Goin’ to Kansas City. Kansas City, here I come . . .
Much to the relief of just about 7,999,999 49er fans (there’s got to be someone out there that wants him to stay. Right Dennis?), the story being reported by just about everyone is that a deal has been struck by the 49ers and the KC Chiefs for the services of erstwhile 49er quarterback Alex Smith for the 2013 season and beyond. The niners will get a 2nd round pick (34th overall) and a 2nd round pick in 2014 if playing time requirements are met. I said way back in December that the 49ers could possibly get a 2nd and 4th for him if his value was seen as a need for any number of QB-needy teams (Cleve, KC, NYJ, or SD I mentioned back then), before he would be released by the team around 3/14. I guess I underestimated what they’d get. Ha! You all laughed at me when I said this! Who’s laughing now? Uh, anyway. Nothing but good news for the Niners all around.
Lots of people said that he’d simply be released, and my 1st reaction was that as well. But I quickly realized (in Dec) that there were no FAs worth more than a bag of balls. Tavaris Jackson? Matt Moore? Jason Campbell? Purple Drank? Passerooni. Also, there were no QBs coming out that would resemble anything like the last 2 QB-heavy drafts. Geno Smith? Matt (who?) Glennon? Matt (hot-tub) Barkley? None of these guys may even get drafted in the 1st round, and they are the cream of the shitty QB crop this year. Doesn’t mean they won’t make it in the NFL, just that they won’t walk in and start winning like A. Luck, RG III, and even Christian Ponder. No go there.
Therefore, the trade value for Alex. They get a 2 and anything, it’ll be a great deal. Looks like it’ll be a 2 and a 2. Getting anything for Smith would be a big feather in the cap of the Niners front office, seeing as he was going to be released anyway. The vortex of weirdness that seemed to keep the Niners and Alex tied together seems to have created the perfect storm to get max value on his departure.
Huzzah!
Forty Niners Forever 
I’m sure Frufant willbe gone. The rest look good tho. . . Honey Badger is definitnely a later round guy. If we have 3 3rds, I might do it.
Xavier Rhodes ran a 4.41. I’m tellin’ you, NJ. Forget about the draft and the combine hype, that guy will be the next shut down corner in the NFL.
He’s a keeper Spit.
Question is the slot you can find him in.
Many of these guys would work in our system as interchangeable parts too.
Either Rhodes or Trufant for me in the Press Cover CB role would be fine.
I’m very impressed with Sanders Commings UGA.
He’s a 216LB CB that ran 4.41
Sick numbers and, he’s big enough to consider as a S perhaps.
I was rather disappointed with Phillip Thomas.
4.6s won’t cut it at the NFL level.
I’d also add Earl Wolf and David Amerson from NC St to the S list.
Amerson is listed at CB but would probably work better for us at S.
Wolf had 361 tackles plus, he turned in a 4.44 and, weighed in at 209.
This DB Group is ridiculously deep and talented.
I wouldn’t reach for a CB or a S, we should find talent into the 3rd or 4th Rds.
Rhodes could be there for us however at the lower end of Rd 1, we’ll see?
Meant to suggest that Banks, not Rhodes, could be there for us at the bottom of Rd 1.
I think Rhodes is going to be a Top 15 Pick.
Banks and Trufant are interesting.
Banks has the Ht but didn’t run particularly well.
Trufant smoked it.
Is Banks more of a Safety? Way too slow in Indy to be considered an NFL CB.
Going to be interesting come April.
I read that Rhodes’ 40 time puts him into the second best corner in the draft category. It’s good, but it also sucks. I’m a firm believer in the teams putting too much stock in 40 times. I think Rhodes is a top 15 pick now, which sucks. But if he ran a slower 40, he might slip to us. A perfect example is Phillip Thomas. 4.6? I’d bet you Goldson can’t run a 4.5. The beauty of the 4.6 Phillip Thomas number is that he’ll drop into the late second, early third round area. That means the 49ers could pick him with their second, second round pick (assuming we get a higher 2nd round pick for Alex). And the other thing about Phillip Thomas is that I bet he runs faster at his pro day.
