! ~ ~ ~ Countdown to Oblivion ~ ~ ~ !

99 Losses or Bust

We seem to be in the holding pattern of 1 win, 2 losses as this bland flavorless season continues it’s slow march to oblivion.

Looks like the 1985 team of Jimmy Davenport is safe in the knowledge that they will continue to be the one and only 100 loss team in the 144 year history of the NY/SF Gothams/Giants.

I mean, 5 more wins out of 21 games shouldn’t be that hard. Right?

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  1. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 says:

    Only the Giants are consistent being the worse baseball running team ! Fuck you take out Eldridge with Cox who’s clueless on how many outs (nice work by the 1B coach reminding him, Devers alittle pop fly and here goes Cox lollygagging slowly around the bases!! My lord how much more retarded baseball to the fans have to endure..

  2. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    whew that was scorched. what a play by Lee!

  3. alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 says:

    What a sensational catch by Lee!! Reminds me of”Pence at the Fence”

  4. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    JH Lee is finding himself both at bat and in the field. Hopefully he stays healthy and doesn’t hurt himself making those catches.

    Webb must have told Vitello to F off when he came out for that mound visit.

    Webb will seldom have more trade value, now after a third top notch start in a row. Trading him makes sense, he’s throwing a great game again today, but even if the Giants win this one, they still lose the series. So, battle won, war lost. Then, onto Atlanta, where chances are they will lose that series, if not get swept.

    Keeping Webb instead of getting a big trade haul of prospects for him is just not smart future management, IMO. This team is going nowhere this year, likely not next. All Webb starts do are provide a shot of “feel good” between the jackassery, and don’t even guarantee a win anyway. Trade him…

  5. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    Giants stealing bases? What?

  6. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    Vitello leading charmed life today. Giants have at least 4 bloops that fell for hits the Cubs couldn’t catch. He’s bunted twice when he didn’t need to and both times hitters drove in run from 2nd. Lee saved a run etc. when Webb’s pitch got hammered into the corner after Vitello left him in. He has Schmitt steal bag that turns into run on another bloop hit by Susac. Sometimes better to be lucky than good.

  7. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

    Yeah, overall a feel good day with the win. Probably not the same for anyone else, but I personally can take very little joy in 1 win, followed by 2 or 3 losses. Frankly, Webb had to pitch 7 or 8 innings of almost 1 or no runs allowed, to have a chance to win this game. That’s how bad our bullpen is.

    We need a real good housecleaning by ownership/Posey, so yes, I agree with snarkk, that Webb should be traded this season. Again, that’s only the beginning though. This team needs CPR and AED (Automated External Defibrillator) quickly . . .

    The alternative to a “real good housecleaning” (CPR and AED) is 4-5 more seasons of rebuilding. We all saw how well that played out with Zaidi. Anyway, onwards and upwards we go to Atlanta . . .

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

      Yeah, blade. A good, widespread housecleaning is in order, including ossified officials, scouts and other personnel in the organization that have contributed to this mess. It won’t happen, unfortunately. Posey will make some player moves, but likely stop short of making really organization-changing stuff. The ship doesn’t just need a course correction, it needs dry-docking and re-fit.

      Sabes traded Matt Williams, and caught crap, but it was proved the right thing to do. Posey should be as or more bold. 9 years of crap results out of 10 are the support for it. Assuming touted AA and high A players are guaranteed in 2-3 years to save this ship is a big assumption, based on past hype of farmhands. Stock up on young position player assets and arms, build around Eldridge — the more the merrier…

  8. snarkk's avatar snarkk says:

    Nice win, despite the faux pas committed by both teams. Giants only need about 60 more wins like this before October.

