Aftermath

Paint it black, stupid girl. I’m high and dry. You are under my thumb, so doncha bother me. Well, the flurry of craziness around the draft is over, and the wait for the meaning of football life once again goes into hibernation mode. So, the only thing to do is debate the selections. Here’s the list of players the Niners took.

1 (1st round) Reid, Eric FS
2 (2nd) Carradine, Tank DE
3 (2nd) McDonald, Vance TE
4 (3rd) Lemonier, Corey DE
5 (4th) Patton, General WR
6 (4th) Lattimore, Marcus RB
7 (5th) Dial, Quinton DE
8 (6th) Moody, Nick OLB
9 (7th) Daniels, BJ QB
10 (7th) Bykowski, Carter OT
11 (7th) Cooper, Marcus CB

UDFAs include last place finisher in the Olympic discus toss, Lawrence Okoye; and Luke Marquart, a converted TE-to-lineman who is raw. Both these guys got aome amount of coverage as being anywhere from 3 to 7th rounders in the draft, and both are seen as projects with strong upsides.

So, the practice squad at the least looks to be replaced entirely. I really didn’t think they’d draft 13 guys, But I didn’t think they’d draft 11 either. As NJ pointed out (I think) though, the Niners already have 10 selections slated for next year. They can’t very well pack next year’s draft too heavily without missing out on some players this year. Plus, the last three guys are fringe at best anyway. And Marcus Lattimore will not see the field this season, and the jury is out on Tank Carradine as well. The team has told him to ease off on his intense rehab. In essence saying he has time to recover, don’t push it too hard. So that means there’s a little flexibility in teh decisions these guys make regarding who goes and stays.

All in all, I think they did about as good as they could have. Quibble about the players as you will, they addressed their needs with players they feel fit their system (Reid, Tank, Patton), can be coached up (Vance, Lenomier), or were added for depth (Lattimore, Dial, Okoye, Marquart). The casualties in all this appear to be Cam Johnson, Darius Fleming, Dan Skula, Michael Whlhoite, among a few others. Scott Tolzein will be in a fight with BJ Daniels for the 3-spot in the QB depth chart. BJ is more in line with the new direction of the 49ers QB situation, so the more Smithlike Tolzein may be eased out/traded. The thought being that these guys don’t pass up Colt McCoy as the 2 guy.

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57 Responses to Aftermath

  1. unca_chuck says:

    Like my Rolling Stones tribute? Far be it from me to see them again though. I saw then in 1978 and they sucked badly. Almost as bad as Aerosmith that year. Not gunna do it. The Steel Wheelchair tour, indeed.

    Anyhow, the general concensus is the Niners pretty much nailed this draft. They got immediate help at positions where they lost players (Reid for Goldson, Vance for Walker), they added depth to their D line (adding Tank, Lemonier, and Dial), they added a solid WR in Patton, and drafted a hopeful successor to Farnk Gore in Marcus Lattimore.

    Unfortunately for the Niners, AZ and StL did pretty well in their own right in the draft. AZ went straight to their porous O line by drafting Jonathan Cooper in the 1st round, and hard hitting ILB from LSU, Kevin Minter in the 2nd. They also took the chance of signing another LSU alum in Honey Badger, Tyrann Mathieu. Whether that’s enough to keep Carson Palmer upright remains to be seen, but I thik they are still a year away from making too much serious noise.

    StL however traded up big and got a major weapon in Tavon Austin, the speedburner from W Va. They then traded down and still got speedy OLB Alec Ogletree from Ga, thus shoring up their linebacker corps. In the 3rd round they got T.J. McDonald, SS, USC to further strengthen their D, and another fast WR in Steadmen Bailey.

    Seattle? They were in a similar situation to the Niners in they didn’t have a lot of holes to fill. They of course traded their 1st round pick to Minn for Percy Harvin, so I guess that counts as their 1st round pick. Christine Michael was a curious pick at RB. A fix-it project for Pete as he’s had a checkered past to say the least, I suppose. They added D line depth with Jordan Hill and the yo-yoing-up-and-down-the-draft-board Jesse Williams. Seeing as how last year’s draft went for them, hey they bought themselves some rope.

