!!
40 pt night in Fantasy Football 🏈 as well, one hella of a night!
That was one of the more entertaining game in recent memory, with fewer than normal penalties, although there was still no shortage of field laundry. It goes to show that the league can still field an entertaining product when the officials get the hell out of the way.
Yeah, it was kinda cool but all it did for me was emphasize the need for a pass rush. Goff didn’t miss shit when given the time. Just like Mahomes,
He was just as accurate at Cal and you can tell he’s feeling real comfortable with the weapons he has. I see them going to the superbowl.
He made some amazingly accurate throws last night, a number of them on deep balls. Just flat out dimes. Don’t get consistent pressure and prepare to be carved up.
I hate the idea that we may be the stinking Ram’s red headed stepchild for the next few years. I didn’t like that McVay went to LA but he and KS stepped into total different situations. We will be back but it looks like it’s gonna take a little longer.
Yeah, McVay inherited a stacked roster and they’ve bolstered it a lot to it since then. Still, the guy is a smart coach and the team executes really well, something the Niners have not figured out yet, at least not consistently, which is what it’s all about.
The funny thing is, neither LA or MN played shit for defense on Thursday, or all year, and they’re supposed to be two of the best. If LA gets that part sorted out, they may be unstoppable.
Crowning teams in September rarely works out.
The Rams have a 1 1\2 game lead over – wait for it – second place in the NFC.
Chargers 30 Niners…
Ah, what’s the point. Maybe next year.
Lets see how this team steps up. If they don’t we will have a lot of new players next year.
No game day thread today Chuck?
I’m not as down on the Niners chances today as most seem to be. Niners are 10 1/2 point dogs today. San Diego has a worse D than the Niners.
I think they have a real shot at a competitive game IF Brieda and Morris play decently despite their injuries. CJ should play game manager and they should lean on their run game. Rivers can’t score from the bench.
This is a litmus test game for Saleh in my mind. His players need to do the basics well and take correct angles to tackle. He is not playing the game, but coaching and scheme adjustment are in his wheelhouse, another stinker puts him squarely on the hot seat.
Niners 24 Chargers 21
Hey, it’s there. Gimme time . . .
New thread is up!