Think the Bengals aren’t thrilled Mohammed Sanu ran a 4.7 at the combine and fell to them in the 3rd?
It’s all about fit Spit.
Sanu has to separate and the DBs have to mirror the Routes.
I can’t get over the number of quality DB options coming into focus for this Draft.
I’m already rethinking my pecking order and where they might fit with our style of play.
Trufant is a shifty guy with Press ability.
Great for the Slot with that speed too.
Banks?
He came highly rated and dropped a load in the 40.
Plenty of great kids to choose from this time around.
We’ll do well I’m sure.
Just for fun, both Banks and Phillip Thomas crapped the 40.
If you had to choose between the 2 for the Safety position, which way do you go?
I’d go with Banks.
Seems to be the Golden Rule, slow College CBs become Safeties in the NFL
A safety only has to mirror a route for a very brief period of time – nothing like a corner. Most of the safety mirror is done on deep route double moves, and qb seven step drops. I’m not worried at all about Phillip Thomas. Kid can play. I’d draft him in a heart beat with 62.
Sanu was also seen as a #2 for them.
We’ll likely be looking for that type of guy in April ourselves.
We really don’t have a true #1 at this point but, this Draft likely won’t have one anyway.
Unless AJ was the plan last year?
Read that Woods from USC met with Harbaugh during the Combine.
He kinda looks like a Manningham-type guy to me from what I’ve seen and, his numbers look very solid.
I don’t think the 49ers are going to find a number one…… I think they’ll pull a Green Bay Packers and go with a ton of different number twos. I don’t think Greg Jennings or a guy like Marques Colton with the Saints is or was any better than Crabtree. I think they’re all number twos. Give me five number twos…… and some Pepto.
We have WR Ricardo Lockette working in SC with Kaep and AJ.
Lockette was an absolute missile at the Combines a couple years back.
He needed time to develop and apparently we’re taking the time to do that.
Seattle let him go.
He might be the deep threat in waiting right now?
With all the Picks we’re holding, it’s going to be interesting to see what Baalke has in mind.
Both AJ and Lockette are speedy guys so we’ll find out if 1 of them emerges.
Crabtree is solid and I have no problem with your GB analogy.
Whatever moves the chains and gets us points is all that matters.
I’ve read a lot about Lockette and I’m not convinced. I think it’s great the 49ers have a guy who can take the top off the defense but learning to play receiver on the practice squad at the pro level doesn’t happen often. Who knows, thoug? Maybe he’ll develop some chemistry with Kaep. I’d love to see it. I think Jenkins will be fine. Everyone’s calling him a bust, but he basically got red shirted. We did have Crabtree, Moss, Manningham and Kyle Williams going into the start of he season, and let’s also not forget that number 11 was the qb for most of the season, then a second year guy took over. Hard to break in with a scenario like that. If Moss leaves, that leaves us Jenkins, Manningham, Crabtree and Kyle Williams. I don’t want anymore mother fuckin’ short guys at wide receiver. We have enough, thank you. I want a tall, physical receiver who’s going to out-muscle you. Last year I was screaming for Sanu or Alshon Jeffrey. I was right. Who gives a turd if their 40 times are slow? All they have to do is post up and come down with the rebound.
A taller TE with dependable hands would help that scenario too.
Manningham has a tough battle to get back from knee surgery too.
He may not survive or get PUP listed, who knows?
Lockette and AJ are both pretty acrobatic guys, who knows at this point if either is ready to contribute meaningful downs.
Good point about the Red Shirt, that’s about all it amounted to.
He did get his feet wet and knows the process now.
Way too early to apply a bust label.
Many wanted to do that with Crabtree too.
I always believed he just didn’t want to be here.
More likely it was just the inability to get in sync with Alex.
He and Kaep took off together when the opportunity presented itself, which settles that debate perhaps?
BTW Spit, speaking of Sanu.
Another guy coming out from Rutgers is WR Mark Harrison.
He had an off year this past year but is 6’3″ and runs in the 4.4s.
