The First Win of the Christian Ponder Era!

For a guy who stepped off the plane after painting his house, not a bad start for Ponder. Sure it was against the Walmart Brigade, but it still had to give Gabby some shivers. Throw in the fact that Kaepernick was throwing 50-60 yard passes yesterday suddenly puts the QB battle on the front burner.

While this really doesn’t mean squat, unless QB battles mean anything (and they do) at least Gabby looked better yesterday than the other day. He still has the maddening habit of throwing for 5 yards on 3rd and 7, but this is the dink and dunk offense. Again the run game looked pretty solid, as did the line blocking. D Ware wasn’t playing, so there was that, but the takeaway from this game is much like last week.

The line play on both sides appears to be in much better shape than last year. Or even 2 years ago. The 1st and 2nd O lines did very well as Gabby wasn’t sacked, and I don’t think Driskel was either. Even he looked much more settled than last week. My onl;y concern offesnvely is the lack of passes to the WRs. Something we didn’t see till Ponder came in.

Defensively the first 2 lines played well enough, and this was without Armstead or Buckner, the bookend Ducks. The DBs were solid down the line, and except for a blown coverage on the Brooks blitz to a wide open TE, the LBs on the 1st and 2nd string were active and hitting. The defense didn’t give up many big plays, but that first drive was kind of easy.

So, it reality, despite the fact that these games are meaningless, I don’t think this team is as bad as everyone is making them out to be. I tell you one thing, John Elway didn’t get ANY sleep last night. Siemen threw a pick 6 on a fairly easy read/bait by Eric Reid. Mark Sanchez tried to re-enact his butt fumble a couple times, and Paxton Lynch got into the act by overthrowing for a pick. None of these guys look very good. Sanchez may get cut in a couple weeks.

Hey, maybe we can trade Ponder for Ware . . .

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100 Responses to The First Win of the Christian Ponder Era!

  1. NJ49er says:

    Unrelated to your topic Chuck, but I just posted it to the last thread before I saw you had this one rolled out –

    Not sure if this was discussed here recently but, Mr Pick Magnet better start working on prison locks.
    He’s gonna be there for a LONG while.
    Douchebag…..

    http://tinyurl.com/z7lm2w5

  2. NJ49er says:

    Better news was the accolades bestowed on TBrown for stoning Von Miller.
    Not a bad start for a 6’8″/355lb behemoth against a small/speedy edge terror.
    AD better get used to the RG experiment if he wants a starting OL job.

    • 12th man says:

      Brown is athletic enough for LT IMO.

      • NJ49er says:

        Sweet feet and a long wingspan 12th.
        Certainly could happen in due time.
        Kick AD inside if necessary.
        Extend him if possible at OG prices too.
        AD and Garnett on either side of Kilgore ain’t such a bad compromise IMO.
        AD has the disposition required in the run game to fare just fine inside.

      • NJ49er says:

        I’m very impressed with TBrown’s feet for a guy his size.
        Personifies that age old axiom, ‘Dancing Bear’ to a tee.
        I also think AD realizes how good this kid is.
        His hiatus may have cost him OT money in hindsight.

      • 12th man says:

        So far Brown has shown as much talent as AD and he is still learning the position. I don’t see AD taking RT. He was smart to offer to play RG. The line should be Staley Garnett Kilgore Davis and Brown and they have very good depth too. Worlds away from last years line.
        Running game should do well, now if they can just figure out QB, but I have to say I’m not a fan of Gabbert so far. He plays too safe and won’t or can’t take risks when the game dictates he should. Alex Smith redux.

      • NJ49er says:

        Kaep better get himself into this battle this week 12th.
        Only redeeming quality I see with Gabbert is that he’s getting production from VMcD.
        I had read some suggestions that VMcD was having trouble handling the Kaep fastballs.
        We’ll see soon enough I guess?
        Also..
        What a coup, if Baalke can replace a former 1st RD RT with a bargain basement pickup like TBrown too.
        Puts AD into another salary range with little to no leverage on his behalf.

      • 12th man says:

        Unless Kap does something amazing, like his first start in Chicago, I don’t see him beating out Gabbert. Not enough time. In reality there is only this week and the GB game Friday, after that they won’t want to split starting reps.