    Granted, these drafts are impossible to rate when no one has played a down. I mean who had QBs Kappy and Russell Wilson being NFL starters at this point? Maybe Kappy (by now), but certainly not Russell Wilson. It’s all a game on paper at this point, but hey at least we’re not Dallas. Our UDFA draft looks better than their entire board.

  2. Winder says:

    Good stuff with the Stones shit. I wouldn’t pay to see them now either. Way to old for the rose pedals. We got some real good potential in this draft and all we can do now is wait and see how it comes out. With medical science the way it is now taking a couple of flyers on players is not the gamble it used to be. I really hope they both work out for us.

  3. barleyfreak says:

    My gut says that this draft will go down as a very, very good one. I too was hoping they could parlay some picks into future picks, and not even in 2014, but 2015. But I also conceded that it might be difficult to do so with so many mid to late rounders, and comp picks (untradable) to boot.

    .

    Meanwhile, sometimes one stumbles on a sports article that is a genuine pleasure to read. We are lucky to have such profound hate of the Cowboys and be gifted each year with Jerrah as the GM. He is indeed the gift that keeps on giving. Good times.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9221310/nfl-draft-jerry-jones-stunting-dallas-progress

  4. Nipper says:

    You guys are too happy! Where’s Dennis? At least I can relate to him.

  5. snarkk says:

    Good summary, Chuck. They filled for immediate need, got some DL bench strength, got another WR that should light a fire under Jenkins unless he has an asbestos ass, drafted for the future with Lattimore, and even got an extra 3rd rounder for next year (last I heard, anyway). You can quibble with the selections, but like you said, let’s see ‘em play before we start criticizing, or praising. Looks like Baalke knows how to work the phones, that’s for sure. Those picks were flying up and down for a while like ping pong balls…

  6. unca_chuck says:

    Great article barley. One of the highlights of the draft was when they showed the Dallas war room after the 1st round pick, and Garrett covered his face with his hands. Jerry’s son Stephen was in the background shaking his head. Thank God they (and we) have him wating in the wings after his father leaves this mortal coil.

    Can you say dynasty? Or dy nasty? They are in some serious stink mode for tha next 20 years.

    • NJ49er says:

      Jerruh and Donald Trump.
      2 mega millionaire morons.
      It’s all about deal making for them.
      Clueless otherwise.

      I love the Dallas War Room shots.
      Jerruh and Butt Kissers.
      He did us a solid however. Thx Jerruh, hope Travis Frederick enjoys the payday.

  7. Grumpy Guy says:

    Off-season recap to date. Did I miss anything?

    Free Agents Signed:

    3/13 – DT Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City
    3/14- LB Dan Skuta, Cincinnati
    3/16 – S Craig Dahl, St. Louis Rams
    3/19 – K Phil Dawson, Cleveland
    3/19 – WR Marlon Moore, Miami
    4/2 – CB Nnamdi Asomugha, Philadelphia
    4/18 – TE Cameron Morrah, Seattle

    Free Agents Lost:

    3/12 – NT Isaac Sopoaga, Philadelphia
    3/12 – TE Delanie Walker, Tennessee
    3/13 – S Dashon Goldson, Tampa Bay
    3/14 – DT Ricky-Jean Francois, Indianapolis
    3/22 – WR-KR Ted Ginn Jr., Carolina

    Trades:

