Goin’ to Kansas City. Kansas City, here I come . . .
Much to the relief of just about 7,999,999 49er fans (there’s got to be someone out there that wants him to stay. Right Dennis?), the story being reported by just about everyone is that a deal has been struck by the 49ers and the KC Chiefs for the services of erstwhile 49er quarterback Alex Smith for the 2013 season and beyond. The niners will get a 2nd round pick (34th overall) and a 2nd round pick in 2014 if playing time requirements are met. I said way back in December that the 49ers could possibly get a 2nd and 4th for him if his value was seen as a need for any number of QB-needy teams (Cleve, KC, NYJ, or SD I mentioned back then), before he would be released by the team around 3/14. I guess I underestimated what they’d get. Ha! You all laughed at me when I said this! Who’s laughing now? Uh, anyway. Nothing but good news for the Niners all around.
Lots of people said that he’d simply be released, and my 1st reaction was that as well. But I quickly realized (in Dec) that there were no FAs worth more than a bag of balls. Tavaris Jackson? Matt Moore? Jason Campbell? Purple Drank? Passerooni. Also, there were no QBs coming out that would resemble anything like the last 2 QB-heavy drafts. Geno Smith? Matt (who?) Glennon? Matt (hot-tub) Barkley? None of these guys may even get drafted in the 1st round, and they are the cream of the shitty QB crop this year. Doesn’t mean they won’t make it in the NFL, just that they won’t walk in and start winning like A. Luck, RG III, and even Christian Ponder. No go there.
Therefore, the trade value for Alex. They get a 2 and anything, it’ll be a great deal. Looks like it’ll be a 2 and a 2. Getting anything for Smith would be a big feather in the cap of the Niners front office, seeing as he was going to be released anyway. The vortex of weirdness that seemed to keep the Niners and Alex tied together seems to have created the perfect storm to get max value on his departure.
Huzzah!
Forty Niners Forever 
” Granted, he didn’t get a shitload of opportunities, but yeah, we’ll see. I’m not too down on the guy.”
He didn’t CREATE a shitload of opportunities. All indications are this guy didn’t either put in the work or have the mental noodles to grasp enough to find his way ahead of freaking Ted Ginn. I wish it were otherwise, and it is still only one bust year, but my gut tells me Jenkins was a wasted 1st round pick. We’ll see indeed. I wonder if he can double his production for 2013. Wait, that’s mathematically impossible.
It’s not that he had poor stats. He had no stats.
“He had no stats.”
So I’m tied with a professional football player in at least one category…
You left out ‘Yet’ . . . AJ hit the doghouse hard. He came in out of shape, and Harbaugh gave him no quarter. I don’t profess to know what went on behind the scenes, but I was surprised he didn’t get more playing time once everyone else got hurt. We ended up in kind of the same situation this year as last. Down to nothing the the WR dep’t. in the playoffs. Crabs was good, but Moss vanished in the SB, and Ginn did little. Manningham’s injury was a killer. KW’s hurt as well.
This gives creedence to the idea that they would take Ertz if available with the 34th (or even 31st) pick. I’d pull the trigger.
Harbaugh loves him some playmaking TEs so he’d be a great fit, and a great RZ target. He’s a good enough blocker besides.
Doubt they take Ertz Chuck.He graded out bad at the.combine,they say his arm’s are to short for his size as well,He is not rated as high in ability as.his former.teammate Coby Fleener say most scouts.
Fucking A….A two this year,and a two next with Alex playing time im delierious…
Five.picks in the first ninety-three players!!!!! Fuck Yeah!!!!
Funny thing is, the last KC QB to win a playoff game? None other than Joe montana.
Now if Smith beats Manning for the AFC West title, I will laugh all the way to Dennis’ funeral.
Ha!
Save me a seat, I’ll be there
I’m stoked at what the Niners are getting in return.. Sounds like we got a lot more that the talking heads on ESPN were saying.. Best of luck to Alex Smith.. Beat then Raiders!
For all the BS around Alex, KC was trading for a starting NFL QB. That means they have to put out something.
Yep.. Some analyst said last week that he’d be surprised if the Niners got a third for Smith.. Crow tastes nasty.
Just a thought to keep in mind: the 31st and 34th picks in trade would move you up to around 13. Throw in one of our thirds and you could crack the top ten. Not saying it’ll happen, but if the team identifies a real difference maker and wants to make a move, we have the ammo to do it.
Helluva job by Baalke to get maximum value for Smith. He’ll give KC more credibility at QB than they’ve had in a while, too.
Next year, we will again have a second pick near the first round (probably forty-0something, if Alex helps stop KC’s bleeding). So we’ll again have some options.