  3. Nipper says:

    For a practice game last night’s game wasn’t bad. I watched until the end which I seldom do anymore. I must ponder what this means.

  4. Berger says:

    Brown stoning Von Miller was significant. Pears is probably gone. Lemoneir is on thin ice.

    To say Davis was player of the game last week, which I read from more than one person, is to say running through huge holes is difficult. Our O-line was dominant last week. This week it looked good, just not dominant. These were both good defenses so it is very encouraging.

    • NJ49er says:

      Ball security is going to weigh heavily with Rathman as well.
      Not only does he expect his RBs to block, they’d better secure the ball as well.

  5. Winder says:

    Next week’s game should tell us a lot more. Of course I don’t know the chipster’s philosophy on who plays or for how long. Seems to me that there are battles at every position at this point and that is a good thing.

  6. Berger says:

    DT Garrison Smith sure looked good again. This guy is rising from nowhere. Purcell should be noticing. And 5th rounder Blair looks like the real deal!

    • Winder says:

      That’s exactly what this team needs, some young players that just want to pound the opposition. I am not a fan of Baalky’s but he does on occasion find some good D plays in the later rounds.

      • Berger says:

        I’ve noticed you don’t like Baalke. You are entitled to your opinion. I just disagree. I think Baalke is doing a good job. Harbaugh was a good coach but incredibly disruptive. Baalke has stayed steady through it all. I think this team might surprise you this year.

  7. Berger says:

    I have a friend who played QB in the NFL. I explained the Sardine Can Offense to him. He liked the description but said the OC’s probably wouldn’t! LOL!

    One thing is for sure, Chip does not run the SCO.

  8. unca_chuck says:

    Well the big is fight is at QB. I’d think Kappy gets a good chunk of the 1st half on Friday if not all of it. Ponder can get the ones next Thurs.

  9. Berger says:

    From what I can tell, the only two blogging fans who like Baalke are NJ49er and me.

    • NJ49er says:

      He’s got his weaknesses Berger, specifically on Offense.
      I just don’t know how the guy functioned with the likes of Paraag hanging over his shoulder.
      Need I beat the table regarding the Gase hiring efforts? Sheesh.
      Just hoping he and Chip can play to their collective strengths and get along for the sake of the roster.

      • NJ49er says:

        Baalke is straight outta the Parcells Camp.
        Run.
        Play Defense.
        Keep it close enough to win tight games with a QB that doesn’t hurt your chances.
        Phil Simms.
        Jeff Hostettler.
        Need I say more?

    • Berger says:

      It looks like the O-line has been sufficiently rebuilt. I think this organization has been stuck on SCO coaches for too long. Most spread coaches are pass happy. Chip is what I like for a running coach. He gambles too much for my liking but I guess I’ll just have to live with that.

      On defense we look good all around if we can get a pass rush. Looks like we might even have that.

      IMO, Baalke has managed the Harbaugh attempted coup and roster purge professionally and intelligently. I expect we are on the upswing right now and even have enough talent to be a winning team.

      As you know well NJ, I do not go with the crowd to be accepted like most people do. Too many wrong people get hung by the hanging posse. My problem with Baalke is not getting the right WRs. But with the job he is doing at O-line it is just another where I can live with that.

      • Berger says:

        BTW- With the SCO offenses we’ve been running for so many years we could’ve had Jerry Rice in his prime and he would’ve just been another WR.

      • Winder says:

        Not sure who is going along with the crowd to be excepted but it certainly isn’t me. I don’t like Baalky because of his draft record and that is it. His overall drafts have sucked in my opinion. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes with the FO but even with destractions he’s responsible for the players on the squad. This year he got lucky and Buckner fell into his lap. That was a no brainer. But, I respect your opinion too, after all we are Niner fans

      • Berger says:

        Winder, the hanging posse is all over Baalke. He completely missed in 12 but look at the drafts since. 6 of the top 7 from ’13 are still on the team and most are important players. 8 players from ’14 including Ward, Hyde and Lynch. 2015 is looking good, especially taking Trent Brown in rd 7. I’m sorry you don’t like those picks but I’m not complaining.