    3/11 – 49ers’ 2013 No. 6 (199) draft choice to Baltimore Ravens for WR Anquan Boldin.
    3/12 – QB Alex Smith to Kansas City for 2013 No. 2 (34, see below) draft choice and conditional 2014 No. X (—) draft choice.
    4/1 – 49ers’ No. 5 (164) and Bengals’ No. 7 (227) draft choices to Cleveland for QB Colt McCoy and Eagles’ No. 6 (173, see below) choice.
    4/25 – 49ers’ 2013 No. 1 (31) and Panthers’ No. 3 (74) draft choices to Dallas for Cowboys’ 2013 No. 1 choice (18, S Eric Reid).
    4/26 – Chiefs’ 2013 No. 2 draft choice (34, obtained for Alex Smith) traded to Tennessee for Titans’ No. 2 (40, DE Tank Carradine), No. 7 (216, see below) and 2014 No. 3 choice.
    4/26 – 49ers’ 2013 No. 2 (63) and Eagles’ 6 (173) draft choices to Green Bay for Packers’ No. 2 (55, TE Vance McDonald).
    4/26 – 49ers’ 2013 No. 3 (93) and Titans’ No. 7 (216) choices to Green Bay for Packers’ No. 3 choice (88, DE Corey Lemonier).

    Draft:

    1 – 18 – (18) – Eric Reid – LSU – S *Choice from Dallas
    2 – 8 – (40) – Cornelius “Tank” Carradine – Florida State – DE *Choice from Tennessee
    2 – 23 – (55) – Vance McDonald – Rice – TE *Choice from Green Bay
    3 – 26 – (88) – Corey Lemonier – Auburn – DE-OLB *Choice from Green Bay
    4 – 31 – (128) – Quinton Patton – Louisiana Tech – WR
    4 – 34 – (131) – Marcus Lattimore – South Carolina – RB #Compensatory Selection
    5 – 24 – (157) – Quinton Dial – Alabama – DE *Choice from Indianapolis
    6 – 12 – (180) – Nick Moody – OLB – Florida *Choice from Miami
    7 – 31 – (237) – B. J. Daniels – South Florida – QB
    7 – 40 – (246) – Carter Bykowski – Iowa State – OT #Compensatory Selection
    7 – 46 – (252) – Marcus Cooper – Rutgers – CB #Compensatory Selection

    Undrafted Free Agents Signed:

    4/27 – Lawrence Okoye – (Great Britain) – DE
    4/27 – Luke Marquardt – Azusa Pacific – OT
    4/27 – MarQueis Gray – Minnesota – QB
    4/27 – Alex Debniak – Stanford – FB
    4/27 – Chuck Jacobs, Utah State – WR
    4/27 – Patrick Omameh – Michigan – G
    4/27 – Sherman Carter – Tennessee State – C
    4/27 – Darryl Morris – Texas State – CB
    4/27 – Kevin McDermott – UCLA – LS
    4/27 – Mike Purcell – Wyoming – DT
    4/27 – D.J. Harper – Boise State – RB

  8. JDR says:

    The Rolling Stones? Are they the one that had Ringo? I think my grandma might have seen them. jk.
    I really don’t see Daniels as anything more than a practice squad player, especially when they pretty much said on draft day that they don’t see him as a full-time QB. If Harbaugh had a problem with west coast style QBs he wouldn’t have signed Colt McCoy as the #2. I’m guessing Fangio will keep a bit of the old Smith package and have something on hand for McCoy and Tolzien to run should they be needed in the regular season.
    I’m very psyched about the Lattimore pick. As bad as the injury was, we’ve seen guys like Bush and McGahee come out strong as ever after taking a year off. There’s definitely something to giving a player the knowledge that they have a full season to heal up, keeps them from pushing too hard on the rehab. Okoye could make the roster as a special teams player, particularly on the field goal team where that huge vertical will come into play.

  9. unca_chuck says:

    Sheesh. Not very thorough, Grumpy . . .

    Very nice, by the way. Thanks for doing this. I hadn’t seen the full UDFA signging list. Okoye and Marquart have a real shot of sticking around.

    Seeing as RJF, Soap, Goldson, and Walker were farily important players in 2012 (not even including Ginn), it looks as if the Niners would get the maximum 4 compensatory picks in next year’s draft.

    14 picks.

  10. NoFear49er says:

    Grumpy’s all over it. WTF?! When did all that happen? A couple of trips to the VA and you find yourself having to re-associate the terrain features.

    Thanks for the study guide, Grumpy. I think I’ll print it and stick it on the message board, right over the honey-do list.