Got freaky long 35″ arms and a very respectable 38.5″ Vertical.
Fits your description for that ‘go up and get it’ guy.
He was the deep threat for Schiano before he split for TB.
Just throwing him into the conversation, I’ve got plenty of Combine review going on.
Could consider him as a later Rd option.
Thomas is solid.
His 40 will be the issue.
As mentioned, there is a ton of talent in this Group.
We should do fine finding good fits.
Spitblood
You keep talking about Sanu and acting like he made some All Rookie team.
He caught 16 passes for 154 yards. Josh Morgan caught 20 balls for 319 yards as a rookie for the Forty Niners.
You seem to think catching one pass a game makes you a #2 receiver and gives you a hardon.
The rookie 3rd round pick you should be gushing about is TY Hilton who had a great rookie year.
Sanu’s the real deal. Remember, he has Andy Dalton throwing to him, and he was stuck behind several other good wide receivers. Give him a few years…. and a better qb.
I’m not interested in a guy that will be good “in a few years” Spit, the window is now. I would like 1 big bodied receiver to compete with the bigger CB’s in the RZ etc. If a more talented shorty is available though I think you take BPA over need.
The thing about AJ is he worked with Kappy for the first 9 weeks of the season, and still couldn’t really get out there and make plays. Granted, he didn’t get a shitload of opportunities, but yeah, we’ll see. I’m not too down on the guy. Yet. He’s supposedly working out with Kappy in GA. That’s great. Let;s hope he gets a bit of an attitude adjustment as well.
I still like Ramses Barden from SLO. He’s down on the Giants depth chart, but the dude is big (6’6″), stong and a good leaper. He’s an FA like a million others on March 12th. His one start for the Giants he blew up. 9 catches, 138 . . .
Tim Kawakami is reporting that the Niner have traded Alex Smith to the chiefs for their #2 pick this year and a 2 next year. They did better than I thought, and wow, that means the Niners have the 31st AND 34th picks. Leverage up the wazoo.
The San Jose Mercury News‘ Tim Kawakami reports San Francisco will receive a second-round pick this year and “a similar pick” in 2014.
Smith was having the best season of his career before an injury knocked him out of the lineup in November. Colin Kaepernick took over and led San Francisco to the Super Bowl. With a weak draft class and few other potential starters available, Smith was one of the top targets for teams looking to upgrade at quarterback.
Here’s the TK link:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/02/27/framework-of-a-trade-alex-smith-to-kansas-city-for-a-2nd-round-pick-this-year-and-a-similar-pick-in-2014/
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8995035/san-francisco-49ers-agree-trade-alex-smith-kansas-city-chiefs-source
Well there it is Smith is gone. We get the Chiefs’ second, and a conditional in ’14. That’s a great deal. We now have 15 picks, and are primed to bring in two or three impact players – potentially trading up for a heartbreaker like Star or a man with Oprah Winfrey’s ass in Xavier Rhodes. Do we trade up? Do we sit fast? One thing’s for sure, we have the cap room because Smith’s gone, and we have the picks. It’ll be an interesting off season. Hope Gamble’s input won’t be missed. If there’s ever a time when we need a collection of talent evaluators (both pro and college) it’s now. Let’s make the most of this cap room and draft pick windfall, Baalke! This off season could prove to be the doorway to a dynasty. .
Kansas City, the home for wayward Forty Niner QBs. Smith joins Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, and Steve DeBerg as QBs going from the Niners to the KC Chiefs.
Wow. A 2nd from KC (34th pick) is about the best 2nd you could get. And it’s a 2nd. This is awesome and much better than I hoped. Now Baalke has to do something constructive with his 7,348 late round picks he’s accumulated because those are unlikely to see 49er red and gold beyond the preseason.
Hope we get the 2nd and keep our early picks. This, from Sando:
” Initial reports suggest the 49ers are getting the 34th overall choice and a 2014 conditional pick from Kansas City. That would be an outstanding deal from the 49ers’ perspective. Is that the full deal? We do not know whether the Chiefs were able to get any draft compensation back from San Francisco. The fact that Kansas City picks so high in the second round enhances the value for San Francisco, which also picks 31st. Stay tuned.”
