! ~ ~ ~ Countdown to Oblivion ~ ~ ~ !

99 Losses or Bust

We seem to be in the holding pattern of 1 win, 2 losses as this bland flavorless season continues it’s slow march to oblivion.

Looks like the 1985 team of Jimmy Davenport is safe in the knowledge that they will continue to be the one and only 100 loss team in the 144 year history of the NY/SF Gothams/Giants.

I mean, 5 more wins out of 21 games shouldn’t be that hard. Right?

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  1. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    The A’s-Brewers game was in Vegas, not Sac. final 15-14 in 12 for Brewers. As one of pitchers said mlb.com story, “The ball flies.”

  2. xoot's avatar xoot says:

    this team doesn’t need Ramos or Bader, both primed to return. This team needs all the pitching it can add. Possible? I doubt it. Hope Posey’s trying, though.

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

      Agree Xoot. Pitching is the problem, albeit, I still want to shed Adumbass’s contract some how, some way. Same deal with Chapman. Obviously, they have contracts and that will be near impossible.

      Lastly, I have seen enough of Vitello.

  3. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 says:

    They do have 3 lefties starters at Sac who could add some spark to this shit staff..

    Once they trade Ray you have Carson Whisenhunt,Joe Whitman recently promoted to AAA after being named player of the month at AA Richmond,And “The Tugboat “Wilkerson all pitching extremely well.You could use the BP depth and a Starter , and Dump useless guys like Beck, Seymour homers,etc..

  4. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Vitelllo’s unabashed favoritism with Gilbert is a joke as well.

    Didn’t think He’d be this clueless about situational things and actually paying attention as to who he has used in his pen.

    Estes was dead-on last night.

    And these guys simply are retarded in how the use ABS. The rest of the league seems to know the right times to use it. We are mental, and Adames is out to lunch.

  5. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    If they have not already, Giants must decide ASAP the real purpose of this season, and act accordingly. Playoffs are lost. 13 games underwater almost mid-June is bad, arguably the worst team not just in the NL, but the entire MLB. Rest of the season, they have to play .632 to get to 87 wins, .568 just to get to .500. That’s climbing K2 with no oxygen.

    IMO the purpose of this lost season now is prepare/plan for the future, accumulate and develop more talent. There are several layers to that. Get Eldridge a full slate of experience at the plate and at 1b on defense. Trade expiring contracts (Ray, Arraez) ASAP to get pitching and outfield prospects. They have plenty of infield prospects already. As said above, trade guys that are minor to decent contributors to open up space for prospects to audition and get experience. These guys, like Ramos and Bader, do nothing to advance the future. Absolutely trade one of the 3 monstrosity contracts — Chapman, Adames, Devers. Preferably Chapman to open up 3rd for Schmitt and that opens up the lineup. A lot of you don’t like it, but I would definitely trade Webb right now. His stock is way way WAY up after these last two outings. He would attract a good haul of top AA prospects. This thing is going nowhere, it’s on life support. It needs major surgery to recover, and that doesn’t happen without some pain.

    • xoot's avatar xoot says:

      they can give away bags of cbd and thc gummies at games. Maybe for a special treat a bobble head posey pez- like dispenser that ejects oxycodone pills.

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

      Not attached to any of these guys, so yeah, trade all of them (Adumbass, Devers, and Chapman) . . . Agree with your reasoning about Chapman having to go, i.e., Schmitt is a good infielder, particularly at 3rd base.

      Devers, I like, but Eldridge I am almost 80-90% certain is going to be a big star. He needs to play everyday . . . in the heart of the LU, not 6th or 7th. Frankly, I do not mind keeping Devers, as he can DH or play 1st.

      Insofar as Adumbass – partially the reason we lost last night is that his “Ofer 5” with 2 Ks, was a dagger in the heart, as he was 0-2 RISP. Move his ass down to 6th or 7th in the LU, and move Eldridge into the 4 or 5 spot in the LU.

      I like Webb and I think it is an act of love, where we allow him to be with a contender. Equally important, as snarrk said, his value is sky high right now, particularly after that gem he pitched last night.

      What this team does now will decide our future. This is an opportunity to improve significantly as a team. As snarkk said, do NOT wait for next season to do something. Now, is the time for Buster and the rest of ownership to act.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

        Exactly. Webb has been a good soldier through thin times. Get him to a contender while he still has a live arm, and get some good talent in return.

  6. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    The Pen is definitely a problem, but it’s seems somewhat overblown in the scheme of all the bad things, IMO. They’ve blown 8 saves out of 21 save chances. That’s a save rate of just 62%. Not good, yes. But, what if they blew only 4 or 5 of the 21? Save rates in the 80%+. You’re not going to save 21 of 21 even with a good closer, maybe you get 16-18. Anyway, add 4 or 5 successful saves to the current record and they are still 8-9 games under .500 right now. Still atrocious and out of the playoffs. The real problem is once they are behind, they don’t make comebacks late in the game — after the 6th. What is it now, one win out of 27-28 situations like that? Pathetic, and a killer…

  7. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    BTW, Vitello is and has been leaking oil, but it’s not even close to all his fault. He won’t/can’t be fired before the season ends, and should not be.

    This team didn’t hit or score the first 2 months of the season. The Pen has/had no closer and is populated by a bunch of no names. How many more wins would Bochy get with those assets? 3 or 4? Maybe. And, that’s with proven support coaches. No way Bochy would have this putrid squad at .500 or better.

    Vitello’s coaches and other support are failing him. If Winn was not good to go last night, his arm was hanging from a thread, whatever, then Vitello’s coaches and training staff should have been on that point. Were they? Did they tell him that, or shrug their shoulders? What did they do? Did they tell him that and he ignored them — I doubt that. He’s not managing in a vaccuum, at least I hope he’s not. Players are gonna lie about being ready. That’s why coaches are there — they are supposed to have their ears and eyes close on the players to help the manager manage.