      • Winder says:

        berger- I do like some them, I think Tartt should be on that list too. Hyde might just turn out to be good but so far he hasn’t done squat. Same with Brown he looks like he’s coming along faster that most and hopefully he will pan out. There is a reason some of this years drafts look far better that the last few and that’s because they are pretty much stiffs and anyone who shows some gumption looks good. I honestly hope they all pan out.

  10. Lurker John says:

    Berger, from yesterday, I would love to see Rush step up and replace Lemonier, who’s been nothing but dead weight since the Niners drafted him. I’m hoping, and actually confident, that Kelly will be the guy who finally starts trimming the fat from this roster. I won’t be able to watch this game until the rerun later today, but the roster has talent, now it’s time to coach them up and mold them into a winning team, as the U.S. men utterly destroys Serbia for the hoops gold. What a mismatch.

    GO NINERS!

    • Berger says:

      I did not pay attention to Rush against the run. Maybe he is good there? One thing is for sure, he can get after the QB. If all he turns out to be is a situational pass rusher then that is a valuable piece. See Dean, Fred.

  11. Lurker John says:

    Berger, I think the most impressive thing about Davis last week was not he had big holes to run through, but that his quickness and explosion into and out of his cuts was clearly better than last year. He looked like a legit NFL back. We’ll see how it plays out, but it’s encouraging and shows that he takes this shit seriously and that he put a lot of work in this off season.

    • Berger says:

      I was not trying to diminish Davis’s running and I even agree that your assessment is correct. I was trying to say the emphasis should’ve been on the holes the O-line was opening. They were huge. It’s just my opinion that when the holes are that big the RB is just doing his job.

  12. Lurker John says:

    NJ, I agree that Kap needs to get in there and start practicing and playing. As of right now, with just a few weeks left until the regular season, Gabbert is already the starter, imo. Kap may overhaul him at some point, but you all know coaches hate playing guys who aren’t practicing. Gabbert’s been there since the OTA’s, which gives him a leg up. Bottom line, it’s going to be tough sledding early while everything gets going and the staff continues to tweak who fits best and where. New systems are being put into place. All of it takes time, but I, for one, am excited about football coming back.

    GO NINERS!

  13. Winder says:

    Not sure if the Chipster is going to show much of his game plan in the preseason. However, last two games were more entertaining than most of last year. The players look like they have bought into the new system and I think a healthy Kappy is just what is needed. I am gonna have to start drafting the Niners D in my FF leagues.

    • Berger says:

      There isn’t a lot to Chip’s offense. I keep reading blog experts calling it a gadget offense. If you have read my responses over the last couple of years I keep saying there is nothing special to his offense. He spreads out the defense, has different keys on each play and the players read them.

      Mostly it is a basic run offense using spread formations. The QB can change it to a pass play pre or post snap. We have already seen most of it. The beauty is the ability to change a play in the middle of a play. The QB can literally read to keep the ball and then see a receiver wide open and throw instead. Because of the zone blocking a lineman should not be downfield. It’s like being able to audible after the play has started. It keeps the defense guessing.

  14. unca_chuck says:

    Baalke’s drafts are here for all to see. I think he outsmarts himself too much and drafts too far to the future, and tries to get cute other times. He has done little to nothing for the offense. The drafting of injured players has not worked for him. The amount of draft choices he’s had and who has panne out isn’t very good. We’ve needed WR help for years yet pass on many guys they could have drafted. Keenan Allen being a large miss they. Or have had in the 2nd or 3rd round.

    Baalke is a great wheeler dealer and I like some of the picks, but I think he’s missed on a lot of picks with odd punter choices and all the injured risks he’s taken. This last draft actually made sense. Something the last couple didn’t.

    • Lurker John says:

      I agree, Chuck, the injured draft picks strategy hasn’t worked out. It may look good on paper, but it just hasn’t panned out on the field. Hopefully Tank can find his groove and become a solid player, but if an injured guy doesn’t work out, it just turns into a wasted pick. Things are too tight in this league to waste picks.