    Adames with a robust 0-4, leaving 4 RISP with 2 out. OPS now at .692. He should be batting in the 8 hole. Maybe he’ll wake up in the heat of Hotlanta. Devers got a hit and a BB, shockingly no Ks — now OPS at .706. Since the Devers trade, SF is something like 26 games under .500 over both seasons — ouch …

    • James's avatar James says:

      He’s basically been the equivalent of 36 year old Albert Pujols, but with even more years left on the contract. I’m not feeling hopeful the performance is going to improve much. The net WAR for 2026 is -1.8. Maybe we don’t really want to see more of Buster the Bold.

      • willedav's avatar willedav says:

        Not making excuses for anyone, but Adames seems entirely untradeable, until the one month he explodes. Only way that would happen is the other team makes Posey take back a Dansby Swanson type contract: 3 more years @$80 million. He’s likely an improvement defensively but an even worse hitter than Adames. He’s currently hitting .179 with OPS under .600, 100 full points worse than Adames.

        Bottom line Giants are stuck with him.

      • James's avatar James says:

        Ha, I was referring to Devers!

  9. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    No you cannot trade Webb, ever. You have 162 games to get through next year, 30 starts by 5 guys +. Giants currently have exactly no one beside Webb capable of doing that. How many more Housers and Mahle starts do you want to see?

    He sends a message to all the yutes (Roupp et al) with his performance today–throw strikes (not meatballs) and be prepared to be efficient enough to throw 100 pitches before 5th inning.

    It doesn’t matter who or what “prospects” you get back–99% sure bet none will ever bring value he does. He’s signed for 2 more years; maybe by then one or two of his potential replacements might be ready. Not now.

  10. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

    If Buster Posey pulls the trigger, the Giants wouldn’t just get “some very good prospects” – they should be demanding a historic, franchise-altering package. We are talking multiple Top-50 prospects, including near-major-league-ready bats that can slot right into the middle of the lineup by next spring.

    Webb is pitching beautifully right now, and because he’s locked down on a highly team-friendly contract through 2028, his trade value will never be higher than it is at this exact moment. To a desperate contender looking for a frontline starter with years of control, Webb is worth a king’s ransom.

    Sending him to a contender gives a great player a chance to chase a ring while his value is sky-high, and it gives the Giants the exact high-voltage jolt their farm system desperately needs to avoid a 5-year rebuild.

    • willedav's avatar willedav says:

      totally unrealistic but dream on. And while you’re at it dream up 5 SPs for Giants next year. Posey, while acknowledging this season is basically toast, I really don’t think is going on ballistic scorched earth break up the team path for total rebuild, which ownership would veto in heartbeat, right or wrong.

      what he is trying to do is figure out how to be at least marginally better in near future, like next year until top hitting prospects are hopefully ready. That would not involve trading away best and really only SP you have. when ownership is not going to sign top flight FA SP to long term deal.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

        Willie, WTF are you talking about? In my post that you responded to, did I mention anyone, EXCEPT WEBB? No, I didn’t . . . You said this regarding Posey:

        “I really don’t think (Posey) is going on ballistic scorched earth break up the team path for total rebuild, which ownership would veto in heartbeat, right or wrong.”

        Uhh, okay Willie, trading one player is “. . . going on ballistic scorched earth break up the team path for total rebuild.” Yeah, right.

        Now, have I suggested getting rid of Chapman, Adames, and/or Devers in previous posts? Absolutely. However, even an 11 year old kid recognizes that 2 of the 3 guys have ironclad contracts . . . with only Devers without a no-trade clause.

        Ergo . . . Absolutely, it will be near impossible to trade the aforementioned players, particularly with this ownership that spends the majority of its time – counting “sold out” gate, TV, and parking receipts money; i.e., they are content with being a middling team going nowhere, as long as the money keeps “cha chinging” away.

    • willedav's avatar willedav says:

      Realize too the Giants have #4 pick in draft this year, pretty much guaranteed to be solid player, whether they take IF/SP. However they cannot draft higher than 10th next season, so tanking this year will not do them any favors in the 2027 draft.

      • Winder's avatar Winder says:

        I don’t know Wille wasn’t Bart the #2 in the first. We can still find a way to screw this up. Just glad to see Webby have a good game.