    An embarrasment of riches, no doubt.

  11. Del Mar Dennis says:

    I find it just a tad ironic and a tad bit more amusing that we signed Dahl on 3/16.

    Are we to believe that God so loved the Niners, that he gave his only begotten Safety, that whosoever believeth in Dahl should not per(r)ish (Cox), but have a die hard life?

  12. rtfirefly2 says:

    “I never say never”.
    Good thing that’s the Lions’ GM and not me.
    I said that to a gal once.
    I think I’m still trying to get the blisters off from the yardwork and roof repairs.
    SI ranks the Niners’ draft A+.
    I trust them as much as I do a New Mexico Horsefly.
    Still more fun than the Jets or Boys.

  13. snarkk says:

    Tebow gets cut from the Jets and there is now even MORE media bullshit surrounding this guy. When will it ever end? I’ve given up trying to figure this out. You have REAL, quality young QBs like Kaep and Wilson doing great things, yet the media follows this guy around, a pseudo QB who can barely throw a spiral, like he’s the Pied Piper. There must be money in it, because I don’t see any other reason for this nonsense. He should go to the CFL and see if he can be a QB up there. I doubt it, but maybe he’d end up on page 2 instead of page 1 so I don’t have to see him…

  14. Alleykat says:

    Daniels should always has a chance to stick as long as he brings Jack with him.

  15. snarkk says:

    This Okoye guy is a specimen. Has thighs like tree trunks. He doesn’t even know how to put pads on. Bright guy, though, heard him on a KNBR interview. Give him a year with Tomsula, and see what happens in 2014. Discuss guys are very nimble and quick, but he’ll need to develop technique and cardo; the possibilities are intriguing…

  16. rtfirefly2 says:

    Chuck, just to attempt to prevent future arguments about the nature of:
    “Rex Ryan tried to call Mark Sanchez to tell him they released Tebow but Sanchez could not find the receiver.”
    A guy posting as John wrote that. It got Internet post of the day there.
    I just copied it, but I believe I mentioned my source as best I know.
    “Rex Ryan tried to call Mark Sanchez to tell him they released Tebow but Sanchez could not find the receiver.”

    Oops, I posted John’s joke again. Tim Tebow is going as far as he possibly can from New York, and you have Mark Sanchez. Or is it Geno Smith? Will we get to watch this on TV?

  17. unca_chuck says:

    It was actually kinda funny watching the draft. Between Dallas and the Jets, it was high comedy.

    Everyone was saying the Jets would pretty much cause global warming with all the hot air that would follow if they signed Geeno Smitho. Of course they did, and with that had 6 QBs on their roster (and 5 offensive linemen). They need so many things and they draft another QB? A QB that is a work in progress? Brilliant.

    To add insult to senility, Tebow gets released after every team has drafted and won’t be signing anyone any time soon. Say what you wil about the guy, he sure got fucked over by the Jets for no apparent reason other than the stupidity of the owner and the previous GM.

    • NoFear49er says:

      Jets still needed a QB. Tebow wasn’t going to be ‘the guy’ in a drop back passing offense anyway. Now they may have a running game and a QB of the future. And Tebow is better off, too. Some ‘option offense’ can do well with a guy like Tebow.

      • JDR says:

        The option offense only really works in the NFL when you have to worry about the QB burning you with his arm. Against Tebow they could load up the box, put the receivers in single coverage, and tee off on the poor kid all day long. Maybe he’d do well in the arena league where the guys play both ways and are a bit smaller.

      • NoFear49er says:

        Not so. The option works because it forces the defense to account for an extra rusher not the threat of passing deep. The DE is always wrong whether he chooses to defend against the RB or the QB (run, not pass). The pitch is another option threat, no big arm needed there. Tebow is as big a rushing threat as there is in the league. He’d love to play against your proposed defense.