    BTW, Webb’s interview after the game was weird — he sounded like when Vitello asked, he didn’t tell Vitello one way or another if he could go in the 9th. He said he “left the decision” to Vitello. Huh? Sounds to me from that response is that leaving Webb in was not such a no brainer for the manager.

    Vitello needs help and support. Borg was just the most obvious mistake, the team is playing all season too poorly to give the coaching staff hardly any blame. Posey has clearly done Vitelllo no favors in getting him player, Pen and coach support.

    • willedav's avatar willedav says:

      Yes, Webb said to Vitello, “It’s up to you” per Shayna Rubin and Baggs. hmmn

      Just wondering how that makes fans feel? He had flown back day earlier than rest of team too.

  8. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    Hopefully Giants can get back on track/pick up where they left off from road trip.

    I realize doom is now back in force, but I have hard time imagining Posey goes all out fire sale just to get more prospects, i.e. suspects. to begin with, Adames contract is one of more onerous in all of baseball, at $31 mil for next 5. In order to move him SF would not only have to kick back some part of it, they’d probably have to take on albatross deal of another team. giants stuck Sox with $30 mil of ridiculous Hicks contract after Sox balked at kicking any of Devers’ salary back.

    In case of Chapman, who is rolling right now, I think if Posey went to him and said hey we’ve had feelers from some contenders, would you be OK with moving on? he’d likely say yeah go ahead. He’s a made man, boras guy, who will always get his $$ wherever he goes.

    • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

      I doubt it. He has it made here. No pressure at all. He goes to Boston, and he’ll have the press up his ass after every 0-fer game.

      • willedav's avatar willedav says:

        Sure, could be. but most guys want to win or at least be in pennant race and even .500 seems like pipe dream here for near future.

  9. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Fuck this shit. This team is actually finally showing some heart and Vitello is the one choking them out.

    They have a building FULL of ex-HOF managers in Bochy, Dusty, Dick Tingler, and the ghost of Willie Mays and Willie McCovey to garner advice from.

    Are they all just playing grab-ass while Vitello manages like a fucking imbecile?

    Figure out the ABS for fuck’s sake.

    Don’t let your catcher throw the SAME PITCH 14 times while you look on from 20 feet away.

  10. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    I guess I’ll just let this thread roll on. Wish I could start the page over tho…

  11. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Hmmm, tried to make some changes. Not sure if they worked, but I guess you guys will just have to check this out as it rolls along.

    I’m changing the 2nd level heading, but changing the page one is a hassle.

  12. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    Hey, it kinda worked, This page won’t time out for 100 days, and it rolls over to a new screen after 30 posts. No way for you guys to see that the thread has been updated other than to view it.

  13. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    Vitello’s apparently bumbling / ill-informed moves last night and others he’s made so far this season are just a microcosm of the decade-long bumbling, bad, stupid, short-sighted, and penny wise and pound foolish on and off-field personnel and development moves made by this Giants ownership and 4 layers of its FO management. He’s the latest symptom and arguably a victim of an organization that’s still adrift, hes not a major cause of the chaos — he hasn’t been around long enough. I wonder what amount of juice he actually had on how this roster was/is shaped and the formulation of the coaching staff, and their roles and authority. You guys may remember this coaching staff was barely completed, if it even was, just before the start of Spring Training. Coaching roles were in flux really late into the Spring. So far, the team has performed like that staff was put together — not very well…

  14. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    It’s like a 5 MPH car crash that just doesn’t end. It’s not like new management came in and made wholesale changes to derail this train. It has been just a slow take-over by real estate wonks after Magowan and Neukom left.

    The farm has been a wreck since the 2010 draft, yielding very little short of Webb in 2014. Maybe guys are in the pipe. It seems like the lower teams are doing well, and Eldridge looks like he very well could be something.

    But as we saw in that chart, EVERY team has drafted better than us over the past 10 seasons.

    But I really have no idea how much has gone into changing the guys in the trenches in A, AA, AAA, instructional league, rookie league, scouts, etc. over the past regimes from Bochy on.

    But it’s usually the same old shit of guys looking completely lost when they come up. Can’t hit the cutoff man, throw to the wrong base, bad baserunning, yadda yadda yadda.

    This looks a lot like the 49ers did before harbaugh got here and instilled a winning attitude. Vitello I thought was gonna be brash and outspoken and play fast and loose.

    All I see is VERY staid 60s style baseball of everyone just trying to mash the shit out of the ball.

  15. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    Lest we forget, prevailing theme here and elsewhere as far as manager goes was NO retreads. Changing POBOs/managers in middle of stream, idk if ownership goes that far.

  16. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    Supposed to warm up quite a bit in Bay Area rest of week. Tomorrow and Sunday will both be day games. so unlikely more siberian weather blankets needed.

  17. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 says:

    Same old Shit Vitello are who ever is calling the shots refuse to move Adumass out of the cleanup spot as every potential rally dies with his asinine AB’s after the table is set!!

    Lame excuse also last night during his interview after the game, when someone asked about Killian going in for the 9th, he said he wasn’t available WTF he threw 6 pitches to Winn’s 22 who’s arm was falling off and yet Killian ( what did he do bang his head on the Airplane overhead carry on?) and was temporarily concussed ?) Gawd Thats BS Vitello is such an idiot!!

  18. xoot's avatar xoot says:

    hoser is so terrible. Only boruki (sp) was worse. Get rid of him. Even whiz (sp) would be better.

  19. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    That was funny. susac could have walked twice if he’d laid off sliders in dirt.

  20. Macdog's avatar Macdog says:

    The grand slam magic has run out.

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