      As for wideout, that’s just baffling. Since the A.J. Jenkins debacle, Baalke hasn’t really even tried to get a guy in the first 3 rounds or so. It’s still the most glaring need on offense, imo. Some of the young guys stepping up would be a welcome development. I still think Flipper Anderson’s kid has the pedigree to be a good one. He’s super athletic and not intimidated by the NFL game.

  15. unca_chuck says:

    The bar is still pretty low for Kaepernick to pass Gabbert. And I think Kappy gets the whole first half on Friday.

  16. unca_chuck says:

    They are showing the game over on NFL. Bethea looked awful early.

  17. Lurker John says:

    There wasn’t much to Vince Lombardi’s offenses either. Great running game, conservative passing game. But, as he said time and time again, it’s all about the execution. He hammered his players with that mantra and it resulted in 5 championships. The simplest plays, executed well, will be successful.

    I’m not trying to lump Kelly in with the great Lombardi, but if he can get his guys to play fundamentally sound and execute well, this team has enough talent to make things interesting this year. Those two things were sorely lacking in 2015. It’s hard to imagine Kelly not getting the team to play with more energy and better fundamentals.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    It is all about the lines. This is why I’m encouraged.

    • Lurker John says:

      I’m watching the Broncos game right now, and I agree about Brown. Really quick and light on his feet for a guy who’s basically a mountain. The o-line is going to surprise some people.

      • 12th man says:

        Don’t see AD as being significantly better than Brown and the kid is improving.

      • Lurker John says:

        I think we’ll be seeing the line with AD at guard and Brown at RT. From what I’ve read, it was Davis who approached Kelly about playing guard anyway, so he’s definitely on board with the move. He’s got a nasty streak, too, which is perfect for the guard position.

  19. 12th man says:

    Chip singled out Smith and Rush as players that had a “very, very, very good game”

  20. Lurker John says:

    Rush is a serious motor guy. That alone should give him the strong edge over Lemonier, who often appears like he doesn’t give a shit. Rush should’ve had 4 sacks, but Lynch stepped out of that last one.

  21. unca_chuck says:

    Yeah, Lemonier has been a non-entity his whole career. Good to see guys like him and Pears (who looked terrible vs the 3rd string) getting pushed out the door.

    Has Garnett even played yet?

  22. NJ49er says:

    Berger we’re all 9er fans here.
    Having an opinion on how we see things is part of being a Fan.
    I’ve always appreciated the process a GM has to fulfill when 31 other GMs are shopping for similar talent.
    No GM bats 1.000, not even .500.
    What has to happen, IMO, is to get the pieces that fit a specific plan, Coach them up and, have sufficient depth to protect against injuries.
    No small task.
    I’m fine with the adage of Drafting to the future, especially in the Salary Cap era.
    Like College, certain positions will turnover within a 4yr period regardless of age.
    Injury factors probably take the heaviest toll.

    • NJ49er says:

      What Baalke has done with some of these ‘ACL Guys’ is simply rolled the dice on rehab.
      Each Draftee is graded by Scouts and Team Docs.
      If you’re sufficiently stocked at a position in any given year to afford a rehab gamble on a guy graded higher with a rehab stint in front of him, I can see the attraction.
      Baalke has made a habit of making OL/RB Picks in almost every Draft he’s run.
      The biggest ACL gamble might have been Marcus Lattimore, simply because he was a RB.
      But, we can’t discount what Frank did to beat the odds either.
      Right now, our D is young and hungry.
      The OL is improving and, once we find the right ingredients at QB and WR we might be sitting pretty for the next 5+ years.

  23. NJ49er says:

    As Parcells infamously quipped years ago, regarding ‘buying the groceries’, the GM and HC need to communicate on what the roster vision is going to be.
    Whether Paraag muddled the relationship with Harbaugh and Baalke is open for debate.
    Especially when it had been reported that Baalke recruited him.
    I just hope all this FO interference is a thing of the past.
    Baalke and Chip need to have a relationship that favors each others’ strengths.
    IF that can happen, we stand a good chance of being successful in the coming years.
    All I’m asking for is ‘quiet, if not invisible’ Ownership.
    Chip knows what he wants from the Offense and, should have the latitude to shop for his ‘groceries’ on that side of the ball.
    I’m OK with what Baalke has in mind on Defense, which I believe is more in line with his strengths.
    He’s continually brought in competition at every position. He’s not afraid of making guys earn a job.
    A guy like Lemonier has been pushed, and will continue to be pushed, until a better option emerges.
    That could be Rush, Harold or Tank, as it looks now.
    Even the DBs and WRs are deep and competitive, which is how it should be.