      • JDR says:

        My proposed defense uses NFL linebackers and DBs. Tebow has shown consistently that his style of play breaks down when facing NFL talent. One big reason the option has not extended into the NFL is because of the speed of the linebackers and DBs. The pitch off the HB becomes much less effective when Patrick Willis is waiting to drill the guy. Kaepernick and RGIII are able to run the read option in a very limited capacity because defenses have to sit back to account for the pass. With Tebow you can all but eliminate that as he’s proven to be highly ineffective through the air.

    • NJ49er says:

      NYJ and Jerruh. A study in Roster Building.
      Idzik vs. Dipschtik.

      Jerruh lives for the spotlight to feed his ego.
      The NYJ scream to be recognized, rather than being relevant.

      Talent evaluation?
      What’s that?

    • NJ49er says:

      Tannenbaum guaranteed Sanchez $8+Mil for sucking at his job.
      Jerruh extends Promo a Kings’ Ransom for 1 career Playoff win, then criticizes his work effort?
      You pay him like Peyton Manning then expect him to perform like him?
      Jerruh attends the opening of the Bush Library, according reports, while every other GM in the League was likely working the phones for Draft opportunities.
      High comedy.
      Priceless.

      The only reason Promo got extended was to recoup Cap space, after he got caught manipulating the Cap and, being penalized for it.
      What a douche.

      But yeh, let’s get the ‘Boys on Primetime TV as often as possible.
      They suck but, Jerruh loves the spotlight.

  18. unca_chuck says:

    He and Montana can hook up in Canada.

  19. rtfirefly2 says:

    At least Tim could compete in the AFL against Nate Davis.
    Dennis is taking bets now.
    Competing on the Jets is like trying to do the Mambo with an elephant dancing on your head.
    (I love to mix metaphors as much as Rex loves to shuffle QBs hoping someday one might save his Arse).

  20. Del Mar Dennis says:

    Geno Smith fired his agents today because he wasn’t a top 10 pick or possibly even the first pick overall. He needs to fire his parents for giving him the DNA that has made him the one dumb motherfucker with expectations and rationalizations such as that. The NY media is going to eat him alive. I hope Geno has a good therapist.

    • NJ49er says:

      It’s just the precursor to the Red Nose and Clown Shoes that he’ll receive with his first NYJ jersey Del.
      He comes predisposed to media controversy with this move to fire his Agents.
      What’s next?
      Sue Andy Reid for not Drafting him 1st overall?

      The NYJ live to create controversy.
      Sorry Folks, Park’s closed. Moose out front shoulda told ya.

      • NoFear49er says:

        Haha! It’s just the last stop on the Holiday Road.

      • NJ49er says:

        Wally World has been replaced.
        The NYJ.
        Americas Favorite Fun Park.

      • NJ49er says:

        Woody Johnson has apparently replaced Roy Walley

      • NJ49er says:

        Mike Tannebaum has taken the place of Imogene Coca as the dead body strapped to the roof.

      • NJ49er says:

        The Biggest Ball of Twine attraction has been replaced with Mark Sanchez and the Butt Fumble.

      • NoFear49er says:

        Yeah, poor aunt Edna. Left out in the rain dead in Phoenix (sounds like a Warren Zevon tune). Or was that Tebow. Rex has to be cousin Eddie. Well, it’s all good, Dancin’ Across the USA.

      • NJ49er says:

        More like the auto mechanic after Clark drives the Family Truckster off the road.
        ‘How much do I owe you?’
        ‘How much you got?’

    • NJ49er says:

      You got it NoFear49er.
      A classic if ever there was one.

      Maybe Wrecks and the Jets are driving the Family Truckster through the backyards of the NFL asleep at the wheel?

  21. NoFear49er says:

    Saigon fell this date 1975.

    And some younguns with their heads screwed on straight.

    • NJ49er says:

      Hard to believe we’re closing in on 40 years NoFear49er.
      Hoo Agh to the Red White and Blue

    • NJ49er says:

      Or as I’ve heard it explained –
      H.U.A.
      Heard
      Understood
      Acknowledged

      Correct me if I’m wrong -

      • NoFear49er says:

        Hey NJ49er, I believe you got it right. I think that’s the way they put it out nowadays to the ‘cruits.