Chuck came closest to nailing it: 2 picks fer Smythe, maybe a second and a third next yeah? Something like that. Others were saying maybe we would get a waterboy and a cheerleader or two for Alex, the young Sir Alex. Uh, wrong.
This leaves us with a problem: what the fuck will we obsess on for the next 2-3 months?
Hey its a Phil sighting, welcome back!
Yeah it’s me. Good to be here. Maybe the dust is settling down?
Phil I was speculating a swap of 3s and a 2 next year from KC.
If this report is accurate, 2 2s is a killer deal by Baalke.
I had hoped all along that we would get a Schaub deal for ourselves and apparently we did.
Excellent return for Alex.
Andy Reid knows the value of a good QB right?
If this turns out to be accurate, it makes sense it’s a done deal with 2 weeks to go because they got their asking price already and it was steep. Best of luck to Smith, hope we see him in the SB next year….Against the Niners!
Arizona would be aware of the terms of the deal so one can only hope they are going to make a run at Smith, it means making an even better deal than KC. Bring it on baby.
If the 49ers have already agreed and the timeline / official deadline is just a formality, they’d kill their reputation taking a higher bid.
The first round picks should be no-brainer starters. Trading a second and a future conditional and taking on a fairly high salary is a good deal for a team transitioning to a new regime and its immediate QB troubles.
My darker side sorta woulda liked to face Alex twice a year though.
Now we can focus on getting some of our FAs re-signed and maybe a couple of theirs, too.
“My darker side sorta woulda liked to face Alex twice a year though.”
True win or lose (I say we’d win more) that woulda helped nurse along our obsessions fer a few more years. But we’ll have to find new ones I guess.
Jason Cole says Niners are bidding on Revis.
Be careful what you wish for, and all that, NoFear. Reid’s a wise guy. That’s why he went to the AFC West. He also had a front-and-center view of Alex coming back to beat him last year. He wants a smart QB as opposed to whatever Vick was doing.
For those of you who enjoy reading this stuff, this article insinuates the Niners should give up most of their draft picks to get whatever player they are in need of
http://tinyurl.com/cyrr55e
That didn’t work out very well for Ditka, did it?
I’d shy away from Revis. He’s a one-year rental and he’s coming off an injury. Too many other options out there than risking picks on Revis. Sam Shields and Keenan Lewis are very good CBs that would be loads cheaper.
Same with the FS dilemma. They could get LaRon Landry or Glover Quinn and not skip a beat.
You only deal for Revis if you have an agreement for a long term contract.
Cole’s article stated that Revis would likely be a rental. He’s going to want 5/$75 mill going forward if he has a good year. Too much like the Deion Sanders acquisition in 1994?
Yeah, I’m not confident enough about 2013 to spend a first round pick on a one year rental. My distaste for Deion probably only reinforces that. If we could keep him for three years minimum, that would be different.
Shit, this is basically a late first round pick. And maybe a 2 next year? I was the biggest proponent of cutting Smith loose and just moving on but now that I see what we got I’m all over this deal. Especially because it’s an outstanding place for Smith to land. KC has a great running game and a decent defense. Throw A-Reid in the mix, a QB guru who clearly WANTS Smith and I think this can safely be looked at as a win for us and Smith.
I think they announced it now as a contingency of the deal. The Chiefs probably didn’t want to worry about the Niners shopping their offer so they wrote up and deal that was contingent on it happening now (even if they can’t officially do it till March 12th). That’s another sign that this was a fantastic deal– only the best deals can dictate contingencies like this……..
“Our word is our bond” – Dumb and Dumber.
Yeah I agree, Flavor, I think both teams can be happy here. Depending of course on future events. But it seems like a really good trade.
This does work out well for both teams. I read some KC blogs and the chatter is everywhere from ‘yes, we desperately need someone who can come in to lead the team’ to ‘Shit! Not another washed up SF QB! We gave away too much! Shoulda kept Cassel and the picks!”
I get their anger. It is similar to what used to be said about the SF Giants until about 5 years ago in that there were no home grown stars. KC hasn’t drafted a starting QB that has won anything since Todd Blackledge.
The last QB to win a playoff game for KC? Joe Montana in 1993 . . .
According to the KC Star poll, out of ~4000 votes, 3200 graded it as a C or better, with A getting 850 and B getting 1600.
Scott Tolzien just got happy. That kid is now the backup to Colin Kaepernick. Two young guns, see how dey runs. Tolzien has wanted it more than anyone. He was undrafted. The Chargers picked him up and then he beat us in a pre-season game. Norv went on to say, “We have to release someone who’s going to have a very good pro career.” Then Tolzien beat out JJ. Tolzien was mostly inactive, and in street clothes, Tolzien would be seen regularly on the sidelines directly behind Harbaugh paying close attention. People have said Harbaugh will bring in a veteran behind Kaep and Tolzien, but why? It was said about Kaep that he wasn’t ready. Tolzien will be ready. And it’s not like the 49ers can’t rely more on the run with Tolzien – if necessary. I hope the 49ers don’t go the veteran qb backup route. I hope the 49ers draft QB Matt Scott from Arizona in the later rounds because the 49ers can develop and trade qbs. Get some more guys without baggage in the trade pipeline. We just got a second and potentially another second for a guy who two years ago was worthless.