  24. Berger says:

    Dial was another who was hurt and couldn’t play right away. What you get is a guy who should’ve been drafted 2 or 3 rounds earlier if you want to take the chance and wait a while to heal. I remember it working with Kevin Fagan and Frank Gore. We are about to see if it works with Smelter. Lately it has worked with Tank and Dial.Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. I have no problem with it. If I guy falls to you that you like take him. No guarantee that kind of player falls to you the next year. Healthy players are a 50/50 chance at best. So if only half the injured players work out what’s the difference.

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s football.
      Much has been debated regarding the ‘wasted’ Picks Baalke has made.
      A wasted Pick is a gut like Aldon who was an immediate Starter that ‘wasted’ his talent by not taking his career seriously.
      He’s just another example of how the GM role is full of pitfalls that can’t be measured at The Combine or Scouted on film.
      Give me a 4th/5th RD OLman, who has something to prove, over any top 10 prima dona any day.
      The Rookie Cap was long overdue IMO.
      More Picks is the way to play it.
      Too many guys just can’t cut it in the NFL.
      If you Want it. Earn it.
      Pretty simple.

      • NJ49er says:

        Guy like Aldon. Not gut.

      • Lurker John says:

        Aldon did, however, have several hall of fame type years, so it wasn’t a complete waste of a pick. As much as I loved Lattimore, his pick was a waste simply due to the severity of his injury. Great guy, great talent, but even modern medicine couldn’t bring him all the way back.

  25. NJ49er says:

    Look what Bowman came back from.
    Whether Brandon Thomas ‘wants it’ is up to him.
    Baalke gave him a shot to earn it, maybe with an eye toward to replacing Iupati at the time?
    Up to him to make the most of the opportunity.
    Which is part of my skepticism with Kaep.
    If he ‘wants it’, Gabbert is the only guy standing in his path.
    Get in there and take it from him.
    As we know, Bowman has earned it, while also replacing Patrick as the leader.
    He too, came at a bargain 3rd RD price.
    Another reason to appreciate what TBrown is doing to hold off former 1st RDer AD.
    Compete and, prove yourself.

    • Berger says:

      Bowman is a great example. He fell because he got into two fights at Penn St. He was a character risk, just like Aaron Lynch who also fell because he was a character risk. We would have two holes in the line up without those two. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

      • NJ49er says:

        I like our chances with guys that have something to prove and, who want to take advantage of their opportunities.
        I’ll give AD the benefit of the doubt when it came to health concerns.
        At least he’s making the effort to get himself back into the game.

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Be that as it may comparing a 5 th round flier in Lynch to Smith is apples to oranges. A little easier to risk a5th round pick (hey a punter!) rather than a high first rounder like Aldon was. The stories around Aldon were out there as well.

    And it isn’t as if I think he’s missed all his picks. My problem is his inability to help the offense. If Harbaugh,the guy he apparently was hired to bring in, couldn’t help decide how to build the offense, then whose fault is it? If Baalke cant draft offensive players on his own, who does he trust to give him help? Paraag? Seriously? Baalke put Paraag between him and Harbaugh?

    I’ll neve know what’s going on in there at 4949 Centennial but I thin Eddie had it right on2910 when he said there were too many people involved in the decision makng process. Like we been saying the only hope is that the top brass isn’t mucking and fuckng the team up and meddling where they shouldn’t be.