” Granted, he didn’t get a shitload of opportunities, but yeah, we’ll see. I’m not too down on the guy.”
He didn’t CREATE a shitload of opportunities. All indications are this guy didn’t either put in the work or have the mental noodles to grasp enough to find his way ahead of freaking Ted Ginn. I wish it were otherwise, and it is still only one bust year, but my gut tells me Jenkins was a wasted 1st round pick. We’ll see indeed. I wonder if he can double his production for 2013. Wait, that’s mathematically impossible.
It’s not that he had poor stats. He had no stats.
“He had no stats.”
So I’m tied with a professional football player in at least one category…
You left out ‘Yet’ . . . AJ hit the doghouse hard. He came in out of shape, and Harbaugh gave him no quarter. I don’t profess to know what went on behind the scenes, but I was surprised he didn’t get more playing time once everyone else got hurt. We ended up in kind of the same situation this year as last. Down to nothing the the WR dep’t. in the playoffs. Crabs was good, but Moss vanished in the SB, and Ginn did little. Manningham’s injury was a killer. KW’s hurt as well.
This gives creedence to the idea that they would take Ertz if available with the 34th (or even 31st) pick. I’d pull the trigger.
Harbaugh loves him some playmaking TEs so he’d be a great fit, and a great RZ target. He’s a good enough blocker besides.
Doubt they take Ertz Chuck.He graded out bad at the.combine,they say his arm’s are to short for his size as well,He is not rated as high in ability as.his former.teammate Coby Fleener say most scouts.
Fucking A….A two this year,and a two next with Alex playing time im delierious…
Five.picks in the first ninety-three players!!!!! Fuck Yeah!!!!
Funny thing is, the last KC QB to win a playoff game? None other than Joe montana.
Now if Smith beats Manning for the AFC West title, I will laugh all the way to Dennis’ funeral.
Ha!
Save me a seat, I’ll be there
I’m stoked at what the Niners are getting in return.. Sounds like we got a lot more that the talking heads on ESPN were saying.. Best of luck to Alex Smith.. Beat then Raiders!
For all the BS around Alex, KC was trading for a starting NFL QB. That means they have to put out something.
Yep.. Some analyst said last week that he’d be surprised if the Niners got a third for Smith.. Crow tastes nasty.
Just a thought to keep in mind: the 31st and 34th picks in trade would move you up to around 13. Throw in one of our thirds and you could crack the top ten. Not saying it’ll happen, but if the team identifies a real difference maker and wants to make a move, we have the ammo to do it.
Helluva job by Baalke to get maximum value for Smith. He’ll give KC more credibility at QB than they’ve had in a while, too.
Next year, we will again have a second pick near the first round (probably forty-0something, if Alex helps stop KC’s bleeding). So we’ll again have some options.
Chuck came closest to nailing it: 2 picks fer Smythe, maybe a second and a third next yeah? Something like that. Others were saying maybe we would get a waterboy and a cheerleader or two for Alex, the young Sir Alex. Uh, wrong.
This leaves us with a problem: what the fuck will we obsess on for the next 2-3 months?
Hey its a Phil sighting, welcome back!
Yeah it’s me. Good to be here. Maybe the dust is settling down?
Phil I was speculating a swap of 3s and a 2 next year from KC.
If this report is accurate, 2 2s is a killer deal by Baalke.
I had hoped all along that we would get a Schaub deal for ourselves and apparently we did.
Excellent return for Alex.
Andy Reid knows the value of a good QB right?
If this turns out to be accurate, it makes sense it’s a done deal with 2 weeks to go because they got their asking price already and it was steep. Best of luck to Smith, hope we see him in the SB next year….Against the Niners!
Arizona would be aware of the terms of the deal so one can only hope they are going to make a run at Smith, it means making an even better deal than KC. Bring it on baby.
If the 49ers have already agreed and the timeline / official deadline is just a formality, they’d kill their reputation taking a higher bid.