        Didn’t do the hooah thing in my day, Al Pacino’s portrayal notwithstanding. I think it was a Ranger thing though until big Army started using it and the Rangers let it go. Esprit de corps is the intent anyway.

      • NJ49er says:

        Well the confusion started for me mostly as a result of Pacino/Scent of a Woman to be honest.
        Had a HS buddy who’s older Brother enlisted and served in Nam.
        Through him I heard the H.U.A. explanation.

        I guess with the advent of the typed messaging and internet, along with Pacino, it’s taken on a multiple of variations and spellings.

        I bought the original way it was explained to me.
        Sounded extremely Military and, made the most sense.

        Thanks for the confirmation however.

      • NJ49er says:

        Did have some early debate about another variation that made sense also.
        Heard
        Understood
        Affirmative

      • NoFear49er says:

        I think it’s morphed into a catch-all affirmative reply. Maybe “hooah, sir” to an ossifer. Pretty much like “roger” or “roger that.” I’ve heard it used as a derisive name, too, as in “fuckin’ hooahs.” Which used to mean gung-ho Rangers now can be a pejorative term for Army troops in general I guess. Hey, who can keep up?

      • NJ49er says:

        Seriously.
        I’ll have to bring it up with my neighbors’ Son when he returns States side.
        He’s current USMC.
        See what the 20-somethings have to say about it.

  22. unca_chuck says:

    All I know is fubar and snafu . . .

    And a little about gremlins . . .

  23. rtfirefly2 says:

    NoFear, Saigon falling was a long, long time ago.
    My childhood best friend started a pool at the public HS on which day it would become official.
    He nearly got kicked out. He’s now a retired Fox Exec movie producer with a zillion dollar mansion in Pacific Palisades.
    My Dad was spending half his life on planes between The Pentagon and Houston.
    My oldest brother was doing his best to dodge the draft and organize protests. He’s still trying to retire from NATO now after decades of work and a couple trips to that A place in Asia.
    A long, long time ago. Lots of water under the bridge.
    My friend now needed a ride to the hospital to check on his Old Mum, who had to go to emergency this morning.
    And I’ve been flirting like crazy with on old girlfriend. She is a former model from Ole Miss with a Master’s degree. She still won’t tell me if she’s still married – but TWO can play at that game!
    I really could not make this shit up.
    I honor the brave men and women every day who risk everything to make the world a better place.
    I try to bury the dead, cry a couple real tears and move on. Others need help, too.

  24. rtfirefly2 says:

    Susan really liked the poem, Dennis. I’d forgotten it, as had she.
    I owe you some points in FF. Three or four touchdowns maybe.
    Has rookie camp started yet?

    • Del Mar Dennis says:

      We haven’t even run the Kentucky Derby yet and you’re talking fantasy football. My horses don’t need any more carts in front of them. They have enough obstacles as it is. I’ll let you know well in advance when it’s time. Just in time to pound Reno into submission.

  25. Del Mar Dennis says:

    I was comment #49. I’ll take that as a sign of good things to come for the horses this weekend. 4-9 exacta box? They’re drawing post positions at the top of the hour. We’ll see who it is…

  26. unca_chuck says:

    Little Nipper and Dennis’ Delight . . .

    The world may be ending . . .

    • rtfirefly2 says:

      I thought that this morning. Landlord is over, cops are over, ambulance…
      Not because of me, mind you. That would be a “neighhhhhh, burr”.
      That’s not counting my friend’s Mom! She’ll be OK I hope.
      I’d bring her flowers but, New Mexico flowers are quite illegal. I’ll have to figure out how to order some roses from CA.
      Miles to go before I sleep, baby, Miles to go.

      • JDR says:

        1800flowers.com lets you order deliveries from local florists. Have used them a few times for out of state friends and family.

  27. rtfirefly2 says:

    Cool, JDR. Way cool.

  28. unca_chuck says:

    Nice clip there RTF . . . good stuff.

  29. unca_chuck says:

    New thread is up

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