    • NJ49er says:

      That’s my gripe Chuck.
      Baalke doesn’t/didn’t need Paraag to handle football decisions.
      IMO, Paraag muddled up the process with the apparent ‘Moneyball’ tactics.
      No way do I believe Paraag was there at Baalkes’ request.
      If anything, logic would suggest Paraag was put there by Dr Daddy as his ‘Money Mgr’.
      Baalke was instrumental, if not directly responsible, for bring Harbaugh aboard.
      Where/how that relationship deteriorated is the crux of the debate.
      I’m leaning toward Paraag being said ‘Rat’ that interfered with the personnel decisions that should have been carried out between Harbaugh and Baalke.
      As to the point of taking chances on Picks.
      I’d feel much more comfortable as GM spending a few Mid-Late RD Picks on guys like Lynch/Pinion/BMiller etc to see what can be developed in terms of production.
      Look what Tampa Bay did this year with (PK) Roberto Aguayo.
      Traded away Picks to move UP in RD2 for a PK.
      That was a bone-headed move no matter how desperately your kicking game sucked.
      Pinion could easily have been a gratuitous Pick to allow Andy Lee the opportunity to relocate his family due to the painful experience of losing a child too?
      Hard to know from what we’ve been made aware of certainly.
      Baalke, like Parcells, simply needed to have the GM/HC relationship to find those pieces needed on Offense.
      Again, meddling non-football Ownership pressure is what I contend added the fuel to this dumpster fire of micro-mgt we’ve endured.

      • NJ49er says:

        Baalke is a conservative GM, which is fine as long a his working relationship with the HC/Coaching Staff is on board, working together on what is considered a common goal.
        You can’t have Ownership dictating terms with stats and/or Cap limitations.
        Gathering Picks is ‘free money’ in terms of Rookies, as their Contracts are slotted and easily budgeted for.
        I’m just praying that they’ve learned their lessons with Harbaugh/Tomsula and, let Chip handle Offensive decisions on personnel matters.
        I don’t think Baalke would butt heads with him on that topic.
        Been my belief that Baalke wanted Gase for the very same reason.
        He needs an Offensive guy to assist him.

  27. NJ49er says:

    Look what Danny Snyder did to his franchise with RG III.
    He was solely responsible for creating all the dysfunction around Shanny while killing his future with all the Picks he gave to StLoo.
    Our situation isn’t vastly different if we consider the possibility that Paraag didn’t get along with Harbaugh and/or Kaep.
    Once there’s a wedge driven between the ‘football guys’, everything comes unhinged.
    Dany made RG III his personal pet of sorts.
    Shanny was neutered in the process.
    I firmly believe Baalke was ‘snipped’ in similar fashion by a FO that doesn’t know it’s A$$ from a hole in the ground, in terms of running an NFL roster.
    Paraag’s worth is negotiating Contracts.
    He’s got no business dabbling in Personnel decisions IMO.

  28. Winder says:

    love this stuff

  29. NJ49er says:

    How about a little Bo Diddley and Friends?

  30. Nipper says:

    In conclusion: We all are hungry for a winner!

  31. unca_chuck says:

    If Paraag is the building whisperer, why isn’t anyone past or present talking about it? I find it hard to fathom that someone came in and poisoned Harbaugh and Baalke’s working relationship. I think they managed that all by themselves. Then again, I have no idea why Jed would tell Adam Gase that he has to keep Tomsula if he wants the HC job. Gase has no HC experience, but not being able to build your own staff is ludicrous.

    None of this shit makes any fucking sense. Of all the bullshit that has gone on, this one move baffles me to no end.

    The annoying part is we may be on to something here with Kelly. I don’t know. Justg don’t want to see a repeat of the last clusterfuck.

  32. rtfirefly says:

    I managed to miss the first two weeks of football, so I don’t have anything more on the Niners at this time, but I had to comment:

    1) Nick Foles was picked up by Andy Reid. I like Foles from his time in Philly, so I didn’t think it would take long;

    2) Poor, poor Kellen Moore of Boise State. After rotting at third string on the Lions, he finally gets a chance behind a made-of-crystal Romo. So what? He breaks his leg and the Cowboys new pickup looks like the best drafted QB so far.

    3) Mark Sanchez has already played himself off of the Broncos starting team. He may even sink to #3. LOL – only a matter of time before Gabbert joins him on the NFL bench.

  33. unca_chuck says:

    Dak? Dax? Prescott looks pretty good for little d so far. Although this is preseaosn.

    Yeah, I’m very interested in Friday’s game vs the Packers. The hope is Kappy can play well and move up to the starting role before the season starts.