For years I was writing the 49ers suck at the game outside the lines. That day is officially done. The 49ers are awesome outside the lines. I never thought for a second they’d get compensation for Smith. I thought they’d have to let him walk, possibly paying him another million only to extend the drama. I love how the 49ers are now winning the game outside the lines.
We now have cap space and a lot of draft picks. I honestly hope the 49ers don’t go with a high proflle player like Revis. I’ve speculated the 49ers would trade Smith for Revis because the weak spot in the 49er D is corner, but now that we’ve been compensated with picks. I hope we use those picks wisely. Draft picks are cheaper. If you go cheap, then you can focus on resigning your own. Guys like Dashon need to be resigned. He’s an immediate need, but if you go further down the line, you could rework other guys whose contracts aren’t immediately pressing.
It sounds conservative, but I’d go after a veteran D lineman like Cullen Jenkins or Freeney to help solidify the D line. Cheap, one year deals. Then I’d resign Goldson. Then I’d use later picks to move up. Picks 5-7 should be traded to help the 49ers target good players in the earlier rounds.
I really hope the 49ers land either cb Xavier Rhodes (who btw borrowed Oprah Winfey’s ass and apparently didn’t give it back) and / or Fresno State safety Phillip Thomas. Give me Cullen Jenkins or Dwight Freeney along the D line, and Rhodes or Thomas in secondary and we’re in business. I also wouldn’t mind seeing the 49ers turn their back on Walker and sign Jared Cook.
Cook will likely get F-Tagged in TN, we’ll see.
Add Richard Seymour to the list of possible Cap friendly deals too.
I’m with you on Revis, too expensive now with the boatload of DBs coming out and, a Rookie Cap to allow lots of room to grade them, on the cheap.
Extra Pick at 34 puts us in the drivers seat to move up.
XRhodes and Kenny Vacarro would be excellent targets now.
Add a Stud DE/DT to that list too.
Ziggy or Dion perhaps?
Sheldon Richardson?
If Star checks out he could go Top 10 still but, he’s worth the Pick if healthy too.
Spitblood
Last week you were pushing for Alex Smith and Gore for Revis.
Weren’t you saying to mark your words but Alex Smith would be released and the Forty Niners would get absolutely nothing in return?
You also said the Forty Niners should dump Justin Smith while he still has value.
Duh? Let’s trade one of the pillars of our defense for a bag of beans.
Forgive me for speaking the truth but are you for real? If this was baseball you would be batting .119
Does it ever occur to you that the majority of your opinions are total BS because you try to be a contrarian?
Down with BS!
What am I missing? 32 teams in the NFL. Chiefs draft first. Should we be getting the 33rd overall?
SInce KC and Jax were both 2-14, they alternate by rounds.
Aww….. I see said the blind man.
I hope Revis is a no-go. The rest is all gravy. Goldson is good as gone. The Niners won’t franchise him, because he’s going to want big money, and he ain’t getting it from us. He may sign yet another low-ball deal from the Niners, but they don’t need to franchise him, and they don’t need to overpay. If not, they’ll get someone better and cheaper. Either FA or draft. Grant gets a deal. Ice? No. We went over this already, Spitty. Freeney’s close to done. SItuational pass rusher? Maybe. Again though you have to find out what he thinks he’s worth. There certainly are cheaper options in the draft. Provided they find them.
I could see Goldson being more realistic this year. First a low ball offer, then a one year deal, then the franchise….. I could see him wanting to compete with the 49ers for three or four years – maybe putting together an incentive laden deal. I understand you saying he’s gone because teams can now market a 49er free agent to their own base. He very well may get more money else where. I hope he stays.
This DB Class is ridiculously deep.
Goldson can walk now. Seriously.
I won’t miss him simply because I think we get his replacement very easily in FA and the Draft.
I just replied to you above regarding Revis too.
We can call the shots now with all these quality Picks.
Kudos to Baalke, this is how dynasties are built.
Hit the Draft at the right time and get the pieces most needed when the shopping is good.
I believe he knew what was coming this year regarding the WR position and, might have grabbed AJ to give him a leg up.
Ammunition to move up is great, standing pat gives us room to slide back too.
Imagine a scenario with Te’o and Geno Smith on the Board at 31.
Think someone might want to snag either guy before Baltimore or Jax pick and offer to move up?