      • willedav's avatar willedav says:

        Ha Winder, too true. I think there’s more data and analysis on guys today. Sure hope they succeed here.

      • Winder's avatar Winder says:

        I am not sure what we should do but I know taking a HS shortstop is not the way to go this year. I would take the best available pitcher or outfielder at 4. We need to get back to Giants baseball

  11. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    I just don’t see this front office being that intelligent. This front office is banking on days like today. Damn near a sellout for a team 15 games under .500.

    They are set up around casual fans. Webb is a homegrown guy that looks like he’s back in the groove. No way they trade him.

    • willedav's avatar willedav says:

      At same time, you can’t ask fanbase to fork up ticket $$, plus food and drink to watch doofus yutes like Jonah Cox running around the bases like an idiot. giants fans are more than savvy enough not to tolerate season’s worth of “play the kids and watch them stumble.” they’ve already seen too much of that over last few seasons. Baer would go all Fred Sanford on any thoughts of a tear down rebuild, “It’s the real big one.”

  12. xoot's avatar xoot says:

    Aldon Smith died sitting in the front seat of a car on a day he spent with a couple of friends delivering pizza to homeless people in San Jose.

    • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

      Xoot, yeah, I read about this earlier this morning. His friend, Amir Shirazi, found him slumped over in the passenger seat and called 911. Smith was then transported to Good Samaritan Hospital in San Jose, where he was declared dead.

      The Santa Clara County chief medical examiner’s office stated that the official cause and manner of death are pending, and toxicology results often take weeks or months to be finalized. His buddy, Amir, believes the death may have been caused by a massive heart attack or natural causes.

    • xoot's avatar xoot says:

      much too young.

  13. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

    Today is the anniversary of the Devers trade. The Giants were tied for first place two days before the Devers trade last season, even with the Bums at 41-29. His WAR this season is 0.1

    Free agents not named Arraez – Houser, Mahle, Bader, Hentges, and Foley (whom hasn’t appeared yet) have a combined WAR of -0.7. Yuck.

    Per John Shea, “They’re a flawed team, for starters, nowhere close to where they anticipated being with Devers. First in the majors in hits but 26th in on-base percentage because they’re last in walks by a large margin. Also last in steals. Couple that with the sixth-worst rotation ERA, along with some sloppy defense and errant base running along the way, and it’s no wonder they’re almost always in a hole. What do the Giants need to do to win, hit a grand slam every day? Well, yes. In the historic 23-game stretch in which they hit seven grand slams, they were 7-0 in grand-slam games and 2-14 in non-grand-slam games. Not exactly a realistic formula for success.

    The hitting woes of Devers, Willy Adames, and Matt Chapman have corresponded with the team’s place in the standings. Devers and Adames had dreadful Aprils (.537 and .593 OPSs, respectively), improved in May, and have been bad again in June. In contrast, Chapman’s May was horrendous (.533 OPS), but he’s tearing it up in June. Jung Hoo Lee also struggled at the outset but turned his season around and had an 18-game hit streak snapped over the weekend, though Lee rarely draws a walk, which is a team-wide issue. Patrick Bailey? Provided next to nothing offensively and was traded with his .396 OPS to Cleveland. Where would the Giants be without Schmitt and Arráez?”

    • James's avatar James says:

      Devers was also traded away for young talent drafted by the previous regime, which is essentially what any upcoming Posey trades will likely be targeting. Harrison at 24 has also seemed to settle in after a rough first couple of years, like Webb did. That the rotation is the single biggest SF failure point makes the results of the trade a little more painful. Devers can still turn it around with a strong finish that reassures he’s going to provide real future value ….

  14. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado says:

    Who was the kraut on Laugh In that said, “Very Interesting” (Artie something) . . . Anyway, this NY Times article which came out today by Ken Rosenthal is all conjecture/rumors right now.