    I’d put Kappy in through the whole 1st quarter and a half, and let Ponder play with the ones some as well. We’ve seen enough of what Gabbert brings. Maybe he falls to 3rd as well.

    • Winder says:

      I hope Kappy does well too. Maybe If Ponder can get the kinks out and have football be fun again, we just might have something there.

  34. Flavor says:

    I just watched a very cool compilation of Shane Skov’s career at Stanford. I won’t post it here because no one here gives a shit about Skov. But he was one of my favorite players EVER in college. And in the pros, nothing, nearly worthless. He’s a classic example of how big the diff is between NCAA and NFL. Ponder likely isn’t even going to make the team…….

  35. unca_chuck says:

    Skov’s a ST guy. he’ll probably make the team. He’s doing better than 90% of the rest of the college guys that don’t stick so there’s that.

  36. NJ49er says:

    Chuck the Paraag ‘factor’ is a direct link to Dr Daddy IMO.
    He was assigned by Daddy to handle the finances.
    IOW, he was the eyes/ears of Daddy.
    I can see a scenario, whereby Paraag got too involved with ‘football’ business, and rubbed Harbaugh the wrong way.
    No secret that Paraag was unhappy with Kaep’s PR image as well.
    Point I’ve been trying to make is, the non-football guys micro-managed themselves into a full blown franchise dumpster fire.
    Paraag being ‘reassigned’ might have been their way of getting him away from GM/HC relationship going forward?
    Let’s hope so anyway.

    • Lurker John says:

      On paper, Kelly and Baalke look like a good pairing, one good with defense the other with offense. Let’s see if they can make it work.

      Kap made his own bed in so many ways the past couple of years with his prima donna attitude and surly disposition. I hope he’s matured enough to set that shit aside, because he has a lot to prove right now. Some guys thrive in that situation, others not so much. The ball’s in your court, Kap.

  37. Nipper says:

    Go Team!

  38. Lurker John says:

    The beauty of the NFL is that it’s one of the last bastions of pure competition left in the sports world. The cream will rise and will always be rewarded with a spot on the roster. Nobody is guaranteed squat. The fierce level of play, both in camp and during the season, is quite the spectacle. Competition is what made this country great, and its potential demise may signal the downturn of our lofty position in international affairs.

    Be that as it may, the very reason the NFL is great spectacle is due to the requirement that all players compete to win a job. Outside of a few cases, like established all-pro vets and QB’s, etc, each player has to prove himself every week. Even those aforementioned vets would be on the block if their performance started to drop. The next hot guy is ALWAYS waiting in the wings.

    The Bronco’s broadcasters were calling the replay of Saturday’s game on the NFL network and the question came up as to whether Kelly was a viable NFL coach. The color guy gave a response that I liked. He said that Kelly definitely was a legit NFL coach, IF he learns from the mistakes he made in Philly. That’s a good point and Kelly touched on that point when he was first hired. At the least, I believe he will try his best to learn from those mistakes, at least as he sees them. The color guy went on to list a few coaches that were in the same situation after being canned, including notable guys like Belichick, Shanahan and Vermeil, all 3 of whom went on to win Super Bowls after getting fired.

    So, we’ll see moving forward. The biggest thing I came away with from this game, and the first for that matter, was the energy and physicality the Niners played with. They spent a lot of time in Denver’s backfield on defense and consistently moved the ball on offense and they played hard the whole game. A far cry from last year. Setting aside the whole, “It’s preseason” mantra, that’s a good sign to me. Effort, drive and desire can take a team a long way in this league. Throw in some well-coached talent, et voila, you just might have something.

  39. Lurker John says:

    Ponder definitely looks like a real back up QB. He brings some things to the table and he’s a playmaker. The problem is that there’s 4 QB’s in camp right now and I doubt Driskel gets cut if he keeps showing progress. Maybe he ends up on the practice squad. If Kap was to not win the starting QB job, would he be content with being a backup? It didn’t seem so last year. Ponder would be content there, because he was out of football 2 weeks ago. Something will have to give and it’ll probably be Ponder that goes in the end, but his presence and good game Saturday does throw some peppers into the whole thing and puts pressure on both of the front-runners.