Whitners’ and Rogers’ replacements are coming from this Class too.
We are getting younger and faster in all the positions of need too.
I’m setting my sites on the CB/S/DE positions if we make an attempt to move up in Rd 1.
Spit, the Niners stating they won’t franchise Goldson is a fairly big deal. They aren’t posturing here. Their stance is was and will be, you ain’t worth what you think you are. Good luck out there. The order of events for Goldson is: FA; pray for outside offers; if so, sign; if not, sign one-year deal with the Niners well below FT number.
And look at all the non-talk around him. RJF is getting ‘interest’ from other teams. Goldson? Nope. Not a whisper.
shhhhh……quiet!
Might be a little early yet to throw out too many “feelers” unless you’re one of the few owners whose teams carry on with impunity under Goodell’s selective enforcement policies on tampering.
I think interest in Goldson is somewhat limited by his exposure during Justin’s injury and his own big mouth, if not simply system. Without Justin’s injury he’s probably got a ring on his resume and enough fewer burn plays on his film record to get paid nearly what he wants, though probably not here.
I remember though McCloughan’s insistence on not paying for guards was killing us. I hope we don’t end up trying Culliver out as free safety next year.
I agree with NJ that there’s a lot of DBs out there this year in the draft. The 49ers are just flat out getting lucky lately with how things are working out in their favor come draft time. Soft market for qbs so Smith’s value rises. Niners need DBs and Walla… DBs o’ plenty. Niners need D linemen, this is the draft for it. In my view, the 49ers have four solid draft picks – a first, two seconds and a third. I’d take all my 4-7 picks, bundle ’em up and move up into a higher pick – creating a fifth top 100 pick . Then I’d draft a safety, corner and two NT/DT. I’d use the Smith money to front load contracts much like we did with WIlis. I’d avoid Revis unless the Jets were willing to lend us his services for something less than a 4th round pick, which is doubtful. I might pickup a cheap DT like Cullen Jenkins. I’d also be working hard to resign Goldson. I might keep one late round pick for my boy, Matt Scott.
Probably need to save a second later one for a kicker, too. All the team’s doctors and all the team’s psychologists probably ain’t putting Akers back together again.
That sucks too because Akers lost everything in a Fonzi scheme. Not ponzi, Fonzi.
Here’s the new, revised plain –
Free agency – Cullen Jenkins, retread qb who won’t make the team but needs to compete, maybe a TE like my boy, Jared Cook.
Draft – Condense 15 picks down to 7. Then go best player available with needs at CB, Safety, DT/NT (twice), kicker, and 3rd string qb.
Resign Goldson. Let Walker walk. No Cook, develop Tom Celek and his dolphin shorts.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/02/27/smith-leaves-49ers-on-top-in-all-respects/
Excellent article written by Killion. She should have ended it, though, with “Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.”
Spitblood
Jared Cook has caught 131 balls in 4 seasonss and scored 8 TDs total period. He is looking for top 5 tight end money and for whatever reason you want to grant his wish. Where do you come up with this
BS?
You are Al Davis reincarnated with your wacko personnel moves.
Unca posing as Touchdown Tommy – When you look at the rest of the league, you don’t know bubkiss. All you can do is look at stats. You can’t evaluate talent. The only guy I’ve ever seen you say you liked and hitch a wagon to was Prince Amukamura. Nice work. That guy is lost in translation. Other than Prince, you always ride the fence or tear the other guy down.
Do you like Jared Cook’s looks? Does he make you tingle and take your breath away?
Look Woody there has to be a reason to pay this guy top dollar. Let me know when you figure it out.
He just makes me wet.
Here’s a few more value guys,possible gems in the draft..
Da’Rick Rogers WR Tennesse Tech good size,good speed
Knile Davis RB Arkansas,6’2 217 lbs impressed at the Combine,dude is a beast and fast.
Cory Lemonier,DE Auburn,like him a lot
.Brandon Williams DT,Missouri Southern
Trevado Williams OLB Connecticut
Baccarri Rambo FS Georgia,dude is a savage hitter,with a CoolName,Company leader calling Rambo,talk to me Johnny,they drew first blood!!!
Vance McDonald TE Rice
Don Jones SS Arkansas St
Duke Williams SS Nevada
Khaled Holmes C USC
Brian Winters OG Kent St..no relation to Johnny or Edgar
Ricky Wagner OT Wisconsin
I’ll tell you all one thing the 49ers could very easily do in the draft and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. They could use their first overall on a wide receiver. I know we need defense, but Kaep with another number one wide receiver along with Crabtree and Jenkins….. that’s three first round wide receivers You can makeup for a lot of team deficiencies with a potent passing game. Look at the Packers and Patriots. Not saying it would be the right move, but it wouldn’t surprise me, particularly if a great wide receiver fell in our lap!