    Welp? At least, “the Giants have put out feelers on some of their players, testing the waters for potential deals, according to people briefed on their discussions.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7363364/2026/06/15/giants-buster-posey-trade-talks/

  15. James's avatar James says:

    Many don’t like K. Winn, but he’s had a nice season. A couple of years ago, he looked like he was ready to slot into the rotation as a pretty fair Gausman imitation (97-98 mph, good split) when an arm injury derailed him. Now he’s back on the IL after being used 3 straight games over the weekend in 20+ pitch outings. A dude who’s already had major arm troubles. The nonsensical line ups and early inning bunting are annoying, but relatively inconsequential …. It’s supposedly a short stay. We get to enjoy more Tristan Beck in the mean time.

      • James's avatar James says:

        Well, he’s given up fewer hits and walks combined than IP. He’s only given up two bombs in 30 innings. He’s made 22 appearances without giving up a run. His ERA is still good despite the last outing that Vitello forced on him.

      • unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

        He gave up the game-tying home run 2 days before the meltdown. Oh, not the last 22 appearances.

        So, he saved his worst 2 outings in his last 3?

        Or 3 of his last 5.

        How’s he doing on inherited runners?

      • xoot's avatar xoot says:

        he’s given up fewer hits and walks combined than innings pitched? Jeez. That’s like calling a post it a canary yellow adhesive backed note leaf. But it’s true, I see. His whip is very low. Or was.

      • James's avatar James says:

        Chuck, if there are several more outings like the two that you seem to have formed your judgment of him on, his WHIP, ERA and HR/9 will reflect that and he’ll no longer be having a nice season. He may also wind up with a longer stint on the IL before that happens.

      • xoot's avatar xoot says:

        yeah, just to be clear: last year Randy Rodriguez had a .888 whip. At one point, early in the season, his FIP was are you kidding me negative. And he lasted long enough to make the AS team.

    • alleykat69's avatar alleykat69 says:

      James…Screw Tristan how does he even have options left Beck!!And yet he knows no other team wants him, yet the orq still thinks he has value lol , so they hang onto this loser! why?? The Giants are clueless, so they hang on to retreads just to eat some innings up??No teams will take his sorry ass so they keep bringing him back to fuck up more?Beck he’s been nothing but garbage with HIT ME stuff written all over him like Mason Black ,Beede,Smucks like Seymour,Samaritan, Mahle&Houser..

      Atleast show some Cajones in a forgettable season, trade Ray,Mahle,Houser should be good too( think they were stupid enough to give him 2 years??) Bring up all 3 WWW’s Whisenhunt,,Whitman,Wilkerson (Tugboat) for SP/Relief it would only atleast be more exciting to watch!! Hey I’m into bringing up OF Bo Davidson to get his feet wet..

  16. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck says:

    FWIW, the Giants are 63-99 since the trade.

    Ouch.

    • willedav's avatar willedav says:

      As James mentioned, Devers OPS with Giants over 162 games and 616 ABs is .760. Career with Boston it was .859. He’s actually done well enough at home here, but both OB and Slugging off significantly, despite great May he had. Interesting to see Eldridge getting some run at 1b.

  17. willedav's avatar willedav says:

    Rosenthal column in TA highlights part of the problem of Giants making trades: with Webb off the table (given pitching woes totally understandable) other than Arraez who is there of any value likely to bring back much? Ray has been awful and is owed rest of $25 mil for this year.

  18. xoot's avatar xoot says:

    Vamos Ramos. Ahorita.

  19. xoot's avatar xoot says:

    Vitello looks inept, doesn’t he? Everything from the weird LUs and pen moves to allowing meathead Roupp to wear that defiant hat. Sending Winn out three days in a row fits. (Note: Winn then took five days off but still felt elbow soreness when he tried to play catch. Thus, the belated IL.) Favorite pet Gilbert gleefully fucking the air in CF to celebrate his own mediocrity sort of sums it up.

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