    Interesting that all four of these QB’s are good running the football. For a big guy, Driskel looks pretty quick and agile.

  40. unca_chuck says:

    Competition only goes so far when you add in the contracts these clowns throw around. Houston is a prime example. They signed Brock Osweiler to a 4 year/$72 mill deal. However, Tom Savage, the 4th round pick from 2014, has outplayed him badly all preseason. Will they switch after that huge investment? Doubtful. Osweiler will have to crash and burn pretty hard before they pull the plug. And this is a nearly foregone conclusion. That was a horrible signing.

    • Lurker John says:

      Yes, I mentioned some guys will have a leg up, but nowhere near like it is in baseball or basketball where a guy’s getting paid no matter what. For the vast majority of guys it’s perform or be gone. I don’t know what Houston saw in Osweiler, maybe he had some good games against them? He wasn’t even that good in Denver.

    • unca_chuck says:

      Yeah, football and guaranteed contracts is a new thing. I just find it funny that national pundits still expect Kaepernick to be cut. Like we’d wait until after his contract is payable to cut him.

      In reality, Kaepernick has one option, and that is to do his best where he is. He isn’t going to sit the year holding a clipboard like RG III did.

  41. rtfirefly says:

    Tomsula out, Kelly in. If and when Kap is healthy, he’ll be playing. Remember playing for a new coach to replace the idjut you played for the previous year?

  42. Berger says:

    Gabbert hasn’t done anything special but he hasn’t crashed and burned either. I think his decision making has been OK. He’s had a clean pocket to throw from so he absolutely should look decent. Kap is going to really need to do something special to gain the starting QB position in game 1. Driskel goes to the PS and with another good showing by Ponder he possibly makes the team. One possible scenario is Kap has a great game in his show case and gets traded within the first few games. I’m not predicting, I’m just sayin’.

    • Winder says:

      Berger- I believe Chipsters offense will work much better with Kappy. I think they need each other to have a decent year. Playing it safe isn’t gonna work defenses will just sit back and give gabby his 3 or 4 yards everytime.

      • Berger says:

        It depends how good the defense is and if he continues to get a clean pocket. Kap never got a clean pocket top throw out of last year. Near the end of the year Tiller and Brown were starting and Gabs started to look OK. For me, too many variables right now to predict anything.

  43. unca_chuck says:

    My problem with Gabbert is what pissed me off last year with Gabbert. 3rd and 8 he throws a 4 yard check down pass and forces the receiver to break 3 tackles to get the 1st down. He did it again a couple times last week.

    Either buy more time and throw it somewhere else or run. Granted this is predicated on routes, how much running room, etc. but over and over he does this. Like he’s more interested in keeping his numbers up rather than getting 1st downs.

    I’m sure it ain’t that, but so many people last year were jizzing over his wonderful numbers when in reality he wasn’t moving the chains any more effectively than Kappy.

    I tell you one thing, if Sanchez and Siemien keep playing like they did, Elway will knuckle under to Baalke’s trade demands. I don’t really want it to happen, but Elway is watching his season slip away before it starts. It was funny listening to the Denver announcers doing the game. Siemen got all these glowing reviews until the pick 6, then they were waxing poetic about Sanchez until he fumbled his way to halftime. When they saw Lynch’s pick, they were worried.

    • Lurker John says:

      LOL, that’s right, they dropped that boy like a hot potato after the pick 6. Up until then he was headed to the Hall.

  44. unca_chuck says:

    Nice to have line depth. Instead of Pears.

    • NJ49er says:

      Pears wasn’t brought in last year to be an OT.
      AD’s late decision to sit out screwed the pooch.
      Pears was seen as an OG until AD walked away.
      Baalke has quite a lot of competition going on the OL now.
      Weaklings will be replaced in a couple of weeks.

  45. Nipper says:

    GO TEAM! NO TO WEAKLINGS!

  46. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up.

  47. Irish Kevin says:

    This year is going to be just like last year, extreme highs and lows. As long as everyone does not have to high expectations it will be fun. Super Bowls are no longer easy to get to, much less win.

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